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This article has been mentioned by multiple media organizations:

Richard Cooke (February 17, 2020). "Wikipedia Is the Last Best Place on the Internet". Wired. Retrieved February 27, 2020. By contrast, Wikipedia's article on Napoleon sits at around 18,000 words long and runs to more than 350 sources.
Annie Rauwerda (2023-11-23). "Watching the Napoleon Movie? Don't Forget to Read His Wikipedia Page". Slate. Retrieved 2023-11-23. Le petit caporal even has a stand-alone article on his genitals (only Jesus and Hitler can say the same).

This article has previously been nominated to be moved. Please review the prior discussions if you are considering re-nomination.

Discussions:

RM, Napoleon I → Napoleon Bonaparte, Moved to Napoleon, 24 February 2011, Talk:Napoleon/Archive 5#Move to Napoleon Bonaparte
RM, Napoleon → Napoleon Bonaparte, No move, 16 September 2014, Talk:Napoleon/Archive 6#Requested move 16 September 2014
RM, Napoleon → Napoleon I, consensus not to move, 17 February 2020, Special:Permalink/942465823#Requested move 17 February 2020

Older discussions:
RM, Napoleon I of France → Napoleon Bonaparte, No consensus, 29 May 2007, Talk:Napoleon/Archive 3#Requested move Napoleon I of France → Napoleon I, Moved, 18 February 2010, Talk:Napoleon/Archive 4#Title : Napoleon of France ? RM, Napoleon I → Napoleon, Not moved, 19 January 2011, Talk:Napoleon/Archive 5#Requested move

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Section size for Napoleon (54 sections)
Section name	Byte count	Section total
(Top)	16,616	16,616
Early life	7,202	7,202
Early career	18	19,150
Return to Corsica	2,657	2,657
Siege of Toulon	2,156	2,156
13 Vendémiaire	4,820	4,820
First Italian campaign	4,298	4,298
Egyptian expedition	5,201	5,201
Ruler of France	395	57,315
18 Brumaire	1,505	1,505
French Consulate	5,306	10,155
Temporary peace in Europe	4,849	4,849
French Empire	334	39,172
Bonaparte becomes Napoleon I	3,408	3,408
War of the Third Coalition	6,405	6,405
Middle-Eastern alliances	1,730	1,730
War of the Fourth Coalition and Tilsit	5,127	5,127
Peninsular War and Erfurt	5,515	5,515
War of the Fifth Coalition	3,367	3,367
Consolidation of the Empire	1,819	1,819
Invasion of Russia	5,084	5,084
War of the Sixth Coalition	6,383	6,383
Exile to Elba	1,988	1,988
Hundred Days	4,100	4,100
Exile on Saint Helena	7,555	11,483
Death	3,928	3,928
Religion	224	8,179
Religious beliefs	3,301	3,301
Concordat	2,089	2,089
Arrest of Pope Pius VII	1,045	1,045
Religious emancipation	1,520	1,520
Personality	6,870	6,870
Appearance and image	3,521	3,521
Reforms	1,281	12,239
Administration	2,241	2,241
Napoleonic Code	1,570	1,570
Warfare	3,274	3,274
Education	3,174	3,174
Nobility and honours	699	699
Memory and evaluation	55	15,987
Criticism	5,554	5,554
Propaganda and memory	5,209	5,209
Long-term influence outside France	5,169	5,169
Children	2,078	2,078
Titles	4,245	4,245
Arms	3,289	3,289
Notes	29	29
References	33	12,747
Works cited	55	12,714
Biographical studies	5,117	5,117
Historiography and memory	733	733
Specialty studies	6,809	6,809
Further reading	2,032	2,032
External links	6,309	6,309
Total	189,291	189,291

