Talk:Sonic X

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Congratulations![edit]

Congratulations to all the contributors to this featured article. You deserve a lot of applause, recognition and appreciation. What a wonderful article.

  Bfpage |leave a message  11:27, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
Thank you, Bfpage! It's also probably my proudest piece of work here due to the hard time I had finding some of the sources, but it's my favorite of the Sonic shows (granted, the only ones whose episodes I've seen all of are X and Boom) and there haven't been a lot of FAs on anime or video game spinoff media, so for me it was worth it. Tezero (talk) 17:56, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
It is an incredibly difficult path to Featured Article status, one I have yet to even been able to contribute to. I admire what you have done.
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Syndication cessation[edit]

Sonic X has stopped airing on American television. Today was the last day of it. It's a tremendously bittersweet moment for it to have passed FAC on the same day. Tezero (talk) 01:10, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

  • @Tezero We may have lost the TV show, but in return, we got the most brilliant and detailed article the show could get. I felt exactly like this when Young Justice got cancelled. URDNEXT (talk) 01:12, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Uh, Young Justice is just C-class, URDNEXT, though it's better off than this page was before I started digging in. Or did it come into some non-Wikipedia-related windfall? Tezero (talk) 01:22, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
  • @Tezero Sorry, but I didn't catch what you said. URDNEXT (talk) 01:34, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
  • URDNEXT, I didn't understand the Young Justice analogy; that's all. That page is not, and has never been, an FA or a GA. In what way was the moment bittersweet rather than just depressing? Tezero (talk) 01:36, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
  • @Tezero I was talking about the show, not the article. I felt really bad when the show got cancelled. URDNEXT (talk) 01:42, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

Regarding the Status of Sonic X's license...[edit]

Since there's been a recent revert in here, I figure I would clarify the status of the show in the United States. While information is partially speculative, it does seem to support that the series is no longer licensed in the United States. First off, there seems to be a confusion about regarding who controls the master rights to the series. TMS Entertainment, who was the production company in Japan, controls distribution for the series outside of Japan, rather than TV Tokyo or Shogakukan (the latter only had their US distribution arm control merchandising rights). This is also evident in some of the court documents provided by the lawsuit between TV Tokyo/ADK and 4Kids Entertainment at the time, which stated that 4Kids still owed TMS some money for the series license (amongst other titles lists in the license agreements). Another point into this argument is the fact that TMS Entertainment took over the distribution on Hulu, which also signifies that Saban Brands no longer distributes or owns the series in the United States (as other "Vortexx" titles still remain under "My Vortexx" label. [1]). We also had word from a reliable (though this can't be sourced on the main page, for various reasons) individual on the forums, Toon Zone, that he (or she) had hinted that Sonic X come this fall, would be gone for "Good". [2] At the time, it wasn't clear if what they meant was the block going under or the rights were expiring for the series. However, it does appear clear what's going on with the series.

You know, information being hosted on a forum doesn't automatically cast it as unreliable; it's just that the vast majority of posters wouldn't be. I think if, theoretically, someone asked, say, Mike Pollock about the show's current licensing (I imagine he has some idea), that information could be used. But if not, well, I can't be too surprised. The reason bringing this to FA in the first place was as maddening as it was is that there were so few usable sources. Tezero (talk) 16:09, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
Ah, that so? Wasn't aware we could technically use a forum as a source. Regarding Mike Pollock, I don't think he'll know. If the situation was that 4Kids Entertainment still had it (or still existed the way they did in the past, for that matter), I'm sure he'd probably be able to ask. But yeah, sources seem limited about this information and I wish I could provide more. Mendinso (talk) 20:25, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

Second, Sonic Team's involvement with the series was at the time of the show's production in Japan, but were not involved in the series' distribution. For that matter, as far as I am aware, Sonic Team exists only in name only, as it's been disbanded and more so used as a brand name for the Sonic series now. Sega also does not actively take part in the show's distribution, for that matter. Mendinso (talk) 14:11, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

Strange. I find it hard to believe that Sonic Team no longer exists given that a main-series game for 2015 has been announced, but I agree that it's unlikely to ever have been involved in the show's distribution; I always figured that was more of just a placeholder name for here since we just don't know all the time. Tezero (talk) 16:09, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
I can't remember when it happened, but Sega decided to just dismantle the team and just have it operate under Sega. Some of the members are still at Sega, however. But yeah, usually the network or animation studio (sometimes another third party) are the usual distributors for animation productions in Japan, rather than the original creator. In this case, Sonic X being TMS Entertainment. Though, sometimes things can be a bit more complicated, where rights are divided up between production committee members (Detective Conan, for instance, YTV and TMS distribute the series to different territories). Mendinso (talk) 20:25, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

References

Cast section?[edit]

There is a great deal of precedent for including a section in TV series articles about the cast of a show or their characters. The English dub cast of Sonic X is referred to several times in the sections about the show's development, localization, and reception, so I believe the inclusion of a small list of the show's key cast members—both Japanese and English—would be helpful and informative to readers. Since we already have List of Sonic the Hedgehog characters linked to, I don't think an outline of each character would be necessary. Mz7 (talk) 18:44, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

I think it was determined sometime in the GAN or PR that this wasn't a good idea since it could cross into the dreaded cruft waters. It's an unspoken reality that cartoons are treated differently from live-action shows here, and while there's plenty of precedent for including cast lists for shows starring real people, the standard seems to be different for anime such that I can't name one I've seen with an independent cast list, certainly not one at GA quality or higher. In particular, it might be seen as a problem since the show's cast overlaps so much with that of the games around that time. Maybe there are examples of other such articles in similar situations in which including a cast list has been decided upon, though. Tezero (talk) 20:03, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
Having a cruft-filled character list is the last thing I want. However, at least a mention what voice actors and actresses were involved in the production of an animated show just seems like a very critical piece of information about any creative animated undertaking—and one that we are currently leaving out. I looked at Wikipedia:WikiProject Anime and manga/Quality articles, and a bunch of the higher quality articles actually have standalone lists of characters which do state their voice actors/actresses, and the existence of a standalone list forgoes the need for a character-list section at the parent article. An example is Madlax, which is the only other FA-class anime article on WikiProject Anime's list than Sonic X.
Although we have a standalone list too, it covers the franchise as a whole, as opposed to just this show. Plus, there was a consensus there to omit voice actors in their character descriptions. To reduce the potential for cruft that comes with a separate cast section, we could instead try stating the voice actors' names in parentheses next to their corresponding characters in the "Plot" section of the article. Mz7 (talk) 21:56, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

License History in the Info Box[edit]

Recently it seems that the information has been subjected to being removed in the information box for the article. While I think it should be kept, since it gives a good history of who owned the series over the years, apparently one user feels only the current licensor should be kept here. I don't see any issues with it being there, so I don't think it should be removed. Mendinso (talk) 16:48, 8 June 2015 (UTC)