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Orphaned references in Jamaica[edit]

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Jamaica's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "cia":

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT 11:50, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

Emigration[edit]

This article describes high emigration from Jamaica to metropolitan centres abroad, then lists The Bahamas as having similarly high levels of emigration.

This is false. The Bahamas has high net immigration (among the highest in the world) and virtually no economic emigration to other countries. This is why it enjoys visa free travel to virtually all developed countries.

No mention is made of Jamaican immigration to The Bahamas, which is high. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Robblaten (talkcontribs) 16:28, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

EDIT REQUEST - SPORTS[edit]

Cricket is NOT the most popular sport in Jamaica (http://www.jamaicans.com/culture/sports/index.shtml) - it was "once the most popular sport in Jamaica." Those days are long gone.

Football (soccer) is the most popular sport in Jamaica (http://wiki.jamaicans.com/index.php/Category:Sports_in_Jamaica) followed by athletics/track&field.

Cricket is a distant third. Even the site that is referenced no longer claims that cricket is the most popular sport (although it incorrectly claims that cricket is the second most popular sport). http://www.my-island-jamaica.com/sports_played_in_jamaica.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dkduggan (talkcontribs) 19:44, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from , 13 October 2011[edit]

the reason why i want to edit this page is the fact you have the percentage of racial diversity wrong it is actually 85.2% afo jamaica,10.2% afro caucasian,2.1 afroindian, 1.1 indian,1.1 chinese and 0.2 others


Ryan mccalla (talk) 03:17, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

  • Not done for now: Please provide a source to support the change you are requesting. Monty845 15:46, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

Edit request on 12 December 2011[edit]

Please remove the claim in the second paragraph of the article that Jamaica is the third most populous anglophone country behind the US and Canada because it is blatantly incorrect. England, for example, has a population at least 25 times that of Jamaica.

129.133.198.192 (talk) 23:28, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

Not done: It says "third most populous anglophone country in the Americas". I'm pretty sure England isn't part of the Americas?--Hazel77 talk 23:48, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

Edit request on 20 December 2011[edit]

As a Jamaican and former student of advanced history there are details that have not been mentioned and various areas could be expounded upon.

  • For example where transportation is mentioned I think there could have been some mention of the 'Kendal Tragedy of 1957' which is of historical significance , which explains why the railway system became unused until the recent introduction of limited transportation in April 2011. [I could provide you with the info and reference if necessary]
  • Additionally where the weather and major hurricanes were mentioned, there should have been mention of the 'Port Royal Earthquake of 1692' and the '1907 Earthquake' which were major historical events. Geographically, Jamaica lies on a stretch of plates that are connected to the Caribbean Plate, hence we have experienced major seismic activities. There ought to be more details about Jamaica's geography i.e. land terrain, info on the plains, mountains, and rivers in Jamaica (most of which have Spanish names due to previous Spanish colonization).
  • Where tourism and bauxite is mentioned, there should also be some info on cattle breeding in Jamaica which was a significant area I touched on whilst studying. This led to the development of Jamaican hybrids such as the Jamaican Brahmin, Red and Black which have been dubbed some of the finest sources of beef in the world and have been reared in other parts of the Caribbean and Latin countries.
  • Under culture there should also be an entire section on the music and art forms i.e. the traditional dances and there roots e.g. bruckins, kumina, pole dance/may pole etc.; jonkunu; evolution of the music from the days of ska and mento right up to reggae and dancehall. The birth of poems influenced by our colonial past.
  • Also under the section which mentions our ethnic origins, I believe Igbe should be removed. Most of our Afro people came from West Africa but predominantly from Ghana (Akan, Dahomey and Asante tribes). A small amount came from Senegal and Ivory Coast.
  • Under history, the genocide of the Tainos by the Spaniards should be mentioned, after all, they are our first settlers and this was a major part of our history. This is also partly why there is barely any remnants of them today and why Africans were introduced.
  • Also where indentureship was mentioned, there were NOT only Chinese and Indians. There were White indentured labourers who were Irish/Scottish/German and Europeans (hence the large number of mulattoes in places such as St. Elizabeth).
  • More details should be given about our local diet and the food in general(origins/cultural influence), as Jamaican cuisine is popular worldwide and is particularly embraced by the British society. Mention the national dish and the origins of ackee. Also mention foods that are extremely popular worldwide e.g. festival, escoveitched fish, oxtail , rice and peas, stewed peas,coconut pastries (drops, gizzada, grater cake), 'blue draws'. We are not only famed for the coffee and jerk seasoning but also our rum. * pictorial illustrations could be added*

I can provide accurate/credible info and references.


