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Thank you for bringing that to my attention. I was unaware that I couldn't use her official Twitter account as a source. Even though it's pretty obvious the Tweet confirms the album title and that she plans to release it this year, I do understand what you mean. She didn't directly state it, she was very cryptic in how she addressed that, which probably didn't help, but I'm sure by tomorrow every website will be reporting on it. Anyways... Thanks for bringing that to my attention! Sorry about that! ---Tsu'tey♫ (talk) 23:56, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, I see where Wikipedia is coming from with their rules on it but at the same time it would make sense for her official account to be a reliable source. Oh, well. No big deal. Thanks for bringing that to my attention because I was unaware of rules like that. Thanks! ---Tsu'tey♫ (talk) 21:33, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

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Thank you for quality articles on the United Kingdom, especially politics, films, people and their work such as A Journey, education such as Royal National College for the Blind, - you are an awesome Wikipedian!

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A year ago, you were the 477th recipient of my PumpkinSky Prize, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:26, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

Thanks again. Can't believe it's been a year since my last TFA. :) This is Paul (talk) 11:21, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
It's about a month before my (planned) first, if we don't count the collaborations, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:37, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
Good luck in that case. I just had a read through this afternoon and thought it was very interesting. Hope it gets the green light. I have two I could submit—Jo Stafford and Murder of Joanna Yeates. My plan is for Stafford's to appear on the 100th anniversary of her birth on November 12, 2017. Not so sure about the second given its nature. I think the events are a bit too recent for a TFA appearance. Guess I'll send a few more through FAC. This is Paul (talk) 17:48, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

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Take a look at three articles that I created today Ann Heberlein, Johar Bendjelloul and Bengt Dalqvist. Thanks.--BabbaQ (talk) 20:28, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

Not really familiar with the people, but nice articles. This is Paul (talk) 21:54, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

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Suzannah Lipscomb

You seem to have a lot of history in editing Wikipedia pages and I do not. Indeed it is true that I have only ever edited Suzannah Lipscomb to add latest facts. This was fine until the argument with the user RedPenOfDoom about her marriage which the subject felt was irrelevant to a page put up by her employer about her professional activities. I am related to the subject so am not independent, but also I am not biased and aim to add only facts. The subject has only said she doesn't want a Wiki page because of the controversy, obviously otherwise she would want one and that is why in the talk about deleting it I said that you should be asked to clean it up. I am therefore writing to you on here to request your input to keeping the page without it constantly being changed. Why for instance I have wondered was reference to her degrees that I replaced last week again removed. Previously links to NCH or her own website have been sufficient proof. Also why should the two most notable awards have been removed. This must be evidence of attack and I wonder how Wiki deal with such things other than removing the page?Thank you.MdeBohun (talk) 08:27, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

Suzannah Lipscomb

updated - please reconsider

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Suzannah_Lipscomb

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Not sure exactly what it is you want me to reconsider. Perhaps you could elaborate a little. Just to clarify though, I believe Suzannah Lipscomb is notable enough to a Wikipedia article, but if she wants it deleted because she believes people are misrepresenting aspects of her career then I'll support that decision. This is Paul (talk) 20:23, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

I have now been told that 'there is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard regarding a possible conflict of interest incident in which I may be involved. Thank you.82.18.156.67 (talk) 19:43, 19 May 2014 (UTC).' I have also looked through all the edits to this page over the past few days and see that there is more than one disruptive contributor, e.g. somebody changed the TV programme about Henry and Anne to Henry and Mabel, the subject's place of birth to Monmouthshire (from Surrey). There are also questions about the subject's nationality, how is that to be proven? I wonder if you can tell me when a decision is likely to be made about whether or not the page is to be kept, and under these circumstances if it is kept how to request that it be locked to avoid such disruption and e.g. notable achievements being removed when with a small effort suitable references could be found, rather than deleting the information. Indeed, you have agreed that her employer is a suitable source, while another removes everything sourced thus, or from her own personal website which has been proof enough in the past. Thank you.MdeBohun (talk) 22:09, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

MdeBohun has tried to out TheRedPenOfDoom and accuse this user as being the ex husband of suzannah lipscomb.

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His aggressive style is that of the ex-husband.MdeBohun (talk) 21:59, 18 May 2014 (UTC) 

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Hi, do you think I could nominate the article Soraya Post for DYK? Is it long enough etc?. --BabbaQ (talk) 21:27, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

And now? :)--BabbaQ (talk) 21:54, 30 May 2014 (UTC)
I think I have fixed it now.--BabbaQ (talk) 22:32, 30 May 2014 (UTC)
Please explain again how you find the information about article length. Thank you :)--BabbaQ (talk) 23:13, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

Thanks!

Some have said I should go to PR and then FAC with it. We'll see what PR has to say about it first. ;) I haven't forgotten about Paul Weston--still have all the links in a browser folder. Not sure if there's enough material to go to FAC, but am sure there's enough to take him to GA. I see you've changed your user name again--this time I don't think you'll be mistaken for anybody else, as was happening with the Paul MacDermott user name. ;) Thanks again for thinking of me !! We hope (talk) 21:25, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

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Thanks, I decided to keep some of the notes within the grid and put some further down the page. User:Commod (talk) 08:25, 31 May 2014

Some interesting stuff re: how The Jo Stafford Show on CBS went off the air.

