Talk:Sultan Aji Muhammad Sulaiman Sepinggan Airport

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Source: http://www.airlinecodes.co.uk (enter BPN as IATA code when doing the search on that airport)

Time to discuss the airport name and resolve the situation[edit]

Because of the ongoing edit war about the name of the airport, I've protected the page. The constant edit-warring, particularly by multiple unregistered or newly-registered users, has reached the point of disruption.

I've restored the Sultan Aji Muhamad Sulaiman Airport name to go back to the status quo. What I'd like to hear is both perspectives, both for that name and for Sepinggan, on why the name is appropriate:

  • By what official pronouncement has the name change been authorized?
  • How does the airport refer to itself in formal presentation?
  • How do the airlines refer to the airport?
  • How does the press refer to the airport?

If the stronger case is for Sepinggan, let's reach consensus about that and change the title as well as the text. If the stronger case is for Sultan Aji Muhamad Sulaiman, let's get a clear consensus for that. Either way, I think it's time to discuss the matter rather than edit war, and to focus on which name is most appropriate per Wikipedia policies including verifiability. —C.Fred (talk) 18:54, 4 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

  • The airport website www.sepinggan-airport.com it calls itself "Sepinggan International Airport". MilborneOne (talk) 19:25, 4 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

No wrong procedures, the local government just did not give complete requirement yet in January. And in the beginning of February, it was completed. Then, the airport name was changed, according to the "Keputusan Gubernur Kalimantan Timur Nomor 553/K.37/2014". Also it needs time for the airport authority to build new name plate.--120.172.118.198 (talk) 03:08, 14 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

  • @120.172.118.198 : Can you read by carefully entire words of the second news do not read by partial paragraph, the local government is mean Balikpapan government, as per the rules, both of Major and parliament leader which are the most entitled to file a name change. Not the other party, even the East Kalimantan provincial government, in this case the Governor Awang Faroek. At the moment only major had been signed by forced of Governor and Muspida Kaltim, but the Chairman of DPRD Balikpapan (Balikpapan Parliament) not sign any letters until now, even they send a rejection letter to minister beginning of January to follow the Balikpapan's people aspirations. The SK of Governor not mean that proposal is approve yet by Minister, Minister in this case will raise their own official letter. And we are Balikpapan people still fighting for rejection. The good government leader (Governor) should be embraced (aspirations) of all parties or we can say should follow the voice Balikpapan's people not impose his personal will I suppose. We talk directly to the Project Manager of Angkasa Pura 1 Balikpapan as the owner of the Airport until now there is no decision about change of the name.TetapSepinggan (talk) 07:02, 14 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Read the latest news (5 Feb 14). All government (such as Balikpapan, Kutai Kartanegara, and Penajam Paser Utara) also the Balikpapan Legislature (DPRD), has agreed with the new name.(news) You don't tell the truth.--120.177.117.13 (talk) 10:54, 14 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • It's true about the latest news said that All government has agreed with the new name, But Our ministry has not approve request of the new name until now, So Sepinggan will keep Sepinggan — Preceding unsigned comment added by Orang.manusia (talk • contribs) 14:48, 14 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Kemenhub has not approve new name for Sepinggan, So Sepinggan is the name of this airport until now — Preceding unsigned comment added by Orang.manusia (talk • contribs) 14:50, 14 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I work inside of this ministry and i just can say, actually Our ministry don't agree with the new name of sepinggan, even governor of east borneo propose the new name and has approved by mayor of balikpapan, but ONLY WE WHO CAN CHANGE THE NAME not others. SO stop this polemic about this case. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 49.213.22.189 (talk) 14:57, 14 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The name of the airport has been regulated in the "Keputusan Gubernur Kalimantan Timur Nomor 553/K.37/2014". @49.213.22.189 If you -really- working in the Ministry, you should know that only local government can change the name. The Ministry can't.--120.172.2.110 (talk) 15:45, 14 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]


You don't know about rules of changing airport name, One of the Important point that Our minister must be make Decision letter , But until now our minister still not yet make that letter — Preceding unsigned comment added by 49.213.22.189 (talk • contribs) 17:18, 14 February 2014‎ (UTC)[reply]

You must read JPNN.com news before (about the minister), only local government can change the name.--112.215.36.145 (talk) 17:44, 14 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

  • @120.177.117.13 : Who's the person really know the truth? You with your opinion using only news from media local newspaper or we who's talking directly with our Chairman of parliament and the owner of the airport Angkasa Pura 1. The fact is the name is still Sepinggan International Airport until now but you which is I know you're not com from Balikpapan and in Governor side who totally insist the new name and using that new name everywhere before it's officially announce by Minister of Tranportation, then break all the rules and procedures and forced the Balikpapan's people to received that eventhough we are not agree just because you and Governor has a power as a East Kalimantan goverment. Read all that second news, If there is rejection Minister would not agree, that's the point. The Governor SK is not valid, because the Chairman of parliament not sign, he was not in meeting that day when Governor forced the major to signed in front of Military General and East Kalimantan Police Leader. That's The fact also and your media sounding the wrong news. Better we wait on next June when President officialy announce the new development of Bandara Sepinggan in our City Balikpapan. I know all the people who want to change the name of the airport is not came from Balikpapan.TetapSepinggan (talk) 01:10, 15 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@112.215.36.145 : Local government can change the name is mean Balikpapan Government initiative : Parliament and Major Balikpapan not province.

