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Short Beach (Oregon) article

What's with deleting the references? I did a fair bit of work to find some for the article, and you pulled them -- why? The web site is real, the newspaper is real, and the article needs references!

I intend to put them back, but I'd like to hear an explanation. Dismalscholar (talk) 05:02, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

Golly. I might be misinterpreting, but your tone seems a little hostile. Also, it was a long time ago, so don't forget to link to the article in question so it's easier for me to check into the problem. Let's take a look. These are the edits I made to the article: this one moved the article for disambiguation purposes, this one cleaned up and formatted the article, this edit removed an odd and seeming random bit of uncited information, and finally in this edit, I removed some seemingly randomly placed things. I see now that you placed that information by way of providing references, but since there were not formatted properly, and were provided as general references instead of as citations for individual facts in the article, I chose to remove it. I see now that I may have been hasty, however, it would be more helpful if you could use the proper citation format--including the title of the article--do you have it?--and use that ref to cite each fact in the article that it backs up. General references are OK, but citing each fact makes it easier for people who work on the article later to see what facts come from what source. Here's an example of how to format the ref
<ref name=Herald>{{cite news |url= |title= Short Beach trail blazer |work= [[Headlight-Herald (Tillamook)|Headlight-Herald]] |date= November 26 2008}}</ref> Which makes this[1]:
  1. ^ "Short Beach trail blazer". Headlight-Herald. November 26, 2008. Retrieved 2011-06-12. 
You don't necessarily need the url but it is helpful for checking references, so if you can find it that would be great, or maybe you have the actual clipping? Otherwise, we need as much info about the source as possible, including the title of the article and the author, if any. This helps with verifiablity. And the trail website doesn't really seem to add anything and is fact more of a blog, and blogs are not considered reliable sources. I'll add a couple citations in the meantime, but more would be helpful. Sorry if you felt bitten, let me know if I can help you with any formatting issues, and please assume good faith. I hope this helps. Valfontis (talk) 05:30, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

Sorry about the tone. I have a mood disorder, and sometimes I can't tell I'm snapping at people until I read my own stuff later. You did better than I did with the Headlight Herald article, finding it online -- that should go back. As for the project site, I looked at that as more depth to the Headlight article. Formatting... some days I can do triple-integration vector calculus, other days anything with more than one set of parentheses hits me as sufficiently complex I'm thoroughly stymied. Dismalscholar (talk) 21:15, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

Monterey Furniture

Hi Valfontis,

"Monterey Furniture" I didn't write about what we do or anything regarding what we do -- The reason I posted a link to our pages on the conservation is that they contain so many pictures of the furniture, and so many people come to our pages anyway regarding this and ask us about Monterey Furniture, and the NPS is good enough to allow us to post so much info, where many museums will not allow that freedom. What I wrote about was the many different kinds of Monterey. We are EXPERTS (35 years) in our field, which is museum conservation, and yet we are not writing about us or conservation (Wiki won't allow people in their field to write about what they do.). I can't see how we can benefit from this, as we are well-known anyway. I wrote this as a service. I was going to offer some good images up to wikipedia that are ours to give if we like (I took them) but if that is seen as self promotion then I will not.

"Chateau at the Oregon Caves" and the "Crater lake Superintendent's House" -- I corrected the articles on the Chateau and the Superintendent's Home at Crater Lake because the information was wrong. I originally wrote a good article on the Super's house at Crater Lake (and we had a very small part in that whole conservation projects, which involved many disciplines) and someone took it down and rewrote it and got it wrong. WRONG information. I have given up trying to really correct it, though I did say the original furniture is in the super's house, and corrected a badly formed sentence that didn't make any sense. I COULD offer you the whole story on the process, which is one of the most interesting things, and is an encyclopedic review of what happened (I was only a very small part of a five-year project) because i also have a background in architecture, but you folks won't let me. So I moved on.

Someone had linked to our site and the link was wrong.

