User talk:Gavia immer/Archive 2

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List of the day

I noticed you voted on the List of the Day proposal. A new one has been made and your comments are welcome. The Placebo Effect 02:00, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Re:---- (book)

Apparently, if you find this redirect useful, many other people may think the same and use ---- (book) when searching the item. Harmless redirect at worst, has been restored. Never mind me. :) Regards, PeaceNT 06:23, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

No problem. The target article's topic is a weird one any way you look at it; I can understand people thinking it just came out of left field. Thanks for reconsidering yourself. Gavia immer (talk) 14:59, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

"MOS:" shortcut namespace

Please stop deleting those shortcuts; that pseudoname space has been around by consensus for a long time, and there is nothing "non-standard" about them. — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont] ‹(-¿-)› 17:53, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

I'm not actually deleting the redirects, of course (I'm not an admin). All I'm doing at the moment is delisting them from shortcut boxes (and making an incidental fix related to the #ifexist issue). There's a current discussion of these at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for Discussion#MOS:_and_related_non-standard_shortcuts|]] (which the nominator has unfortunately not done the proper tagging for), and I happen to agree that these can and should generally be replaced by shortcuts with the WP: prefix instead. If my edit summary was what got you riled up (seems like that was part of it), then I apologize. I'm done with these changes; feel free to change them if you see a need, though. Meanwhile, please do be aware of the discussion going on about these redirects as well (and feel free to contribute your opinion, of course). Gavia immer 18:03, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
The issue is that you are pre-emptively depopulating something up for XfD. That is a big no-no. Similarly, we do not remove articles from categories that up at CfD in hopes or anticipation that the category will be deleted per a deletion nomination we support, nor blank-out or redirect articles that are at AfD because we think they should be deleted (or in a broader example, we do not execute murder defendants before trial has concluded because the alleged crime was terrible and we think the accused is probably guilty).  :-) In the Wikipedia context, such depopulations have an unfair sway over the outcome of the XfD (as in "oh, someone's already deleted it, so we might as well close the XfD as 'delete' to avoid the bother of undoing the pre-emption", or even "I wasn't aware of this page, and now that I look at it I see that it is blank/unused/empty, so it must serve no purpose, so I will !vote 'delete'". So, I'm not "angry" or anything (much less about an edit summary; my point there was that because a XfD nominator labels something "non-standard" does not make it automatically so), it's just an important procedural point. — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont] ‹(-¿-)› 19:41, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
PS: I have listed at TfD some redirs you created just now that do not follow the / and # conventions for redirects. Just want you to know that it is not punitive or personal in any way (I didn't even mention you, in fact). — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont] ‹(-¿-)› 19:45, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
Okay. In case you're currently watching this page, I wanted to let you know that my internet connection is currently in meltdown, so I'm not likely to be too available right now; don't take this as avoiding communication, please. More of a response if my connection stablilzes.Gavia immer 20:22, 9 December 2007 (UTC)


Yeah, I guess it was your lousy edit summary that caused me to do that. I haven't been looking at the article much, but as I recall the whole "possible" suicide section as made for cases in which the suicide was disputed. I recall Cobain being repeatedly removed from the article because some insisted it wasn't a suicide. I guess I thought you were one of those who not only thought he didn't kill himself, but that it wasn't even a possiblity. There should be some entry for disputed suicides, though I really know little enough about the issue to know if it's only the complete crazies who believe it was murder or if there actually is some legit doubt. I guess I don;t care anymore. In any case, having his suicide disputed does not per se accuse Courtney Love, if that is a concern. Do what you will with the article; I won;t revert anything. -R. fiend (talk) 17:34, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Just a couple of notes: 1.) Yes, the possible suicides section is there for legitimately disputed suicides, but in this case, it doesn't seem to be legitimately disputed. Absent evidence to the contrary, it's just an example of everything being disputed by someone, somehwere. 2.) It happens that the version you restored did say that Love "might" have murdered Cobain, which is an accusation right there. I don't blame you for this, I blame my lousy edit summary - but you should be aware of it. 3.) The whole list, in general, could stand to have more eyes on it, if you have the opportunity. It's better than it used to be, but still needs work. Thanks again for reading. Gavia immer 18:01, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
Looks good. I guess I didn't notice the Courtney reference; you have a good point there. I care little enough about the Cobain controversy to know whether there is a legitimate dispute; I just know there is a dispute (maybe that's worth a note somewhere? I really don't know. Do I recall there being a book published on it?). I'll try to keep an eye on the list in the future, but lists like this are always full of problems. -R. fiend (talk) 20:59, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
Unfortunately, your last sentence is entirely correct... Gavia immer 14:18, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