While working on something else recently, I came upon some broadcasting magazines that tell us how Jo's television show got the axe. It was a CBS decision, apparently based on their notion that her timeslot could be filled by another program which would bring the network more money. Jo's sponsor, the Gold Seal Company, was basically told that CBS would not be airing the show and that they should pick another one on the network to sponsor. The controversy made it to the US House antitrust subcommittee United States House Judiciary Subcommittee on Regulatory Reform, Commercial and Antitrust Law.

The president of the network at that time, Frank Stanton, basically filled the role of the "enforcer" of whatever Paley thought. The network could hardly use the McCarthyism of the time to say she had ties with Communism, given her work at Voice of America and the many, many appearances at various military camps. (Stanton, BTW, is the one who "brainstormed" with Arthur Godfrey for a way to fire Julius LaRosa when Godfrey was angry with his show of independence.) ;)

Let me add some links to the magazines here so you can see how it was:

The sponsor's complaint went to that particular US House subcommittee because radio and television stations in the US are supposed to be using their frequencies for the good of the public and not only as a means to generate profit for the network, etc. Those who operate on a frequency are not "owners" of it, but "renters", so to speak. If it's proven that they are not operating in the public's best interest, the FCC is able to take their license to operate from them and assign it to someone else, if things had gone that badly. It does appear that CBS had an idea that they'd make more money by having some other program in the time slot, so neither Jo nor her sponsor's money seemed to be of major concern. Can't say I blame her for not getting involved in a regular television show done in the US after this. Would like your thoughts about getting this into her article and the article on the program. We hope (talk) 20:44, 1 June 2014 (UTC)

A review of the show on its first airing in color. We hope (talk) 20:55, 1 June 2014 (UTC)

I think what helped make the controversy was that at the time this happened, the sponsor was still the last word. Look back to the Pied Pipers and Sir Hubert having a fit when he heard them for the first time. He was the sponsor, so he could demand that the group leave the show. Same thing with Easy Aces. When the sponsor asked for a change in a musical bridge, Goodman Ace got angry and told them their aspirin tablets were "a gyp" because they weren't selling them in metal tins any more. That was the beginning of the end for the program outside of syndication because the sponsor pulled out after that.
Back then, the sponsor was able to have so much influence because the company sponsored an entire program. Today it's different because when you watch television or listen to radio, you are seeing/hearing many different commercials for various products, with the exception of specials, which are usually sponsored by one company. In the old days, a sponsor was powerful enough to take a sponsored program and move it from one network to another, if warranted or wanted. Amos 'n' Andy on radio went back and forth between NBC and CBS, depending on who was footing the bills for the show and that company's preferences. No idea why Gold Seal didn't move Jo's show to either NBC or ABC or if they tried and weren't able to come to terms at either place, but I can see how her thoughts about doing more series television work in the US must have been influenced by what happened to this program. We hope (talk) 20:44, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

Harold Schafer

Was the owner of Gold Seal Company. Google has no preview and neither does Amazon. :( We hope (talk) 21:56, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

Amazon US has some used copies--don't know about Amazon UK. We hope (talk) 22:59, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

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Please explain why there is a blanket ban on discussing this subject. (IPchange (talk) 19:08, 19 June 2014 (UTC))

As I told you earlier, I don't know the reason, but I do know the subject is off topic. Why can't you just accept this and move on? This is Paul (talk) 19:24, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

So you don't know the reason but you delete anyway.? Under whose instruction? (IPchange (talk) 19:49, 19 June 2014 (UTC))

There is/was a brief mention of this somewhere, but I haven't managed to track it down again. This is Paul (talk) 20:39, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
I've restored this again as I did look for the posting I was thinking of (half an hour of my life I'll never get back), and I took the time to reply even though you were being a complete pain. This is Paul (talk) 07:44, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
@IPchange: As has been explained to you before, this was done as an OTRS action. This is based on information covered by Access to nonpublic data policy, therefore I am severely limited in what information I can give out. If you disagree that I am a suitable person to do the role, or if the edit was vastly inappropriate, feel free to take me to Arbcom over this. --Mdann52talk to me! 14:35, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for explaining that. Hopefully he'll stop being a nuisance now. This is Paul (talk) 16:15, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

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Hi, I was wondering if someone could advise me. An anonymous ip, 82.35.64.69 (talk · contribs · WHOIS) keeps adding unsourced random pieces of information to articles about years in British television, often without fully explaining their significance. An example might be "Gray O'Brien is to leave Coronation Street later this year", which doesn't fully explain who he is or why we need to know he's leaving the series. I've been taking the time to track down sources for this stuff and discovered sometimes that it's inaccurate so have been making corrections, but it's been going on for a while now, and is getting a bit monotonous. I've asked very nicely on several occasions if they could provide sources for the entries as they're obviously finding it from somewhere, but never get a response other than to see the appearance of another random entry later the same day or the next day. I've resorted to issuing user warnings for unsourced editing after several attempts to communicate with this user, and deleting the material. Am I doing the right thing? I don't want to get into a slow edit war with them. Thanks. This is Paul (talk) 17:21, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

WP:BURDEN says that the poster must have a source for the content; otherwise, it may be deleted. Unfortunately, I would take the route of user warnings for unsourced content, even if the edits may appear to be in good faith. Repeatedly adding unsourced content without discussing anything on talk pages is criteria for blocking. This is just my opinion, as a non-admin. Thanks Piguy101 (talk) 21:20, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for getting back to me. I'm sure the edits are being done in good faith, which is why I was helping, but if the guy won't learn how to edit properly then I guess there's no other course of action. Thanks again, This is Paul (talk) 23:09, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