So if I can't write about what I know what can I write about? What I don't know? I sited two very good books on the subject, but did not site the articles I wrote -- because that is seen as self-promotion, even though I can't benefit (all the benefits I could have are already done). I know self-promotion, and believe me, if you think wiki is that for us then you should try googling Monterey Furniture. We are on the first page anyway, and this was simply a give back. I don't see the self=promotion. YOU guys linked to our site -- I just hate wrong info out there, or no info at all. Kate Powell — Preceding unsigned comment added by Katempfc (talkcontribs) 04:09, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Sorry to give you the wrong impression. The {{uw-coi}} template I put on your page is just a friendly reminder, since your username indicates a connection with the company you are writing about. I didn't see anything wrong with your edits, but I feel it's important to let users who *may* run into trouble with promoting their company see our guidelines (the blue links in the template) about conflict of interest right away. Please read them if you are interested, you will see that there is in fact plenty of room for the type of edits you wish to make. I hope this explains, Valfontis (talk) 04:40, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
Thanks -- The first time I tried to write I did pretty much the same and an editor took the whole thing down, so I thought this was what was happening again. I added three images which we are giving to Wiki; I took the photographs, and think I did it all correctly, giving it and someone should site me as the photographer. I am finished with the page but they won't let me move it; i am confused as to how to put it on the list to be moved, even thoguh I went to the page (backlogged). If you can help there please do. Thanks again. Katempfc (talk) 12:11, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
The Monterey Furniture article has been moved into mainspace. Let me know if you need anything else. Valfontis (talk) 13:43, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Benjamin Wistar Morris, III

Materialscientist (talk) 08:03, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Nice work! I enjoyed spotting this on the Main Page, and then tracking it back to you ;) -Pete (talk) 15:59, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

The DYK was a nice surprise to come back to! Someone had to sort out the three generations of Ben Morrises (the first one apparently was George Washington's beermaker). Both articles need to be expanded, hint hint. Valfontis (talk) 20:18, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

Welcome back!

Thanks for helping clean up the recent gubernatorial stubs. On one hand, it's nice that someone is trying, but geez, I'd like to see some improvement in the attempts. Maybe I should drop a friendly note on the contributor's talk page, though it doesn't look like he is paying attention to that. Oh well, at least it gives focus to my otherwise endless supply of possible unwritten topics. --Esprqii (talk) 20:23, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

Lane County, Oregon

FYI, it appears that Camp Creek is near Zigzag, Oregon, which puts it near Mt. Hood, not in Lane County. In any case, I'm not finding a wikipedia article about Camp Creek, although Google turns up a number of hits. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 05:39, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

I searched GNIS. There are numerous creeks so-named in Oregon (and two in Lane County), but no locales or populated places. There was a Camp Creek P.O. in Lane County, which is the only thing in the entire state that would qualify as Camp Creek, Oregon (and possibly the reason the anon added it to the Lane County list)--according to Oregon Geographic Names it existed from 1871 to 1922 in several locations, but post offices are not inherently notable, so a more compelling reason for an article is needed. According to GNIS, the one in Clackamas County (besides a creek) is a recreation site. Valfontis (talk) 05:58, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
Aha. I'm aware of other places that used to exist that were nothing but post offices, and generally it would be pretty hard to write an article about such an entity. Bridal Veil, Oregon, might be an exception to that rule. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 06:08, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
Exactly. Though Bridal Veil had more raisons d'être than apparently Camp Creek did. I looked around and there was a church, a cemetery and a school in the area but I haven't found anything that indicates there was anything like a town center, more like they were strung along the creek valley (turns out there are 4 Camp Creeks in Lane County). If I run out of other redlinks, I may look into it more, but I think there are still dozens of other places that need an article worse than this one! I elect Finetooth to write an article about the creek and add the community info there. Valfontis (talk) 06:29, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
Good idea. And he can supply the pictures (assuming it's possible to take more than one, of a town so small). ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 06:32, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
According to this 81-year-old photographer, there is no school anymore, so maybe it would just be pics of the cemetery and church. Valfontis (talk) 07:00, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
Random comment, I believe one of the Camp Creeks you're discussing is the main river the Barlow Road follows for a ways (a tributary of the Sandy River). My understanding is that it was the main camp the Barlow/Palmer party established as winter was beginning to set in -- I assume that's the origin of the name. Can't say I know anything about other CC's in Oregon, though. -Pete (talk) 14:05, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Holy Camp Creek (Sandy River), Peteman... Valfontis (talk) 17:27, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

Muir Elementary School

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Port of Tillamook Bay Railroad

Looks good. You have some pretty good research skills, it appears. Anyway, more than a week ago I submitted a DYK nom for the article here, and it still hasn't been reviewed. You're welcome to suggest a new hook with the new information if you want, or review it if that's not against the rules (COI). Jsayre64 (talk) 13:34, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