M-1 Carbine Revert War

The M1 carbine article is currently on lock down. An administrator has requested some discussion from memeber of the Firearms Wikiproject. Can you take a look? Sf46 (talk) 19:10, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Your rollback request

Hi! I regret that I must inform you that your request for the rollback permission has been denied. You can discover why by checking the archives at Wikipedia:Requests for rollback/Denied/January 2008#Gavia immer. RFRBot (talk) 14:45, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

I have granted you request. ONLY use it to remove obvious vandalism--Doc g - ask me for rollback 21:22, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
Thank you (seriously). I do plan to use it only when necessary. Gavia immer 18:09, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion

Hi. I noticed your votes in the Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion. Can you please vote in the Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion#January 8 cases as well? It's been 2 weeks and for some reason the cases don't close. Friendly, Magioladitis (talk) 15:39, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Will do. I didn't realize those were still open. Gavia immer 16:05, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

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RFD Closures

When closing a RFD nomination as keep, please remember to remove the {{rfd}} tag from the actual redirect. I've taken care of these. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 23:52, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Gleep. Yeah, I completely spaced on that; thanks for bringing it to my attention. Shan't happen again, though of course in general I don't close keep results anyhow, only housekeeping stuff. Thanks for cleaning up my mess ... Gavia immer 13:16, 11 April 2008 (UTC)


My apologies; this was my first time processing one, and I had followed the cue of another editor who added it to the HP dab page. I have since found out he was wrong toadd it, and I was wrong to select the miscellany for deletion. I apologize if my mistake harshed your calm. - Arcayne (cast a spell) 19:21, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

No problem. Just be aware for the future that redirects in general go to RfD. It's legitimate to delete project-space shortcuts, by the way, but the standard is relatively high, because they are useful to the project in general. If you choose to nominate such redirects in future, do please be aware that you need a thorough rationale for doing so, otherwise it turns into a mess like the one we saw here. I've got no comment on the dabpage issue in general, except to say that edit wars are always bad, and that's an edit war. Hopefully all of the involved editors can bring it to a resolution. Gavia immer 13:37, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Removal of old threads from village pump

Hi, Gavia immer. I see that you removed some very old threads from the village pump pages that were not signed, so they had not gotten automatically archived by miszabot. Thank you for doing that. I noticed that you did not drop the threads you removed into the associated archives. I took care of the vpa stuff, but then it occurred to me that maybe this is something that should be done. As I am not familiar with accepted practice for this situation, any clarification that you could provide would be appreciated. --Gwguffey (talk) 01:45, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

I can only tell you my practice - in general, when I see threads like those that have sort of percolated to the top, I rarely archive them, for two reasons. Firstly, since those threads only stick around if there are no timestamps at all in the whole section, the majority of those old threads are trivial - no responses, no evidence that anyone cared to respond, and no indication that the thread creator even came back to their original posting. I don't personally feel we need to keep an archive of those. Secondly, I don't do this on any kind of regular schedule (I do it when I get annoyed by the accumulated threads at the top of the page), most of the threads I delete have been up for longer than we guarantee they'll be visible in the first place, even in the archives. So I personally don't worry about it. You'll notice that I did leave the foundation notice in place, since it was clearly meant to stick around - so long as one observes common sense for things like that, I don't think archiving is needed. However, please remember again that that's just my practice. There's no blanket policy on this kind of cleanup, so others may disagree - and if you want to put things in the archives, it's not going to break the project, so you should go ahead and do it. Gavia immer 13:31, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
Makes sense to me. Thanks for taking time to respond. Happy editing. --Gwguffey (talk) 15:34, 21 May 2008 (UTC)


Thank you for your comment on the Deletion Review of ZuluPad. In response to your recommendation, the reason I've brought it to deletion review is that an administrator is refusing to allow it to be re-added to Personal Wiki unless it has it's own page (ZuluPad), which that administrator deleted. That is why I am asking here to allow ZuluPad to be re-created, so it can appear in both places. --Omeomi (talk) 14:06, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Regarding your comment "Speedy close" on the Deletion Review of ZuluPad, I have just posted a new draft version of the ZuluPad page here, complete with sources cited: User:Omeomi/ZuluPad. I would appreciate it if you would review this page, and consider altering your recommendation to allow the ZuluPad page to be created. --Omeomi (talk) 04:10, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

re: Beatsbox

Thanks for the update. I'll keep watching the page. Rossami (talk) 22:10, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Template:African American topics → Template:African American topics (sidebar)

