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page is being vandalized over and over again.[edit]

To anyone who cares: Plz., revert the page to it's previous version. It has been vandalized over and over, through the past days. I could do it myself, but I don't have enough time. --Zephir 00:34, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

sword in metal gear solid 4 guns of the patriots[edit]

In the trailer for guns of the patriots it shows Raiden back looking like a cyborg ninja but what I find awkward is that he is not using the high frequency blade, in fact he is using two different swords and a knife. The sword we see him use is a long rough steel blade with a grip. I would like to know what happen to Raiden's HF blade. --(ryo)

Yeah, that struck me odd too. I mean, the H.F. Blade is the Sword of Swords, soo naturally we'd assume he'd be using it... unless one of those swords IS the H.F. Blade and it went under a redesign or simply looks different because of the major graphical differences between MGS2 and MGS4

I agree with the second theory. It could merely be the same high-frequency blade but with a different appearance due to Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty and Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots being released SIX years apart. (Myscrnnm 04:14, 18 April 2007 (UTC))
I don't see why they'd need to be the same H.F. Blade. It's not like there's only one, they are probably manufactured by ArmsTech or Tokugawa Heavy Industries or one of the other fictional MG companies. Gray Fox used on as well, after all. WtW-Suzaku 21:45, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Gray Fox's sword is to believed to be a diffrent sword, I'll find this sword later. But I am sure it is not the High Frequency Blade (Otaconx)

Gray Fox's sword is also a high-frequency blade, but it's an older model, with a cable that connects to his exoskeleton, presumably for a power source.(Myscrnnm 20:54, 7 October 2007 (UTC))


Far-fetched[edit]

Raiden is rumored to be Link from Legend of Zelda, as they both are similar to each other. Link never talks, and Raiden usually misinterperates what Colonel Campbell says sometimes(ie:Colonel says nodes, Raiden misunderstands it as nerds) meaning they both have little knowledge of English., and both are highly adept at sword use.

C'mon, who is supposed to beleive this tripe. Metal gear ninty 21:53, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Raiden is good at english, Raiden didn't misinterperate the GW saying, he just misheard it, If he didn't know much english then he wouldn't know what Nerd would even mean, so he just misheard it, even though him and link both are good with swords, there is one big diffrence between them, and that is Link has a shield and raiden is just a sword user Otaconx

References Jumbled[edit]

I've included some references, but this seems to have jumbled things up, I'm new here so I don't know how to correct this, so could someone fix it please? Metal gear ninty 11:04, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Raiden's Role in The S3 Plan and Negative Fan Reaction[edit]

This whole paragraph seems rather subjective. Who is to decide what Raiden's role in the game is and how it corresponds to the general populace? If this is the words of Kojima or some other authority that should be explained. --user:Sentius

Agreed, I've been a bit iffy about it since it was added; I was hoping it would get trimmed up, but it appears that isn't going to happen. I'll get rid of it later today if it's still there and hasn't been updated. --Asriel86 17:23, Apr 11, 2005 (UTC)

Why in blue fuck does Raiden have high heels on ??

Trivia[edit]

Anyone else got any trivia to do with raiden?

Good job on adding the 'Jacks' information Jonny, I knew there was something else to do with his name. --user:Mysticflame

Solid Snake is actually Raiden's uncle by law because of his family status with Solidus Snake. -Cid and Ryo (Mostly Cid)

Um...we'll... originally the character of Raiden was actually going to be a cyborg, and would have this triangle-like design on his stomach, which was revealed durring the Arsenal Chapter when Raiden is removed of his sneaking suit. I'm glad Hideo decided to make him human >.>

Solidus' suit[edit]

Solidus Snake from MGS2 wore a combat suit that seemed to expand his muscles and such, giving him extra strength. Raiden's suit seems to share the technology of the suit as seen from the trailer. When he holds onto the turrets on one of the Metal Gear GEKKOUs, his suit expands. And at the end, as he sheathes his sword, you see steam emanate from the suit as it recedes. So yeah, someone should note the similarity.

Metal Gear Intergal (GBC)[edit]

Is it of any note that it is often speculated that the GBC Metal Gear game may have you playing as Raiden, unbenknownst to players. He is reffered to as 'Jack' a few times, and the popular internet ruling is that this was the 'vr' mission Raiden did prior to Big Shell.

