Template talk:Infobox music festival

Color(s) talk(s)

By mid March I started as an initiative to add color on this infobox template that really needed one. We all now that color help for identification on wiki, espacially to very used category and now the list of music festival is important. But may be the big innovation was plein colors in designation and fields? As soon as my edit was finished it was reverted as ugly cause it got plein colors. Though full colors are not forbidden and sometimes used in wiki, the grey tone or shades of a same color are more often prevalent. It could have been a good start to escape the general Wikipedia gray tone at least in an infobox. But two female persons disagreed. Are female allergic to colors? and even if they represent 50% of population, and i had no male manifestation, I agreed ten days after to modify my earliest edit consequently. (take it easy if you are female I like you all) But that's just fun to see the two different reverting females reverting my edit with so few arguments but always repeating: awful, god-awful.. That's definitly a lack of diplomacy. Whatever some day wiki will have to change...

Sorry if my english is not appropriate or mistaken but I don't have energy to look up dictionaries for now. The main idea is in it.

Just want to say that everything new or not common can be schoking and condemmend at first sight, like repeated in history. Don't have much time for this wikiwar. Dominiquewikki (talk) 12:12, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

I don't see what the color helps to identify. This isn't {{Infobox album}} which covers a bunch of different types of things...This infobox only covers 1 thing. It certainly doesn't "really need" colors if they're just used for decoration. Dozens of infoboxes on Wikipedia have no colors and get along just fine without them. Your first round of edits applied bright, garish, contrasting colors that, aside from being totally unnecessary, simply made the infobox harder to read. Also, please tone down the sexism in your comments. Whether someone agrees or disagrees with your edits has absolutely nothing to do with what sex they are. Besides, you're wrong: I'm male (I'm guessing you just made an assumption there, because if you'd checked my user page it says so right in the upper right corner). And I certainly don't have to be Martha Stewart to tell that this looks god-awful. --IllaZilla (talk) 13:52, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

OK dear you, thanks for commenting. I am happy that you are a man, I will not say that it saved my life but good. So the point is that you don't like colors or instead is there a color that you like?

That's a fact that on english wikipedia many topics do not have a designated color.
Some users advocate the abolition of color altogether. We disagree with this, but we do acknowledge their point: do not employ anything that does not serve a purpose. (There is, however, a clear need for color: the main page uses it to allow the user to focus onto one aspect of a relatively "busy" space, and notices use it to bring attention to themselves.) Citation from: Wikipedia:WikiProject_Usability/Color#simplicity

The list of music festival articles is certainly around 350+ on wikipedia and this is largely a way to focus on this community of articles and even a child can understand what this means by color identification but maybe you are to old now? Or no kid around you to explain you. School colors, Color scheme.

Now what I propose you is to come to an agreement. This template could adopt his own color but it can also adopt the color of a larger category like music maybe.

Further more I don't see how it can be harder to read a title? If it was true Wikipedia would be in black and white.(except if color blinded-->that's why high contrast is needed: Some readers of Wikipedia are partially or fully color blind. Ensure that the color combinations used in Wikipedia (infoboxes, navigational boxes, graphs, etc.) have an adequate contrast: Cited from Wikipedia recommendations); I invite people there to leave their opinions. I don't see the point with Maria Who? and a sandbox and I think I don't want to know. Now give better arguments or i think I revert again. Thanks again for your reply

P. S.: What about sexism? You should be ill if you think what I said what sexism, I was just joking about a fact. But maybe this is not written in english: (take it easy if you are female I like you all).Dominiquewikki (talk) 17:25, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

Sorry but I don't see what bunch of things album covers: It only covers albums lol. Differents albums from different authors, just like Music festival covers different music festival from different cities and country. It is not just about what a music festival is. I think you missed something. Now I have answered all your text I see no reason for not reverting to color. See the template it is nice. Dominiquewikki (talk) 00:21, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

No, {{Infobox album}} covers many types of albums: studio albums, live albums, compilation album, demo albums, video albums, EPs, etc., which are distinguished from each other by the use of different colors. This infobox covers only 1 type of thing: a music festival. It doesn't have any sub-types (ie. "indoor music festival", "touring music festival", "European music festival") that would need to be distinguished from one another by use of colors. Most infoboxes that only apply to 1 type of thing do not use decorative colors: see for example {{Infobox film}}, {{Infobox video game}}, or {{Infobox person}}.

