Talk:Miles Dempsey

Biographical dates missing

The article doesn't mention his date of birth or the presumed promotions to brigadier and major-general - and did he make full general? Cyclopaedic 19:03, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Tag & Assess 2008

Article reassessed and graded as start class. --dashiellx (talk) 19:11, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Origins of name

Discussion reposted from User talk:Dominique Fournier

• Although I'm not particularly interested in things military, I nonetheless try to add bits of information on pages that deal with this topic when I come across them. I agree with the fact that the etymology of his family name says nothing at all about the person; but I fail to see how this is more or less relevant than stating that he "was a direct descendant of the O'Dempseys of Clanmalier, an aristocratic Gaelic family with a history traceable to a High King of Ireland in the second century A.D." (not to mention his 17^th century ancestor). After all, Ó Díomasaigh was the real name of the family, and I think one should rather talk about "the Ó Díomasaighs of Clanmalier" than "the O'Dempseys", a late Anglicized name, if his ancestry has to be mentioned. And given that, I don't consider it irrelevant to explain here, for those who might be interested but who don't know Irish, the meaning of such a name. (by User:Dominique Fournier)

The article is about the man, not his family or the origins of his name. Brief statements about his ancestry are relevant; going into the derivation of what is a fairly common name is not. Cyclopaedic (talk) 10:29, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

Agree that the derivation of the family name should not be in this article. There is plenty of scope to add the information to the Dempsey page. Stephen Kirrage ^{talk - contribs} 13:12, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

Naming of Caen streets

Discussion reposted from User talk:Dominique Fournier

• I also fail to understand the change about the information concerning the district of Caen where the street is : saying "linked with the war" seems a bit vague to me : which war ?

The war you mentioned earlier in the sentence!

Not the war in general (haha), anyway. The town-planners and the city council were careful about not limiting name-giving in this area to WWII personalities, but including references to peace and the making of Europe.

Which is wholly irrelevant to Miles Dempsey.

You may not be fond of the latter personnally, but suppressing this "non military" information garbles the context in which the name was given. In other words, there is life outside the army (surprisingly enough) :o) ! (by User:Dominique Fournier)

Which is wholly irrelevant to Miles Dempsey. The whole reference to street-naming could come out entirely, but if it stays it must be limited to information relevant to a reader of an article on Miles Dempsey. It should also be supported by appropriate inline citations.

I am reposting these discussions on the article's Talk page. Cyclopaedic (talk) 10:29, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

You could add the street under "Places" on the Dempsey (disambiguation) page. Stephen Kirrage ^{talk - contribs} 13:16, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

Tributes

This section mentions the Dutch village of Langenboom having a street named after Miles Dempsey. Which is correct, but the wonder is why this deserves special mentioning? As in: why single out this village, and leave out the 4 other towns in NL that have a street named after Dempsey? Those are Helmond, Panningen, Sittard, Venray, alphabetically. (All in the area that was largely liberated by the English in the fall of 1944). All street names in the Netherlands can be found on the public site of the Dutch land registry, so you find these places by entering 'Dempsey' into the search bar: https://bagviewer.kadaster.nl/lvbag/bag-viewer/index.html#?searchQuery=dempsey&resultOffset=0. I misplaced my wikipedia credentials, so for now sign with IP. Thanks, Marc 145.130.96.120 (talk) 22:05, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

Contradictory Statements between biographical pages - John Monash and Miles Dempsey

At http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Monash a statement is made explaining: "On 12 August 1918 Monash was knighted as a Knight Commander of the Order of the Bath on the battlefield by King George V,[2][16] the first time a British monarch had honoured a commander in such a way in 200 years."

On this page, the following contradictory statements are made: "On the 15th of October 1944, during a visit to the 2nd army by King George V1, Miles Dempsey was Knighted on the battlefield by the King, an event of historical importance in that no reigning monarch had bestowed such an honour on a soldier in the field of battle since Henry V at Agincourt in 1415. Dempsey was well aware that his ancestor, Sir Terence O'Dempsey had also been Knighted on the battlefield by the Earl of Essex in 1599."

Surely the knighthood in 1415 was irrelevant (not the most recent) if there was a battlefield knighthood in 1599? And surely the knighthood of Monash counts in this discussion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gbossley (talk • contribs) 01:38, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

--Was just about to come here and say the same thing. Monash trumps Dempsey by a long shot. --Mat Hardy (talk) 05:16, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

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GA Review

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Reviewer: Djmaschek (talk · contribs) 21:40, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

Review 1

Please fix or argue your case to not fix. There will be more to come. Djmaschek (talk) 00:05, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

• Introduction:
  • Paragraph 2: "awarded Military Cross" > "awarded the Military Cross".

    Y Added. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 02:46, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

  • Paragraph 2: "Iran during the Russian Civil War, and in India" > "in Iran during the Russian Civil War, and in India".

    Y Added. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 02:46, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

• Between the wars:
  • Paragraph 1: "where formed part" > "where it formed part".

    Y Added. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 02:46, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

  • Paragraph 1: "but in 1922 returned" > "but in 1922 he returned".

    Y Added. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 02:46, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

  • Paragraph 2: "Dempsey remained in this post..." > This sentence is very long and awkward to read. Can it be written as 2 sentences?

    Y Split sentence. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 02:46, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

  • Paragraph 6: "The brigade, commanded by..." > This sentence is very long and awkward to read. Can it be written as 2 sentences, perhaps with the second sentence starting with "after handing over again"?