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Happy birthday! Hope it's been a good one! We hope (talk) 17:47, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

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Glad to hear you didn't spend it bent over a computer keyboard and monitor! :) We hope (talk) 22:54, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

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Could you please take a look at the Skogssamer article an article that I created. It is in need for copyediting for Standard English according to the DYK nom reviewer and if you have time for it please help :). Thanks.--BabbaQ (talk) 10:28, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

If you got the time, could you please help me with some Standard English copyediting of the article. Even the smallest edit would be appreciated. Thanks for reviewing it anyway :)--BabbaQ (talk) 16:54, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

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A few minutes ago, I read your post in Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Radio about the American Radio History site. I have been using The ARH site, and I posted a comment under yours.

As I did that, I had a thought, and I'm interested in your reaction. What would you think of creating a list of useful online resources related to radio and posting it as part of the Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Radio page? I have found several that I use regularly as I do research for Wikipedia articles related to old-time radio. I will be glad to post those for other people to use as needed. Perhaps others would add resources that have helped them. I'm still relatively new to Wikipedia, so I wanted your feedback before proceeding. Eddie Blick (talk) 02:45, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for your feedback about the list of resources for radio. After posting that message, I realized that items on the Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Radio page eventually go into archives, where they are read-only and not readily visible. Thus, I'm wondering if some better way exists to post resources so that they would remain available for both reading and editing (in order to be expanded as others are discovered). Do you have a suggestion in that regard? One possibility would be to create a page in my user space and post a link to it on the Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Radio page, inviting people to use it and add resources and/or comments. Eddie Blick (talk) 19:05, 19 July 2014 (UTC)
You are right that the link announcement would eventually be archived. However, I could repost the announcement about the link to get it back on the main page. That would be easier than reposting the entire page of sources. I think I will try creating the list in my user space for now. If someone has a better suggestion, the material can be moved elsewhere. Thanks again for your comments.Eddie Blick (talk) 19:16, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

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I promise that I won't bother you much more about this topic! I have started a page, User:Teblick/Online Resources for Old-Time Radio Research, along the lines of what we have discussed, and I would like your feedback before I proceed. If you have suggestions for improvements, I will be glad to incorporate them. Otherwise, I will add more resources in the next few days. I think I'll wait until I get all of my own resources on there before I post anything about it in the project section. Eddie Blick (talk) 21:36, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the thumbs-up. I'll keep going with it as time permits. Eddie Blick (talk) 02:40, 20 July 2014 (UTC)
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Know you've written quite a few articles on them. Was just thinking about one that's more than 40 years old, but gets your mind working, even though it will never be solved, it seems. See if you can look inside thie book at Amazon if you sign in Blood and Money by Thomas Thompson. This is the story of the death of Houston socialite Joan Robinson Hill, who was a noted horsewoman. Her father, Ash Robinson, made his money in Texas oil. She was her parents' only child (adopted) and wanted for nothing.

After at least 2 hasty marriages that ended in divorce, Joan Robinson fell in love with an up-and-coming plastic surgeon in the area named John Hill. Hill was an accomplished musician. The two had nothing in common-Hill wasn't interested in horses and Joan wasn't serious about music. Joan's father bought them a large mansion in the River Oaks section of Houston, where Hill turned a section of the house into a music room that was fit for professional performances and recording. Though the couple had a son, marital problems set in and Hill became interested in other women. They separated for a while with Hill deciding to reconcile with Joan after a time.

Not long after the reconciliation, Joan became suddenly ill. Her husband treated her at home but instead of improving, she quickly became worse. When Hill was finally willing to admit her to a hospital, she was taken to a relatively small one on the outskirts of Houston, instead of to any number of well-respected hospitals in the city. Shortly after her admission, Joan died. According to law, an autopsy was mandatory, since she had been an inpatient for a short length of time. Through one mistake or another, the funeral home was not notified of the need for an autopsy until after her body was embalmed.

Hill inherited the home from his wife, and not long after her wake and burial, he married the woman he had been seeing while he was still married to Joan. The marriage lasted only a short time, as the second wife claimed he confessed to her that he had killed Joan and said he tried to kill her too. She testified to this at Hill's murder trial, which didn't end in a conviction. He then married for the third time, to a woman who shared his interest in music. During this time, Joan's father, Ash Robinson, became convinced that his former son-in-law killed Joan. Robinson managed to stir up enough legal commotion for a re-trial to be held for Hill.

Before the re-trial began, Hill and his wife went out of town. Shortly before they returned home, an armed intruder forced his way into the house, holding Hlll's mother and his son hostage. The armed man claimed he was there for robbery and would wait for the doctor and his wife to come home. When the couple arrived and entered the house, the armed man killed Hill when he came in the door. The talk was that Ash Robinson had bought a hit on his former son-in-law to get even for his killing Joan. Robinson was eventually put on trial for the killing of Hill.