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Infobox

I really think we need to have another conversation about the family members in the infobox. It’d be good to have another talk about it with more editors involved. The “consensus” to remove valuable information from the infobox for no valid reason is being upheld by the same 2 or 3 editors, and those same few revert any edits that go against their “consensus.” I would give a detailed explanation as to why I think the family info removed should be restored but I’ve already done so in my previous conversation in the talk page, which went nowhere. I’m bringing it up again because I believe most editors would agree to restore the info, but perhaps aren’t aware of this discussion or aren’t passionate enough about it to create the conversation, I’m hoping more editors will get involved to change this ridiculous infobox. Kind regards, Robertus Pius (Talk • Contribs) 19:57, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Is the information covered in other sections of the article, or only in the infobox? Dimadick (talk) 16:53, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I’m speaking about the removal of Napoleons parents and children from the infobox. Those are key facts of Napoleon that should be included in the infobox. Robertus Pius (Talk • Contribs) 18:15, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree I think it's a bit unreasonable to exclude his parents and progeny from the Infobox, considering Napoleon's quite important for the late Bonaparte dynasty. I agree to to list his children and parents in the infobox. I know that Aemilius Adolphin prefered the minimalist approach, but I agree with Robertus, legend, Векочел, and others that it's quite important for the infobox. 128.62.179.178 (talk) 20:03, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I’ve given up trying to change the infobox. Hopefully one day another editor will start up the conversation again as this infobox quite frankly, is ridiculous. Robertus Pius (Talk • Contribs) 23:22, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Robertus Pius: Consider opening an RfC. The overall appearance of the infobox of such a high profile figure cannot be decided by a handful of users. More insight is indeed required. Keivan.f^Talk 15:44, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Keivan.f: I have thought of that. But I’ve never personally opened an Rfc before so I’d prefer another more experienced editor open the Rfc. I’d of course give my input, as I’ve done in many Rfc’s. Kind regards, Robertus Pius (Talk • Contribs) 16:12, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's not ridiculous, it's just that editors disagree over what key information should be recorded in the info box and some generally prefer shorter info boxes and some prefer longer info boxes. I don't see why Naps parents are so important that it is one of the essential things people should know about him. Nap was a self-made man, he didn't inherit any of his positions or titles from his parents and there probably wouldn't be any Wikipedia article about either of his parents except for what their son did. Aemilius Adolphin (talk) 21:43, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Parents and children are key information about any individuals life. It makes no sense to include his spouses but exclude his parents and issue in the infobox. I agree with not having all his titles in the infobox because it made it ridiculously big, but just including his parents and issue doesn’t make the infobox much bigger, in fact you can barely tell the difference. Perhaps I was bit harsh with my wording, using words like “ridiculous” and for that I apologize, it just doesn’t make a whole lot of sense to me is all. Kind regards, Robertus Pius (Talk • Contribs) 02:39, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No need to apologise, the discussion has been quite civil. I was just trying to point out that there is room for disagreement on the issue and I don't think any of the editors are being especially stubborn. If you look at the featured articles on J. Robert Oppenheimer and Ernest Hemingway you will see that neither mentions their parents in the info boxes. I am sure there are many biographies that do, but it isn't a universal rule even for featured articles. Aemilius Adolphin (talk) 04:28, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, their parents aren’t included but their children are. Robertus Pius (Talk • Contribs) 13:31, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

His issue are just as important as his spouses. They should at least be included. If you only wish to add his legitimate issue (that being Napoleon II) then so be it. Thanks, Robertus Pius (Talk • Contribs) 00:33, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I wouldn't oppose adding Napoleon II. Aemilius Adolphin (talk) 01:11, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Alright, I’ll go ahead and add him then. Glad we could come to a compromise. Robertus Pius (Talk • Contribs) 01:42, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Added an issue link that takes you to the Children section as well so readers can see his illegitimate issue. Robertus Pius (Talk • Contribs) 01:46, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reforms

Hello all

I have added a short section on Nobility and honours. Napoleon's creation of the Legion of Honour and a hereditary nobility were major and controversial reforms which deserve their own short section. I have made space for this by cutting a lot of repetitive and hostile information about Napoleon's appearance from the section on Appearance and Image.

Happy to discuss Aemilius Adolphin (talk) 01:32, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

battle map

The battle of ligny 16 June 1815 is missing. Napoleon was in command personally. Trampled12 (talk) 08:02, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 14 October 2024

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Under Criticism, in the Louvre discussion, Artifacts is mispelled (artefacts) C A L E B 08 (talk) 16:36, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not done That is the correct spelling in British English. Nikkimaria (talk) 16:53, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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At the subject of religious beliefs, second indention. fourth line, Muslim appears to be spelled incorrectly as Moslem. Please pardon me if this message comes over frustratingly. Nathan J.R. Cruz (talk) 18:09, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: "Moslem" is an accepted (if outdated) alternate spelling that would have been used more frequently in Napoleon's time. The instance you mention is contained within a quote, and according to WP:PMC we should preserve as much of the original text of a quote as possible. DrOrinScrivello (talk) 19:12, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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In reference to Napoleon’s place of birth Corsica is assigned to The Kingdom of France, however Corsica belonged to the Republic of Genoa at the time of Napoleon’s burth. 86.170.220.41 (talk) 22:24, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: no sources provided to support the claim + Napoleon was born in 1769, a year after Corsica became French. M.Bitton (talk) 00:29, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]