JamaicanGirl89 (talk) 09:37, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

This cannot be handled as an "Edit request", since you have not explained exactly what needs to be changed and have not provided the sources. I suggest you make another eight edits, and then you will automatically be given "autoconfirmed" status and be able to begin editing the article yourself. If you can't think of eight useful edits to make, I suggest you click one of the links at Wikipedia:Lists of common misspellings/P and fix a few spelling mistakes. -- John of Reading (talk) 16:45, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

Monarchy VS. Independance of 1962[edit]

I believe at a minimum, a source for the "independence in 1962" is required. In my research, I've located their highest political figure as Queen Elizabeth II, and a Prime Minister (Jamaican) coming in 2nd. There must be more emphasis on this relationship.. as it is not easy to determine the ruler of this island.

Twillisjr (talk) 18:36, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Added Monarchy of Jamaica http://www.royal.gov.uk/monarchandcommonwealth/jamaica/jamaica.aspx and http://www.jis.gov.jm/special_sections/Independence/symbols.html as sources to further assist Wikipedians in this confusion.

Twillisjr (talk) 18:47, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Jamaica doesn't have a "ruler", it's a parliamentary democracy. Try reading that article, Commonwealth of nations and Jamaica#Government_and_politics for an explanation. BastunĖġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 14:23, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
Hold on, how can you say it is a parliamentary democracy - who elected the Queen? Is she an MP? 86.41.2.94 (talk) 13:55, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

Twillisjr, according to that source, it is the exact same conditions of that of Australia for example. In other words there is no independence of 1962, especially if it hasn't been sourced on this page. Independence implies that they are self-governing without foreign representation. This country is still of the crown but with self-government in place. Savvyjack23 (talk) 04:01, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

All of the Commonwealth countries, including Jamaica and Australia, are completely independent of the UK. Some of those commonwealths, such as India, are republics The others are commonwealth realms, meaning that they share a monarch with the UK and each other, but they are still independent of the UK. Jamaica can chose to become a republic by ammending its constitution,and get rid of the Queen without UK approval. In fact, they are considering doing just that. - BilCat (talk) 05:39, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

Edit request on 31 January 2012[edit]

Just a grammatical error:

When the Spanish arrive in 1494

should be

When the Spanish arrived in 1494

Umop (talk) 06:47, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

 Done Thanks. Dru of Id (talk) 07:07, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

Edit request: clarifying a generalisation[edit]

Under

Geography and environment > Flora and fauna

Please change

"The Jamaican animal life... Lizards such as Anoles, Iguanas and snakes such as racers and the Jamaican Boa (the largest snake on the island) are common."

to "The Jamaican animal life... Lizards such as Anoles, Iguanas and snakes such as racers and the Jamaican Boa (the largest snake on the island) are common *in some areas such as the Cockpit Country*."

Reason: Iguanas and snakes etc are only found in some rural parts of Jamaica as noted in the referenced article footnote '42' which is about the 'Cockpit Country' not the whole island. [1]

Thank you. SEM2012 (talk) 22:53, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

References

Edit request on 23 July 2012[edit]

An addition should me made in the Religion section to reflect the 5,449 members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints living in Jamaica.

sourced: http://www.mormonnewsroom.org/facts-and-statistics/country/jamaica/ Thesaent (talk) 00:42, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

 Done--Canoe1967 (talk) 00:58, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 1 August 2012[edit]

Christianity is the largest religion practised in Jamaica, but it has an "island flavor" that some continental Christians might not recognize or approve of. "For example, Jamaican women, Christian and otherwise, often have more than one child from more than one father before settling down to traditional marriage". This is not a religious practice in Jamaica or any country in this world, this is very insulting.


Sonjie11 (talk) 03:28, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed. RudolfRed (talk) 04:40, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

Prime Minister[edit]

The intoduction states that the "Prime Minister of Jamaica... holds full legislative power of the country". Surely that is wrong? Parliament is the legislative body surely? Unless she is a dictator? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.42.42.39 (talk) 19:31, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

Last Sentence of Religion Section[edit]

The closing sentence of the section on religion is bewildering at best:

"These numbers reflect the fact that general Jamaican culture does not lend itself much to fundamentalist approaches to religion and life."

