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A fact from Kim Kum Yong appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 4 September 2024 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that at the 2024 Olympics, unranked North Korean table tennis pair Ri Jong-sik and Kim Kum-yong defeated the defending champions and went on to win the silver medal?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2024/September. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Ri Jong-sik.

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Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 talk 16:28, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Kim Kum-yong at the Olympics

... that at the 2024 Olympics, unranked North Korean table tennis pair Ri Jong-sik and Kim Kum-yong (pictured) defeated the defending champions and went on to win the silver medal?

Source: YNA ("북한의 리정식-김금용 조(랭킹없음)는 27일 프랑스 파리의 사우스 파리 아레나 4에서 열린 파리 올림픽 탁구 혼합복식 16강전에서 일본의 하리모토 도모카즈-하야타 히나 조(2위)를 4-1(11-5 7-11 11-4 15-13 12-10)로 물리쳤다." [North Korea's Ri Jeong-sik and Kim Geum-yong (no ranking) defeated Japan's Tomokazu Harimoto and Hina Hayata (second) 4-1 in the Paris Olympics table tennis mixed doubles round of 16 match held at South Paris Arena 4 in Paris, France on the 27th. 11-5 7-11 11-4 15-13 12-10).]) / The Japan Times ("Japan's world No. 2 table tennis mixed doubles team, Hina Hayata and Tomokazu Harimoto, was upset by North Korea's Ri Jong Sik and Kim Kum Yong 4-1 in the first round at the Paris Olympics, losing the chance to retain the country's gold medal.") / Agence France-Presse via Barron's ("North Korea said they could learn from China after winning their first Olympic medal in eight years on Tuesday in Paris, settling for silver after a mixed-doubles defeat to the table tennis superpower.")

Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Babydog / Template:Did you know nominations/Flag of Madagascar

Created by BeanieFan11 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 229 past nominations.

BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:18, 5 August 2024 (UTC).[reply]

Hi BeanieFan11, review follows: both articles created 29 July; sources look to be reliable enough (AGF on the Korean-language ones); articles are both cited inline throughout and well written; I didn't spot any overly close paraphrasing form the English language sources, AGF on the Korean ones; QPQs are pending; hook fact is interesting and mentioned in both articles. My only query is if it is right to refer to their Japanese opponents as "defending champions", Japan won it the last time round but with a different team. Perhaps "ranked second in the world" is better? I am not familiar with the sport so maybe the terminology is OK as it is? There might also be a length issue, I think the paragraph common to both articles can only count towards the length of one. Can one article be expanded a bit to compensate? - Dumelow (talk) 11:48, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@BeanieFan11: Please reply to the above and supply the QPQs. Z1720 (talk) 14:37, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Dumelow: QPQ 1 done; still have to do QPQ 2 and look into the wording issues, which I'll complete tomorrow. Could you point out where it is stated that the paragraph common to both articles can only count towards the length of one? BeanieFan11 (talk) 03:41, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi BeanieFan11; from Wikipedia:Did you know/Guidelines#Length: "Text that is not original does not count, including text copied from the public domain and from other Wikipedia articles" - Dumelow (talk) 20:11, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Would re-wording the content in one article count? BeanieFan11 (talk) 20:31, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Seems a bit gamey, I don't think much more is needed to take one over 1,500 characters of unique prose. Appreciate they're North Korean so sources will be sparse but is there nothing else that can be added? - Dumelow (talk) 19:18, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, not trying to be 'gamey', just that they're remarkably obscure. (Even Reuters, describing their background, could only note that "little information is available about them".) Reuters does mention that Kim is noted for an unusual paddle; I'll see if I can add something about that later today to get it over 1,500. BeanieFan11 (talk) 19:56, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Dumelow: Added a bit to Kim Kum-yong and I think it is over 1,500 now. Also completed the second QPQ. As for the wording, I think it is probably alright; the aforementioned Reuters piece stated As the lowest-ranked of 16 teams in the competition, they first knocked out defending Olympic champions Japan. BeanieFan11 (talk) 22:49, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks BeanieFan11, looks good to me - Dumelow (talk) 06:09, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

On cite #14

Hi 51.37.76.171, you've added an argument against a specific source directly to the article itself instead of here. Could you please elaborate on your worries? Tessaract2^Hi! 01:33, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

hey just want to add context to the last part where Kim is claimed to be placed on ideological scrutiny due to a selfie and the attached source is an article written by guardian which quoted daily NK reports .This organization is famous for spreading misinformation about north Korea from unverified claims and is backed by American funding . I do not ask for removal of the information from kim but want to add context on the article so that the viewers get a better understanding. 51.37.76.171 (talk) 01:43, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That makes sense, and seems to be at least somewhat backed up by the RFC made about Daily NK in 2022 (see WP:DAILYNK). I've changed the line to say the info comes from Daily NK rather than The Guardian directly. I won't mention anything about the reliability of Daily NK in the article itself, as that's not the topic of the article (see WP:TOPIC). Thanks for the heads up! Tessaract2^Hi! 01:55, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]