Just a hint about interacting with others--I'm sure it wasn't your intention, as tone is hard to gauge in this medium, but your compliment comes across as funny (some might even see it as condescending) considering I'm 43 years old, have a college degree, and have had numerous jobs, including the one I have now, where I use my research skills every day. I've also been paid to copy edit, including for the laws of the State of Oregon, and that included ensuring their accuracy. Regarding the DYK, I probably don't have time to work on it today, but I'd suggest that the source used doesn't really say the line was abandoned, especially not the entire line. Also I'm more interested in how rugged the terrain is through that canyon--did you read the el I added where the surveyor talked about how far they had to hike in to reach the destroyed tracks? So a hook about *why* it would be so costly to replace (and hence probably won't be) might have more drama and interest. Valfontis (talk) 17:17, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
It was meant to be a compliment, and I didn't know your résumé. About the DYK, I proposed a new hook that gives a bit more detail about the damage in 2007. It also adds that it occurred mainly in the Salmonberry River canyon. I'll use the el you added as a ref for more info. for the article. Jsayre64 (talk) 18:31, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

Much thanks for the speedy assist on Foghorn Stringband

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Thanks for the start on Foghorn Stringband.

  • I was wondering what would be the quick and dirty method of getting a good photo in there?
    • Go see them. Take a photo. Upload it Commons. ::grin::
    • See if there are any free use images on Flickr
    • Write the band, get permission to use a photo, deal with the WP:OTRS stuff
  • We also need a photo at Benny Williams. Somebody told me it was legal to take a promo shot at lo res if the artist was deceased, because you dont have an opportunity to take one anymore.
    • I'm not good at image copyright stuff, so you'll have to ask someone else.
  • I know Sammy and Caleb and the boys would not mind so if we get to using the band logo can an email to me suffice for permission or does the email have to go to admins at wiki commons or what?
    • Again, I'm not good at that stuff, but generally you don't need permission to use a logo on an article about the company (band) whose logo you are using.
  • Maybe you have a photo you took??
    • Nope, haven't seen 'em for a while.
  • I have a flyer for Foghorn Leghorn on my hard drive. I wonder if that is legal to use?
  • Meanwhile, would you mind marking Benny Williams as patrolled? It is still yellow-blocked and that makes me would suit me to be auto-patrolled. Wonch take a look at this backlog.
    • I don't mark things patrolled unless I have time to clean them up also, and this article, as you noted, needs some copy editing. And I'm not a subject matter expert on music genres, so I don't feel qualified to clean up your backlog. Sorry!

Note that while you have provided references for Foghorn Stringband, there is still nothing that shows how they are notable, and two of the references are from booking agents and should probably be replaced eventually. Valfontis (talk) 00:28, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

I appreciate your detailed response, but they make me feel grumpy.
  • From booking agent yes but quoting a secondary. I thought we were long past notability. They are one of the most influential bands in the State of Oregon. Gee whiz. I am glad at least you didn't template it. I think I will stay away from starting articles on bands for a while. 02:29, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
On Wikipedia we can't take anyone's word on notability, it has to be proven using reliable third-party sources. That's just how it works. Otherwise the whole project would be cluttered up with everyone's garage band, so we have to hold all articles to the same standard. It should be easy enough to find several reviews in the press. See WP:BAND, as I mentioned on the article's talk page, for what we will need. Templates have their place too. If you don't like templates, brush up on your Wikipedia skills! Valfontis (talk) 02:42, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
WP:DTR Templates suck. People slap them on where they don't belong and they become pointless. Better to have detailed bulleted discussion point. BTW if you ever care to reply at my talk page you might find the suggestions in my edit notice to be of some value. You can click Edit and take a look without necessarily posting, but it would be nice to know you have read it just as you would like people to read your READ ME it might be courteous to also read what mine has to say. GeoBardRap 03:00, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
I'm sorry, I didn't realize I needed to reply at your talk page because you replied to the conversation here. And I've been busy the past couple of days. Generally I prefer to keep conversations in one place. I read your page notice, and am curious what provisions of it I have violated.
WP:DTR refers to slapping templates on people's userpages. I thought you were referring to the maintenance templates placed on articles. All I was saying is that if you find your articles are getting templated, there might be a reason. I do note, and please do not take this personally, that your writing generally seems to be in need of copyediting. Therefore, it might be, theoretically, better to work on an article in your userspace and perhaps get some help from other people before you move it to mainspace, thus avoiding the templating problem.
Meanwhile, since I posted my previous message, I found several independent international reliable sources for the Foghorn article, including at least two non-trivial ones, and evidence of more than one international tour, plus one major label album, which should satisfy two-and-a-half of the criteria of WP:BAND (the standard is two major label albums), which should pacify all but the most hardcore deletionist.
Therefore, I think our main mutual interest, making sure the Foghorn article is not subject to deletion, has been completed. I don't wish to be dismissive, but it appears I rub you the wrong way, so perhaps you would find a more congenial person to collaborate with elsewhere. Forgive me if I've misinterpreted. Let's keep any discussion about the Foghorn article on the article's talk page from now on. I've also replied briefly there, but I've decided to recuse myself from any further editing of the article. I hope your other articles get the attention they deserve. Take care, Valfontis (talk) 04:18, 19 July 2011 (UTC)