I will put the news which is contain a statement from Head of Communications and Public Information Ministry of Transportation :

Ministry of Transportation ensure can not grant permission request a name change Sepinggan Airport , Balikpapan became Sultan Aji Muhammad Sulaiman , if there is a refusal of Parliament or local government . (A letter of refusal has been send by parliament to minister beginning of January 2014)

As per the valid rules , both of which are the most entitled to file a name change . Not the other party , not to mention the East Kalimantan provincial government , in this case the Governor Awang Faroek .

" Procedures are to be no approval of Parliament where the airport is located. If no , the Minister of Transport issued a decree can not change the name of the airport , " said Head of Communications and Public Information Ministry of Transportation, Bambang S Ervan , Friday ( 24/1 ) .

Although the governor filed a name change is possible , said Bambang , however MoT should still hear the input of Parliament where the airport is located . If there is any conflict between the two sides as polemic Sepinggan today, the Ministry of Transportation will ask for an explanation why it could happen .

" The point is there should be input and support of Parliament ( Balikpapan ) first . If no , it can not , " repeated Bambang . As one of the air transport regulator , the Ministry of Transportation did not dispute the name of the airport was replaced by the local government . But the name change is important because Sepinggan an international airport so it needs to be announced to the world overseas flight .

Examples of the central government can not interfere in a matter of giving the name of the airport , Bambang added , can be seen the use of the name Kuala Namu Airport in Medan , North Sumatra . Airport which opened July 25, 2013 is taken from the name of an area is not a local hero or heroine . "On behalf of us leave it to the local government , " said Bambang again . (as the prior sentence in paragraph 2 and 3 is mean Balikpapan government : Parliament and Major not province)

But he could not ascertain whether the proposed change of name of the governor of East Kalimantan has been received by Minister or not . " What is certain is that the full approval of Parliament Balikpapan name change process shortly . If there is a rejection we must reject the calling party who's reject , " he explained .

At the end of the interview , Bambang asked Awang not obtrude Sepinggan rename when Balikpapan Parliament rejected. " The governor should be embraced ( aspirations ) of all parties , " he hoped .

Earlier, Chairman of the Parliament Andi Burhanuddin Solong Balikpapan and Balikpapan Mayor Rizal Effendi ensure Balikpapan Awang Faroek still reject the proposal . For Burhanuddin , Sepinggan name is synonymous with the history of Balikpapan which is now 117 years old. While Rizal admitted that he had requested the Secretary- Vice President who came and see the progress of the project some time ago , in order to reject the governor 's proposal . ( pre / JPNN ) ( as you can see our Major was rejected at first before Governor forced him on the meeting last January 22nd)TetapSepinggan (talk) 01:41, 15 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]


Once again, all government (Balikpapan, Penajam Paser Utara, Kutai Kartanegara, East Kalimantan) and the legislature (you say Parliament) has agreed with the new name (see Portal Balikpapan news - published in February, not January). You don't read the news.

And only the local government can change the name, the authority or the minister can't. The name of the airport has been regulated in the "Keputusan Gubernur Kalimantan Timur Nomor 553/K.37/2014".

I live in Gunung Pasir, Balikpapan and I just tell the truth here (with many references--including your reference). What you say here is contrary with the fact.--120.179.55.204 (talk) 02:37, 15 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I talk directly with our chairman of parliament, he said he didn't agree and he was not in Balikpapan that time, your local media have been set-up to write it was agreed, the fact is No !!!
Not by province who can change the name but Balikpapan parliament. It's only claimed by Governor' side as always in media, cheating every people like you did in this article — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.67.38.25 (talk • contribs) 07:42, 16 February 2014‎ (UTC)[reply]
The Balikpapan parliament has agreed with the new name. --182.15.194.67 (talk) 05:37, 17 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

This dispute already out of hand, those people who demanding to rename of Sepinggan International Airport really blind with their perspective, even they thought even more powerful than people of Balikpapan's voices. So many references has been publish (those link already provided by user Tetap Sepinggan) and there is NO official rename for this airport YET. And this article has been spreading like decease and given so much false information around the world, and this is not good, Wikipedia should be one of the credible source of any information, not source of false and ridiculous junk on internet. I urge admin to justify and lock false information about renaming Sepinggan Airport once for all. Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by 180.254.217.118 (talk) 00:46, 16 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

News posted by TetapSepinggan was published in January, when the local government did not complete the requirement yet. Read the latest news. The name has been changed.--39.209.45.36 (talk) 03:23, 16 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The news is from the authorized Minister of Transportation and very clear, you just don't get it ! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.67.38.25 (talk • contribs) 07:42, 16 February 2014‎ (UTC)[reply]

If there is rejection from people, Minister would not agree. The Governor SK is not valid, it's only claimed from one side, from the governor who is not telling the truth as always in local media since the first time he rise the name change. Wait on the next June and I am off from here, hope the moderator can see the clear fact as it's not legally change but still Sepinggan International Airport. 202.67.38.25 (talk) 07:13, 16 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

You don't read the latest news. The legislature (and all government) has agreed with the new name (read Portal Balikpapan news). You do not tell the truth. New name has been regulated in the "Keputusan Gubernur Kalimantan Timur Nomor 553/K.37/2014".--182.3.95.116 (talk) 08:34, 16 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

