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- 1 No subject
- 2 3-4X Jugatsu
- 3 Moved films out, cut down that portion for this article
- 4 Takeshi in jail?
- 5 Added a couple of things...
- 6 Religion and occupation
- 7 Is this the same guy?
- 8 Source?
- 9 new film
- 10 NPOV
- 11 Jail?
- 12 Shoulder Twitch
- 13 Family section
- 14 some mistakes
- 15 Gohatto/Taboo
- 16 Image copyright problem with Image:Kitanosonatine.jpg
- 17 Filmography is out-of-date
- 18 Response to "Dolls"
- 19 Kikujiro
- 20 Inconsistency
- 21 trivia
- 22 Battle Royale section
EchoProject was wrong fixed the above to actually work and report to the Japanese Wiki --Yottabite 07:13, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
The article explains 3-4X Jugatsu as Third and Fourth of October. If I remember correctly, 3-4X refers to the score of the baseball game.
The title and the first pargraph of this article is written in FamilyName first, Given Name last style ... but all other names are written in Given name first, family name last style. --Fukumoto 17:00, 12 Feb 2004 (UTC)
- I've never seen 3-4X Juugatsu, and can't find any good source about it. It's possible it means both Third and Fourth of October and is in an 'easter egg' as the score of the baseball game or any number of explanations. I reworked all of the names in the article to be Last-First (except for Joe Hisaishi and Ryuichi Sakamoto, who prefer those romanizations of their names). I also reworded some of the translations. --AsianAstronaut 23:22, 2004 Jun 23 (UTC)
Moved films out, cut down that portion for this article
I have moved most of the film information to their own articles, and have subsequently chopped down the amount of information given for each film here. The information that was left (or added in) was supposed to give an idea of Kitano's film career, however all is not perfect. If you see things that look extraneous and should be trimmed, please do so. Also, since it was originally almost just a film by film breakdown, it might be missing a lot of important things (example: Kitano later wrote (in an essay?) that the motorcycle crash incident may have been some sort of subconscious suicide attempt, etc.) Also the formation of Office Kitano.. etc.
Check the bottom of this article for the filmography, which lists all of the major Kitano films, basically ones he had 'control' over in some manner (writing, directing, etc.). There's a lot of overlap in the film articles with this one, since they're were taken from the article before I trimmed out 'extraneous' info. They're also very much stubs, and could use real fleshing out. But, it's a start. ---AsianAstronaut 06:25, 2004 Jun 24 (UTC)
Oh, to add something on quick. I'm trying to think of ways to break down his film career using subheadings... 'Early Career', 'Office Kitano', 'International Recognition', etc., but as the article is set up now it's not entirely clear where it would be good to cut things. Any thoughts? --AsianAstronaut 07:05, 2004 Jun 24 (UTC)
Takeshi in jail?
- Yeah. Also, this article is far too nice to him. I think he's really annoying. --188.8.131.52 03:07, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
- sure, but why don't you forget about Cinema and return to watch South Park? Paris By Night 09:49, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
- I believe he and some of his cronies set off fire extinguishers and generally went on a bit of a rampage inside the offices of a tabloid newspaper after they alleged he was having an extramarital affair. I can't find a source for this at the moment, but I believe this is what is being referenced. It was only for a very, very, short period.
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Qwayfe (talk • contribs) 17:26, 2005 August 6 (UTC)
- It would be interesting to know... Anyway, his yakuza movies are quite good... 惑乱 分からん 13:14, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
- There should be something about Takeshi's gang. I can't find the source at the moment (searching as we speak) but there was a lot of youth unrest and violent behavior as the result of Takeshi's political views and the like. The above story is most definitely true. I also remember a story where Takeshi's crew of disaffected teenagers broke into a studio and raised hell (going as far as to lock the doors and prevent entrance and exit from the building) as the result of Takeshi being banned from the studio following an offensive comedy bit. This needs a source though. If anyone knows, please add it; this is a very important part of Takeshi's personality as the voice of a younger, more vocal, generation.
It seems like there should be an "Incidents" section, which would include this violence against a magazine office, and also the incident where Takeshi almost killed himself by crashing his motorcycle on a Tokyo highway. I believe this happened in the 90's. --Westwind273 (talk) 13:45, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
Added a couple of things...
I added a paragraph under the "Career in Film" section to include information on his forthcoming movies, the irritatingly punctuated "Takeshis'".