Think it's worth it?03:24, 27 May 2006 (UTC)~

I think you mean 'Metal Gear Ghost Babel', and yes, I've seen screens of that bit. I'm trying to get to the 'Jack' scene myself - I'll make sure to put a screenshot here when I find it. --87.114.18.235 19:19, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Removed some unsourced text[edit]

Again, I like this section, but it needs a reliable source. This Geocities site is not a reliable source.

In contrast to the American reception, Raiden was quite popular in Japan, probably due to his deeper voice given by Kenyu Horiuchi in the original Japanese version (in contrast to Quinton Flynn's more effeminate voice acting in the English version) and a generally more mature portrayal in Kojima's original script.[1] An androgynous appearance is also generally more acceptable in Japanese pop culture. Despite his relative popularity in Japan, Raiden's negative reaction among English-speaking gamers prompted Kojima Productions to alter his character design for Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots.

Please don't replace it until you have added a proper source. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 03:52, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Why isn't geocities a reliable source? —Preceding unsigned comment added by The Bread (talkcontribs)

Because we have no way of knowing that anything posted there is true. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 08:37, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Okay then

(The Bread 04:14, 10 August 2006 (UTC))

Image:MGS4 Raiden render.jpg[edit]

Can we please not use this image for the infobox? His effeminate appearance is a major part of this article's focus, and as such we should not use an image that completely conceals same. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 03:52, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

I agree that the image should show him with a mask on, since Raiden typically shows his face. 12.219.74.52 15:33, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
I prefer to use the latest incarnation of the character over the oldest, but whatever suit your tastes. At least don't discard the image I've uploaded. I put it there to give a full body shot of Raiden's new looks. Jonny2x4 05:00, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

"Some believe the new image hollow"[edit]

I would like to know who these people are. The 'new way to perceive Raiden' is very in line with the notions of the worldwide guerrila-style warfare that Liquid Snake (through Ocelot) apparently begins to unleash, "drop by drop," upon the world. --75.2.21.90 11:04, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Popularity and voice in Japan[edit]

First, about Raiden's voice. I don't see it noted anywhere that Raiden's Japanese voice actor has a much deeper voice than Quinton Flynn. While we don't know for sure what the exact reason for the different voice is, we do know that Kojima did cast Horiuchi himself, and we know he didn't cast Flynn, which to me indicates that he had intended for Raiden to have a deep voice (again, that's my opinion, but it is definitely true that Kojima did handle the Japanese voice casting, while INTAC handles the English voice casting). Anyway, why isn't any of this (at least the fact that the Japanese Raiden has a much deeper voice) mentioned in the article (under "Character development", perhaps)?

I do see that this was mentioned in a deleted paragraph, but I think the fact that he has a deeper voice in the Japanese version should definitely be put under "Character development".

And regarding his popularity in Japan. I changed "Raiden was quite popular in Japan" to "Raiden was more well-received in Japan". You can see that in the 1UP.com interview Kojima merely says "there are actually many people in Japan who like Raiden", while he also says "But the fans ended up not liking him" (note that he says "the fans", and not "the Western fans"). Also note that on the Japanese Wikipedia, Raiden doesn't have his own article, while Solid Snake, Liquid, and Solidus, as well as Big Boss, Ocelot, Otacon, and Campbell all have their own articles. Quite popular? Hardly.

-71.80.31.42 08:12, 15 July 2006 (UTC)


Ghost Babel connections[edit]

Do we have any cites that state that this is an intentional connection? - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 04:25, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Tanker incident in VR?[edit]

If Raiden went through the Tanker incident in VR, why would he believe that Snake destroyed the tanker rather than Ocelot? For that matter, why would the Patriots let him learn this at all? --Pika132

One presumes that he went through an edited version. It isn't made clear. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 06:23, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

I agree with A Man in Black. If you remember, in the codec convo between Raiden and Snake after Ocelot has killed the president and Raiden has exited the room where the president was held, Raiden says "I've gone through the tanker in VR before" to which Snake replies "Yeah? Well I doubt it accurately simulates the events of that mission." This may indicate that the mission Raiden went through was changed in some way or another when compared to the true tanker event.


I believe it was a VR mission of Shadow Moses they where talking about in teh game. GamerSam 13:24, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Uncle? Nah[edit]

"Raiden's uncle is Solid Snake by law due to his relationship with Solidus Snake."

