User talk:HistoryofIran/Archive 8

ani

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Slatersteven (talk) 17:20, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

Unasked advice

Hi HistoryofIran. I'm hoping I can convince you to stop engaging with the IP at RSN and ANI. I think the way they've been bludgeoning the discussion and refusing to hear objections is disruptive. I think it's clear at this point that your responses to them aren't going to make things better. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 14:23, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

Advise appreciated. Thanks Firefangledfeathers, you're right. --HistoryofIran (talk) 14:25, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

Caspian Languages descended from Median, Semnani from Parthian

On Wikipedia, there is no information about the languages spoken by the classical tribes of Mazandaran. Since Gilaki is linked with the Gelae, Manzadarani with the Tapurians, and Gorgani with the Hyrcanians, all Caspian languages, which are descended from Median, does that mean the ancient tribes were also descended from Medians? The List of ancient Iranian peoples article lists the tribes as separate from the Medians, while the Tapurians originally spoke a Northeast Iranic language, so is it possible they adopted the language of the Amardians who dwelt in Tapurestan before them and that evolved into Mazandarani? If so, the Western Iranian languages article should display them as such. And what about the Kurdic and Zaza-Gorani languages? Are the CadusiI people also descended from the Medians, thus their languages also descended from Median, or is there another case? Are the Adhari languages also descended from Median, since Atropatene was originally a division of Media, and what about Zoroastrian Dari? What makes that language a Northwestern language and not a Persic one? Also, Sivandi in the Western Iranian languages article is listed as Northwestern, while the page itself lists it as Southwestern. Also, why are the Central Plateau languages of NW Iranian listed as Kermanic if the Carmanians were SW Iranian and not located in Central Iran? I apologise if I sound naive, but I have held in a lot of questions since I saw conflicting information on Wikipedia. I hope you can understand. 2600:1006:B067:B992:E036:BFF:E74B:1CAE (talk) 22:36, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

Sorry, I have no idea. We don't know if Caspian languages are descended from Median. Iranica; "Middle Iranian or modern Iranian idioms descended from the ancient Median language are not attested and cannot be established with certainty. The modern Northwestern Iranian dialects or dialect groups like Āḏari/Azeri (q.v., see AZERBAIJAN vii.), Tāti and others and part of the Central Iranian dialects in any case belong to the group of the Northwestern Iranian languages. The same has been claimed for Kurdish, Baluchi (qq.v.), and Sivandi, too, without success though, because it is not possible to derive them directly from the ancient Median language by unambiguous characteristic phonological or other developments. " --HistoryofIran (talk) 00:59, 13 April 2022 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for replying, do you have any information about the origins of Zoroastrian Dari, the reasons for its classification as NW Iranian, and if/when the Tapurians adopted the Amardian language and became a NW Iranian people who evolved into the Mazandaranis? Is it possible that the classical languages of Tapurestan and Corduene were Para-Median languages that weren’t descended from it directly but related to it and by extension Parthian?

2600:1006:B01F:9D24:411E:7846:A401:7379 (talk) 01:51, 13 April 2022 (UTC)

I don't know anything about Zoroastrian Dari, sorry. As for the Tapurians, I believe the Cambridge History of Iran volume 3 mentions something about it, not too sure though. --HistoryofIran (talk) 11:16, 13 April 2022 (UTC)

Do you know anyone who knows about Zoroastrian Dari and its origins? Is Mazandarani called Tabari simply because it is spoken in the region of Tapurestan but is unrelated to the Tapurian language or did the Tapurians adopt the local language of the area and transferred its name to it? 2600:1006:B02A:503F:71D4:4A25:CEF7:C86 (talk) 11:47, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

I don't unfortunately. I don't know, sorry. --HistoryofIran (talk) 12:11, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

Do you know where in Wikipedia can I ask around for anyone who does know? 2600:1006:B04E:66C8:D521:5205:7444:2E8C (talk) 00:30, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

No unfortunately, I don't think there are any. --HistoryofIran (talk) 00:32, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

IP, you could try Wikipedia:Reference desk/Language, but your question may be too specialized to get a good answer. Aza24 (talk) 01:24, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

Amirteymour Kalali

Could you maybe look at Amirteymour Kalali? It has an IP that really wants to add some info but I don't read farsi or the language the source I in and this is the source the IP uses. Paradise Chronicle (talk) 09:52, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

I can't read the Persian script, but looking at it through Google Translate I can't see anything that suggests it is WP:RS. If anything, it's seemingly pro-IRI and perhaps even owned by the regime as well. --HistoryofIran (talk) 11:07, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

Thank you.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 16:06, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

IP question

Hi HistoryofIran, hope you're doing well. There's this IP who keeps changing their dynamic address and appearing in AA, mostly doing disruptive edits. There have been so many address changes it's really hard to keep track of. I launced an SPI months ago, but apparently IPs don't get tied to accounts per privacy reasons, and clerks can't really endorse a CheckUser. Besides the SPI case, here's more of the same IP:

• Block evasion [1], [2] (changed dynamic IP again to edit during blocked period)
• Adding non WP:RS in multiple AA articles [3]
• Contesting article deletions (interesting for some random IP) and restoring material of tbanned editor [4], specifically in Shamkhor massacre
• Same as above, interestingly [5], [6], [7]
• Disruption and vandalism like this and this

Aside from similarities in the investigation I've shown, some other noteworthy ones just recently, see [8] and IP edits in Shamkhor massacre (both IP and user edited in those articles basically IP restoring edits by tbanned user / doing similar changes).