The second wife (now deceased also) wrote a book called Prescription Murder which was her account of what had happened. This book and the Thompson one were used for the script of the 1981 made for television movie Murder in Texas. Had a copy of the Thompson book some time ago and you couldn't put it down. Searching on Joan Robinson Hill locates various stories about her as a horsewoman, her death, the trial and so forth. We hope (talk) 23:39, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

This is a look at the house inside and out in more recent times. Joan died in 1969; Hill was gunned down in 1972. Ash and Rhea Robinson eventually moved to Florida in an attempt to escape the publicity that continued to surround them in Houston; both died there in the 1980s. If you don't mind some company on this, I'd be glad to work with you on it, as I've been interested in this ever since I read the Thompson book. :) We hope (talk) 20:04, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
I've been relying on my memory of reading the book for the synopsis above, etc. Ann Kurth made some bold statements at the trial and so I understand, in her book, Prescription Murder. Don't recall anything about his killing his father, brother and another doctor in it, though. Here are some photos of those involved in the case--you can see the newspaper photo of John Hill's car that was wrecked when he was allegedly trying to kill Ann Kurth with a syringe. Kurth claimed he deliberately crashed the car on the passenger's side so he could be rid of her, one way or another. Have started a browser folder with obituaries and so on for both Robinsons. Houston Chronicle blog on the anniversary of Joan Robinson Hill's death. Houston Chronicle blog on the anniversary of John Hill's death. What was brought up as a motive for the killing of Joan was that she had threatened to divorce him. In her anger, she told him he had just lost his music room; since her father bought the home for them, it certainly would have remained with Joan. John Hill would have rather been able to earn a living as a musician than as a plastic surgeon; his music meant more to him than medicine. He had hopes of being able to invite noted musicians to perform in the music roon at the Kirby Drive home and had spent an enormous amount of money to convert the space to be top-flight. We hope (talk) 21:26, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
Google Books Texas Justice, Bought and Paid For. This should be enough for a start before your book arrives. ;) We hope (talk) 21:37, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

Quite a bit of what's here is very much like Blood and Money. It may have been used in the book with permission from Thomas Thompson. Note that this book calls Joan's mother Olive--her name was Rhea Olive Robinson. We hope (talk) 21:58, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

Blood and Money

Noodling the keyboard at Google News Archive found that The Palm Beach Post serialized the book in 1977. Most of the sections are here--problem is that there's no first section (no paper in the archive for the date).

  • February 8, 1977 This is tricky as Google claims there's no paper for that date. I found it through the news archive search, not by browsing the newspaper copies. The link is labeled for February 7, but it takes you to the right spot. :) starts with page 48-Google-page A7-paper

Not bad, eh? :) We hope (talk) 00:43, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

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Ann Kurth

This copy of The San Francisco Chronicle is the only news story I've been able to find that positively identifies the person as the "right" Ann Kurth. I can get the basic details from FamilySearch's Texas Death Index, but that doesn't include the information that the Ann Kurth listed there is the one we want details about. Can we use this transcript? We hope (talk) 03:18, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

OK-have found another but it would be good to be able to use the Chronicle one too. :) We hope (talk) 03:47, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
Thanks! :) One of the differences in Thompson's and Kurth's accounts is that Kurth believed John Hill did not die as a result of the shooting, claiming there were reports of him being seen in Mexico and other places after he was said to have been killed. At the time of his death, John Hill was in debt up to his eyes. He owed a lot of money for his legal defense and also was being asked by the IRS to pay back taxes connected with his medical practice. His body was taken to the same funeral home as Joan's, but in this case, the business refused to provide any services unless Connie Hill could pay for them in advance. (She was able to use a life insurance policy of his for his funeral expenses.)

Never read Kurth's book, but the television movie, Murder in Texas was heavily based on it. Would believe that Kurth's thought was that Hill had plenty he wanted to escape and that a claim he was dead would put a stop to the publicity, and so on. Kurth (and later Ash Robinson) claimed that Hill was responsible for his brother's death. He died circa 1963 of an overdose of barbituates, which, from what I've read, was his "solution" to his unhappy life. IMHO, John Hill would have had to be a serial killer to have started murdering like that. His brother is said to have been gay and this, supposedly, was the motive for John Hill's "killing" him--to keep this news from the public. We hope (talk) 13:43, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

BTW-when you get the Thompson book, you will see that Hill was responsible for a death around the time of the death of his brother. He was a surgical resident at the time and had done an abdominal surgery on an indigent alcoholic. During the surgery, Hill accidentally perforated the man's bowel, but did nothing re: fighting the bacteria that was released into his body because of it. The man died and the hospital investigated the death. Hill denied that anything had gone wrong in surgery at first, then had to admit his error. The decision of the hospital was that Hill was a promising young surgeon with a great career ahead of him and that he was under a lot of stress due to his brother's death. (Nothing was done about it.) This would probably make a good footnote as he had "first hand experience" in what bacteria can do to someone. We hope (talk) 16:23, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

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Got my e-mail but had an issue with getting the confirmation e-mail from newspapers.com. I think you use outlook.com for your wiki mail as I do. The mail from newspapers.com wasn't put in the junk folder--it just never arrived in my mailbox, period. I went into my outlook account and added the domain newspapers.com as a trusted sender--got the e-mail without a hitch after that and got the registration completed. (In case you have the same type of trouble.) We hope (talk) 00:30, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