I'm back from the hinterlands, where I was incommunicado for a while. Edgar M. Lazarus is interesting, a good addition to the encyclopedia. Finetooth (talk) 21:16, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

I hope you took pictures! Thanks! I'm in touch with Ed Teague (heads up architecture fans--I'm in touch with the curator of the Building Oregon ["Boundless"] archive and he's very supportive of what we are doing), and he pointed me to his research on Lazarus. Turns out the Ritz book, which was my main source, is slightly dodgy in its scholarship, so I have to make many additions and corrections, though I took out the most glaring errors. Valfontis (talk) 21:31, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
P.S. Thanks for the commas. I get lazy about those when I'm not getting paid to be consistent about them. There's also that global comma shortage you may have heard about. Valfontis (talk) 21:42, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

Triple Crown jewels

Your majesty, it gives me great pleasure to bestow these Triple crown upon Valfontis for your contributions in the areas of WP:DYK, WP:GA, and WP:FC. Thank you for all your contributions to the project! – SMasters (talk) 00:14, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
Cupandcover.jpg This user has a Triple Crown.

Glide Ranger Station

Hi, I see your edits to Little River which provide info about linked Glide Ranger Station, an article i just started, as it may support another article that is under AFD pressure. I would be grateful if you would add to the Glide Ranger Station article. --doncram 12:49, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

WP Oregon in the Signpost

"WikiProject Report" would like to focus on WikiProject Oregon for a Signpost article. This is an excellent opportunity to draw attention to your efforts and attract new members to the project. Would you be willing to participate in an interview? If so, here are the questions for the interview. Just add your response below each question and feel free to skip any questions that you don't feel comfortable answering. Other editors will also have an opportunity to respond to the interview questions. If you know anyone else who would like to participate in the interview, please share this with them. Have a great day. -Mabeenot (talk) 01:38, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Re Bank of California Building (Portland)

The Category:Bank buildings on the National Register of Historic Places in Oregon is a recently created category containing several articles. Hugo999 (talk) 11:55, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

OK. That article was the only entry when I removed the cat and it had been a couple of hours since you had tagged it and it was still a redlink. I figured you were mistaken that the category already existed. Though it's fine to start creating a category by adding articles to it first, rather than adding it to categories first, it's better to deredlink it fairly soon after creation. You may of course replace the category. But I always wonder why splitting these things into ever finer categories is going to help our readers navigate the encyclopedia: Category:Bank buildings that are contributing properties to historic districts on the National Register of Historic Places in Oregon with cast iron facades that face northwest. Just kidding. That's a whole other discussion that needn't take place here. I am powerless to stop the cats. Valfontis (talk) 15:17, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

Suggestion to pull WikiProject Idaho under WikiProject United States

I just noticed that you changed the status of WikiProject Idaho to inactive and thought I would drop you a note. A couple of users have suggested to me (along with several other projects) that adding the Idaho project to the list of projects supported by WPUS might be beneficial. I just opened a discussion on the talk page of the project about that suggestion and will leave a note on the talk pages of each of the active members of the project to get their input. If there are no objections I will begin adding the project in the next couple weeks. Feel free to comment as well if you like. --Kumioko (talk) 20:13, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

I'm not a member of the project, but there's some overlap between Idaho things and Oregon things so I keep on eye on it. So adding it to WPUS seems like a great idea. At least so if someone asks a question on the talk page, they don't just hear an echo! Valfontis (talk) 21:04, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

Does anybody really know what time it is?