What does this mean exactly? There is no mention of fundamentalism elsewhere in the article--or in the focus article on Religion in Jamaica for that matter. Moreover, it is unclear what, if anything, "these numbers" have to do with the presence or absence of fundamentalism. Reading quickly, it looks like a jab at the two religious groups last listed.

If someone is attached to this sentence and can clarify it, please do so. If not, I will probably just delete it in a couple of days, unless someone beats me to it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tom Allen (talkcontribs) 03:33, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 17 August 2012[edit]

Please add this picture of the Jamaican High Commission in London, located at 1 Prince Consort Road London SW7 2BZ, United Kingdom, to the 'Government and politics' of the Jamaica Wikipedia entry.

Link: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:The_Jamaican_High_Commission_in_London.jpg

Araymore (talk) 17:04, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

 Done but not by me; I am only closing the edit request. —KuyaBriBriTalk 15:56, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 21 August 2012[edit]

Please change the official language to just English. Spanish is not an official language, I know it was spoken by a large majority in the 1800 but it is no longer. English is our ONLY official language, get it right. JamaicanMD (talk) 17:04, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

I know nothing about Jamaica, but the language shouldn't say "Patois" on its own. It has to say "Jamaican Patois", otherwise it's meaningless, since a "patois" is a type of language.

Is Jamaican patois used on official forms and in official correspondence, or do they use English?

--72.51.87.156 (talk) 19:10, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

Standard English is used everywhere, in law, in administration, and the media. Patois is a vernacular spoken variation used in casual conversation. Some effort is made, especially by academics, to find a written patois, but success is elusive. Santamoly (talk) 05:44, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

the national flower and national tree are mixed up.[edit]

the national flower and national tree are mixed up. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.5.35.61 (talk) 02:50, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

According to this page by the Jamaican Information Service, and this one by the National Library of Jamaica, the national flower is the Lignum vitae, and the national tree is the Blue Mahoe. This is what is listed in the National symbols section of this article. Do you have reliable sources that dispute this? - BilCat (talk) 03:15, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

Jamaica: "Irish English"?[edit]

I've requested a citation for the dubious statement "Some archaic features are reminiscent of Irish English", and if nothing appears in a week, I'll just delete the entire sentence. Santamoly (talk) 09:03, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

Crime[edit]

I am requesting that the phrase, " prompting human-rights groups to call Jamaica "the most homophobic place on earth," be removed. Firstly, Tim Padgett's hyperbolically titled article, "The Most Homophobic Place on Earth?" is listed as a reference to back up the statement. Yet, if you read the article,it does not say human rights groups have called the country that. He refers to a US official, Rebecca Schleifer of a US-Based Human Rights Group, who states that Jamaica is "the worst any of us have ever seen." There is no reference to a global study that ranks Jamaica as the most homophobic place on earth. This Padgett article has been over-used and over-interpreted in the conversations about LGBT rights in Jamaica, and the statement about the country being the most homophobic place on earth has been repeated over and over. Many, including local gay rights activists have since rejected this label, though homophobia continues to be a problem.

I do not think Wikipedia's informative purpose is served by reliance on that hyperbolic, subjective and very untrue description, made popular by Tim Padgett's Time magazine article. It is important to always avoid hyperbole and be nuanced when dealing with sensitive issues like these. I also think that hyperbole does not serve the interests of LGBT people in Jamaica.

I do hope that this edit can be made.

Thanks.Mandisa Morgan (talk) 22:25, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

Agree. Certain activists/interested parties seemed to have made rounds on all articles a few years ago and gave undue weight to the topic of homophobia in Jamaica and Jamaican music which had to be pared down on a number of articles. That statement does reek of hyperbole, and Jamaica is hardly unique in the Caribbean for having anti-homosexual laws on the books, though I'm not opposed to a mention in a general sense.--Chimino (talk) 23:03, 17 September 2013 (UTC)
FWIW, Jamaica's "Offences Against the Person Act" is not "anti-homosexual", it's anti-buggery. The law says, in part, "Whosoever shall be convicted of the abominable crime of buggery, committed either with mankind or with any animal . . .". It's nothing to do with homosexuality but focuses on buggery which is often harmful to humans, male or female, as well as livestock. Female persons, of course, are not equipped to bugger other creatures. The Jamaican law is focused on assaults against persons and livestock; it's not focused on homosexuality. Santamoly (talk) 08:41, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

Edit request on 20 September 2013[edit]

The fifth line of the document indicates that "Jamaica is the fifth-largest island country in the Caribbean." This is incorrect! If Jamaica is the third largest Island (which is correct)and the second largest island (Hispaniola), comprises two larger Countries(Dominican Republic and Haiti). Then, it stands to reason that Jamaica would be the fourth largest island country(following behind 1.Cuba, 2. Dominican Republic, and 3. Haiti.)

