Talk:McIntosh (apple)

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The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that the Apple Macintosh was named after the McIntosh apple (pictured), until recently the most popular variety of apple in northeastern North America?

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A lot of this information might be more appropriate on Mac OS or its sub pages; not sure how to reconcile redundancies in those and this or which one should be REDIRECT. --justfred

A redirect is clearly wrong. "Macintosh" should talk about the hardware, and incidentally the company and the software. MacOS should talk about MacOS. --LDC

That's what I was thinking. Models, hardware design, etc. Market share might go either place (Mac OS for techies, Macintosh for marketers...) Moved the press release stuff (which may or may not be copywrong) to Mac OS/OS X --justfred

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Can we add a source and more info to the origin of the apple? Ian01 22:26, 17 June 2007 (UTC) Can anyone explain why this cultivar is so popular in North America yet so rare elsewhere? I've never seen the fruit or saplings on sale in Britain, and I don't think it's grown commercially or as a garden tree anywhere in Europe. --80.176.142.11 (talk) 14:15, 15 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The fruit is on sale in the UK, has been for years. Maybe not around your neck of the woods but I can get it, and I don't exactly live in the most diverse city in the country. A lot of ours seem to get labelled as Scottish Macs though, but it'll still be the same fruit. 86.12.21.157 (talk) 18:02, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Good lord. The intro paragraph reads like a marketing blurb for the apple industry. Seriously? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 156.98.165.7 (talk) 18:31, 16 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Spelling

Could somebody please confirm this apple's spelling. On this page it is listed as "McIntosh" but I just bought some of these apples and on the tag it says "Macintosh". It's not obviously a big matter, but I'm just curious as to what the true spelling is. Thank you

Laisinteresting (talk) 21:23, 17 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I may not understand cultivars (or how the word descendant is used in this article), but spelling I can do.

Yes, indeed, McIntosh is the one and only correct spelling of this kind of apple.

After the Apple Macintosh computer mangled the spelling of the apple -- possibly to conform to trade name law -- a lot of people are now so used to seeing the Macintosh spelling that they probably often misspell the name of the apple.

But I can absolutely assure you that McIntosh is the apple (and Macintosh is the Apple).Daqu (talk) 06:51, 17 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The McIntosh Red (or McIntosh, colloquially "Mac") is an apple cultivar with red and green skin, a tart flavor, and tender white flesh. It becomes ripe in late September. It is traditionally the most popular cultivar in New England and Eastern Canada

Eastern Canada? What, all of Quebec and all the maritimes provinces and possibly all of Nunvat as well? that's pretty big compared to New England. I don't think they grow apples in all the permafrost. Was this written by George Bush or something?--99.248.211.46 (talk) 23:53, 13 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Macs began harvest here in southern and central Maine in early September. This article states that harvest is "late September". What geographic area is that assertion in reference to? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.78.53.160 (talk) 00:44, 17 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Descendant

A descendant is a relative in the direct line of descent. This includes grandchildren, great-grandchildren and so on. Ther must be thousands of descendants of the original Mcintosh around the world. While we would not call the offspring of a tree a "child", I would suggest "first-generation descendant". Any better suggestions? Andreas ^(T) 14:48, 4 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Can someone please explain?

I kind of thought I knew what a cultivar is, but from this article I see that I don't.

Can someone please explain how, if the last surviving descendant of the "original" Mcintosh apple tree died in 2011, it is still possible to grow McIntosh apples?

Maybe the other 19 seedlings that didn't survive past 1830 had descendants themselves whose descendants still survive? Or please do explain.

Wait! Is it that trees grown from a McIntosh appleseed are not considered descendants of the tree that bore the apple whose seed it is?

I really don't know. Maybe if I'm so confused, other people might also be, so whatever the answer is, maybe it could be included in the article? (The article on cultivars wasn't much help with this question.)

Thanks.Daqu (talk) 06:37, 17 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Volatile Composition of Mcintosh Apple Juice as a ...

"Where have you gone, Mr McIntosh?"

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Reviewer: Jamesx12345 (talk · contribs) 20:40, 20 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I'll review this over the next few days. James^x12345 20:40, 20 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

"bred it" - bred it could mean he created it on purpose, "sold cuttings from it" is less ambiguous.
"McIntosh combines well" - not entirely clear what this means (if it is a common technical term, a note would be nice.)
In the Cultivation section, there is info on cloning in the first and third paragraphs - could be combined.
"The original tree discovered by John McIntosh..." - this is also said earlier on, could be merged.
"cuttings from the last known first-generation McIntosh graft before it died in 2011 for producing clones" - McIntosh could be removed for readability - lots of words.

Very nice article, informative and well-written. James^x12345 21:06, 20 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

This article is missing a lot of important data. First of all, is this JUST the fruit or the whole plant? It is missing a basic description of Malus domestica! It doesn't even cover the basic details of the cultivar as coming mainly from M. sylvestris and M. pumila. This article needs to really get to grips with the fact that the fruit itself is not the be all end-all of what this article should be. Even the claims of its genetic origins are lacking. The history is ruined by a tangential picture of Andrew McNaughton, one of the worst pictures you could possibly place in this article. Why not the portrait of John McIntosh?! Cultural significance is so-so, but I'd think a better description of the fruit and perhaps nutritional information would be more important to add. Though I think the process of grafting and explaining how production of the trees for their fruit really needs to be covered at least in some detail. Big, huge, gaping holes in coverage here of all easily sourced material. There are books dedicated to it after all. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 07:04, 24 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- Okay, I'm going to withdraw this, as I can see there are some important aspects that need to be expanded, but: "Ruined" by "one of the worst possible pictures"? Give me a break! I almost ignored what you wrote entirely because of this hyperbolic horseshit. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 05:58, 27 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, but I assure you that on mobile it is really impeding. Though another problem exists you should have been aware of - the legend is not proven. Even your source explicitly states: "According to Cold War legend, Gen. Andrew McNaughton, Canada’s ambassador to the United Nations in the late 1940s, once told Soviet Minister of Foreign Affairs Andrei Gromyko our best apples were “McIntosh Reds.”" The text instead drops the entire dubious legend account and instead asserts (contrary to the source) that "In the late 1940s, Canadian ambassador to the United Nations Andrew McNaughton told Soviet Minister for Foreign Affairs Andrei Gromyko that the McIntosh Red was Canada's best apple.[14]" Again, sorry if it came off as rude, but it was undue weight and my eyes were drawn right to the error and what seemed like a misuse of a picture and re-iteration of an dubious and popular claim that lacked verification - reduplicating it. Withdrawing it was a good idea, but please make sure you fix errors like this - and quickly. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 04:15, 2 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

More sources?

Cyclopedia of Hardy Fruits
McIntosh Red (2007)

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I would recommend checking the grammar and spelling of the article, as some sentences do not have commas and others resemble phrases. Moreover, I feel like it is possible to add another section ("Geography") to expand on the fruit's origin. This could include key coordinates of the locations it is grown on the planet or places where the McIntosh apple has distribution channels. In terms of the sources, there are some footnotes that have letters instead of numbers - I would definitely look into this because it may be from a technical glitch or a lacking source. When I looked at the relevant picture, I felt like the description could be more detailed than "An apple in a market". The description for this picture is very general and could relate to any apple in the world. I would also go back and change words like "ninety years" to "90 years". The general rule of thumb is to use numerical figures if the number is greater than ten. In the "History" section I could change "follow his love" because it sounds a little awkward to the reader. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Melinda.an (talk • contribs) 19:57, 20 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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