We need more reliable sources; there are no signs of consensus[edit]

I've re-protected the article, because the edit wars have started again. I asked for verifiable information, and it's split down the middle: the airport hasn't changed its website, but the news media have reported the name change. I don't see any evidence of consensus being reached, so that means stay with the status quo of Sultan Aji Muhamad Sulaiman Airport. —C.Fred (talk) 03:28, 24 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]


These news has explained that the new name (Sultan Aji Muhamad Sulaiman) has been regulated:


While waiting a minister decree, as we know the minister decree is higher than a decision of the governor; http://finance.detik.com/read/2014/03/03/135143/2513626/4/ini-penampakan-terbaru-the-new-sepinggan-bandara-pertama-dengan-mal-di-ri In the latest news the airport name is The New Sepinggan.TetapSepinggan (talk) 02:21, 6 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

'as we know'? who is 'we'?. It was clearly last month that only local gov can change the name. And the new name has been regulated since the beginning of February. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.174.93.147 (talk) 07:56, 6 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Why you asking that question if you are Indonesian you should know the rules. The fact is Minister Decree is more higher than Governor decision of course because Indonesian airport is established in a ministerial decision. Local Government is Balikpapan government not province. Calm down and let's see that the name will legalize by Minister Decree as happened in Kuala Namu Airport (North Sumatra) and Lombok.TetapSepinggan (talk) 09:11, 6 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Well, your question have been answered before. You still do not understand the procedure. It has been explained on the news posted by you. You ask again about Balikpapan government. It was clear that Balikpapan government also the legislature has agreed with it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 182.4.106.157 (talk) 10:55, 6 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Back again and seems you are the one who don't know the procedure. The Balikpapan Major agreed by political intervention from Governor but The Balikpapan parliament was not agreed and not sign any letter until now, the chairman of parliament was not in the meeting. And the parliament already sent the rejection letter to minister since 6th of January 2014, concerning this rejection letter, minister will considering the proposal of governor.TetapSepinggan (talk) 03:12, 10 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

You are repeating your question. The legislature (parliament) has agreed with the new name (read the latest news).--120.174.189.125 (talk) 22:15, 10 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
A link to a specific news source would be more helpful than just "read the latest news". —C.Fred (talk) 01:18, 11 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Open all news links by Satria before, it is already there. It's clear.

Read the third paragraph on portalbalikpapan.com, also the fourth paragraph on kontan.co.id and koranabri.com (DPRD/legislature agreed with the new name) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.180.120.57 (talk) 00:51, 12 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Congratulation to new Sepinggan International Airport Balikpapan for officially in operation last Saturday, March 22, 2014 with the name still Sepinggan International Airport Balikpapan as we can see from Kompas Newspaper Adverstisement below and Angkasa Pura 1 as the Airport Management informed that they didn't receive any instruction to change or add the airport name from Minister of Transportion; http://i1095.photobucket.com/albums/i469/ryan_azhar/Sepinggan_zps29142a00.jpgTetapSepinggan (talk) http://www.angkasapura1.co.id/detail/berita/921-angkasa-pura-airports-siapkan-sdm-untuk-kelola-bandara-internasional-sepinggan-baru 05:20, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

New name has been regulated since February. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 39.219.116.137 (talk) 06:18, 27 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Based on Minister of Transportation's decree KP No. 647 on July 1st 2014, Sepinggan International Airport has changed name to Sultan Aji Muhammad Sepinggan International Airport — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fakhrizain (talk • contribs) 01:03, 20 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The name is Sultan Aji Muhammad Sulaiman Airport (in Indonesian: Bandar Udara Sultan Aji Muhammad Sulaiman). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mazta2012 (talk • contribs) 00:35, 21 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Update The Picture Page[edit]

I need to change the picture page, because Sultan Aji Muhammad Sulaiman's new terminal building has been built. It will be necessary to show the new one. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AndrePramadhana (talk • contribs) 15:24, 17 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

It isn't opened officially yet.--114.4.23.56 (talk) 07:58, 18 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Protection[edit]

This article needs protection. I added some image and tried to improve the article but some anonymous user keep reverting my edits. Thank you. Calvin Wisanto (talk) 23:17, 8 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Not the airport logo, transit, etc. Revert vandal (Calvin Wisanto).--120.169.255.184 (talk) 23:20, 8 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