Solidus didn't officially adopt Raiden; he found him and took him under his care, training him to be one of his soldiers. So, Snake is not Raiden's uncle.

Although not by law, Solidus does think of Raiden as his son, and the only father Raiden knows of is Solidus. So, Snake is Raiden's uncle as much as Liquid is Solid's "brother".

Ya the above poster did clearly say, "law" so Indeed Snake is Raiden's Uncle and Naked snake is Raiden's grandpa lol Otaconx

I wish Snake was my uncle imagine how fun family reunions would be minus teh fact snake killed off half of them and Ocelot would have to be there because Liquid. GamerSam 13:31, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Though we don't know the legal identities of Solid and Liquid Snake and Raiden, it is likely that their legal identities were separate, which measn that Solid, Liquid and Solidus are not legally brothers. As previously stated, there is no indication that Solidus legally adopted Raiden, therefore he is not legally his father and it is impossible for Solid Snake to be Raiden's uncle.

Citation.[edit]

Can we get a source on this claim " It has been recently confirmed by Lead Character Designer: Yoji Shinkawa, that Raiden is indeed a Cyborg like Gray Fox, and the only things still human about him are apparently his head and spine. He commented that Raiden is "falling apart"" —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 209.112.147.54 (talk) 00:59, 2 March 2007 (UTC).

It was in the official Kojima Report podcast thing with Yoji Shinkawa as a guest, relatively recently. You could probably find it with a quick search. WtW-Suzaku 21:49, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

What really happened to Raiden?[edit]

Recently i read to an article about raiden's uniform. It says that raiden cant live without the suit... My question is: What really happened to raiden? I looked everywhere to find an answer but unfortunately i found.. nothing.So?! Why he cant live without the suit? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 217.78.230.234 (talk) 15:26, 17 April 2007 (UTC).

We don't know yet. It will be revealed in Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots, which comes out later this year. (Myscrnnm 04:09, 18 April 2007 (UTC))

we do know from a interview that Raiden was apparently 'falling apart' and pretty much the only part of him that is still of his origional body is his head and spinal cord. so yah.. he definitely needs that cybernetic suit to live.--CloudHiro 08:37, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Raiden is a clone of Raikov, so like Snake he too is falling apart, but in a much more literal sense. That's why he needs the suit to live.

^No, Raiden is NOT a clone of Raikov. There is no relation between the two characters, Raikov was merely created as an in-joke between the fans and creators of the game. Also, we know Raiden has biological parents so he can't possibly be a clone. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.107.180.32 (talk) 14:37, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

On an additional note, prior to "Big Shell" Raiden's/Jack's blood is removed and placed in cold storage and replaced with some sort of synthetic material. This information was revealed via codec transmission at the beginning of the "Big Shell" infiltration. The plan was to replace the blood via transfusion at the conclusion of the mission. However, the events that took place at the end of the mission complicated matters and it is assumed he never received the transfusion. This could explain why Raiden is "falling apart." Perhaps the synthetic was not designed to be used for an extended period of time. The video can be found on "Youtube."-Jack, 6 November 2007

Who deleted the Metal Gear Solid 3 part in apperences[edit]

I made a paragraph about the story that Raiden had in Metal gear solid 3 subsistence secret theatre! that took 15=20 minutes of my life to make.


Oxycite Refernace[edit]

I would edit this out completely. The artificial white blood is not likely a specific referance to Oxycite, and is much more likely a direct referance to Policenauts, where several characters have artificial white blood, usually referred to as "Milk Blood". This is one of several referances to Policenauts in the MG series, another of which being Tokugawa Heavy Industries itself, which is plastered all over Raiden's new exoskeleton. WtW-Suzaku 06:56, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Either one is just speculation without a solid source †he Bread3000 07:35, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
Better to just remove the Oxycite thing altogether, then. WtW-Suzaku 19:46, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Jack and Frank's simlarities[edit]

If you take a look at the individual storylines of Frank Jaeger and Jack, you'll discover they are EXTREMELY similar.