Therefore, the document should read; "Jamaica is the fourth largest country in the Caribbean behind Cuba, the Dominican Republic, and Haiti."

Writing it this way will also avoid ambiguity. Puerto Rico would be the fifth largest country and fourth largest island.

Please make this change as soon as possible. Ragamuff01 (talk) 19:51, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

Not done:. The article means it has the fifth largest population, it doesn't mean fifth largest in square miles. RudolfRed (talk) 01:24, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 06 Febuary 2014[edit]

From the article: "Independence, however widely celebrated in Jamaica, has in more recent years been a topic for discussion. In 2011, a survey done showed that approximately 60% of Jamaicans would push to once again become a British territory; citing years of social and fiscal mismanagement in the country."

There's no source for this, I was going to add a "citation needed" but I'm not allowed ;_;

Done. --Anon126 (talk - contribs) 16:46, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

Tourism in Jamaica[edit]

Hi! It would be great if you could create this article: Tourism in Jamaica!

Perhaps you can draw some inspiration from Tourism in Brazil. :) Thanks & all the best, Horst-schlaemma (talk) 15:43, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

YES, I agree that Tourism in Jamaica would be a wonderful topic! It is a hot tourist destination, and many tourists do their "research" before planning a trip out. Perhaps the Tourism place could have the tourist hot spots in each of the 14 parishes. Pcvjamaica (talk) 03:07, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

Edit request: politics section[edit]

"However, there are several minor parties, whom have yet to gain a seat in Parliament; ... "

The word "whom" should be "who". It's the subject of the verb "have", and should be in the subject (nominative) case. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.68.134.1 (talk) 13:46, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

Jamaica never had the one drop of Black blood slave master rule as in the United States. We have have Black which is around 90% of Population and Brown( people of noticeably mix of European and African and many cases of Asian mix also. f you research Jamaican history "Brown"/"Colored" (6.1-7.0%) has their own identity in Jamaican history. To lump Black and Brown/Mulatto Jamaican into one category is false, our history can prove your fallacy. Research and correct the demographics instead of putting what sounds nice to you. The rest of the Caribbean and Latin neighbors have their racial group separated for distinctions. In fact many Brown(Quadroons) owned slaves in Jamaica and was just as bad as their White fathers. In addition, these Brown people also received preferential treatment in Jamaican society while the pure Africans were looked down upon.We are not Americans, but West Indians. The author who input this data is clearly bias. Prove this data wrong! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Creolehombre2 (talkcontribs) 18:43, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

prehistory[edit]

Please can the subtitle prehistory be replaced on this page. it is a redundant and colonial term implying Jamaica had no history prior to colonisation

 Jodie rees (talk) 02:46, 22 November 2014 (UTC)
Not done. The term implies nothing of the sort. See our article on the subject for more information. IgnorantArmies 12:21, 22 November 2014 (UTC)

Grammar correction needed[edit]

Someone else already said this, but edit request has been ignored. Last sentence of "Government and Politics". The word "whom" is grammatically incorrect here. The correct word is "who". Box345 (talk) 11:12, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

 Done Thanks, IgnorantArmies 12:51, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

Edit request[edit]

The natonal language of Jamaica is English, not patois. I am a Jamaican student and have learnt that it is English. Thanks. HorseHeadMask (talk) 23:21, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

The official language is English. A national language is a commonly spoken language that may not have official status. In Jamaica, that is Patois. It doesn't mean national in the sense of a national bird or flower, as those are official. - BilCat (talk) 04:12, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
"A national language is a commonly spoken language that may not have official status." Do you have a source for this statement? It has a vaguely home-made feel to it, so it would be nice to have some clarity. FWIW, Jamaican patois is irregular and undocumented; it's entirely verbal. English is written and spoken everywhere, in the media, in schools, in the courts, and in business. It's very difficult to find somewhere in Jamaica that English cannot be used. Santamoly (talk) 06:28, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
The comments were in regard to the "national language" field in Template:Infobox country. I was paraphrasing the template notes, which state, "Country/territory-wide languages recognised but not necessarily in country/territory-wide law, etc", hence what you called "a vaguely home-made feel". For "Official languages", it states "Languages recognised in legislation, constitution, etc". And no, Patois is not "entirely verbal", as documented in Jamaican Patois. They are even publishing Bibles in Patois now. - BilCat (talk) 06:50, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
"They are even publishing Bibles in Patois now." Bwoy, mi nevah see such a ting yet. But mek ah tell yu dat when unu see such a ting, unu mus bring it come. Santamoly (talk) 04:56, 6 June 2016 (UTC)
A tru ting dat, man. Di Jamiekan Nyuu Testiment: Jamaican New Testament Kindle Edition. - BilCat (talk) 05:26, 6 June 2016 (UTC)