I also made some slight modifications to the sections on "3-4x Jugatsu," "Scene at the Sea," "Getting Any," and "Dolls." Qwayfe 13:42, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
- I had to change the paragraph a lot because the movie came out already (in Japan anyway). Since I didn't see it yet I couldn't offer much information. Maybe once a translated version gets out into the world fans will help clear up this mystery. --Do Not Talk About Feitclub (contributions) 17:57, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
Religion and occupation
In the page it's not mentioned that Kitano is also a prolific writer.
This page also make an allusion about a link between Kitano and a strange religion. I read Kitano's book Kyoso Tanyo, a book in which Kitano heavely accuse religion and expecially new religious movements, but he also explain that a God exists and he don't mind about the life on heart. So his attitude towards religion is not unknown: he's agnostic.
- An agnostic wouldn't acknowledge that God exists. An agnostic thinks that we cannot tell whether God exists or not (unlike an atheist, who's clearly believing that God doesn't exist). Also, it seems doubtful that, for a personl ike Kitano, an interview with a controversial cult leader would indicate any strong faith in the cult. Kitano might not be against religion, per se, as much as organized religion. 惑乱 分からん 14:18, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
- I made a mistake: Kitano explains that a God PROBABLY exists, but if God exist, he doesn't mind about people' s life. I think that this means that he's agnostic... But this idea can be read in a lot of ways. Bobbore
Is this the same guy?
Maybe I missed it in the article. Is Takeshi Kitano the same guy who cohosts Takeshi's Castle or better known as MXC or Most Extreme Elimination? In the credits of MXC, it says they get the footage from Takeshi's Castle, that's how I know the name of the japanese show. --Mr Vain 05:17, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
- Yes, Kitano hosts "Takeshi's Castle". It's his castle. He seems to be less respected as an actor in Japan because he started off as a comedian and is also Game show host. In the West, most people just see his persona in his yakuza films, so he is more accepted here as a serious actor. Gram 10:42, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
This page has a link to a source that doesn't exist 
Does this article stray from NPOV?
For example, shouldn't "silence these dissenters" be at least "silence these critics"? There are many other instances. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.108.40.206 (talk • contribs) 12:16, Jun 17, 2007
- More than straying from NPOV it is a case of non-encyclopedic tone - in fact "silence those [...]" sounds like a register proper for an entertainment magazine.--Kiyarrlls-talk 20:17, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
No mention of time served in prison or time spent under house arrest, as is claimed on seperate Wiki PageTakeshi's Castle. This would explain the gap in Filmography. Was he in jail or wasnt he?
- No, the Takeshi's Castle page is wrong. He was arrested in 1986, yes, but he didn't serve a prison sentence.
- There's some biography info (which might be generally useful for improving this article) at http://www.kitanotakeshi.com/index.php?content=biography including this:
Not long after he had become a success with "Takechan-Man" [a comedic superhero character] and thereby had been given a public nice guy image, he would rebel against it. Thus, in 1982, he would begin flashing his genitals on live TV. Another such rebelling stunt was his 1986 attack on the offices of the weekly gossip magazine "Friday". Prior to the incident, it had shown a picture of Kitano with a woman they claimed was his mistress. Kitano became furious and together with Gundan [a group of kids called Takeshi’s army], he broke into the office, beat up the staff members and demolitioned the place. Kitano would later try to excuse the incident as a joke. It happened to take place on the anniversary of the Chuushingura raid, so he and Gundan thought it would make a funny gesture. He also pointed out, that they used fire extinguishers to "spray" the office (in Japanese slapstick they are the equivalent of American pie throwing). While few bought into Kitano's excuse, surprisingly many understood his outrage against the attack on his privacy - they just didn't accepted the way he expressed it.
In light of the pressure from the incident, and the stress which came in its wake, Kitano decided to take a, what would amount to, seven month break from work. While he was away, the producers discussed firing him, even banning him from TV, but when he returned, a public poll voted him the most popular TV celebrity on NHK - and like that, Kitano was back and more popular than ever.The irony of the "Friday" incident was, that in 1987, another scandal magazine revealed the identity of Kitano’s real mistress. And while Mikoko, left Kitano for a period, they decided not get divorced and found together again. In retrospect, it seemed that 1987 was a year of cleaning the table and making new plans, and the most significant was Kitano leaving Ota Productions, the agency he had been with since 1974, and setting up his own agency: Office Kitano.
- Also on that site, in a mini-review of his book Yosei (My Remaining Years):
He was arrested and disappeared from TV for a while. "I thought it's the end of me as an entertainer. The next moment, I started thinking what I should do, whether I should try a different line of work."