Both of them were child soldiers, and were aparently so good that they both got nicknames for their deadly nature, Jack the Ripper and The Frank Hunter. Also, both were aparently in perfect soldier experiments, Frank's perfect soldier experiment explained in Portable Ops, and the side objective of the patriots in the Big Shell incident as Jack's. Both found some sort of salvation from these projects due to the current Snake (Naked and Solid). And the most oveous one, both becomeing a Cyborg Ninja.

I dont think this is a quincidence. Hideo Kojima must have purposely made these two individuals to be this similar for some reason. The question is, what is this reason? Perhaps it will be revealed in Guns of the Patriots.--CloudHiro 08:33, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Its obvious that Raiden is a replacement considering their pasts and the occurrences of events Kojima has in teh series to represent the cycle of Memes and times. Also the fact that the Patriots use Big Boss and Snakes experiences to base there scenarios for the S3. GamerSam 13:28, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Maybe Raiden/Jack is a clone of Null/Grey Fox/Frank Jaeger. It would also explain why hes "falling apart". Snake is dying from a genetic abnormalty from the cloning process and so maybe Raiden is too but he chose to use a cyborg suit to prolong his life.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.96.36.33 (talk) 17:23, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Titanic thing[edit]

"Raiden's real name, Jack, was taken from the name of Leonardo DiCaprio's character in the movie Titanic. Concurrently, his love interest in the game is named (Rosemary) after Kate Winslet's character in the film.[3] His role and status were also likened by the designers to those of the jack in a deck of playing cards, with Fortune representing the Queen, Solidus Snake the King, and SEAL Team 10 the expendable "spot" cards."... ok what? Raiden wasn't even take from that. Some Survey thing,that why Raiden was made a character--Hitamaru 23:05, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Yes, that was how they decided to create a younger, more handsome character which turns out to be Raiden. The above is mentioning the origin of his name (Jack) not the character. In th real world, Hideo named him after Jack Dawson from Titanic. In the game world, Raiden is (most likely) named after Big Boss - most likely because of Solidus' obsession with Big Boss —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.7.182.253 (talk) 03:09, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

... Huh,wut? 0.o i don't think kojima named him after a dude in titanic. That would say they name the jack dude in Pirates of Carribean after Titanic. It's jus fan fiction and some nutty titanic fan. even tho imo the movie was horrible.--Hitamaru 22:52, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Just because you hate the movie doesn't mean it's not true - and your Jack Sparrow argument wasn't the same thing. You see, Raiden's girlfriend is named Rose - Jack and Rose, known lovers from the Titanic movie. Hideo Kojima is known for his love of movies. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.222.253.141 (talk) 12:27, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

MGS1 has Hal and Dave (2001: A Space Odyssey), and MGS2 has Jack and Rose (Titanic). It's definitely intentional. Philip Reuben (talk) 12:59, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Picture of New raiden[edit]

Can some get a pic of him and move the current raiden pic to the big shell chapter.--Hitamaru 22:52, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Why? The MGS2 Raiden is the original and came long before the MGS4 incarnation who is basically just Cyborg Ninja 3.0. Jonny2x4 (talk) 05:17, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Does Raiden know about the entire plan the whole time?[edit]

Does Raiden know about Ocelot/Big Boss's plan in MGS4? Does he know it was all fake so Snake would do what he did and stop the Patriots from stopping them? If so, it should be mentioned in the plot points. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Muisee (talkcontribs) 02:09, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

Les Enfants Terribles[edit]

I think that something about "Les Enfants Terribles" should really be added. It has to do with everything about Raiden's past and his character. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.144.34.90 (talk) 02:02, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

No it doesn't.... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.109.1.129 (talk) 03:19, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Snatcher?[edit]

"He may actually be the first official Snatcher in the Metal Gear universe." Am I just not getting the reference here or is this pure graffiti? When I searched for Snatcher all I found was some silly old game. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.94.26.214 (talk) 18:18, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but the phrase "silly old game" tickled me! ;) Snatcher was a game that Hideo Kojima developed after the original Metal Gear. It was a graphic adventure influenced by cyberpunk media (meaning primarily movies) like Blade Runner and Terminator, centered around cybernetic organisms (part robot, part organic, you know) killing and replacing humans, and was pretty good for the time. The Game included References to Metal Gear, most notable a small robot called Metal Gear Mk. II - back in 1988. After that Kojima went on to do Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake and went on to include references to Snatcher. If you call Kesler/ Kasler in the final match with Big Boss, he'll tell you, that Big Boss is rumored to have been revived by the snatcher program, where cybernatic parts replace vital organs. This was a complete in-joke, of course, but the guy making the MGS4 Database took this a bit too serious and incorporated in it, meaning that this is now unfortunately canon.87.174.211.241 (talk) 19:46, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