What do you think, maybe this should be taken to SPI, and if you could take a look? Either this is some ultra-high level gaming of the system, or my judgement is wrong. This is just concerning as it keeps happening again and again, with the same IP changing dynamic addresses and whatnot, doing disruptive edits and keeps appearing in places you wouldn't expect a random IP to edit. ZaniGiovanni (talk) 17:16, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

Hi, and likewise. Unfortunately Wikipedia is just not that well suited against IP hoppers. I would personally take it to ANI and request a rangeblock for all IPs starting with '89.219'. --HistoryofIran (talk) 17:28, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

Why???

The map you posted is an old cia map because of political strategies, cia has political agenda, for example people of balkh are tajik but in that map all of northern afghanistan are uzbeks, please delete this, CIA HAS POLITICAL AGENDA, stop this stupid game, don't be so obsessed with my map. 5644Khorasani (talk) 08:07, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

I don't undrastand your obsession towards my map, cia map has political agenda and inaccurate to show uzbeks as major ethnic because of iran influence in north but according to al Jazeera tajiks are the majority, you are not expert in afghanistan please don't upload the wrong map please. 5644Khorasani (talk) 10:32, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

You have been told mutiple times why. Do you have proof of what you’re saying, or is this just your own personal opinion? Also stop being that aggressive and leave my talk page alone. I have opened a WP:RSN for you, just kindly be a bit more professional with your comments there. HistoryofIran (talk)

please think for a second, according to cia map balkh has uzbek majority but according to al Jazeera map balkh has tajik majority and according to wikipedia itself balkh has tajik majority, so CIA map is made because of political strategies (america tries to prevent iranian influence on persian speaking societies of Afghanistan) according to wikipedia al Jazeera is reliable but cia is not, i showed you Multiple times, al-Jazeera is probably more trust ful than an inteligence agency service like cia, please un-block me, you can search on wikipedia, i'm sorry your name is history of iran!!!!! You are history of turkey to me than iran!!! 5644Khorasani (talk) 10:11, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

• If you don't stop ranting I'll block you from this page as well. The map you keep inserting is based on this one, and as you can see, the accuracy of that map is disputed and has been for nearly ten years. Black Kite (talk) 10:31, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

Help request

Greetings! If you can pay attention to the Hazaras article. User:KoizumiBS In the article Hazaras, he tries to make the history and language of the Hazaras completely Mongols, while the Hazara indicates partial Mongol ancestry. By presenting obsolete second-hand and third-hand sources, he wants to make Hazaras, a Persian-speaking people, completely Mongol.--Hamkar 99 (talk) 16:27, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

I didn't write that the Iranian-speaking peoples didn't take part in the ethnogenesis of the Hazaras. I only cited information from sources, according to which the Mongols took part in ethnogenesis, and that there is evidence of the use of the Mongolian language by them in the past.--KoizumiBS (talk) 16:32, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

Dw guys, I've been following the issue since the start lol. While I think that there are certainly better sources we can use in regard to that, I still agree with Koizumi. --HistoryofIran (talk) 16:33, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

Thanks

Hi. Thanks for helping with the potential edit war over the genealogy list in Nakhchivanski. I’ve added a note on the editor’s talk page with some useful links to Wikipedia policies. MightyWarrior (talk) 09:26, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

Happy to be of help, and thank you for that. --HistoryofIran (talk) 11:23, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

Could you possibly look at Ali Mo'tazed

Hi HoI,

Hi, that article is in badly need of some sources. I'm not well versed in Pahlavi-era history. --HistoryofIran (talk) 11:26, 21 May 2022 (UTC)

Odd

Take a look at my talk page history. Odd things happening there. I don't know anything about the topic and don't want to get involved. -- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 06:36, 21 May 2022 (UTC)

@Valjean: I understand. It's a sock of indeffed user 5644Khorasani. I have notified an admin. --HistoryofIran (talk) 11:26, 21 May 2022 (UTC)

SAVAK

Sorry, but I don't see the problem here--edit warring? What's wrong with the edit itself? Will you explain on the IP's talk page? Thanks, Drmies (talk) 22:58, 23 May 2022 (UTC)

Hi Drmies. It looks like a restoration of the same misattributed information [9] [10]. The IP had already previously attempted to add it [11]. --HistoryofIran (talk) 22:59, 23 May 2022 (UTC)

OK--thanks. Guess I didn't see it because of the difference in size. Still, it would be a good idea to place a note on the talk page, and tag LouisAragon in it. Then you can say "see Talk", and point an admin that way, and we can do something to stop it. Drmies (talk) 23:22, 23 May 2022 (UTC)

Noted, thanks. --HistoryofIran (talk) 23:24, 23 May 2022 (UTC)