As for your above comments, your remarks like "Are female allergic to colors?" are sexist, and remarks like "even a child can understand what this means by color identification but maybe you are to old now? Or no kid around you to explain you" are somewhat ageist. Of course I understand that colors can be used to signify things, but there is no one color that is going to indicate to readers that "this infobox is about a music festival", or distinguish it from any of the hundreds of other infoboxes on Wikipedia. Ultimately I see no strong argument for requiring a color banner in this infobox.

Finally, please do not revert to your preferred version without establishing consensus for the change. Consensus doesn't mean "give better arguments or i think I revert again". It means coming to a reasonable agreement through discussion and compromise. Clearly there are at least 2 editors who disagree with you that this infobox needs some sort of color banner. That demonstrates that there is no consensus (as yet) for the change. --IllaZilla (talk) 01:03, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

Are female allergic to colors was just humour but as we say in french: On peut rire de tout mais pas avec toulemonde. I never seriously thought that female were allergic to color. I explained you, and you continue to charge me with this. What is your problem? Do you hear something? What about ageist? A simple remark make birth to great words. Should we use asceptic language on wiki, no image no comparison, no humour. Is it time to be no human yet? Apart all this, I really try to understand your point of view to arrive to a possible consensus but I don't understand why you say there is no one color that going to indicate to readers that this infobox is about a festival I think that for the color chosen a light yellow, people will recognise it every time they go on a music festival page.

May be you are not interrested by this topic but some people really visit this page list of music festivals, each time they would click on a festival, they can get the infox if implanted, and the recurrence of the color may help for identification. Dominiquewikki (talk) 09:32, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

How does light yellow indicate "this is about a music festival"? It's the same color used by {{Infobox single}}, for example. That's what I mean when I say that there is no one color that is going to signify to readers "this color means music festival"...there are hundreds of infoboxes on Wikipedia using dozens of different colors, so there is no one color you can pick that is going to stand for just one topic.

As for list of music festivals, if one is clicking on links from an article of that title then common sense says that they're expecting to arrive at articles about music festivals. A recurrence of a color is not necessary to identify that things listed under music festivals are music festivals. One's understanding that the links in list of music festivals lead to articles about music festivals would not be greatly enhanced by the use of colors. --IllaZilla (talk) 19:16, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

Is it possible to include 2 images

I'm currently trying to improve Glastonbury Festival. The infobox includes the logo but I think it would be nice to include a photograph as well (probably of the main stage but there are loads available). Does the syntax of this infobox include the possibility of adding a second image (perhaps by |image2= or similar)?— Rod ^talk 08:57, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Request for more variables in this infobox

I would like to propose extending this infobox template with the following items:

• number of editions held ("Editions")
• number of days the festival in its current form typically lasts ("Days")
• total capacity (and daily capacity in parentheses)
• highest ever attendance (plus year in parentheses)

Also I support the above request to be able to include both a festival picture and a logo picture.
-- 84.106.90.249 (talk) 10:12, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

Agreed - capacity in particular would be useful. Crookesmoor (talk) 08:55, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

added |attendance= and |capacity=, days seems to be weakly redundant to |dates= and |editions= seems weakly redundant to |years_active=, but if these are important, feel free to enable an edit request. anything that is in {{infobox recurring event}} can be easily added here. Frietjes (talk) 15:42, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

Nominated for deletion

Please add the deletion parameter {{subst:tfd|type=sidebar}} to the page. I have nominated the page for deletion here and can't add the parameter, because I am not a template editor or admin. Greetings, r a y u k k. 17:56, 3 October 2015 (UTC)

 Done Paine Ellsworth ^{(talk-contribs)}  06:25, 4 October 2015 (UTC)

Please remove the TfD notice. I have closed it as keep. BethNaught (talk) 08:14, 24 October 2015 (UTC)

 Done -- John of Reading (talk) 08:28, 24 October 2015 (UTC)

Organizer

Please add the |organized= parameter. For some reason, it is not implemented, although it is specified in the docs. The new version is in the sandbox. GregorB (talk) 14:19, 18 November 2016 (UTC)

Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit template-protected}} template. |organizer= was added to the doc but never implemented. — JJMC89 (T·C) 17:26, 18 November 2016 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 16 April 2019

Please include the "organized" parameter from {{infobox recurring event}} for use in this infobox. Currently, the music festival infobox only offers the ability to enter information about the founders, which inherently are less important than the company that promotes, organizes, and runs the festival on a recurring basis (the founders may not even be currently active with the festival). Y2Kcrazyjoker4 (talk • contributions) 17:44, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

 Done – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:49, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

RfC on naming countries in infoboxes

A RfC which may affect this infobox's |location= parameter has been opened at WT:WikiProject Music#Naming countries in infoboxes. Please add your comments there. —Ojorojo (talk) 17:17, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

site.com

Can something other than site.com be used as an example external link? (example.com, perhaps) We really shouldn't be driving traffic to Salesforce.com. Deli nk (talk) 21:22, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

