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Move?

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The result of the proposal was} do not move Anthony Appleyard (talk) 09:57, 31 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Safran to SAFRAN: was a {{db-move}} "Company appears to use all caps for its name, per its website (04:59, 26 March 2009 User:BillCJ). Anthony Appleyard (talk) 07:08, 26 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
"Safran" is not an acronym. See WP:MOSTM. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 07:09, 26 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Or move Safran to Safran (firm) and Safran (disambiguation) to Safran? Anthony Appleyard (talk) 07:16, 26 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I don't see the problem with spelling a word the way the company does. We have many other articles like that aren't acronyms, many of them French companies. So a guideline has more weight than a company;s on preference? So why we have eBay, and not Ebay? Is "eBay" not a trademark too? (I don't think it's an acronym.) The guidelines are inconsistent on this, giving preference to some styles over others. My prefernce is still SAFRAN. Hopefully wil get a consensus on this one way or the other. Also, Safran Group is probably a better alternative than Safran (firm), though theterm is not quite as common as "SAFRAN" on their site. - BillCJ (talk) 10:22, 26 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Again, see WP:MOSTM. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 12:31, 26 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- I heard you the first time. I heard you the first time. - BillCJ (talk) 21:32, 26 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Also the guidelines are not inconsistance relating to eBay because it is covered by a specific exception in the MOSTM. Trademarks beginning with a one-letter lowercase prefix pronounced as a separate letter do not need to be capitalized if the second letter is capitalized, but should otherwise follow normal capitalization rules. ebay is even used as an example. SAFRAN is not covered in this specific exception so the naming of ebay is irrelevant to this discussion. To get this moved you will either need to prove that this is an acronym, is pronounced as a as seires of letters like MCI or get a consensus at the WP:MOSTM talkpage to capitilis the names of comapnaies if they do so though I highy doubt there will be a consensus for that. --76.65.141.61 (talk) 21:21, 26 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  - All that is needed to override a guideline is a consensus here. Looks liek that won't happen, but I had to try. Yes, Apple I know, "Again, see WP:MOSTM." Screw the guideline - it's STUPID. - BillCJ (talk) 21:32, 26 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. As mentioned above, the name is not an acronym. --DAJF (talk) 13:59, 26 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per MOS:TM. We don't bow to trademark owners wanting to circumvent standard English. If you see other articles that violate this, nominate them to be moved instead of using them as a reason to have more bad article names. TJ Spyke 19:24, 26 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose move, yes it's a simple case of MOS:TM. The question of primary meaning is a closer call, I'm sceptical that this really is one. The appeal to other instances is empty without specific examples; Provide these, and maybe we'll review the guideline and/or apply WP:IAR, but without them the response must be as above: Fix them too. Andrewa (talk) 20:27, 26 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per WP:MOSTM. The General rules section reads "Follow standard English text formatting and capitalization rules even if the trademark owner considers nonstandard formatting "official": avoid: REALTOR®, TIME, KISS; instead, use: Realtor, Time, Kiss." The title does not need a disambiguator either. None of the other entries at Safran (disambiguation) are only Safran. — AjaxSmack 23:41, 26 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Unless the firm is a very dominant meaning, plain Safran should be the disambig page. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 06:29, 28 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  - Safran is the only meaning. All of the others are people or titles in the form of XXX Safran. — AjaxSmack 16:11, 28 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    - Hmmm, I guess there's a precedent of sorts in Suzuki. But I'm not convinced... if there were only one town called Robertson, and all other uses were either qualified by prenames or less notable (or both), I'd still want the disambig to stay at the unqualified name. Hmmm.... are there better examples? Andrewa (talk) 19:32, 28 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      - Just to add that there are not many people surnamed Safran and none are particularly famous to the point where significant numbers of users would type "Safran" in the search box expecting to find one of them (in contrast with Churchill, Marx, &c.). — AjaxSmack 00:10, 29 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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New name for Zodiac Seats US LLC

Comment - I heard that the new name for Zodiac Seats US LLC is Safran Seats USA LLC. Is this true? --Jax 0677 (talk) 13:39, 4 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Renaming Zodiac Seats U.S. to Safran Seats

Please visit Talk:Zodiac_Seats_U.S.#Requested_move_4_December_2018 to discuss moving Zodiac Seats U.S. to Safran Seats. --Jax 0677 (talk) 15:51, 8 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]