Foreign Aid in Jamaica[edit]

I suggest that a topic on Foreign Aid in Jamaica be started. Jamaica is a nation that is not only heavily dependent on foreign aid, but is a popular destination for do-gooders being so close and accessible from the United States. Perhaps the Foreign Aid topic can highlight efforts of USAID and The United States Peace Corps. Pcvjamaica (talk) 03:09, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

Free education[edit]

The article read "Education is free from the early childhood to secondary levels", but there's no such a thing as "free" education, because people have to pay for it. It is just financed by taxes. Unless there's a person (or an organization) who pays for the teachers, buildings etc. Tashi Talk to me 12:38, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

Invalid Markup[edit]

The Revision as of 06:59, 16 August 2015 causes incorrect markup due to a missing close to the language bulleted list.

69.8.116.4 (talk) 17:26, 16 August 2015 (UTC)  Done Thanks for pointing that out - Arjayay (talk) 17:34, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 3 December 2015[edit]

Change: Marlon James (1970),novelist has published three novels: John Crow's Devil (2005), The Book of Night Women (2009) and A Brief History of Seven Killings (2014), winner of the 2015 Man Booker Prize.

To: Marlon James (1970),novelist has published three novels: John Crow's Devil (2005), The Book of Night Women (2009) and A Brief History of Seven Killings (2014), winner of the 2015 Man Booker Prize.

Changes: Correct link to Marlon James page, links to his two novels Macieklew (talk) 11:16, 3 December 2015 (UTC)

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Photo of Dunn's River Falls[edit]

Has anyone looked carefully at what's going on in that photo? It might not be the best representation of the place. 81.27.106.213 (talk) 05:04, 20 December 2015 (UTC)

CUDJOE[edit]

MAROON LEADER IN THE REVOLUTION - SEE WIKIPEDIA

Semi-protected edit request on 26 February 2016[edit]

I would like to add some information about Jamaica.

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Broken Link[edit]

hello

I'm a big fans of wikipedia. I usually use wikipedia for my reference to build website.

Actually I found a broken link in one of wikipedia page url https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamaica

and the broken link is http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/news/html/20051117T220000-0500_92733_OBS_PORT_AUTHORITY__MAERSK_IN_MAJOR_DEAL.asp

I found a similar page that even has a link in wikipedia. if you want to update the link http://traveler4u.com/jamaica-all-inclusive-resorts/


Keep up with your excellent work

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"Import" terminology[edit]

I wanted to bring attention to the phrase "Spanish imported slaves". While it is true that the Spanish and British commoditized human lives during the time, and considered African slaves as objects to be imported, I believe that it is improper to use this language in the article. It is not made clear that this was the viewpoint of the Spanish/British, and when reading, it appears as though we (Wikipedia) are placing this terminology on the events. Smarie563849 (talk) 03:08, 22 May 2017 (UTC)

We are not here to correct the errors of the past......all we can do is regurgitate the terms used in the sources. --Moxy (talk) 06:00, 22 May 2017 (UTC)

But isn't Wikipedia supposed to be a new source of information that doesn't rely on the errors of the past? The whole purpose of Wikipedia is to produce information that is immune to the historical biases seen in the past history texts, so I do not think that it is correct to simply regurgitate these errors in this new forum. Smarie563849 (talk) 16:31, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

Disappointed to see that there was no proper discussion about this...

Semi-protected edit request on 27 May 2017[edit]

Change Southeast Asian to South Asian in reference to Indian laborers under British Rule (1655-1962) section. 2602:306:8064:5510:8CFA:797B:1528:6A07 (talk) 03:26, 27 May 2017 (UTC)

Done, along with an extensive revision to the paragraph, which was confusing and poorly sourced. RivertorchFIREWATER 05:12, 27 May 2017 (UTC)

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