 Done – Jonesey95 (talk) 21:43, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 25 June 2024

Add

| logo         = {{{logo|}}}
| logo_size    = {{{logo_size|}}}
| logo_alt     = {{{logo_alt|}}}
| logo_caption = {{{logo_caption|}}}

below name and above image

–Tobias (talk) 09:04, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit template-protected}} template. Sohom (talk) 13:39, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

To editor Tobias: this ibox already has an image parameter, so I'm curious as to why you think it also needs logo parameters? P.I. Ellsworth , ed. ^{put'er there} 19:39, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

An image is not the same as a logo. We have other templates that contain both an image and logo parameter, such as Template:Infobox company, Template:Infobox company, or Template:Infobox amusement park. Festivals usually have a logo, Nevertheless, it is beneficial to provide readers with an additional photo of the festival itself, just as we do for companies and amusement parks. –Tobias (talk) 19:52, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

I could agree with your last sentence; however, I checked about ten of these and found some with photos in the image parameter and some with no images at all. None had any sign of a separate logo except Summerfest in Wisconsin USA, and that logo was just placed in the image parameter. I could not confirm your "Festivals usually have a logo" statement, sorry. P.I. Ellsworth , ed. ^{put'er there} 11:16, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Summerfest
File:(Logo was removed because it is a non-free image that can only be used in mainspace.)
Miller Lite Oasis
Genre	Alternative, Americana, bluegrass, blues, contemporary, country, electronic, folk, funk, gospel, hard rock, metal, hip hop, indie, jam band, jazz, pop, R&B, reggae, rock, zydeco
Dates	11 days (Starts last Wednesday in June annually)
Location(s)	Henry Maier Festival Park Milwaukee, Wisconsin, United States
Years active	1968–2019, 2021–
Attendance	445,611 (2022) 409,386 (2021) 718,144 (2019) 766,192 (2018) 831,769 (2017)
Website	summerfest.com

While those logos may not always be uploaded to Commons, nearly every festival has a logo, typically their name with a special design (e. g. Coachella, Mayhem Festival, Rock the Bells, Rolling Loud, Warped Tour, or Tomorrowland). Of course, a suitable picture isn't always available. However, this doesn't change the fact that it is technically useful to provide both a photo and a logo. Even if Google, Nintendo, and Tesla theoretically did not have a suitable image, it wouldn't mean that the parameter is redundant in their templates, as other companies might have both, or these companies could potentially have them in the future, you know? Additionally, some festivals already bypass this template because it lacks parameters like the logo, such as Lollapalooza or Voodoo. I just don't see a reason not to include a logo, as it won't harm any page that simply omits the parameter if it has no suitable logo or image available. On the other hand, festivals that can provide both an image and a logo could finally use the more specific template without making any compromises. –Tobias (talk) 11:41, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

In general, this template does not seem to be an improvement but rather an incomplete and laborious version of Template:Infobox recurring event, though I doubt that was the initial intention. –Tobias (talk) 11:44, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Funny you should mention the Infobox recurring event template, because I just noticed the {{Wraps infobox}} box at the top of the documentation, so it seems that there should be a way to use the logo parameters in that template if it wraps this template. P.I. Ellsworth , ed. ^{put'er there} 11:56, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Yep, that's partially true and the idea of wrapping another infobox, usually to avoid confusion by too many parameters from the original template. To add a discrete logo, you still need a logo parameter in this template; otherwise, it won't work yet. –Tobias (talk) 12:08, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Seems redundant. Here's the same info from Summerfest but using Infobox recurring event instead and an added image as well. It appears that one can just replace this template with the recurring event ibox without losing any info. P.I. Ellsworth , ed. ^{put'er there} 12:26, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

That much is clear. But why changing to another infobox instead of just adding one simple parameter to an already existing one made specifically for festivals, if the article is about a festival? –Tobias (talk) 12:35, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Otherwise, we could just nominate this template for deletion and switch all festivals to recurring event - which seems like a quite reasonable option to me as well. –Tobias (talk) 12:37, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

It would be easier to just outright redirect this template to {{Infobox recurring event}}, because it calls that template but only uses some-not-all of its parameters. P.I. Ellsworth , ed. ^{put'er there} 13:09, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Yes, that's an idea I could settle with. –Tobias (talk) 13:49, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

 Completed. There are other similar redirects. P.I. Ellsworth , ed. ^{put'er there} 14:18, 27 June 2024 (UTC)