    Y Split sentence. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 02:46, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

  • Paragraph 6: Is GSO2 defined somewhere? I don't see it.

    Y Not very well, but added a link. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 02:46, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

Review 2

Here's more. Djmaschek (talk) 01:45, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

• Belgium and France:
  • Picture: "Miles Dempsey (center)" in the caption would be helpful.

    Y Changed as suggested. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 02:46, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

  • Paragraph 3: Add Dyle and Scarpe river links.

    Y Linked. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 02:46, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

• Sicily and Italy:

• • Picture: "Dempsey (left)" in the caption would be helpful.

    Y Added. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 02:46, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

  • Paragraph 2: "developed by a Algiers known as Force 141" (something is wrong here: missing words in sentence?)

    Y Added missing words. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 02:46, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

• North Western Europe:
  • Paragraph 2: "which we called his 'whizzer' " ("we" makes it seem like this is from a quote, but there are no quote marks)

    Y Typo. Changed to "he". Hawkeye7 (discuss) 02:46, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

  • Paragraph 2: "it was it still a field" > "it was still a field" (extra word)

    Y Deleted. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 02:46, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

  • Paragraph 3: Maurice Chilton (this is the second link)

    Y Unlinked. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 02:46, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

  • Paragraph 3: "He later became Deputy Adjutant General at 21st Army Group HQ, and was replaced by ... Pyman" (who is he? replaced as what?) Suggest: "Chilton later became Deputy Adjutant General at 21st Army Group HQ, and was replaced as chief of staff by ... Pyman".

    Y Changed as suggested. Strictly speaking they were Dempsey's Brigadier, General Staff; "chief of staff" was a Montgomery change of doctrine. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 02:46, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

  • Paragraph 4: "assisted heavy bombers" > "assisted by heavy bombers".

    Y Added missing word. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 02:46, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

  • Paragraph 5: This might mention that Erskine was also dismissed. (I have the D'Este book.)

    Y Yes, he was. Added. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 02:46, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

• Far East"
  • Paragraph 1: "in the far East" > "in the Far East".

    Y Capitalised. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 02:46, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

• Post-war career:

• • Paragraph 1: "Although Montgomery wanted Dempsey to succeed him as CIGS." (not a sentence)

    Y Corrected. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 02:46, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

• Reputation:
  • Last quote: "He has remained a showy figure" ("showy" is the opposite of introverted: could this be a typo for "shadowy"?)

    Y Corrected. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 02:46, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

• Overall:
  • There is no explanation for his nickname Bimbo. Do any sources mention this?

    D'Este, Pyman and Rostron all say what I've said in footnote a: he was embarrassed by it, and never talked about it. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 02:46, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

All points addressed. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 02:46, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

I checked. It's all there. GA. Splendid article. Djmaschek (talk) 03:01, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

GA Notice

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The result was: promoted by Theleekycauldron (talk) 07:14, 25 September 2021 (UTC)

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Dempsey is invested with his knighthood by King George VI

• ... that Miles Dempsey (pictured) replicated a feat of a distant ancestor by being invested with a knighthood in the field? Source: "AN INVESTITURE IN THE FIELD. H.M. the King to-day held an Investiture in the Field, when he knighted three generals and presented numerous other decorations. Lt. Gen. Sir Miles Dempsey received the K.C.B." ([1]) For his ancestor, see [2], pp. 91-92
  • ALT1:... that Miles Dempsey (pictured) was invested with his knighthood in the field? Source: as above

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/BASIC-8

Improved to Good Article status by Hawkeye7 (talk). Self-nominated at 04:00, 19 September 2021 (UTC).

• Hi Hawkeye7, review follows: article promoted to GA on 19 September; exceeds minimum length and is well written; cited inline to reliable sources throughout; I didn't pick up any issues with overly close paraphrasing from a random spot-check; a QPQ has been carried out; photograph is in article and appropriately licensed; hook is interesting and mentioned in the article, I an verify the 1944 and 1599 knighthoods but I am not sure how to verify that Miles was a descendent of Terence? He doesn't seem to be mentioned in the source cited for the sentence " Dempsey was the descendant of a clan in Offaly and Laois in Ireland"; if you could give me a pointer, that'd be great - Dumelow (talk) 07:57, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

  It's in Rolston. Go to [3] and then go to page 47 (It's page 1 in the book). Hawkeye7 (discuss) 09:10, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

  Added a ALT hook without the ancestor. Apparently being invested in the field is what Bimbo is most famous for. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 01:30, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for that Hawkeye7, confirmed in new source. Either hook good to run - Dumelow (talk) 06:55, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

ALT0 to T:DYK/P3

1918: mustard gas barrage n o t at La Vacquerie

There is a sentence saying

On 12 March 1918, as the Germans prepared to launch their Spring Offensive, they laid down a heavy mustard gas barrage on Dempsey's battalion, which was now at La Vacquerie with Dempsey commanding D Company.

La Vacquerie is in the Normandy region (northwestern France), hundreds of km away from the front. --Präziser (talk) 05:16, 11 May 2022 (UTC)

Did you check he cited source? Hawkeye7 (discuss) 06:03, 11 May 2022 (UTC)

I see this has already been fixed (Lavaquerie on the Oise). Confusingly, there is also a place called Villers-Bocage just behind the Allied Somme sector (same name as the place where there was fighting in Normandy in 1944).Paulturtle (talk) 04:04, 5 November 2022 (UTC)