Hi. How is the above potentially controversial? Sardanaphalus (talk) 15:30, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

"Controversial" in this context just means that there's a good chance that people might disagree with it – for example, in this case, I disagree with it. Any controversial move (remember, "controversial" just means that people might disagree with it) needs to be discussed, especially if it gets reverted, as this one was reverted by myself. By the way, while there's nothing wrong with asking me questions here, it's best to keep the discussion in one place (at Template_talk:African American topics), so that's where any followup related to this template should go. Other matters, of course, can be discussed elsewhere. Gavia immer 18:30, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

  • Okay, I've responded to your comments there. Sardanaphalus (talk) 00:31, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Antaresia childreni

As the move is likely to be contested, I strongly recommend posting a notice at Requested Moves to get wider community input. Kafziel Complaint Department 18:21, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Done. My internet connection was crapped out earlier (Murphy's law - it always seems to happen halfway through the process...), but it's there now. The reminder was appreciated nonetheless. Gavia immer 18:24, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

When formatting...

Hey there, I appreciate your work, formatting articles. It's a good thing and someone has to do it. Just a minor thing, you need to be more careful when making edits like you did to Rise and Fall, Rage and Grace. On your formatting edit you converted a "-" within an image link, thus removing the image from the article. Just so you know for future use. Have a nice day and keep it up! So#Why review me! 07:00, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Eep... Yeah, I didn't mean to do that. I've been mostly doing this work to remove the deprecated rating-# templates in favor of just using {{rating}}, with the other fixups happening because I have the opportunity; it seems I wasn't looking closely enough at the dash conversions. My apologies. I'm going to be doing more of this work, but I'll watch to see that I don't make that mistake (or a similar one) again. Gavia immer 13:18, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Also, you've been placing em dashes into personnel listings instead of en dashes (as per WP:ALBUM#Personnel)... = ∫tc 5th Eye 14:16, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

The tool I'm using should be placing endashes - but I'll check the next article I touch to see if that's true, and if it's not, I'll quit relying on the automated replacement for them. My apologies if I got this wrong. Gavia immer 14:21, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
Right - it appears that if there are already existing — HTML entities in the track and personnel listings, the script is converting them. I'll start manually fixing these to use endashes instead. Gavia immer 14:27, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Joey Jo-Jo "Junior" Shabadoo listed at RfD

An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Joey Jo-Jo "Junior" Shabadoo. Since you had some involvement with the Joey Jo-Jo "Junior" Shabadoo redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion. -- Suntag 16:49, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of Homer Simpson (disambiguation)

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A tag has been placed on Homer Simpson (disambiguation) requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A1 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is a very short article providing little or no context to the reader. Please see Wikipedia:Stub for our minimum information standards for short articles. Also please note that articles must be on notable subjects and should provide references to reliable sources that verify their content.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding {{hangon}} to the top of the page that has been nominated for deletion (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the article meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Lastly, please note that if the article does get deleted, you can contact one of these admins to request that a copy be emailed to you. Waterden (talk) 22:01, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

No offense, but did you read the page before you tagged it? How about the page title; did you read that? It's a disambiguation page; disambiguation pages are often short, and that isn't a flaw. Moreover, disambiguation pages don't fall under the "short article" criterion of A1, because they aren't articles in that sense; it isn't meant to apply to them. Please use more care when tagging things for deletion. Gavia immer 22:10, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Main Page redesign

The Main Page Redesign proposal is currently conducting a straw poll to select five new designs, before an RFC in which one will be proposed to replace the Main Page. The poll closes on October 31st. Your input would be hugely appreciated! Many thanks, PretzelsTalk! 08:55, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Requesting removal of IP hardblock

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Your request to be unblocked has been granted for the following reason(s):

Autoblock of lifted, IP is now blocked for anon edits only.

Request handled by: Gwen Gale (talk) 23:32, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

I wanted to let you know I saw this. I'll probably grant you IP block exemption, but I'm not sure why Gwen hardblocked that range, so I want to ask a checkuser for advice first. Sorry for the delay. J.delanoygabsadds 22:48, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
You should be all right now. Click here and see if you can edit. J.delanoygabsadds 23:31, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
Yep, I can edit with no problem now. Thanks (both of you) for taking care of it. Gavia immer 14:31, 29 October 2008 (UTC)