Guess I was forewarned because I noticed that MS wasn't delivering some e-mails before this one. At the first news reports of a hack at eBay, I immediately changed my account password. Trouble was, I was just in a hurry to get it changed to something else; when I wanted to use it recently, I couldn't remember what I'd changed it to. The eBay e-mails were being sent to me but they weren't appearing anywhere in my outlook.com account. I ended up getting a number to make the change by phone. ;)
Great news that you should have the book soon! Have sort of held off adding more information until you had the book. Have also wondered how (where) we should present information re: John Hill's early years. He came from a very religious family, in contrast to Joan, who as a tot told a neighbor who asked her about why she wasn't in church, "I want to go to hell with my daddy!" She often swore like a sailor (which didn't sit well with her husband and his family), but was very involved in helping area charities and in helping youngsters with coaching and pointers with their riding. She was offered a movie contract at about age 18--this was apparently the only thing Ash Robinson forbade her. Ash came from a wealthy background in Louisiana. When he received the money from the sale of the family plantation, he quickly squandered it. He was worth $10 when he married Rhea, telling her what he had done and that he would earn it back and more. We hope (talk) 21:37, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
OK-let's see what happens after you have the book. Hill was a complex man; he would have rather been a musician than a doctor. He scheduled his surgeries around his musical activities. He belonged to a Houston band called "The Heartbeats". The founder of the group was Denton Cooley and it was composed of area doctors who played monthly and at local charity events. Hill always had hopes of playing piano for the group, but his aspirations and his talents didn't match; he played tuba in the band (Cooley played bass). For the Kirby Drive music room, Hill bought a Bösendorfer piano. This was at a time when he insisted that Joan run the household on $100 per week and the couple was struggling to pay Ash back for the loan he'd made to them for the house. ;) We hope (talk) 22:26, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

The book

I was trying to hold off somewhat re: material sourced from the book because there are 3 versions of it--the hardbound, a paperback printed not long after the hardbound one and a reprint of the paperback by a different publishing company in 2001. Didn't know which one you were getting, but thought it might make for the need to change page numbers on what we've already done.

I started some notes in my sandbox, so feel free to have a look or use them. Have done some clipping at newspapers.com for old material from Edcouch for John Hill, and so on--not sure I can list it for you at one link. The my clippings link appears to just apply to me viewing what I've done. Also have some on Chatsworth Farm, the horse farm Ash bought for Joan, and some old horse show news stories re: Joan. Don't worry, we'll get there! :) We hope (talk) 20:41, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

Yes, she was adopted. Rhea was unable to have children. The book has an account by her parents of the adoption. There were rumors that she was the biological daughter of Ash and a secretary at his office. We'll need to make a note about that, but AFAIK, this was never confirmed.
When you need a break, see if you can view this and look at who's waiting for you! :) Have started doing clippings for Paul and Jo and Como and the like. I found that Paul's father was the financial officer at Miss Hall's School in Pittsfield, MA. His parents left for the West Coast in 1944 to manage Paul's finances. They stayed with the surname Wetstein. ;) We hope (talk) 22:09, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
Paul Weston's missing Governors' Award Grammy :) We hope (talk) 23:52, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

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Hope you don't think I bailed out on Joan Robinson Hill. Since I have to view the book at Amazon and there's a limit re: how much one can see, I want to be able to verify what I remember of the book with cites. We need to do something with John Hill and his background as well as a bit of background on her parents. I have quite a few clippings at Newspapers.com for Hill's early and college years.

Also ran into another (surprise) source for British television. Was looking something up at Lantern and found that Motion Picture Daily carried stories on television in both the US and UK circa 1940s-1950s (at least). Something like Billboard's early US television sections, am guessing. You search Lantern here. There's also quite a bit there on British films, if you want or need that too. We hope (talk) 18:46, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