- Gram123 14:33, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
I was watching some older stand-up clips of the two beats and noticed that Takeshi has a really noticeable twitch in his left shoulder that jerks his head to the left as well. I did not see anything about it in here, does anyone know about this? I am assuming that due to editing they can avoid showing this in his movies so I never noticed it before. It has nothing to do with the motorcycle accident, these clips were a long time before the accident. Billy Nair 23:04, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
- I'm not sure it should be removed, as it notes that some of his relatives have some level of fame too - i.e. his wife's former job, his elder brother appearing on TV, his daughter's profession. This info could be expanded upon. I've changed the section to "Personal life" and made it into a couple of paragraphs rather than a list. I've also added his kids names to the infobox, and removed the fact that his wife used to be a comedian from there. Gram123 11:10, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
1. Beat Kiyoshi's name is 兼子二郎, Nirou(or Niro) Kaneko. 2. Takeshi Kitano is famous as a singer. he has some hit singles in Japan. 3. Office Kitano isn't a film company.--220.127.116.11 (talk) 12:44, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
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Filmography is out-of-date
The filmography is full of holes, but every time I add anything on Wikipedia some pinhead reverts. Wikipedia... It's "rule by ignorance" here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 18.104.22.168 (talk) 16:25, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
Response to "Dolls"
It says in the article that " Dolls (2002) had Kitano directing but not starring in a film with three different stories about undying love; it met with unfavorable critical and public reception." I find that statement largely disputable - 75% fresh rating at Rotten Tomatoes and 7.8/10 at IMDb can hardly be called unfavorable. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 22.214.171.124 (talk) 05:07, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
- ... and Metacritic gives it a 71. I've changed it from "unfavorable" to "largely favorable". Unless someone can come up with a ref to show it wasn't well received in Japan - in which case the distinction between receptions in different countries should be noted.
- However, whilst aggregators like Rotten Tomatoes and Metacritic have their uses, I wouldn't put any faith in IMDb user ratings... Gram123 (talk) 12:16, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
I think more could be said of Kikujiro (2000) which he directed and starred in. I think its easily one of his top 5 films and shows the common themes of his directing career. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 126.96.36.199 (talk) 09:04, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
From infobox: Born January 18, 1947 (1947-01-18) (age 63)
First line in Biography: Kitano was born in Umejima, Adachi, Tokyo in 1949.
Battle Royale section
An IP editor (who seems to edit from different IPs), insists on including a long discussion of the ultimately failed possibility of making a US remake of Battle Royale. The discussion is largely a copypaste of the same discussion in the Battle Royale article, in violation of WP:CWW. The user has shown no reason why a film Kitano only appeared in demands such a long discussion, one that is longer than any discussion of Kitano's own films and which is not even included in the article on the director, Kinji Fukasaku. Before the user again reverts my edits, he/she should justify the inclusion of such tangential material here. Michitaro (talk) 02:57, 14 July 2013 (UTC)
- User:Michitaro has reverted text on the apparent premise that either Kitano's work as a director is more important than his work as an actor, or that Kitano's work as an actor is more trivial than his work as a director. User:Michitaro also wishes to ignore and excise all reference to the widely reported controversy which surrounded the film Battle Royale as a result of its multiply cited clashes with the plot of the film release of The Hunger Games. Kitano's work as a director is comparable to his work as an actor, and both deserve to be respected. The presently existing one sentence perfunctory reference seems to trivialize a respect for Kitano which he has earned as both an actor and as a director. In the spirit of consensus here, it is possible to include an even shorter edit in order to at least acknowledge the controversy which surrounded the film. User:Michitaro's comment about the Fukasaku wikipage is also misplaced since the incomplete and tiny page for him does not mention over half of Fukasaku's films, which are all enumerated, including Battle Royale, in its concluding film summary box. 188.8.131.52 (talk) 04:21, 14 July 2013 (UTC)
- My edit had nothing to do with disrespecting Kitano's work as an actor. The point is that whether Battle Royale is remade in the USA has very little to do with Kitano's acting, unless you can prove that Kitano's role as an actor was the dominant factor in whether the remake was or was not made. Otherwise, this is a very tangential issue that in no way warrants multiple paragraphs. An additional sentence or two may be due, but not that long copy paste. Those interested in the Battle Royale issue need only click to read about it in the film's article. It does not belong here. (By the way, you seem to be editing from multiple IP addresses. I encourage you to create an account.) Michitaro (talk) 04:48, 14 July 2013 (UTC)