African American category[edit]

I`m sorry but where does it says he is of African descent? Zidane tribal (talk) 06:49, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

Only because he fought in the Liberian civil war, that`s not proof he is of African descent. Zidane tribal (talk) 06:53, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

another correlation to Raiden?[edit]

could his name have anything to do with the WW2 IJN Fighter aircraft the Mitsubishi J2M Raiden(Thunderbolt).....this aircraft was(and its probly just a coencidence) ...codenamed "Jack" by the allies in much the same way as the A6M Zero "Zeke" and G4M "Betty"

i just figure 2 Raiden/Jacks is either wierd or genius for hideo kojima..you decide lol

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitsubishi_J2M

Tony Spike — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tony Spike (talkcontribs) 18:03, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

It's strongly implied in MGS2 that this is the source of Raiden's codename.... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.253.39.7 (talk) 21:22, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

Already added with a source.Tintor2 (talk) 00:22, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

GA Review[edit]

This review is transcluded from Talk:Raiden (Metal Gear)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: GreatOrangePumpkin (talk · contribs) 16:35, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)
  1. It is reasonably well written.
    a (prose): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
    "appearing as a trained member of the FOXHOUND special forces participating in his first mission. " - a word or a comma is missing here. Maybe add "and" after "special forces"?
Done.
  1. third "u" in "Sukarua Sutsu" should be an "ū", as you used the Hepburn format throughout
Done.
  1. "An organization known The Patriots " - I would add "known as"
Done.
  1. "(shown at E3 2005)" - I think this is trivia
Removed.
  1. "version of Raiden appears in Metal Gear Solid: Portable Ops Plus expansion pack" - in the Metal Gear, as you wrote "expansion pack" at the end
Done.
  1. I would just write "AI" instead of with the redundant periods
Done.
  1. "(a deleted scene from the original game due to the September 11 attacks)" - I think that should be integrated, ie without the brackets, as that is important
Done.
  1. "the decision to make a new character the main playable one of Metal Gear Solid 2 (instead of Solid Snake) stemmed from the developer's desire to develop Snake from a third-person perspective instead of treating Snake like a rookie again." - long and complicated sentence
Trimmed and reworded.
  1. Link "VR" (virtual reality?) in Analysis, or describe it
    • Done.
  1. The phrases in brackets are distracting; try to eliminate as many as possible and merged the phrases with other
Removed some of them and reworded the others.
  1. It is factually accurate and verifiable.
    a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):
    Minor: Overlinking of 1Up.com and GameSport
Removed link 1UP in reception. Can't find another GameSpot link in the body.
  1. It is broad in its coverage.
    a (major aspects): b (focused):
    Some of the content in the brackets is trivial and out of place
Reworked.
  1. It follows the neutral point of view policy.
    Fair representation without bias:
  2. It is stable.
    No edit wars, etc.:
  3. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
    a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
  4. Overall: Minor corrections needed, but otherwise an excellent article. --GoPTCN 20:10, 13 July 2012 (UTC)
    Pass/Fail:
  • Pass Very interesting article. --GoPTCN 08:27, 14 July 2012 (UTC)


Yes; in MGR:R, during a Codec conversation, I believe with either Kevin or Courtney, he confirms this as the origin of the name "Raiden". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.143.60.89 (talk) 09:14, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

Raiden's Sacrifice in MGS4[edit]

Hi folks, I just wanted to ask, for the sake of having a good article, what's the deal with Raiden's sacrifice in MGS4? I haven't involved myself in the MGS world for a while, but I remember him dying (more or less), and I also remember, and have read here, that he needs that suit to live. And yet, doesn't MGS4 have a happy ending where he has his arm back and no suit and what not? How is this explained in the lore? In advance, I apologize if I added this wrong, but I'm no good with wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.92.133.164 (talk) 21:33, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

His "human suit" was just a disguise. He was this close to dying in MGS4 but made it out alive. The problem is that we cannot list everything he does per WP:PLOT. Regards.Tintor2 (talk) 00:05, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

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