This is not obvious vandalism. You should be discussing changes here on the talk page instead of reverting. See WP:EW and WP:3RR. clpo13(talk) 23:21, 8 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I already explained that in the edit summary, he always revert all revisions, so I return it to last version. Not the airport logo, transit, terminated dstn, inappropriate use of img gall., etc.--120.169.255.184 (talk) 23:34, 8 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The current article is outdated. There are some new destinations. I have checked some airline websites to make sure. And why inappropriate use of image gallery? I only want to add image to make the article look better. Lastly, I put the logo of Angkasa Pura because it is the operator of the airport. Thank you. Calvin Wisanto (talk) 05:03, 9 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Once again my edit summary: Not the airport logo, transit, terminated dstn, inappropriate use of img gall., etc. It means Calvin Wisanto's edit is outdated and he always revert all revisions.--120.164.46.44 (talk) 06:01, 9 April 2016
If you look at the revision history, i'm the first one to edit the article. But for some reasons you reverted my edit. Practically, the article is outdated and i want to update it but you keep reverting it back. Calvin Wisanto (talk) 06:11, 9 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
No one care about who is the first one, if Calvin Wisanto vandal the content, I will revert it (with edit summary), and return to last version.--120.164.46.44 (talk) 06:22, 9 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Please be reminded that I am not vandalising the article. I just want to add some images and improve the article to make it looks better. Calvin Wisanto (talk) 06:34, 9 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Once again, he vandal the content, I return to last version.--120.164.46.44 (talk) 06:49, 9 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
For the last time, I am not vandalising the article! Do not accuse me of vandalising the article. I only want to edit the article to make it look better. Do you think that adding images and updating the article is vandalism? Calvin Wisanto (talk) 06:55, 9 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Nothing to be bold here, it's clear, and already explained before. He vandals the content, and he reverts all revisions.--120.164.46.44 (talk) 07:30, 9 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The reason I reverted the revision is because you reverted my edits for some reason. My reason is clear. You are the one who is vandalising since you reverted all of my edits! Calvin Wisanto (talk) 07:35, 9 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Vandal is vandal, whatever the reason you mention now.--120.164.46.44 (talk) 08:04, 9 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Do you hear what clpo13 said? This does not count as vandalism. I was wrong since I am not aware of the three revert rule. But since you are the one who started it first, you are the one who is vandalising the article! You even have a reason of reverting my edits that does not make sense. Why inappropiate use of gallery? I only wanted to improve the article and make it look better. But why do you reverted it? Please give me a valid reason. Calvin Wisanto (talk) 08:20, 9 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Name of airport, revisited: International?[edit]

Is International part of the the official name of the airport? Is it part of how the airport is commonly referred to? This affects not only the introduction to the article but also the title of the article; there have been enough issues in the past with the name of the article, that I don't want to move the article without clear consensus. —C.Fred (talk) 15:31, 22 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

From the website of the airport:[1], it is stated that the official name is Sultan Aji Muhammad Sulaiman Sepinggan International Airport. Therefore, International is definitely part of the the official name of the airport. Thank you. Calvin Wisanto (talk) 15:36, 22 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
That also includes Seppinggan as part of the name. Hence why I see this as a non-controversial page move and want to wait to hear from a broad group of editors about how to go forward. —C.Fred (talk) 15:42, 22 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Seppinggan is only name of the village. Sultan Aji Muhammad Sulaiman Airport, is the offic & most common one. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.164.47.105 (talk) 15:59, 22 April 2016‎ (UTC)[reply]
But the official website of the airport has clearly stated that the official name of the airport is Sultan Aji Muhammad Sulaiman Sepinggan International Airport. Thank you. Calvin Wisanto (talk) 16:03, 22 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, but the article title looks more to the common name than the official one. —C.Fred (talk) 16:21, 22 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
In that case, I think it should be just fine by adding the word International in the article title. This is because other airport articles also have International in their article title. Calvin Wisanto (talk) 16:28, 22 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 22 April 2016[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: not moved. Solid opposition rationales not refuted. Jenks24 (talk) 17:48, 2 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]


Sultan Aji Muhammad Sulaiman Airport → Sultan Aji Muhammad Sulaiman International Airport – Sultan Aji Muhammad Sulaiman International Airport is the official name of the airport Calvin Wisanto (talk) 15:43, 22 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • Not allowed, already explained since 2014. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.164.47.105 (talk) 15:59, 22 April 2016‎ (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. Not the official name of the airport, per the section above. —C.Fred (talk) 16:20, 22 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per above. My comment is that "International" is often included in the title when there is no way to distinguish them from other airports. For example, Indianapolis International Airport has international simply because "Indianapolis Airport" could refer to any number of airports in Indianapolis. Indeed, Indianapolis Airport is a dab page for three of them. Meanwhile, I'm pretty sure there aren't two or more Sultan Aji Muhammad Sulaiman Airports. -©2016 Compassionate727(Talk)(Contributions) 12:39, 25 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Protection 2[edit]