Unfortunately not time travel - just never read the date stamps before - nice catch. Skål - Williamborg (Bill) 05:03, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

Bloucher, Oregon


AKA: Bloucher Spur

Union Pacific Railroad Stop in Historic Hood River County Is /was: Bloucher There is a Train Sign Posted at Stop and always has been. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MauriceJCooper (talkcontribs) 01:30, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

I know it's there, it's certainly a place name:
"Bloucher (historic)". Geographic Names Information System. United States Geological Survey. November 28, 1980. 
but as far as I can tell, it was just the name of a station on the Mount Hood Railroad west of Odell, named for H. E. Bloucher, and not a community, per se. If you have more info on the history of the place, feel free to create the article on it. Otherwise, there isn't much point including it in the county list, which is supposed to be a list of Wikipedia articles and not just a compilation of information. We try to keep the redlinks on those lists down to entries for articles that have some potential to be more than a sentence or two. But if it becomes a blue link, there's no reason not to include it. By the way, it's OK to link directly to the urls of the searches you've done, like this one:,ftc,3,fid,1158129,n,bloucher.cfm though you should note that hometownlocator just gets its information from the GNIS that I linked above. Most other online content also just uses info from GNIS. Valfontis (talk) 04:20, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the catch on Hatfield

Thanks for the catch on Hatfield and 'The Family." I'm glad I was reluctant to do the edit of the article since the two groups were obviously blurred in my mind. I did edit my comment as you suggested. --Calan (talk) 02:27, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

Awesome, thanks. Valfontis (talk) 04:20, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

Divide, Oregon

I see you created a dab page, Divide, Oregon. I bet you didn't realize, but I already listed the two places at the dab page Divide, so I don't think the new dab page is needed. Jsayre64 (talk) 04:33, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

You're absolutely right. How silly of me. Valfontis (talk) 04:54, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

now that's speedy!

I can't even get a db-c1 in edgewise! --Esprqii (talk) 22:08, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

Dunno if I followed the proper protocol, but I hate when they overbreed. Valfontis (talk) 22:48, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

your changes to Clatsop Community College

context Actually these are my words as the College's public information officer. And they're not from the website. (talk) 18:17, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

OK. Don't forget to log in. I don't have time right at the moment, but your text needs to be integrated into the existing article rather than the new text being added beneath the old text. Don't worry if you don't understand all the Wikipedia markup (though note the title of the article should remain bolded using ''' on either side. Someone else will come along and clean up if necessary. But please do be aware of WP:COI and watch to make sure the wording is neutral and doesn't unnecessarily "sell" the college or its programs. Look at the other community college articles for how to do this. Though I can't guarantee all of those articles are well-written, it is a good place to start. Valfontis (talk) 18:31, 29 August 2011 (UTC)


Hello, I notice that you were a member of the Hoedads. I have no connection to the group but have an interest in documenting their efforts and legacy here. I'm wondering if you know of any sources of information about how/why the group disbanded. There is a lot of good information out there (some of it in print only) about the origins of the group and its emergence as a major cooperative in the 1970's but rather little on how it ended. May I ask what years you were in the Hoedads and what information sources you consider most to be reliable about this group? Thanks. SONORAMA (talk) 21:21, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

I worked part of a summer in the early 1990s on one of their wildland firefighting crews and was not a member of the co-op. The print sources are probably the best ones, including the book I added to the article in the further reading section. I believe there is also a piece in a book about the alternative press in Eugene in the 1960s, I'll have to see if I can find the title. As far as it ending, I think it was the usual greed and infighting that kills many a cooperative venture, but I wasn't really privy to all that, and it was a long time ago. I can ask my friend who works for a company that is kind of an offshoot of the Hoedads, but since it's finally fire season I'm sure he's busy. Sorry I can't be of more help but definitely try to get your hands on the print sources. The Oreqon Quarterly article is currently online and is a decent primer. Valfontis (talk) 22:12, 31 August 2011 (UTC)
The consensus seems to be that the co-op disbanded in 1994, according to a Google search. Not all of these are reliable sources but could be a start for further research. And of course there's this: Not sure who is behind that or if it can be considered the "official" version. Valfontis (talk) 22:45, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

Eugene, Oregon addition


You incorrectly marked my insertion into the Eugene, Oregon page as spam. I added an Online section under Media and included Eugene Daily News in it. Eugene Daily News has 6000+ local Eugene readers (check on, 600 stories, 33 writers, 4 editors and is a hyper-local online News source. This is 2011 - and Print, TV and Radio aren't the only media sources.