So it's this editor. Drmies (talk) 23:24, 23 May 2022 (UTC)

Seems so. --HistoryofIran (talk) 23:25, 23 May 2022 (UTC)

The material that the IP wants to add doesn't pass WP:VER and/or is sourced to a dead link. - LouisAragon (talk) 15:09, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

Disruptive edits on Islam-related articles

Hi, thank you for your contributions and for reverting vandalism on the article Kafir. The same user continues with the same disruptive edits on various Islam-related articles (Jizya, Non-Muslim interactants with Muslims during Muhammad's era, Template:Islam and other religions, etc.); I have already reverted them and warned him once. Should I report him to WP:AIV? GenoV84 (talk) 17:57, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

Hi, happy to be of help. I would personally give him a last warning, and if he continues after that, then report him. --HistoryofIran (talk) 17:59, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

FYI

I think a certain editor has ran out of WP:ROPE. --Kansas Bear (talk) 16:44, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

Would you consider becoming a New Page Reviewer?

Chart of the New Pages Patrol backlog for the past 6 months. () Hi HistoryofIran, I've recently been looking for editors to invite to join the new page reviewing team, and after reviewing your editing history, I think you would be a good candidate. Reviewing/patrolling a page doesn't take much time but it requires a good understanding of Wikipedia policies and guidelines; the new page reviewing team needs help from experienced users like yourself. Would you please consider becoming a New Page Reviewer? Kindly read the tutorial before making your decision (if it looks daunting, don't worry, most pages are easy to review, and habits are quick to develop). If this looks like something that you can do, please consider joining us. If you choose to apply, you can drop an application over at WP:PERM/NPR. If you have questions, please feel free to drop a message on my talk page or at the reviewer's discussion board. Cheers, and hope to see you around, (t · c) buidhe 20:30, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

Thank you Buidhe, I am honored to be invited. Unfortunately my hands are very full atm, so I have to respectfully decline. --HistoryofIran (talk) 20:33, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

Javad khanate

This article is about the history of Azerbaijan. That is why I mentioned it in Azerbaijani, but in the Arabic alphabet. Because the population is Azerbaijani Turks. It is a spoken language, though not an official language. As I mentioned earlier, this is the history of modern Azerbaijan. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sword313 (talk • contribs) 02:10, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

That's irrelevant. Azeri had no official status at the time. Also, why did you revert the Afsharid link? --HistoryofIran (talk) 10:14, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

Hello

Hello, since I am new to wikipedia, I don't know how messagin system exactly works so I am copy my reply here about the reverted changes of mine:

Isn't deleting paragraphs that cites false sources, makes unfounded and biased claims more constructive than keeping them in the article? Obviously those paragraphs had zero encyclopedic value but simply propaganda texts coming from implicit hostility carried by authors against pan-turkist ideology. You do not see such paragraphs in other articles about different nationalist ideologies.

Hi. You need to prove all this on the talk page of the article first. --HistoryofIran (talk) 00:20, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

English-language education in Iran

Hi HistoryofIran. I noticed in your edit summary that you intend to re-write this article. Thanks. I just need to point out that when there's a copyvio-core template in place, like there is on this article, the rewrite is supposed to take place in a special temporary subpage, not in mainspace. Please see User talk:LouisAragon#Copyright problem: English-language education in Iran for full instructions. Thanks.— Diannaa (talk) 23:42, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

Also, I suggest you not undertake a re-write unless you have access to the source article, which is behind a paywall. — Diannaa (talk) 23:46, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

Hi Diannaa. Fortunately I have access to the source. I see, thanks [12]. It's quite a big article, so I might be able to complete the rewrite by the end of this week. --HistoryofIran (talk) 23:47, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

Ok great. (Using the temp page has the advantage of giving you access to the preview function.) If there will be any delay please let me know, as problems listed at WP:CP are under a certain amount of time pressure. Thanks.— Diannaa (talk) 00:19, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

Dont accept Armenian Spelling

Why you dont accept the armenian spelling even though its the kingdom of armenia and its kings?Only cayse the armenian alphabet didnt existed the armenian spelling is still important so we know how the native spelling(armenian)is! With the same logic Tigranes the Great wouldnt have a armenian spelling, but he does have a armenian spelling even yhough the armenian alphabet didnt existed there.......thats really hyporcratic! Wararakn (talk) 16:32, 4 June 2022 (UTC)

It has nothing to do with accepting something or not. The alphabet didn't exist back then (and thus wasn't used), adding it is anachronistic, two users (one of them being me) has already explained this to you. The Tigranes article shouldn't have the Armenian alphabet either, not the other way around. --HistoryofIran (talk) 16:34, 4 June 2022 (UTC)

Then why dont you write armenian in cuneiform there? Also didnt you raid what ive said? The armenian alphabet didnt existed during Tigrane the Greats time 95BC, but he still has a armenian spelling with armenian alphabet within it! thats hypocratical you do and there is no other user besides you only if you mean pan tutk cansas bear Wararakn (talk) 16:40, 4 June 2022 (UTC)

Why????????? Wararakn (talk) 16:44, 4 June 2022 (UTC)