My edits in this article have always been reverted by anonymous users. I believe that this article needs protection. Thank you. Calvin Wisanto (talk) 05:07, 23 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • You are just repeating your vandal edits, return to last version by Tafeax — Preceding unsigned comment added by 112.215.153.22 (talk) 05:14, 23 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    • Please tell me why are you reverting my edits, with a clear and detailed explanation. I have no intention of vandalizing the article. Calvin Wisanto (talk) 05:18, 23 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I am warning you both that you could have been blocked for edit warring. Now then, about the reverts: they seem to be primarily related to images. Let me remind you that Wikipedia is not a gallery to exhibit your photo collection; you should use Wikimedia Commons for that. Images should be used to increase the reader's understanding of the subject (see WP:MOSIMAGES) and not just to "beautify" a page. While the logo and images of the airport buildings may have some relevance, I agree with the anonymous IP that the images with airplanes should not be used. Readers would not learn anything about the airport by looking at airplanes that fly through a blue sky or that are standing on a piece of asphalt. - HyperGaruda (talk) 09:44, 23 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I have changed all the images of the airplane with images of the terminal building. Calvin Wisanto (talk) 17:09, 23 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The destination in the article is outdated. I tried to add new destination with a clear references to make the article up-to-date. But these anonymous users keeps reverting my edits. Calvin Wisanto (talk) 14:05, 23 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Suggestion: change only the destinations—don't change images, don't change logos, don't change reference section formatting. If you change only the destinations and an IP reverts, then it's easier to challenge the IP's removal of sourced material. —C.Fred (talk) 19:00, 23 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I have followed your instruction and it seems that this anonymous users still reverted my edit. Calvin Wisanto (talk) 04:45, 24 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I have checked some of the added destinations on Sepinggan's online departure/arrival schedule and I can confirm that they are true. Could the anonymous IP please explain why he/she keeps removing these destinations? - HyperGaruda (talk) 09:15, 24 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
You are absolutely wrong to check only at one website. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.169.254.181 (talk) 09:29, 24 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, I have checked all four destinations at the websites of the airlines themselves. Tarakan is the only one which should not be removed, the other routes are not part of any of the airlines' networks. - HyperGaruda (talk) 11:38, 24 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I added these new destinations based on the data from Flightradar24 [2]] and Google. Calvin Wisanto (talk) 13:56, 24 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Please somebody stop this people Calvin(Rakha) Wisanto: revert revisions by saying: Unexplained revert. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.169.255.251 (talk) 03:33, 25 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Please provide a detailed explanation about reverting my edits. My edits have reliabe references, yet why you still revert them? Calvin Wisanto (talk) 12:45, 25 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

For some reason this anonymous user still reverts my edit, although I have provided a valid references. Calvin Wisanto (talk) 16:01, 26 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

So I have the valid ref too. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.164.46.172 (talk) 16:14, 26 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Could you both provide your links so we can look at them, and find more if necessary? -©2016 Compassionate727(Talk)(Contributions) 16:37, 26 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Link already provided, and the other is charter. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.164.46.172 (talk) 16:42, 26 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The only already provided links I see are the ones that Calvin is using. Could you provide the urls for both of them? -©2016 Compassionate727(Talk)(Contributions) 17:33, 26 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The other: http://centreforaviation.com/ana.. . Both? The link already provided. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.164.41.76 (talk) 17:45, 26 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

User:Tafeax is disrupting the article now.--120.164.41.76 (talk) 19:56, 26 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Please provide further details on why both destinations shouldn't be listed.Tafeax (talk) 19:30, 26 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Once again, transit: http://www.katakini.com/berita-batik-air-buka-penerbangan-jakartatarakan.html and charter (already explained), not allowed on encyclopedia (WP:AVIMOS). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.164.41.76 (talk) 19:35, 26 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Is that a valid WP:SOURCE? Batik Air allows to book non-stop flight BPN-TRK, thus this flight is exist. I've also provide the flight number as well. Charter or seasonal flight is allowed by WP:AVIMOS and WP:AIRPORT-CONTENT, stating For flights that do not operate year round, add 'seasonal' and For flights that do not operate year round, destinations should be listed on a separate line from year-round destinations, with seasonal destinations listed after the Seasonal label, e.g. "Seasonal: Chicago–O'Hare".. Your explanation was uncalled and not true. By the way, please sign your post!--Tafeax (talk) 19:46, 26 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

You are wrong, use third-party source as your reliable one (WP:SOURCE). Charter is charter. Seasonal is seasonal.--120.164.41.76 (talk) 19:56, 26 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

How do you know I used third-party source to find out both flights? I've made a dummy booking on Batik Air website, and the non-stop BPN-TRK is available. Just found out, Garuda BPN-KNO-JED was a scheduled instead of charter. Refer offical statement from the airline here [3]. --Tafeax (talk) 20:03, 26 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Pheww finally protection was granted! --Tafeax (talk) 20:11, 26 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

What are you doing? Base articles on third-party source (WP:SOURCE). Transit to TRK (already explained), and transit at KNO (Another source: http://kaltim.prokal.co/read/news/227594-desember-garuda-buka-balikpapan-jeddah) are not allowed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.164.41.76 (talk) 20:33, 26 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I don't understand you and your source. You always said 'already explained' but your explanation was immature and incomprehensible. As far as I concern, both flight are bookable on airline's official website. You must be confused with non-stop, direct and transit term. All direct flight (with an intermediate stop/transit) should be listed on destination list, if it bear same flight number. This is applied to GA988 BPN-KNO-JED. While flight ID7271 is a non-stop BPN-TRK. --Tafeax (talk) 20:50, 26 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

No, you are the confused one here, because from the beginning, your source is not reliable (WP:SOURCE). And now you stated that only you who know those 3 terms. Already explained means the source already provided here, you just don't want to read it. If you don't (want to) understand anything about those sources, refrain from editing this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.169.255.206 (talk) 21:08, 26 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Could you specifically identify, which source provided by me is not reliable? Secondly, you never explained, but merely linked to so called reliable source. The problem with your reference, it wasn't on English. I've used the Google Translate and found out nothing wrong with the Jeddah inclusion. The article said, it was a transit flight. Further verification on Garuda website, I've found it was a direct flight bearing GA988. If you found out I didn't understand anything, then why you don't explained instead of giving me the non-English sources? By the way, I didn't made up any term. You may want to read direct flight and non-stop flight. --Tafeax (talk) 21:25, 26 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

