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DYK for Social Foundations of Thought and Action
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DYK for Faith and Health: Psychological Perspectives
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DYK for Original Goodness (book)
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DYK for How to Start a Revolution
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DYK for Love Never Faileth
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DYK for From Dictatorship to Democracy
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DYK for The Politics of Nonviolent Action
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DYK for The Making of a Teacher
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DYK for Conquest of Mind
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DYK for Krishna Prem
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DYK for Ladakh International Film Festival
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DYK for Indra's Net (book)
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Hi Presearch. We probably won't agree on the value of Malhotra, but again I get the impression you're a nice fellow. So, a friendly token. Best regards, Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 13:55, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
Thank you for the friendly token, Joshua. Likewise, I appreciate what seems to be your friendliness, and your genuine good intentions. Let me also point out what I suspect is common ground shared by you, me, and Malhotra: All three of us, I suspect, are non-Hindutva — recall that Malhotra describes himself as a non-Hindutva Hindu. I regard such a claim as completely realistic, since I know many non-Hindutva Hindus, as well as non-Hindutva non-Hindus, who, like Malhotra, perceive and are appalled by phenomena that Malhotra identifies and criticizes. I hope that the broad sectors of people who feel similarly will all be able to express their views without being pilloried as Hindutva.
I would also encourage those who believe in the interconnected cosmology of Indra's Net to apply it consistently: Don't apply Indra's Net to most phenomena, but indulge in a Promethean approach to understanding Buddhism and the Buddha himself, pretending that the Buddha did not arise in an (admittedly somewhat degenerate at the time) Hindu culture. The Buddha, while a great creative genius, has also sometimes been called a "child of the Upanishads". These ideas need not be in conflict. Both from the standpoint of Indra's Net and from the standpoint of modern cultural studies scholarship, the presence of a Vedic inheritance seemingly should be a default stance for studying and representing the Buddha, as well as for discussing his legacy. There is plenty of room to give credit to both Hinduism and Buddhism. But I agree with Malhotra that the predilection of recent western scholarship has been to give more credit to a (conveniently Promethean) Buddhism, and deny it to Hinduism. I think this is a mistake that should be corrected and will in time be corrected, and I hope you will do your part (with time available), as a person of good will, to help correct it.
I would add that the notion that Hinduism has suffered from some remarkably poor scholarship (mostly by Westerners) in the past 40 or 50 years is not inconsistent with how scholarly fields can sometimes run aground. In such cases, even when scholars get their facts correct, they can look at the world with astonishingly narrow blinders: Consider, for example, the case of behaviorism, prior to the onset of cognitive psychology. From this perspective, Malhotra is analogous to a cognitive revolutionary who seeks to correct a field run aground in narrowness. Not that the cognitive revolution is the last word. --Presearch (talk) 20:23, 11 April 2014 (UTC)
Hi presearch. Thank you for your kind reply. I'm aware that the political divisions in India are complicated, which is also reflected in the discussions at Wikipedia. There's pressure on the article on India Against Corruption to remove Arvind from it; it appears, to my surprise, that those people also reject Vivekananda.
Did I mention already Geoffrey Samuel's "The origins of Yoga and Tantra" to you? Samuel argues that Jainism, Buddhism and the Upanishadic tradition originated in the same cultural milieu, in northern India. With, indeed, a strong Vedic influence, but also non-Vedic elements. From what I've understood about it, making strict distinctions between "Buddhism", "Hinduism", and "Jainism", is not very useful; they are various manifestations of a broad cultural complex. Which is illustrated by the spread of both buddhism and "the Hindu synthesis": both spread from the north to the south of India, and to south-east Asia.
I think that the metaphor of Indra's net applies better to Indian culture as a whole, including Buddhism and Hinduism, but also, I guess, Islam, and the influence of the west.
Regarding the "poor scholarship": I see something different, namely a correction of the popular understanding of Hinduism, which is strongly influenced by Vivekananda and other "neo-Advaitins". I can't regard Malhotra to be a compensating factor here; his depiction of, for example, Rambacharan's work i suggestive and, therefor, incorrect. But this is the area where we disagree.
Anyway, I appreciate the details of your edits, and your carefull sourcing. Best regards, Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 06:55, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Indra's Net (book)[edit]

slakrtalk / 09:58, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

Indra's net[edit]

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It's a moving book, isn't it? Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 18:46, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

That book discussion[edit]

There is no need to apologize or feel embarrassed; you have the right to your opinion, whether that be supporting or merging whatever proposal there is. If, theoretically, one of us supported/opposed a proposal and we were wrong, it isn't breaking any sort of rule because everybody is allowed to be wrong. I just logged in after a Wikibreak of a few days and found that I had made several large blunders which were pointed out while I was gone. It happens to all of us. MezzoMezzo (talk) 03:13, 20 April 2014 (UTC)