There wasnt any Armenian cunieform used at that time, or at least not any that i know of. There is nothing that even suggests it had an administrative, let alone official status back then. In other words, it has no relevance to be added altogether. I already read what you said, and answered you, feel free to read my comment up above again. If it bothers you that much, Ill happily remove the anachronistic Armenian alphabet in the Tigranes article as well when I get home. And dont call others for “pan-Turk”. HistoryofIran (talk)

Javansir clan

Please enlighten me, this is hard to understand. Khurshidbanu Natavan, who is from the Javanshir clan, is considered Azerbaijani in the English wikipedia So why is the Javanshir clan not considered Azerbaijani? They are descended from Afshar, yes, Afshars are already a sub-branch of Azerbaijani Turks (which is accepted as such in English wikipedia) Afshar dialect is considered as the dialect of Azerbaijani language. In short, the lineage of Javanshir continues even now, so why don't you allow writing Azerbaijani? Indeed, Wikipedia should be impartial. Aydın memmedov2000 (talk) 16:56, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

Just because it says something in one article, doesn't mean it still in the other, per WP:OTHER. Wikipedia should be impertial indeed, which is why you got reverted twice. Once again, I refer you to the edit summary of the user who previously as well as the lede of Afshar people. --HistoryofIran (talk) 17:36, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

Cause the afshars are genetically and linguistically a different group my friend Wararakn (talk) 16:48, 4 June 2022 (UTC)

HistoryOfIran can't handle good crtic

Pls answear! Wararakn (talk) 16:53, 4 June 2022 (UTC)

That’s not what “critic” means. And I’m not on Wikipedia 24/7, so dont expect to get an answer right after you commented. HistoryofIran (talk)

From which country are you?

You arent Persian I think ,cause you cant read the Persian script(Perso-Arabuc)But what are you then? Wararakn (talk) 16:54, 4 June 2022 (UTC)

That’s none of your concern. HistoryofIran (talk)

Arameans

I guess this is about Arameans in Israel. Doug Weller talk 18:14, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

I get it, but it seems to be controversial. The user who rewrote the Arameans article chose to keep the lede that way, so there must be a reason for it. I'll ask him in a bit. --HistoryofIran (talk) 19:16, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

I don’t know anything about this. Doug Weller talk 21:06, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

Rûm edit war

I believe that the correct ISP for the edit war at Rûm is 2A02:A458:447B:1:95CA:A546:8549:B60A.Blue Riband► 20:54, 9 June 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, but that is just his IP range I linked, so it shows all the IPs he has used. --HistoryofIran (talk) 20:59, 9 June 2022 (UTC)

Happy summer/winter

		Sunshine!
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Happy first day of summer (or winter) wherever you live. Interstellarity (talk) 22:12, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

Hi Interstellarity, thanks for the nice message and likewise :-). --HistoryofIran (talk) 22:37, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

access

Your requested book is accessible in libgen under the title of Christian-Muslim Relations. A Bibliographical History. Volume 12 Asia, Africa and the Americas (1700-1800), for only 7 Mb :)) Benyamin (talk) 11:33, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

Ah I see, thank you very much Benyamin! --HistoryofIran (talk) 11:49, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

that troll

I suggest you start an SPI. I could not connect the Russianbear to the account you mentioned in your edit summary, but I could to another, with the same number in the name. So there's more to be found--but I cannot do that right now. Drmies (talk) 22:54, 29 June 2022 (UTC)

Ah I see, thank you. The account you connected Russianbear to (Pazyryk5644) is also one of 5644Khorasani's socks, I have clear evidence for that as well, I was just too lazy to file an SPI back then tbh. I'll assemble the evidence and see if I can file an SPI today or tomorrow. --HistoryofIran (talk) 23:42, 29 June 2022 (UTC)

Good. I think CU can do a bit more if there's more to pull from. Drmies (talk) 00:41, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

Good spot!

That was a particularly grim bit of synth that you just spotted on Zoroastrianism - clearly by someone with not a lick of understanding about the religion's extraordinary oral tradition in Avestan: I can barely imagine what kind of bizarre POV would lead someone to start synythesizing information along those lines or where they imagine anyone could theoretically be copying specifically Avestan scripture from. Iskandar323 (talk) 19:47, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

Thx, happy to be of help. --HistoryofIran (talk) 20:04, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

Gholam-Hossein Farnoud

Both of two deleted manuscripts have been published at different references: Farnoud, Gholam-Hossein and others. (2020). "Gholam-Hossein Farnoud: A thoughtful seeker, in the ways of knowledge", in Azeri: International Turkish - Persian, Cultural, Social, Literary and Art Quarterly, numbers 43&44: pg. 16-18 at online sources (first manuscript): https://ishiq.net/yaddast/23861/%D8%A8%D8%AE%D8%B4%DB%8C-%D8%A7%D8%B2-%D8%B2%D9%86%D8%AF%DA%AF%DB%8C-%D9%86%D8%A7%D9%85%D9%87-%D8%BA%D9%84%D8%A7%D9%85%D8%AD%D8%B3%DB%8C%D9%86-%D9%81%D8%B1%D9%86%D9%88%D8%AF-%D8%A8%D9%87-%D9%82%D9%84.html