Right-he did study dentistry as a young man. If I remember correctly, he received his inheritance during that time and promptly squandered it. When he married Rhea, he had $10 left to his name and told her what had happened to the rest. He continued on to promise her that he would make that back and more. When it was discovered that she couldn't have children, Ash made arrangements for the adoption that turned out to be Joan. Ash adored his daughter--he often took her out to the oil fields where he was making strikes--and cared for her all by himself also.
Joan had two youthful, "impulse" marriages--one made while she was a student at Stephens College. Ash wasn't very fond of either of his two former sons-in-law and wasn't at all unhappy when those marriages fizzled and she moved back home after each of them. He had hopes that the marriage to John Hill would work our for Joan's sake, and was willing to first of all, have the couple living at the Robinson home, where they lived until after Robert was born. Ash "underwrote" the home on Kirby Drive-just down the street from where he and Rhea lived, as well as footing some bills connected with John Hill's going into private practice, etc. The autopsy you mention was done at the same time as the one Ash hired Milton Helpern to conduct. Dr. Jachimscyk deputized Dr. Helpern as a medical examiner for Harris County just before all medical teams began it. Joan Jaworski testified that she had seen Ash in the company of Lilla Paulus in New Orleans before John Hill's murder; Diane Settegast then testified that Joan Jaworski's eyesight without glasses wasn't good, and that she had been "mistaken" about who the people were that she saw.
Lilla Paulus was previously connected with Ash and Joan because her daughter, Mary Jo, became interested in riding, so it wasn't a new friendship that developed after Joan died. Joan was always kind to Mary Jo and helped her to learn how to ride in competition. John Hill played tuba for a local band called the Heartbeats, which was started by Denton Cooley. The members were all Houston area doctors and played together monthly and for local charity events. Hill wanted to play piano for the group, but didn't have the musical skills to do so. He was put out of the band after he became involved with Ann Kurth and was blatant about it to the point where it became gossip fodder.
We need to describe the music room with the Bösendorfer piano Hill built at the home, because it is central to the argument that he killed Joan so he could have the home and most of all, his music room. I think there's a photo of it in your copy of the book (there was in mine) and I've seen more recent photos taken of it, but I know of no photos of the room that are in the public domain. Even if they were published in a newspaper, the dating is such that they would still be protected by the newspaper's copyright. Not sure if we could justify a non-free photo of it or not. Have found some "old enough" photos of Joan (her wedding photo) and John Hill as a youngster and as a college grad. These are from the Edcouch local paper, which I believe (but will check) never renewed copyright, if they ever bothered to file for it at all.
I use Lantern a lot for film and television information and photos. They keep adding magazines, etc., to the cite via internet archive, but the best way to search all of this is through the Lantern search engine as it's much easier to determine whether a cite is what you're looking for or not. Just never realized Film Daily had British television information in it until today, when I literally stumbled into it on the way to something else.:) We hope (talk) 23:00, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
Here are recent photos of the music room; will try to find an earlier one. There were rumors that Joan was Ash's biological daughter, but if you look at Rhea's account, she went out of town to the foundling home. Ash had told her to choose a child and made no stipulations about which one. If Rhea's account is true, she chose Joan on her own. We hope (talk) 23:53, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
Let me talk with Crisco1492 about the photo situation. He's just had his graduation and his parents are visiting from Canada, so it probably needs to wait a bit. I know that the Hill home was sold in 1981. At the time, Connie was preparing to remarry and Robert was living in Pensacola, Florida, just as Ash and Rhea were. The home was held in a trust so the sale required the consent of all those involved-Robert and Connie and Ash and Rhea. Since Connie is a musician, it would seem likely that the Boesendorfer piano remained in the home while she lived there. What we don't know is whether the home's furnishings were sold to the home's buyer or perhaps as a house sale in preparation for the sale of the property.
I had the Dell paperback copy of the book and could pick up another copy easily enough. Regardless of whether we use a photo from the book or one from the series at the link, I think we can justify the use of the non-free music room photo because it will be the subject of commentary and help in the understanding of the amount of money Hill spent on this room; also how it's central to the theory of his killing Joan-to keep the home and that glorious room. Joan was angry about the amount of money her husband poured into that room. When Diane Settegast and Eunice Woolen arrived for their stay, as she showed them around the house, she remarked, "Have you seen our own little Versailles?" as she led them into the music room. We hope (talk) 13:53, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

I think the Thompson block quote is great! :) We hope (talk) 21:32, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

There doesn't seem to be any way other than to quote what Thompson wrote re: description. We only have other short, attributed quotes in the article. This isn't a quotefarm like this article and the complaints about this one. We hope (talk) 21:51, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
Can you find this in your copy? I think I remember the argument taking place shortly before Settegast and Woolen arrived from Dallas. I think it started when Robert went for a haircut with his Dad and they stopped at his apartment. When he got home, Robert, not realizing the problems it would create, mentioned the visit to the apartment to his mother. Joan told Hill- "You've just lost your wife, your son and your god damn music room." Its shown as being on p. 102 of the 2001 reprinted edition. This sort of "sets up" the possible motive for Hill's doing away with Joan--to keep the music room. Her illness and death occurred very shortly after this heated exchange. Re: the Imperial Grand--anytime! :) We hope (talk) 22:05, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
The page number differences may be because the reprint is a paperback. It may also be because the original Dell papeback had quite a few photo pages in it and they were included in the 2001 edition. Now that you say what you did, I believe it was after the dinner--this is why I didn't want to rely 100% on my memory. Can remember what happened, but sometimes it's a little out of sequence. ;) I think if we can get that into the article, we have enough to try for a photo of the music room, on the basis of needing help with the description and as a possible motive for Hill's doing away with Joan. We hope (talk) 22:32, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
I've just asked advice from someone who's good at NFCC--if he can tell me we can go ahead with the non free photo, I'll upload this from the realtor's site when the home was last on the market and you'll have something to look forward to in the morning! We hope (talk) 23:16, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
BTW-Vann Maxwell is the friend and neighbor who played "lookout" for Joan after John Hill left and came back for that talk. She and Joan drove until they found Hill and Kurth at the pharmacy. :) We hope (talk) 23:21, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

Take a look at this. It's a summary of testimony in Lilla Paulus' appeal in 1981. A lot of citable stuff here. ;) No word yet on the music room photo. We hope (talk) 14:33, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

Here's another summary for the case and he's called William Mitchell here too. Not sure which is the real name of the doctor-he may have spoken to Thompson on the condition that his real name not be used. We hope (talk) 16:12, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
Let me see what I have in the way of clippings that might mention the gun owner's name. I doubt they'd allow anything but the person's real name in testimony and on things like police reports. We can decide by "not deciding", if you will, by saying a Houston area doctor and including a note that two different names were recorded for the owner of the weapon, :) We hope (talk) 18:34, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

Bad news--the quote is too long and the photo won't work. :(( We hope (talk) 19:16, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

Here's what I came up with to replace the direct quote--see what you think: We hope (talk) 19:44, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

It became a ballroom-sized room with a double-height ceiling full of Renaissance-type frescoes and where Baccarat crystal chandeliers were hung. The carved marble fireplace was taken from an old Louisiana plantation home. Hill chose parquet flooring and a gold and white color scheme for the entire room. The pianos were placed at one end, and at the other, were French provincial sofas cushioned by an oriental carpet. The gold and white silk wall panels concealed shelves for records, music-related books and Hill's musical instruments which could only be opened by secret touch. Hill had 108 speakers installed in the room which were connected with four miles worth of wiring. He spent more than $20,000 on just the sound system for the music room. Hill also added a hidden movie screen as his collection of comedy films was also hidden behind one of the silk wall panels.

