Talk:Jude the Apostle
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- 1 Ibises?
- 2 New research
- 3 Iconography
- 4 Work
- 5 An incorrect "misidentification"
- 6 Saint Jude and Saint Thomas
- 7 jude the great
- 8 Move discussion in progress
- 9 Incorrect statement
- 10 YouTube Video?
- 11 Explain why Jude is patron of hopeless cases
- 12 The Apostle with a square
- 13 Possible Identity with Thaddeus Section
- 14 Wording
- 15 About the name Lebbaeus
I'm aware this page needs many citations, but am particularly suspicious of the claim that Jude was patron of Ibises. This was by an anonymous user back in 2009, and so hasn't been corrected for a while - but it doesn't seem like it is correct. Anyone with better knowledge/sources able to verify? Scottkeir (talk) 22:10, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
I did some research on St. Jude last semester and I think the results are relevant to this page. The thesis is in Swedish but there's an Abstract in English. If nobody happens to understand Swedish I will edit this page eventually as I don't really have the time right now. Check it out at http://karlstad.academia.edu/FredrikATilhon/Papers/682910/The_origin_of_Saint_Jude_-_A_study_of_the_saint_of_despair — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.8.131.52 (talk) 19:14, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
The iconography headline is incorrect about what Eusebius' church history says. It does not say anything about a painting nor does it even say that Jude, one of the 12, visited King Abgar. It was Thaddeus, one of the 70! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.108.40.206 (talk) 16:37, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
This page is going to need a bit more work, but I don't have the time to do it right now. - Scooter 02:54, 24 Jan 2005 (UTC)
An incorrect "misidentification"
The following statement is factually incorrect and adds unnecessary doubts and confusions:
- In Acts he is probably also intended under the name of "Barsabas" (Acts 15:22).
On the contrary, the author of Acts of the Apostles has established the identity of his "Barsabbas" at the outset, in i.23: "So they proposed two men: Joseph called Barsabbas (also known as Justus) and Matthias." There are confusions of identity introduced in Acts, but this is not one of them. --Wetman 20:12, 3 May 2005 (UTC)
This page currently (Dec. 1, 2005) treats it as a given that the apostle Jude/Thaddaeus should be identified with Jude the brother of Jesus and author of the epistle. I think that is fallacious, and definitely not self-evident or universally (widely?) accepted.
(Anonymously posted by User:220.127.116.11)
- The later legends that separate out a separate personality for Jude are mentioned. Are any important or interesting early texts left out? --Wetman 13:46, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
Saint Jude and Saint Thomas
The connection between Jude and Thomas needs to be more apparent in this article, including a link to the Thomas article. This will greatly improve both accuracy and quality.Tinkstar1985 07:25, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
In the article about Saint Thomas this is addressed fairly well and I was hoping this article would have more information or a slightly different view. Unfortunately, this is not the case. I might also add (so I will) that this article is unusually short. Gingermint (talk) 20:54, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
jude the great
Move discussion in progress
- There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Bartholomew the Apostle which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. —RM bot 18:30, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
- That discussion was closed as "no concensus after 14 days". Anthony Appleyard (talk) 11:26, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
This statement is not totaly correct: "Devotion to Saint Jude began again in earnest in the 1800s, starting in Italy and Spain, spreading to South America, and finally to the U.S. (starting in the area around Chicago) owing to the influence of the Claretians and the Dominicans in the 1920s"
Devotion to Saint Jude began in the 600s in the town of Hasroun, North of Lebanon. Saint jude is the patron of this town and high percentage of men from hasroun are named after him i.e. Jude, Leba (from Lebbaus), Teddy or Ted (form Thadeous). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 18.104.22.168 (talk) 17:07, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
What is the purpose of having someone's personal YouTube video linked on this page as an official "External Link"? Seems to me that it needs to go away. Ckruschke (talk) 15:15, 24 March 2011 (UTC)Ckruschke
- I agree that the video seems to add no value and should be removed. I'll do that in due course if no one can explain how it helps the article. Johnuniq (talk) 03:43, 25 March 2011 (UTC)
Explain why Jude is patron of hopeless cases
I'm watching a sailer movie St. Cloud, that's how I learned and ended up here. But I can't understand from the article how Apostle Jude became patron of hopeless cases. Can that be explained in the article, pls. Thy happy wikipedia-ing --SvenAERTS (talk) 01:26, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
The Apostle with a square
In the picture of Van Dyck the apostle carries a square which is rather associated with the Apostle Thomas then with Taddeus who usually carries a baton. --Moroderen (talk) 13:36, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
- And your point is... what? The picture has the wrong catption or...? Ckruschke (talk) 19:06, 3 January 2013 (UTC)Ckruschke
Possible Identity with Thaddeus Section
"Some Catholics believe the two Judes are the same person, while a number of Protestants do not."
Not sure what to make of this. If only "some" Catholics believe then some Catholics don't. If only "a number" of Protestants don't believe, then presumably a number do. Would "Opinion is divided among Christians as to whether the two Judes are the same person" get the same point over more succinctly? Tigerboy1966 09:01, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
About the name Lebbaeus
Working thru the non-canonical Clementine literature (not recommended as light reading), there is a list of Apostles which is very similar to the one in the Synoptic tradition with one exception: instead of Jude/Thaddeus, Lebbaeus appears. This & the odd manuscript of Matthew suggest that some Christians in the 4th century believed a Lebbaeus was one of the Apostles. If I knew more about that manuscript, I'd be willing to add this fact to the article, & risk the usual push-back. -- llywrch (talk) 20:39, 7 January 2015 (UTC)