WP:SOURCE, Transit to TRK (HLP-TRK), Transit at KNO (KNO-JED). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.164.43.178 (talk) 05:40, 27 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The IP seems to be stuck on the fact that you are using the official website as a source. This is acceptable in this particular instance: the information about what flights exist isn't biased, so you don't need independent sources for that, and the airport is going to know better than anyone where exactly they offer flights to. In this case, the official source is actually the best one. –Compassionate727 (T·C) 12:52, 27 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Both of the links/explanation provided before by Calvin and Tafeax, then Tafeax revert his charter revision. The problem is transit to TRK (HLP-TRK) and transit at KNO (KNO-JED). Independent sources explain detailed information about the flight (not a simple table), they also contain official statements from airline staff. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.164.46.39 (talk) 18:17, 27 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Tarakan[edit]

I really do not understand why the IP thinks that BPN-TRK is not a valid route. Yes, from the point of view of HLP, the route HLP-BPN-TRK includes a transit at BPN, but from BPN's point of view, BPN-TRK is a direct and non-stop flight. I can simply book a flight via Batik Air, check in at BPN and fly directly to TRK. How then is TRK not a destination of BPN? - HyperGaruda (talk) 12:13, 28 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • It's clearly HLP-TRK from the sources (airline staff and passengers). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.169.254.175 (talk) 13:40, 28 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    • However, according to the official website of Batik Air, the route BPN-TRK is bookable. Calvin Wisanto (talk) 14:01, 28 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
WP:SOURCE, already explained too and no however. And stop adding the web text to be the airport logo! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.169.254.175 (talk) 15:05, 28 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
There, happy now? I've added this link to Republika, which explicitly says "Balikpapan menuju Tarakan". - HyperGaruda (talk) 18:48, 28 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

It's the route, the flight is HLP-TRK.--120.161.1.101 (talk) 17:26, 29 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I think you misunderstood what HyperGaruda is saying. After making a dummy booking, I realise that there is flight from HLP to TRK with transit at BPN. However, passengers are also able to book the flight BPN-TRK. Therefore, TRK is definitely a destination of BPN. If you still don't believe me, try to make a dummy booking form Batik Air's official website:[4]. Calvin Wisanto (talk) 15:28, 30 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

[edit]

      • Is there a problem with the logo? That is the official logo of the airport. I uploaded the image directly from the official airport website. Calvin Wisanto (talk) 15:13, 28 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The current official airport logo is not released yet. You are just repeatedly putting mixed of tiny-large web text to be the airport logo. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.169.254.175 (talk) 16:41, 28 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

If the logo is not released yet, then why there is this image in the airport's website? Please, don't just talk nonsense. Try to look at the website before replying me. Also, if you still don't believe me, try to click at the logo. You'll see the image source, which is the website of the airport itself. Calvin Wisanto (talk) 17:02, 28 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

So that's why it is called web text and the image link does not change anything. Btw this is the nonsense one, it's like I never visited the website in my entire life: |Try to look at the website before replying me|. Once again, the current official airport logo is not released yet. Maybe its design will be looks like Sultan Hasanuddin airport, or there will be new design. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.169.254.175 (talk) 18:14, 28 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Your explanation does not make sense. This image is taken directly from the official website of the airport. Therefore, this is definitely the official logo of the airport. Try to check the websites of other airports operated by Angkasa Pura I, i.e: Sam Ratulangi International Airport. They have logos which uses a similar font with this airport's logo. Calvin Wisanto (talk) 03:15, 29 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I can see that you do not really know about the airport, because you continously say the web text to be the logo. The current official airport logo is not released yet. Then you compared with other Angkasa Pura I airport the web text only similar at the font, but the layout is completely different. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.161.1.101 (talk) 17:32, 29 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

If you say so, please prove your explanation by giving a reliable source or references. Calvin Wisanto (talk) 01:37, 30 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I need other editors to intervene in this issue. Thanks. Calvin Wisanto (talk) 15:08, 30 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I'm pretty sure the IP was just trolling us at this point, so I successfully requested to have the talk page protected. –Compassionate727 (T·C) 15:12, 2 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Irrelevant images[edit]

Calvin, you know what I have said about images that do not clearly show the airport. You really should not add them back. - HyperGaruda (talk) 18:53, 28 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

My apology, I have deleted the irrelevant images. But is it okay to add image of the old terminal of the airport? Calvin Wisanto (talk) 03:09, 29 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah sure, old parts of the airport are still part of the airport and can nicely illustrate the airport's history. -HyperGaruda (talk) 11:49, 29 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 20 November 2016[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: Not moved. No supports, and withdrawn by nominator.  — Amakuru (talk) 20:26, 29 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]


