Talk:Patriarchs (Bible)

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I have restored the pre-Qizix version and then readded the additions of Qizix (their content and possible additional structure) and 193.227.1.140s little section on Islam. I am not sure about this stuff - but I think such a wholesale restructuring when coupled with such a massive amount of deleting had better be raised on this page first. Best wishes (Msrasnw (talk) 14:12, 27 December 2010 (UTC))

I'm sorry I didn't properly explain my edits on this page first.
This article in its entirety is about figures in early Genesis-the descendants of Adam. We are given uncited information relating to pre-Abraham biblical figures, such as their family tree, chronology, dates of death, and a section entitled "Ante-diluvian Patriarchs," which I for one cannot understand. My main objection to this article is that we are not given information pertaining to its title. I have never heard the term "Patriarchs" refer to individuals other than Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. In almost all cases, I'm fairly certain those are the three intended to be named. This articles interpretation of the use seems irregular and unverifiable. I think it needs a real restructuring, which entails a fair amount of necessary deletion. As for the Islam section, aside from the first person/POV/etc. issues, which can be dealt with I'm sure, there's so much Arabic I'm not sure what's going on in that section. Best wishes! Qizix (talk) 17:16, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
Is it a possible problem that we have changed the intro from Bible to Hebrew Bible and that the term Patriarchs is used more widely by for example christians? Some of the refs do seem to indicate patriarch is may be more generally used. Perhaps we need someone that knows to write this as I fear we may have made a mess! :) Anyway best wishes (Msrasnw (talk) 17:32, 27 December 2010 (UTC))
Ah, I now see where this mess came from. It's essentially a rewrite of the Catholic Encyclopedia version here, which writes:
"The word patriarch as applied to Biblical personages comes from the Septuagint version, where it is used in a broad sense, including religious and civil officials (e.g. 1 Chronicles 24:31; 27:22). In the more restricted sense and common usage it is applied to the antediluvian fathers of the human race, and more particularly to the three great progenitors of Israel: Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob."
The Jewish Encyclopedia restricts the word to the common usage, and I feel the more general one is so uncommon it should not be the focus of this article.--Qizix (talk) 17:59, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Edit and Question[edit]

In the bar chart, Adam's age was listed as 929. According to both the article and the NRSV, his age is 930. I have changed that. Genesis may not be a reliable source as to ages of historical figures, but it is the reliable source as to what Genesis says?

Chart Colors[edit]

The color of the bars for the ages of the patriarchs in the Masoretic Text does not match the legend at the bottom of the chart. Can someone take a look at it? Robert McClenon (talk) 21:26, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

Unless this chart can be credited to a WP:Reliable source, it's WP:Original Research. Editor2020 03:23, 28 May 2014 (UTC)
I got the information from Jaco Gericke's PhD thesis. Abyssal (talk) 04:15, 28 May 2014 (UTC)