Please put them back in the page. Uzeyir Kemal (talk) 21:17, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

And what is this ishiq site? Also, do you even have permission to add this to Wikipedia? You might want to re-read this discussion [13]. --HistoryofIran (talk) 21:48, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

İ have sent you the official published book. It is enough as a valid reference. Uzeyir Kemal (talk) 21:51, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

The photo which you mentioned [75] is already deleted, because of the permission. Yet, these two photos already published in public books, and I have added references and cited them after your deleting. Yet, you have deleted them again without any explanation. Uzeyir Kemal (talk) 21:59, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

What public books? They're on a website, which you still haven't replied what even is. --HistoryofIran (talk) 22:04, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

Farnoud, Gholam-Hossein and others. (2020). "Gholam-Hossein Farnoud: A thoughtful seeker, in the ways of knowledge", in Azeri: International Turkish - Persian, Cultural, Social, Literary and Art Quarterly, numbers 43&44: pg. 16-18 Uzeyir Kemal (talk) 22:14, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

Nothing came up on Google. Do you have a link? --HistoryofIran (talk) 22:16, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

https://ishiq.net/x%C9%99b%C9%99r/25092/%D8%B4%D9%85%D8%A7%D8%B1%D9%87%E2%80%8C%DB%8C-%D8%AC%D8%AF%DB%8C%D8%AF-%D9%81%D8%B5%D9%84%D9%86%D8%A7%D9%85%D9%87%E2%80%8C%DB%8C-%D8%AA%D8%B1%DA%A9%DB%8C-%D9%81%D8%A7%D8%B1%D8%B3%DB%8C-%D8%A2-8.html Uzeyir Kemal (talk) 22:18, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

You still haven't answered what this website actually is. I can't be bothered tbh, feel free to re-add the images. --HistoryofIran (talk) 22:20, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

https://www.gisoom.com/book/11740581/%DA%A9%D8%AA%D8%A7%D8%A8-%D8%A7%D9%86%D8%AF%DB%8C%D8%B4%D9%87-%D9%88%D8%B1%D8%B2-%D8%B1%D9%87%D9%86%D9%85%D8%A7-%D8%A8%D9%87-%DB%8C%D8%A7%D8%AF-%D8%BA%D9%84%D8%A7%D9%85%D8%AD%D8%B3%DB%8C%D9%86-%D9%81%D8%B1%D9%86%D9%88%D8%AF/ Uzeyir Kemal (talk) 22:21, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

1. Ishiq.net publishes both literary and cultural works written in Azerbaijani Turkish and Persian languages from 3th September 2011 in Iran.

2. The important reference is not Ishiq.net, is the Book. Azeri Quarterly is published in several numbers and some of its old numbers have been published also in Google books for free:

https://www.google.at/search?q=%D9%85%D8%AC%D9%84%D9%87+%D8%A2%D8%B0%D8%B1%DB%8C+&hl=de&tbm=bks&sxsrf=ALiCzsZduF-IFAu586D5kHN9-3ZKE1rVUw%3A1657234107314&ei=u2LHYta6Eo777_UPrry7gAg&ved=0ahUKEwiWhJqS7uf4AhWO_bsIHS7eDoAQ4dUDCAk&uact=5&oq=%D9%85%D8%AC%D9%84%D9%87+%D8%A2%D8%B0%D8%B1%DB%8C+&gs_lcp=Cg1nd3Mtd2l6LWJvb2tzEANQlQ1YlQ1g9A1oAXAAeACAAV-IAeUCkgEBNJgBAKABAcABAQ&sclient=gws-wiz-books

The number 43 is published in memory of Gholam-Hossein Farnoud and at written pages the manuscript is published.

3. This text is also published at the book which I have also sent for you previousely.

Please feel free to re-add the images. And also please clean your delete request for his photo with Samad Behrangi and others. This photo has been published in two books, and also online sources severally. Uzeyir Kemal (talk) 22:51, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

Hotak Dynasty Map

Hello HistoryOfIran, if you have time please look into the map revision request that is pending within the hotak dynasty wiki pg. The map was created by an experienced map maker that goes by the alias 'The Dragon Historian'. The map that is in use right now is missing major details such as Herat which was not conquered by the Hotaks and simply bordered the dynasty. Thanks. --Hutterx (talk) 18:23, 17 July 2022

Sorry, but the 'The Dragon Historian' is not an academian historian, and Youtube is not WP:RS. --HistoryofIran (talk) 16:25, 17 July 2022 (UTC)

No need to apologize. Should the map of the Durrani Empire be removed as well? Hutterx (talk) 16:26, 17 July 2022 (UTC)

(within the durrani empire wiki) Hutterx (talk) 16:27, 17 July 2022 (UTC)

Well, it's deffo a red flag that it also uses 'The Dragon Historian', but the rest of the sources seem to be WP:RS. I think it would be best if you took it up with the creator of the map. --HistoryofIran (talk) 16:28, 17 July 2022 (UTC)

Sock?