Added the part about the movie screen because Diane Settegast testified that he was watching Laurel & Hardy films the evening before Joan's funeral. It was suggested that he was trying to entertain Robert and a playmate with the films, We hope (talk) 20:16, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

I have my eye on some newspaper photos both at Newspaper.com and some old clippings from the now-defunct Houston Press re: photos of the main persons in the article, but need to wait for copyright.gov to re-open on Monday morning to run renewal checks and also to ask Crisco 1492 if anything can be done to enhance them; the quality isn't very good since they are newsprint photos. We hope (talk) 19:53, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
We'll just have to wait and see about the newspaper photos and if the realtor will let us use the music room photo. While trying to find something more about the doctor the gun was stolen from, I found two clippings you might want to see:
For an old case that probably won't ever be solved, there are still quite a few shocking news stories for it! :) We hope (talk) 21:01, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
I've just been reading this summary and it says the doctor testified he gave the gun to McKittrick. You'll also see she worked under a pseudonym of Dusty, and that the doctor, as Mitchell, left a message at Paulus' for her. This account goes into handwriting comparision for the airline arrival times, the Robinson phone number and a note written on the back of an unused check "You had better tell Ash they are trying to sepono (sic) Ma." (Many referred to Rhea as "Ma".) This goes into detail re: McKittrick & Vandiver traipsing to Las Vegas to kill Hill there. They weren't able to find him so they drove back to Houston. It also has an account from McKittrick re: dropping Vandiver at the Kirby Drive home and waiting for his call. We hope (talk) 22:00, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

Just ran into this

Johnny' Mercer's Music Shop

vinyl

No idea when this came out but know that Paul and Jo both worked on this and we don't have anything on it. We hope (talk) 21:23, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

from All Music We hope (talk) 21:26, 24 August 2014 (UTC)
Volume 3 also. We hope (talk) 21:27, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

There are at least 6 of these volumes and Paul and Jo appear to be on them all--can't find volume 1 so far.

volume 4

volume 5

volume 6 We hope (talk) 21:32, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

Just started to try pulling some things together for Johnny Mercer's Music Shop. I doubt whether Capitol Records would have come through the Musicians' Strike without that radio program, because the company was quite new and had no chance to stockpile recordings of their artists to release over the length of the strike as most to all of the older labels did. The show started as a summer replacement program for Bob Hope's. Have just hit a lot of "stops" though, because I can't finish reading a page or pages (limited previews) Just read that Jo said the program was taken off the air in 1944 because Mercer "sounded too black". (He was from Savannah, GA.)
I'm not too clear on this--would need to ask Dr. B. about it, but I believe one can get a grant for books through WP in the UK. (No idea whether this applies to other chapters elsewhere.) I think he got a grant he used to buy some books for writing articles--would you be interested in something like that? (Then we could read the rest of what Jo said.) There's also some material in some of the Johnny Mercer books on Jo and Paul and the pages aren't part of the preview.
Another thing--when you search Google Books, you have to be very careful that you start reading a transcript of a print book and not an e-book as the e-books don't have page numbers. I found that out on Red Skelton and had to go to another edition (print) to find the page numbers.
Will see what else pops up for Huddleston. I have news re: Paul Weston from back in 1952, but I can't find out what happened to Ben Pollack's lawsuit.

story 1

story 2

Am doubtful that it turned into anything--tried using the case summary database we're using for Joan Robinson Hill, but there was nothing re: Pollack's 1952 suit. We hope (talk) 22:19, 24 August 2014 (UTC)
Huddleston settled for $9,000 in 1947. We hope (talk) 22:39, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

And now, if you haven't heard enough about Houston for today, check these out: :) We hope (talk) 22:51, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

Cecil Burglass

Vann Maxwell

Books mentioning Johnny Mercer, Jo Stafford and Paul Weston

  • Skylark: The Life and Times of Johnny Mercer By Philip Furia

This is where Jo's quoted as saying the show was taken off the air because Mercer "sounded too black".

  • Portrait of Johnny: The Life of John Herndon Mercer By Gene Lees

An old friend--we know his writing from what he'd written about Jo and Paul. Looks like quite a bit of qoutes re: Mercer from Jo.

  • Conductors and Composers of Popular Orchestral Music: A Biographical and Discographical Sourcebook By Naomi Musiker, Reuben Musiker

This is from February of this year, has what appears to be quite a bit about Paul (which may have come from right here for all we know). It's only available in e-book form and has a $180.00 price tag We hope (talk) 23:22, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

I'm seeing both Skylark and Portrait of Johnny print books on sale at a reasonable amount on US eBay. We hope (talk) 18:48, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

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Rona Fairhead has been nominated for Did You Know

Music room photo

Have just sent e-mail to the realtor asking for the PD release of the music room photo. Wanted to get that done this week because everything will be at a standstill September 1--Labor Day in the US. We hope (talk) 18:46, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

See what you think of this File:Joan Robinson Hill 1960.jpg We hope (talk) 21:05, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
Will try working with more from the news clip--from 1960 and the now defunct Houston Press by Scripps-Howard. We hope (talk) 21:24, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
Found a riding magazine with her photos in it. Am trying to work on more of the newspaper ones. We hope (talk) 23:09, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

Paul, do you see anything in the book about this? "The district Attorneys office, learning about the autopsy snafu, sent the county medical examiner to the funeral with orders to stop it if needed. Dr Jachimczyk didnt see the need. Joan was buried early afternoon on the 21st. Dr. Jachimczyk learned the urine and blood samples were still available at the hospital. Dr. Morse provided several tissue samples, but not much else."

