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Requested move 17 June 2015[edit]

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The result of the move request was: Move. Clear consensus that this is the primary topic of the lower-cased variant of the term. Cúchullain t/c 16:45, 26 June 2015 (UTC)

– The device is in lower case, and the band Iron Maiden named themselves after it. If it was the band that needed disambiguating then maybe it could be argued that capital letters weren't enough for that, but this is in lower case, so surely (lack of) capitals can suffice here. Unreal7 (talk) 15:47, 17 June 2015 (UTC)

  • Strong support I'm surprised this isn't the status quo. It seems to be the only usage that can be referred to with this capitalization. Whether or not we could call it a primary topic, WP:DIFFCAPS applies. --BDD (talk) 17:18, 17 June 2015 (UTC)
  • Support: makes utter sense. Best, FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 02:47, 18 June 2015 (UTC)
  • Support I think the device is the primary topic overtop the band anyways. -- (talk) 04:19, 18 June 2015 (UTC)
  • Support. Well spotted by nom. Egsan Bacon (talk) 16:16, 18 June 2015 (UTC)
  • Question, what exactly has changed since the previous requested move? ~Mable (chat) 16:41, 18 June 2015 (UTC)
    • WP:DIFFCAPS didn't exist eight years ago, right? Red Slash 19:12, 18 June 2015 (UTC)
    • Consensus, apparently. bd2412 T 17:03, 18 June 2015 (UTC)
  • Support per WP:DIFFCAPS. bd2412 T 17:03, 18 June 2015 (UTC)
  • Support per WP:DIFFCAPS Red Slash 19:11, 18 June 2015 (UTC)
  • Oppose - per WP:ASTONISH, and the considerable number of opposes in the 2007 move request above. The band are far more well known than the torture device, and the lower case should be a redirect to the upper case. WP:DIFFCAPS very clearly does not apply in this case, because of the clause "This form of disambiguation may not be sufficient if one article is far more significant on an encyclopedic level or far more likely to be searched for than the other".  — Amakuru (talk) 12:17, 25 June 2015 (UTC)
  • Support. I don't think the band is the primary topic anyway, but in any case Iron maiden doesn't redirect there anyway, it goes to the DAB page. Readers searching on "iron maiden" aren't going to go to the band's page in any event. As between this article and the other articles on the DAB page (I say even including the band, although I recognize that's debatable), this article is clearly the primary. TJRC (talk) 17:53, 25 June 2015 (UTC)
  • I suppose that the iron maiden article will have something along the lines of "For the band, see Iron Maiden, for other uses, see iron maiden (disambiguation)" at the top of the article? I have to agree that the band is what a lot of people will be searching for instead, though I can't make up my mind on what the article titles should be. ~Mable (chat) 18:00, 25 June 2015 (UTC)
I think it's sufficient to have the hatnote {{about|the torture device}}, which, after the move, will render as:
This article is about the torture device. For other uses, see Iron maiden (disambiguation).
Readers looking for the band will find it on the dab page. However, if that's deemed insufficient, you can always instead use {{about|the torture device|the band|Iron Maiden|other uses|Iron maiden (disambiguation)}}, which will render as:
This article is about the torture device. For the band, see Iron Maiden. For other uses, see Iron maiden (disambiguation).
TJRC (talk) 18:53, 25 June 2015 (UTC)
As I said, I'd rather have the latter, as the band will be looked for awfully often, and we'd want to make getting there as easy as possible for that reason. ~Mable (chat) 20:30, 25 June 2015 (UTC)
But don't forget the capital M for disambig page. Unreal7 (talk) 00:25, 26 June 2015 (UTC)
Should the disambiguation page have a capital M? I don't think it does? If I'm not mistaken, disambiguation pages always have lower-cased words (besides the first), at least if it is not specifically a name. "Maiden" is a word, and therefore shouldn't be capitalized unless it is disambiguated. Right? ~Mable (chat) 13:25, 26 June 2015 (UTC)
Surprisingly, WP:DABNAME doesn't mention that, though perhaps BD2412 can enlighten us on the usual practice. My hunch is that it doesn't matter a great deal, but uppercase would probably be better since the torture device is the only use that would really be uncapitalized. --BDD (talk) 15:18, 26 June 2015 (UTC)
My impression is that we use the lowercase unless all meanings are capitalized. bd2412 T 15:38, 26 June 2015 (UTC)

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Other torture devices in picture[edit]

These other devices/implements don't seem to be explained anywhere. Is it worth documenting them perhaps? Presumably on another page, or the main page for this. If so, does anyone or any web page have this information?

2A02:C7D:CA00:B200:F017:6C50:F1D3:D62D (talk) 17:44, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

The most poorly written article I have ever read.[edit]

It seems as if this article has been confusing people for over 4 years! Someone please fix the history of this device, as it is incredibly confusing. Apparently there are 2 different origins for the Iron Maiden. From Siebenkees' Wiki page: "Siebenkees studied theology, philosophy, and philology at University of Altdorf. In 1791 he became associate professor of philosophy there, and a full professor of languages in 1795. He also taught archeology. It has been suggested that he was responsible for the invention of the iron maiden during this period." Yet this page states that: "The iron maiden is uniquely a Germanic invention, originated in the town of Nuremberg at some point in the high-middle ages (the period with which it is associated[1]); probably in the 14th century." I'm so confused... — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 0:25, 6 September 2016‎ (UTC)

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Since the iron maiden is a fictional torture device, I put that in the intro. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 16:44, 30 July 2017 (UTC)