Colchians (talk · contribs) is a new account, I'm guessing it's a sock of CeRcVa13. Same editing pattern, articles, etc. I believe you had experience with this sockpuppet before. Any thoughts? Regards, ZaniGiovanni (talk) 19:50, 18 July 2022 (UTC)

@ZaniGiovanni: [14] - LouisAragon (talk) 20:25, 18 July 2022 (UTC)

Yeah I thought so LouisAragon. Regards, ZaniGiovanni (talk) 21:00, 18 July 2022 (UTC)

Well I guess that settles it. --HistoryofIran (talk) 22:00, 18 July 2022 (UTC)

July 2022

Hey, mate. How are you doing? I hope you are OK. I wonder why you haven't still published your expertly view on Mughal empire's talk page regarding our amateur discussion there :)? I believe your opinion would be helpful as always. Thank you in advance. Take care! --Visioncurve^{Timendi causa est nescire} 06:13, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

Hi, I'm good thanks. And likewise. Sorry, but I don't feel confident in commenting (at least for now) as I don't know much about the Mughals. Though I certainly don't agree with the way a fellow user is treating you in that talk page. --HistoryofIran (talk) 10:46, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

He realizes that he's not right; nothing hurts like the truth. You could see that almost half of the article depicts how enormous Persian influence was on the Mughal empire, and yet, he resists adding a two sentence summary of that to the lead. My bet is that he feels a little arrogant there since he knows he has the support of his "fellows" that contribute alongside him to India-related articles. Perhaps, we should open a vote like agree/disagree and call the other side, you know, who deals with Persia-related materials? After all, the debate is about the Mughals' dual Indo-Persian character. Tell me what you think. Thank you! Visioncurve^{Timendi causa est nescire} 11:53, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

@Visioncurve: I personally wouldn't do that yet and instead wait for a reply and see how the discussion progresses. But that's just my opinion. --HistoryofIran (talk) 13:51, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

Yes, mate, I suppose you are right as usual. I am glad we had this little chat. Take care! --Visioncurve^{Timendi causa est nescire} 16:06, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

Hey, man! How have you been? I hope better than me as I was sick throughout my entire vacation last month. Never mind that, so, as you can see, it's almost a month since the issue regarding the Mughals' dual Indo-Persian character was raised, so now I wonder whether now is the right time we talked about to invite lads for a poll. I still believe that this particular information should stand in the lead, because 1) it's significant, 2) it is covered substantially in the remainder of the article. However, I have re-structured my addition a little so that it better summarized the whole point. Check this out: The Mughals were heirs to the political traditions of the Delhi Sultanate as well as to the Turkic and Persian influences. Nonetheless, they adhered more closely to classical Persian traditions of authority and aesthetics, and their linguistic, material and artistic cultural activities were heavily influenced by Persianate culture.

PS: Each sentence will be properly sourced as per WP:RS. Nazaret chiye? Take care! Visioncurve^{Timendi causa est nescire} 14:07, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

Hello @Visioncurve:. Damn, that sucks, I hope you're doing better now. I too am unfortunate with illness during vacations, such as the good ol Covid back in winter, or severe dust allergic reaction back in the last summer (always clean up the 2 year untouched dusty bed before getting drunk as a skunk!)... the list goes on lol. And I am good, thanks. That sounds like a RFC, right? If so, sounds good, I will be watching, but I am sorry to that I will not comment as long as I don't feel confident/knowledgeable enough. Doing so would make me a hypocrite, no better than those ips/users I constantly demonstrate to violate WP:RIGHTGREATWRONGS, WP:POV, WP:UNDUE, etc. --HistoryofIran (talk) 00:26, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

@Visioncurve Thank you for your contributions to the encyclopedia, I believe that HistoryofIran obviously has to check the catastrophic deletion of significant informations.

Regards, BerkBerk⁶⁸ 15:43, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

Razia Begum Safavi

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What about it friend? --HistoryofIran (talk) 20:53, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

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The "Armenian territory of Qarabagh" mentioned in the source, could that be Principality of Khachen ?? Kansas Bear (talk) 17:32, 11 August 2022 (UTC)

@Kansas Bear: Yeah I think it refers to that and the rest of the Melikdoms of Karabakh (which formed a pretty large part of Karabakh/Qarabagh per these two maps (From the Kur to the Aras: [15] [16]). --HistoryofIran (talk) 21:58, 11 August 2022 (UTC)

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Like many other poor souls, I lost my sanity to ANI a long time ago, I've just been staging an act ever since. Jokes aside, thank you very much! --HistoryofIran (talk) 13:16, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

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Sock revert Timurid Empire

Did a little digging and found a certain currently indef blocked editor, Beyoglou(Belugan).