How about this from the Amazon online copy of the book? "Page 37 … riding costume in exactly the same shade as Belinda—a lustrous pe… Page 55 …appearance, Joan dressed a final time in the gray riding costume t…" Joan had a riding habit made in the exact shade as Beloved Belinda which she wore at shows. We hope (talk) 02:29, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

Another one-read that while Hill was willing to take the sodium pentothal exam, he was not willing to take a polygraph. Ann Kurth claimed that he had self-medicated with something prior to the test that would counter the effects of the sodium pentothal. We hope (talk) 04:03, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for looking! At times, I read about this on the internet and realize that all claims made on various sites aren't true or can't be substantiated. Let's try the quote since it's short. :) We hope (talk) 19:33, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
More about Tim Tay Shun We hope (talk) 23:21, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
You can save the clipping as a PDF file too. It details how Paul gave the go ahead for Jo to step in to help out Red Ingle and so on. It also goes into detail re: how she was able to lose the weight. I think you'll like it. ;) We hope (talk) 23:52, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
I have so many clippings!:) My user name at newspapers.com is wehopewiki and you're most welcome to use anything I've clipped. I found details re: Chatsworth Farm online-in 1980, Ash was suing a couple he rented the property to as the executor for Joan's will. I don't know whether the one that named John Hill as getting everything had her Dad as the executor for it or not. So the farm was still owned by the family as of then. Don't remember offhand if the clipping re: Robert's deciding to sell the Kirby Drive house goes into enough detail about it or not, but the home (and I'd believe the farm also) was owned by a trust that included Ash, Rhea and Robert. Not sure if Connie had a stake in the trust or not offhand. I know that initally Connie and Robert claimed the will was a forgery--the one that willed everything to Ash. Right now I feel as useful as an extra thumb (an extra hand might be of some help) with the article. We hope (talk) 23:51, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
The will Ash produced that left everything to him must have been deemed genuine. The clipping that talks about Robert Hill deciding to sell the Kirby Drive house in 1981 says that Joan left her share in the house to her father and rebutted the claim that the will was a forgery. A probate court circa 1978 ruled that Ash was indeed Joan's heir. Robert to sell the home. We hope (talk) 03:41, 28 August 2014 (UTC)
Agree with you re: the quote about the sodium pentothal--McMaster thought that something had gone amiss with the session because he thought Hill was too composed. Not sure why he refused to take a polygraph but was willing to do sodium pentothal. What I think happened with the will is that Joan became upset when he served her with divorce papers and went to her father for help/advice. Ash typed up what she said as she talked and she signed it at some point when she was angry/upset. We hope (talk) 21:54, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

You're right--this is part 1 ! :) We hope (talk) 21:36, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

The secrets of Tim Tay Shun :) We hope (talk) 22:45, 29 August 2014 (UTC)
Did you ever find out what happened with the Gold Seal Company (sponsors of Jo's first television program) and CBS and why it was brought before a US Congress committee? When we first discovered this not that long ago, we hit a dead end because we weren't able to find news stories and/or read the book that went into detail about it. I pulled out everything that was in the magazines about it at Lantern, but we couldn't go any further with what we had. We hope (talk) 22:49, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
When the show left the air because CBS wanted it off.
Harold Schafer owner of Gold Seal. Maybe we can find some news stories? Neither Amazon nor Google offers enough of a look for us to determine what happened when Schafer pressed CBS. We know whatever did happen, it didn't put the television program back on CBS. We hope (talk) 23:32, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
Nothing at news stories Broadcasting magazine 1957. There's more in Congressional material but it's ever so nice to see we are locked out of reading the 1957 US government proceedings. :(

Snippet view-monopoly hearings "tember 1955, Jo Stafford should go off the air, Gold Seal no longer should sponsor that show." Millions of our consumers who bought our products in response to Jo Stafford's nice program were somewhat lost for an expression or a possibility ..."

Snippet view-hearings 1956

Snippet view-hearings 1957

All the same text but with nothing other than a snippet view for USG material. :((( We hope (talk) 00:04, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

At present, I'm chasing a bunch of old comic strip files. Ran into some that were in great shape and were before 1923, so I started uploading them to Commons yesterday. When I came to check out something last night, I found that there were a great many that are actually public domain--before 1923--were uploaded years ago and were sitting here with non-free licenses. Some were reduced so much, they were impossible to read. Couldn't have read the dating if I hadn't found larger copies of them elsewhere. So am now trying to see what may be able to be re-licensed as PD. We hope (talk) 19:26, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

Joanna Yeates

I have nominated the article for a possible feature at the TFA section. Take a look at the nom. Wikipedia:Today's featured article/requests/Murder of Joanna Yeates Thanks.--BabbaQ (talk) 00:00, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

It got approval for TFA feature :) Happy happy ..--BabbaQ (talk) 21:41, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
May I suggest nominating Jo Stafford for the same. It is a really good and interesting article.--BabbaQ (talk) 21:53, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
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