Talk:Trans-Karakoram Tract

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The Article does not mention why Pakistan acceded that Land[edit]

While the mention has been made that Pakistan has acceeded some 5000 sq km to China in 1963, but it does not mention why government of Pakistan deemed it necessary

As no one gives up a portion of its self just for nothing . Can anyone (who knows the answer)please shed some light on it

Hussain 15:06, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

I vaguely recall it might have been because China provided help in Pakistan's nuclear program, allowing them to build their own nuclear weapons. --Yuje 17:09, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
I was wrong, after doing a bit more research on the details, the border came as the result of a compromise over a disputed area of sovereignty in the area. Pakistan got control over about 750 sq. mi of grazing lands and salt mines, access to all passes along the Karakoram range, two-thirds of the K-2 range, and three-quarters of the peak of K-2, including the summit. They probably agreed to split control of the area along the peak, the highest point, and the part that China got was the part north of the summit. Source is "Ramifications of the China-Pakistan Border Treaty", Pacific Affairs, Vol. 37, No. 3, 1964. The treaty is not final, but subject to final settlement once the whole Kashmir dispute is solved. Chinese help in the Pakistan nuclear program came much later. --Yuje 11:03, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

China did help Pakistan militarily soon after it ceded territory to China, that is why the Karakoram highway was originaly built. China at the time was still developing its nuclear capability so nuclear weopens were not on the radar at that time and Pkistan also had the US as its ally in the cold war besides India tested its first nuclear device in 1974 that is when Pakistan felt the need for developing nuclear weapons, and china obliged to help. Pakistan ceding the region of Shaksgam to China was part of a strategic alliance against India- a traditional rival of Pakistan- and a now a new enemy of China(after 1959 when it resented Chinese presence well within its borders in Aksai chin and after it gave sanctuary to Tibetan government, Dalai Lama and thousands of Tibetans who had to India after China occupied Tibet)

China wanted Northern half of K2(the second highest mountain in the world) under its control it was too close(a few hundered kilometers) to the uyghuir oooops sinkiang(one more occupied land).....and pakistan was too needy to siphon off the land of Raja of shigar(a part of Jammu and Kashmir) to an alien nation(china) that didnot even have claim to Sinkiang and Tibet, the countries that were traditionally neighbors of Ladakh and Baltistan and were illegitimately occupied by China.

Bhutan has also been bullied by China to cede territory on its(undefined according to China, eventhough the border was there for centuries) border with Tibet. China did the same thing wih Aksai chin(part of Ladakh kingdom) as it needed that for building roads from newly occupied Tibet to Sinkiang, in this case India had the nerve to resist and suffered a humiliating defeat in a conflict that still lingers on. Nepal on the other hand was too small so china got the nothern face of Mt. Everest on a piece of paper from the poor Nepalese. Now the third highest mountain Kanchenjunga was in Sikkim(indian protectorate) near the Nepalese border again less than a 100 kms from the Tibetan border but this time it was beaten in its own game by India and the majority of Sikkimese that voted to fully join India rather than suffer the fate of Tibet, Uyghuir, Inner Mongolia etc. China didnot recognise Sikkim as part of India until 2004 only after getting a statement form the Indian gov that Tibet is part of China(never mind Dalai Lama and the Tibetan gov in exile living in India). A country that is in reality 2000 kms away(the real China without Tibet and Sinkinag) is asking for territories from countries that border the countries that it now occupies. Who said expansionism and colonialisn was dead. Pakistan relented and so did Nepal. Kazakhstan and Kyrghyzstan have also ceded land to China after the collapse of the Soviet Union. Lets see how long Russia, Tajikistan, India and nations bordering the south china sea can hold off. China's hunger for land (where it can move Han chinese from the east and dominate for ever) seems insatiable. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 19:28, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Administered by Pakistan?[edit]

The infobox and categorization suggests that the tract was administered by Pakistan before 1963. There are sources that indicate that it was considered part of its territory by Hunza at various times before 1947, but are there sources for any actual occupation or administration by Pakistan between 1947 and 1963? --Mhockey (talk) 11:21, 23 August 2010 (UTC)