Sultan Aji Muhammad Sulaiman Airport → Sultan Aji Muhammad Sulaiman International Airport – The airport is an international airport. Therefore, the word "international" should be added to the title, just as other airport i.e: Soekarno-Hatta International Airport. Calvin Wisanto (talk) 12:20, 20 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@BrownHairedGirl: Please try to look at the main website:[5]. It is stated that the name is Sultan Aji Muhammad Sulaiman Sepinggan International Airport. Moreover, you can also check at the airport thread in skyscrapercity.com, which states that the name is Sepinggan International Airport. Therefore, I believe that the word international should be added. I was also wondering why other airport such as Kualanamu International Airport and Soekarno-Hatta International Airport can have the privilege of having thr word "international" in their name while this airport could not. Cheers. Calvin Wisanto (talk) 14:27, 28 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Firstly, that's a different rationale to the nomination, in which you argued that the airport somehow merited the title.
Secondly, the evidence you offer relates to the official name of the airport. However, policy is to use the WP:COMMONNAME (which may not be the official name), and you offer no evidence that the common name includes the word "international".
Please take a little time to study the policy at WP:Article titles. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 15:41, 28 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. After reading WP:COMMONNAME and doing some research, I believe that the article should not be moved. This is because according to Google, the name Sultan Aji Muhammad Sulaiman Airport is more commonly used than Sultan Aji Muhammad Sulaiman International Airport (You can compare it here: [6] vs [7]). Therefore, the name should not be changed. Cheers. Calvin Wisanto (talk) 14:07, 29 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

"International"[edit]

Some anonymous user removed the word "international" from the article. However I reverted it back and warned him. But he does not seems to care and remove it again. I need other editors opinion in this issue. CWJakarta (talk) 03:09, 6 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@CWJakarta: @202.67.39.21: Given that previous community consensus decided not to move the article to one with "International" in its title, but the airport's official name has "International" in it, I would recommend including the official name and the common name (where it does not have "International") afterward. An example could be "Sultan Aji Muhammad Sulaiman International Airport, known as Sultan Aji Muhammad Sulaiman Airport," then referring to the airport later in the article without the "International." However, despite whoever is right, edit warring and breaking the 3-revert rule both happened here on both sides, and no discussion happened at all before I notified both of you. In the future, please avoid this behavior, and try to resolve the situation through peaceful discussion, or you will be reported and blocked. Zupotachyon Ping me (talk ⋅ contribs) 03:17, 6 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Zupotachyon: Okay. CWJakarta (talk) 03:20, 6 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@202.67.39.21: Could we get your input on this? Zupotachyon Ping me (talk ⋅ contribs) 03:25, 6 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Not sure if this will shed any light on this situation, but JFK Airport is at John F. Kennedy International Airport, LAX is at Los Angeles International Airport, and Reagan National Airport is at Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport. In every case, the former are the "common names" of these airports. Also in every article, the lead sentence starts off with the full name of the airport and not its common name. —Farix (t | c) 14:19, 6 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Checking the airport's website site, seem the correct name is Sultan Aji Muhammad Sulaiman Sepinggan International Airport[8], which should be the name that starts off the lead sentence. —Farix (t | c) 16:40, 6 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
If you are not sure, stop reverting the revision. You are comparing with USA, let us compare with the world, A LOT OF big airport do not use that word. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.67.39.28 (talk) 16:44, 6 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
You don't present an argument as to why starting the lead sentence with the official name is "wrong". Also looking at other airport articles where there is a different official name from the common name to see how it is resolved is very much appropriate. —Farix (t | c) 16:52, 6 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I have change the lead sentence to "Sultan Aji Muhammad Sulaiman Sepinggan International Airport", which is the full name used on the airport's official website. Also, I tagged a number of links as dead and suggest that a review be conducted to either update the links or find alternatives. —Farix (t | c) 18:39, 6 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Málaga Airport, Houari Boumediene Airport, Santander Airport. WP:COMMONNAME--Mazta2012 (talk) 21:01, 6 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Mazta2012: WP:COMMONNAME does not determine the name used in the lead sentence. Also, WP:COMMONNAME is determined by its prevalence in a significant majority of independent, reliable English-language sources. I'll have to look through the archives, but the sources I have seen were not in English. You claim that the airport's website is "outdated". However, when I looked at it, I saw notices as recent as last week. On what bases do you claim that the website "outdated" and that the name on the website is not the correct name of the airport? —Farix (t | c) 17:56, 7 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
WP:COMMONNAME already discussed above, also at other airports. You just looked the airport website once (yesterday), if you really read this talk page you will know it is often outdated (but not 100% outdated as you mean).--202.67.39.25 (talk) 19:24, 7 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I've looked through the sources on the article and in the previous discussion. Many of them are dead links, but only one of them was in English,[9] which was from 2014. The airports name could have been updated since then to the "Sultan Aji Muhammad Sulaiman Sepinggan International Airport" that is currently displayed on the website. However, one sources is not enough to establish a common name per the guidelines at WP:COMMONNAME. But as I said earlier, WP:COMMONNAME only applies to the article name. It does not determine the name used in the lead sentence. Also, you present no evidence that the official website for the airport is outdated. Give that the name changed occurred around 3 years ago, I seriously doubt that the website is as outdated as you claim it to be. For all we know, it is entirely up to date with regards to the airport's information. —Farix (t | c) 21:08, 7 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Same answer for the same question (WP:COMMONNAME, lead, airport web). So if it is contain Sepinggan (old name), it is stil called "outdated", not "updated".--Mazta2012 (talk) 02:42, 8 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
This is the equivalent of "I say so" without offering an actual argument. Wikipedia is based on verifiable information for reliable published sources. Not claims made by editors. If you cannot provide a source that shows that "Sultan Aji Muhammad Sulaiman Airport" is the common name of the airport used by reliable English-language sources, then we will have to go with the name used on the airport's website. —Farix (t | c) 02:57, 8 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
WP:COMMONNAME sources already provided above, also by yourself. But you still stuck on the airport web and asking the same question.--Mazta2012 (talk) 03:23, 8 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Only one English-language source has every been referenced. However, one source is not enough to establish a common name, especially when it conflicts with the English-language name used on the airport's website. The fact that you keep referencing this guideline without providing any other English-language sources shows that you don't even know what the guideline actually says. Let me quote it for you. "Wikipedia generally prefers the name that is most commonly used (as determined by its prevalence in a significant majority of independent, reliable English-language sources)". Note the words "significant majority" and "English-language sources". Now, doing a Google news search, I come up with this English-language article and two other Indonesian language articles[10][11] that use "Sultan Aji Muhammad Sulaiman Sepinggan International Airport". All of these articles are more recent by comparison. Although there is still a chance that some sources still use "Sultan Aji Muhammad Sulaiman Sepinggan", it doesn't look like enough to establish a common name, especially if that name has been changed since 2014. —Farix (t | c) 03:52, 8 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I do not need to put any source since another user already provided them here. Then, you only got one if you just look at the Wikipedia article. I use Google UK "Advanced Search" using exact phrase search and english language only:

5,660: Sultan Aji Muhammad Sulaiman Airport

2,290: Sultan Aji Muhammad Sulaiman Sepinggan International Airport --Mazta2012 (talk) 04:34, 8 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The number of Google hits are meaningless for all the reasons outlined in WP:GYNOT, but more specifically because Google includes many more non-reliable sources than reliable sources. Common name is based on reliable English-language sources. I've reviewed the links above and the sources cited in the article, only one of them is in English and it countered by the English-language source I just provided. So there really is no common name established. But clearly, you don't want to hear that. —Farix (t | c) 04:41, 8 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
And just to show how Google hits are irrelevant, here are the results for the following searches.
  • "Sultan Aji Muhammad Sulaiman Airport": 13,100[12]
  • "Sultan Aji Muhammad Sulaiman Sepinggan International Airport": 14,200[13]
If we take pure Google hits, then Sultan Aji Muhammad Sulaiman Sepinggan International Airport is the "common name" anyways, but that isn't how we determine it based on WP:COMMONNAME.

You do not use Advanced Search. If you prefer to search one by one, I do not know how much internet bill we have to pay (also I am Indonesian/developing country), and how much time wasted. I also excluding some words (to get the reliable one) and .com only. (Google UK Advanced Search)

No Facebook word: 14,000; 1,520

No Wikipedia word: 18,400; 1,730

No Twitter word: 16,500; 1,530

No Youtube word: 17,800; 1,260

No Forum word: 18,600; 1,650

No Blog word: 17,100; 1,490

No Wiki word: 18,700; 1,750 --Mazta2012 (talk) 05:18, 8 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

You clearly didn't read the essay that I linked to you as to why number of Google hits are irrelevant. If you cannot provide reliable English-language sources, then you have no argument. —Farix (t | c) 15:07, 8 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Does anybody object to the rewording of the lede to use this text?

Sultan Aji Muhammad Sulaiman Airport, (IATA: BPN, ICAO: WALL), known officially as Sultan Aji Muhammad Sulaiman International Airport, formerly Sepinggan Airport...

Given that two discussions have clearly ended in consensus against including "International" in the title, and its inclusion is still disputed, I think this addresses the use of "International" while including both versions of the name. Zupotachyon Ping me (talk ⋅ contribs) 21:40, 8 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Shouldn't the "known officially as" part be what starts off the lede? —Farix (t | c) 22:58, 8 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
How about

Sultan Aji Muhammad Sulaiman International Airport, (IATA: BPN, ICAO: WALL), also known as Sultan Aji Muhammad Sulaiman Airport, formerly Sepinggan Airport...

then? Zupotachyon Ping me (talk ⋅ contribs) 23:59, 8 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Málaga Airport, Houari Boumediene Airport, Santander Airport. WP:COMMONNAME @TheFarix: If it is irrelevant then do not do the same thing. The Jakarta Post, Indo Indians, PT Abyaksa Wasa Aksata, Lonely Planet, Rocket Route, Neo Hotels, Angkasa Pura Hotels, Out of Bounds, Indonesia Air, Dragonpass--Mazta2012 (talk) 00:10, 9 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Logo[edit]

@Mazta2012: Can you please explain why did you remove the logo? That logo was taken from the official website of the airport, which is owned by Angkasa Pura I owned by the Indonesian government. Therefore, it is official. I suggest putting it back in the article. CWJakarta (talk) 04:01, 31 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Mazta2012: Please, please and please explain yourself about stating that the logo is not official. You have provided a source, but from what I have seen, that source does not proves anything. If you provide me another reliable and official source, then I might change my mind. I might report you if you are trolling with me all this time. Lastly, I need other editors opinion on this issue. Thanks. CWJakarta (talk) 06:05, 1 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Logo 2.0[edit]

An anonymous user removes the airport's logo because he stated that it is not official. This is definitely not true because I uploaded the image directly from AP 1 official website. I need other editor to intervene in this issue. Cheers. CWJakarta (talk) 09:41, 17 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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