• Following Timurid Empire to Turkish Wikipedia, a lot of rewriting has been done by BerkBerk68.
• When you click on BerkBerk's talk page, you find a message from Beyoglou dated 29 Haziran 2022 (29 June 2022).
• What is even odder is that on 18:37, 29 July 2022, BerkBerk responds to Belugan's block as "Belugan was an obvious troll, I have already expressed that. And yet after being labeled a troll by BerkBerk, NONE of the Belugan/Beyoglou socks go after BerkBerk. Beyoglou, who is still active on Turkish Wikipedia and has previously posted on BerkBerk's Turkish talk page, has been silent. This is curiouser and curiouser. Kansas Bear (talk) 17:28, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

So is the sock following you? Or is the sock following BerkBerk(an editor that insulted them)?Kansas Bear (talk) 18:12, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

This editor made only 3 edits before editing on Timur then on to the Timurid Empire on Turkish Wikipedia and now, of course, is over here editing Timurid Empire. Interesting.Kansas Bear (talk) 22:48, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

@Kansas Bear: Yep, I noticed suspicious similarities at Talk:Mughal Empire as well [17]; it is indeed peculiar, especially due to Belugan/Beyoglou/etc having shown himself to be a pretty spiteful/vengeful person in many occasions, not just against me. I have noticed other concerning stuff as well, such as a '14 people' discord [18] [19]. --HistoryofIran (talk) 22:50, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

HOLY SHIT!! How the hell do Admins not address that?? --Kansas Bear (talk) 23:06, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Hello, about that: none of the accounts from that wikiproject is active (as far as I know) since there aren't any "things like that" anymore, I was not aware of wikipedia rules back then (I began active editings around that time) so I thought off-wiki communities were welcome. BerkBerk⁶⁸ 11:39, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

Clearly the facts prove otherwise. Kansas Bear (talk) 16:48, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

Well it's not really possible since that community was dismantled a long time ago and I have not even a single idea about "the facts". All the people on that group were also registered to the wikiproject. I am sure about that the user called Beyoglou -or one of his socks- or any others you mentioned did not participate on that. None of those people including me were experienced editors so that community was doomed to dysfunction. Also as I said, I don't know if anyone from that wikiproject is still active, but if someone is, then they are completely disconnected from me, I have never encountered one at Wikipedia after the disbandment of the community & wikiproject. The community did not even have any ideological goals, there was Kurdish and Hungarian participators who lived in Turkey.

Additionally, the community or the wikiproject never started editing. Nobody was actually aware of how to use Wikipedia properly. BerkBerk⁶⁸ 17:52, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

Obviously, in the eyes of a community their goal(s) are always gonna be the "right one", thus I'm not sure what you're trying to say. It's also no secret that the 2020 Nagarno Karabakh war is a controversial and emotional subject. Moreover, I find it awfully convenient that 14 users suddenly disappeared from the face of earth after a mere year. Anyways, this is ultimately up to the admins to determine. --HistoryofIran (talk) 21:45, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

I do not disagree on the objectivity of the community, it ofcourse had subjective point of view on certain ways, but I believe that Administrators could notice that neither current events are related with that nor the user(s) you mentioned were included in that community.

It was not even an information I hided anyways, just checked some discussions about closure of wikiproject and noticed that I openly told features of various users that didn't have any on-wiki connections with me.

About the "suddenly dissapeared" thing, I'm pretty sure that administrators will see that there isn't any sockpuppets owned by the members of that community, but even if they do, they would notice that it is completely irrelevant to me and the connections were lost.

Again, nobody knew how to do things properly, there wasn't any experienced editors to teach us the rules and how to be an editor at Wikipedia so it was just a group of people who wanted to edit Wikipedia together, that were not aware of the rules. Nobody learned how to do things, and people just became unwilling, so it just disbanded.

Again it seems like you still imply that Beyoglou or any others are from there, first appearance of Beyoglou to me (excluding his sockpuppet) at english wikipedia was on an Administrator's talk page.

But I guess explaining myself won't mean anything here, I'm pretty sure that Administrators would at least check that community was a "failed attempt" on Wikipedia and not an alive thing, and ofcourse, nobody you mentioned were member of there (again, if there is someone active, its not related to me) so please, move the discussion to the front of Administrators as soon as possible, so I could explain myself to someone objective and be judged according to that. BerkBerk⁶⁸ 17:43, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

Wiki Neoliberalism

hi, pls explain why u deleted my contribution ? 888TheWatcher888 (talk) 03:52, 28 August 2022 (UTC)

Not sure why you called the subject 'Wiki Neoliberalism'. I assume you're referring to Adiabene, where I reverted you because you altered sourced information. --HistoryofIran (talk) 12:05, 28 August 2022 (UTC)

See

[20] - my latest posts there and [21] where he's claiming Izady as an RS. Hope you're well. Doug Weller talk 16:38, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

I see, thanks. And likewise, Doug. --HistoryofIran (talk) 17:38, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

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Expanding these[22][23] from this[24](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/1088509315)

The final decision is with you. But the Persian article does not use questionable sources. The Persian article in the ancient section refers to Iranica and in the Islamic period refers to the original documents and archives of old texts. I thought these would be good for the English article. Of course, I also know that expanding this English article may not be necessary for an English-speaker person.