Kelly Asay <e-mail address redacted> (talk) 22:07, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

It's 2011? Where has the time gone? But no, I was not mistaken. Please read about what we consider Spam on Wikipedia. You have a conflict of interest regarding this edit, and Wikipedia is not here to provide advertising space for your company. If an editor who is not affiliated with your company chooses to add a link to the website, I will revisit its suitability at that time. But generally listings in the media section are reserved for media that are notable enough to have an article of their own. I do not believe your company would pass notability, as defined on Wikipedia. Also, please do not edit war. Feel free to get a third opinion, but it's likely they would tell you the same thing. If you'd like to contribute to the project, I'd suggest signing up for an account and contributing content rather than links. Valfontis (talk) 23:08, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

A beer for you!

Export hell seidel steiner.png Please accept this brewski in apologies for our edit conflicts while working on Hairdresser! :) Thanks for contributing to the article (and improving on my poor grammar!)! SarahStierch (talk) 22:07, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
Mmmm. Beer! No worries. I saw the note about the article on the GenderGap list and couldn't resist tampering with it. Strangely enough, I hate going to the hairdresser. I like beer though. :) Valfontis (talk) 22:39, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
Two of my favorite 'pedians, from opposite sides of the country, gettin' a litttle rowdy at a Thursday happy hour. It's seeing moments like these that keep me comin' back! -Pete (talk) 13:50, 16 September 2011 (UTC)


It sounds like a made-up name, but apparently Airlie, Oregon was a rather important place in the early days of Willamette Valley rail transport. Who knew!! See a redlink on Oregonian Railway, but there's more detail in a OHQ article I'm transcribing: wikisource:History of the narrow gauge railroad in the Willamette Valley What do ol' Lewis & Lewis have to say on the matter? Any other info or stubs my favorite place-geek could provide? -Pete (talk) 18:30, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

Ah yes, the Earl of Airlie's place. I knew! I can take care of it tonight. See also Macleay, Oregon and Donald Macleay. Rich Scots investing in the Oregon frontier and getting now-Podunked places named after them. Who knew? Valfontis (talk) 19:10, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
More nuggets in the sandbox here. Watch your step. Valfontis (talk) 19:15, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
Pic, Aunt Betty's friends. Nobody seems to be mentioning which Earl. I think it must have been the 10th one. Gotta run, more later. Valfontis (talk) 19:23, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
10th. And he was two-timing us: Kinbrae, Minnesota. Valfontis (talk) 20:02, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
I spotted that sand pit right after placing my original message..I should have guessed you were already on the case!! Looks like some good info yer diggin up. I'll be traveling tomorrow, so it might take a few days before I can compile 'n' C-class-ify it, but I aim to do so ASAP! Thanks! -Pete (talk) 06:27, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

West Memphis Three

Can you please get it straight about the West Memphis 3? You said all the families support them but that's NOT true! ONLY 2 support them and one is a step dad but the biological dad does NOT support them. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 14:55, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

I'm confused. Can you show me a page diff showing where I said any such thing? I believe all the work I've done on the article is to clean up existing text and remove uncited information. And I actually haven't looked at the article for a few weeks, I think. Thank you. Valfontis (talk) 16:32, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

picture time

I said what I meant and I meant what I said... Now get your bike up there and snap some shots! --Esprqii (talk) 20:01, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

P.S. And adding a couple more bytes to Larry Norman's article has long been a dream. --Esprqii (talk) 20:04, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
Up the hill? In the rain? I took the picture that's there now, what more do you want from me? Geesh. Nag nag nag... Valfontis (talk) 20:23, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
I think I already have Moody and a pic of the exterior of MCAM. I'll try to get around to uploading those as soon as I fill Aboutmovies giant order for Early 1970s Legislator bio transcriptions... Valfontis (talk) 20:58, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
OK, I'm taking a number. I am also curious about that city view. I wonder what it was like in 1893. --Esprqii (talk) 21:05, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

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NRHP table format

Just checking that you are aware of the discussion at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_National_Register_of_Historic_Places#Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2012, concerning changing the format of the NRHP county tables. The underlying format may change, but the output in the county lists looks the same! In any case, your input could be useful. Smallbones (talk) 15:38, 29 October 2011 (UTC)