And these two English articles talk about one thing!!! It was better to merge. Histo.beh (talk) 13:11, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

The Persian version uses random sites such as www.warithanbia.com and https://ganjoor.net, not reliable at all. And yes, it does seem that a merge may be needed. --HistoryofIran (talk) 13:16, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

@HistoryofIran: If we use the template "{{نیازمند منبع بهتر}}"("needs better source"; I don't know its equivalent in English Wikipedia) in Persian article for these sites will it be enough? Or at least it is possible not to transfer the content referred to these sites to the English Wikipedia. Are you still opposed to adding the template "Expand Persian" to this English article?Histo.beh (talk) 16:23, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

Yes, I am still opposed to it. I don't see the point of adding a citation that's not WP:RS. There are fortunately loads of WP:RS about the usage of the name Iran. Heck, there are whole books dedicated to it, such as the 'Idea of Iran' series. --HistoryofIran (talk) 16:50, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

@HistoryofIran: Ok. Can I at least add some of those manuscripts to the English article?Histo.beh (talk) 17:09, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

Sorry, what manuscripts? --HistoryofIran (talk) 19:25, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

@HistoryofIran:I want add these to English article, if it is possible and can be accepted by your strict criteria:

An inscription in Middle Persian on the tombstone of a Christian from Anatolia in the 9th century AD:

ēn gōr Hurdād [pusar ī Ohrmazdāfrīd] rāy ast, kū-š xvadāy bē āmurzād. az mān ī Ērānšahr, az rōdestāg Zargān, az deh Xišt

This grave is the grave of Khordad, the son of HormazdAfrid, may God bless him. From the land of "Iranshahr", from the village of Zargan, from ten clays

And

The word Iran (Middle Persian:𐭠𐭩𐭫𐭠𐭭) on a Dinar of Ardashir Babakan، founder of sasanid dynasty. Text on this coin: «Mazdāworshiper، the lord Ardeshir Shāhanshāh of Iran that is from generation of God.»

And

Two coin about Afsharid era(NaderShah) that they made in Shiraz and Tbilisi and the text on these is: Nader, king of Iranzamin and conqueror king, wrote his kingdom name on gold coin.

Histo.beh (talk) 06:39, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

@Histo.beh: If they're relevant to the sections then sure go ahead. --HistoryofIran (talk) 10:24, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

Hazaras

Hello, HistoryofIran! Thanks for your input to the discussion. I started a discussion in WP:ANI. I would be grateful if you also state your position there. KoizumiBS (talk) 06:55, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

Hi. Oh, I didn't realize there already was an ANI thread (I was just about to make one). You pretty much said everything that needs to be said - I might make a little comment later. --HistoryofIran (talk) 10:26, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

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Appreciate it Ruwaym! Hope you're doing well. --HistoryofIran (talk) 12:24, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

Thanks. I am good, i hope same for you. Ruwaym (talk) 14:16, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

Help

Hey there,in languages in Afghanistan page CIA updated it's ethno-lingustic map of Afghanistan,I was wandering that is it possible for you to insert it instead of old image in ethnic groups in Afghanistan page???the CIA map on ethnic groups in Afghanistan page is old but in languages in Afghanistan there is a new update 2019 Wich made by CIA I ask you please insert it instead of old map because the old map on "ethnic groups in Afghanistan" page is wrong and old but CIA new map on "languages in Afghanistan"page is true. I appreciate — Preceding unsigned comment added by سالوادور (talk • contribs) 18:07, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

Hi. The "old" map is newer (2005) than the one you want to add (1997), or I am missing something? --HistoryofIran (talk) 08:59, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

No,it's clear that the one on the "Ethnic groups in Afghanistan"is old, it's at the time of Soviet union!!!!!! although it's wrong though,in 2019 an CIA author made a map Wich exists on " languages in Afghanistan" Wich is acceptable,the map on "ethnic groups in Afghanistan"page is during cold war and as I know is not correct and CIA maps are inconsistent,the Soviet one is trying to turkfying northern Afghanistan,the other one in "languages in Afghanistan" is completely different. سالوادور (talk) 08:44, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

WP:PLACE

They also misread it and only mentioned a part of it. I initially believed assuming good faith but then later I read and saw that the same guideline WP:PLACE they brought to remove the alternative name actually supports their inclusion, even gives examples how to include them. I don't know how you became aware of the issue, but anyway thanks a lot. Paradise Chronicle (talk) 23:55, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

Ah I see. It was quite late, so I didn't bother reading the guideline, and therefore just simply added "apparently" instead. Anyways, happy to be of help! --HistoryofIran (talk) 07:51, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

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@Tamzin: Thanks, but this has nothing to do with the "the topics of Kurds and Kurdistan, broadly construed". That's the issue, some users are trying to "ethnize" the article, even though she was sadly killed due to essentially being a woman. --HistoryofIran (talk) 09:16, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

Isn't it still early days in this story? For all we know her Kurdish background may have fed into the prejudice in this instance. I'm not saying that the sourcing supports that at present, or indeed ever will (there will unlikely be an official investigation), but it seems pre-emptive to rule out such factors. Iskandar323 (talk) 09:45, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

Iran is a multi-ethnic country, including Tehran as well, which has a good chunk of Kurds. The only thing the IRI cares about is their form of "Islam". Unfortunately this isn't the first time a woman (or a individual for that matter) has heavily suffered due to their rules. --HistoryofIran (talk) 09:51, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

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