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Queen Elizabeth II[edit]

Please note that I have disputed the neutrality of this article. Jguk reverted my NPOV template, claiming that the NPOV dispute is just a personal campaign of one person. Whig 09:07, 15 May 2005 (UTC)


I have no issue with a Category:Milnes. I didn't do that myself simply because (1) I wasn't sure I could just create a catefory and (2) I'm not sure how useful it is given that there may only be a dozen Milnes (at a stretch) that ever make it into Wikipedia. But thanks, anyway.

Now to see how you do this fancy editing thing on your talk page...  :-)

--Douglas 19:46, 15 May 2005 (UTC)

Trey Stone[edit]

Ja, ik heb de pagina gelezen en heb ook mijn steun gegeven aan de petitie omtrent deze gebruiker. Meer kan ik voorlopig niet doen ... Veel succes en good luck! Meursault2004 21:49, 15 May 2005 (UTC)


And it's bad to be called a antifujimorista, why? Just wondering. - Big Brother is Watching


Well I figured I could certify the Kapil Rfc as I was the victim of his ire. As he got me got me muddled up with someone else's edits I figure he is just lashing out without even checking things out, and as it could have been any user a new user might have left wikipedia for ever etc. Anyway you could also put this as my attempt to mediate with him Sunday night. Que le vaya bien, SqueakBox 01:19, May 17, 2005 (UTC)


I'm not fond of RfCs and the like but of course I think Kapil needs to mend his ways. I think you could justifiably have gone straight to arbitration, because let's face it, he's not going to respond to an RfC. These guys don't. Grace Note 11:28, 17 May 2005 (UTC)

sigh It's practically pointless anyway. He'll just come back as a new user. Eventually, editors with good will tire out and they win, simply because they are determined to revert and revert until they have their way.Grace Note 00:18, 18 May 2005 (UTC)

Grace Note[edit]

How about telling Grace Note to try and revert intelligently and lay off the Fidel Castro smoking a Cohiba picture, or at least to give a good reason for placing it back on? Gonna watch me closely now, are you? Ooooooh the communist bravado. Have it your way, at least I'm trying to get a NPOV on Fidel Castro while Grace Note keeps acting like a 6-year old. And yes, if I get banned for whatever reason I'll probably just keep reverting it until it's more neutral, it's absolutely preposterous that the positive things muttered about Castro can just remain there (as encyclopaedic content) without so much as a good (neutral) source. Grace Note hasn't provided a source yet, yet (s)he continues reverting. Sigh, on to continue the revert war with Grace Note, I'm guessing, until a source is provided. Kapil 01:02, 19 May 2005 (UTC)


Thanks for the spam tips. There is a lot I don't know about Wikipedia. I'm just a casual wikipedia contributor but I can't resist to click at least once a day on 'my watchlist' :-) Chardon

Marxism, marxism and marxian thought[edit]

Marxism is an ideology often taken to worship Karl Marx the individual. marxism is an ideology which recognises Marx's importance, but isn't interested in leader worship. marxian thought is even more so. Fifelfoo 03:00, 20 May 2005 (UTC)

Terrorist categories again[edit]

Nominate them for deletion. Obviously, I'll vote to delete them. Remind me when this comes up, because I'm only minimally on Wikipedia the next few weeks. (p.s.: love the Callas photo) -- Jmabel | Talk 18:12, May 20, 2005 (UTC)


I have this habit of being too cryptic. I also talk to myself a lot. I think the two things are connected. What I meant by the blank space was that I didn't feel I needed to comment on KT's rant. He'd proved my point. I do feel sorry for the guy, but not enough to think he should be allowed to continue. I've said enough, and am withdrawing from the discussion, but I will be interested to see what happens in the end. --Mothperson 01:31, 21 May 2005 (UTC)


Hallo Viajero, ik reageer nu pas omdat mijn internetaansluiting thuis afgesloten is :'-( Ik zit nu in een of ander internetcafé. Ik vind het leuk dat je geïnteresseerd bent in Indonesië. Ja ik spreek Nederlands en ik spreek het eigenlijk beter dan Engels, daarom schrijf ik in het Nederlands :-) Bij Engels moet ik nadenken. Zelf ben ik geboren in Indonesie, maar toen ik 10-11 jaar oud was ging ik mee met mijn ouders naar Nederland. Daarom kan ik Nederlands spreken. In Indonesie zijn er (helaas) niet zoveel mensen meer die Nederlands kunnen spreken. Ze leren liever Engels hoewel het Nederlands nog altijd tot verbeelding spreekt voor veel mensen. Er zijn veel mensen die Nederlands studeren op de universiteiten. Verder is het vak Nederlands verplicht voor rechtenstudenten omdat de Indonesische wetgevingg gebaseerd is op het Romeinse Nederlandse koloniale recht.

Rijsttafel is inderdaad een Nederlandse uitvinding :-) In Indonesie wordt het bijna nooit zo opgediend hoewel de keuken van Padang (Minangkabau of West Sumatra) het dichtst bij in de buurt komt. Bij een Padangs restaurant krijgen alle klanten alle schoteltjes voor zich geserveerd en betaalt hij of zij alleen de gerechten die h/zij genomen heeft. OK tot volgende keer! BTW ben jij van Italiaanse afkomst ofzo? Maar je nickname klinkt eerder Spaans Meursault2004 10:58, 21 May 2005 (UTC)

Trey again[edit]

fyi, Trey should be taking a block for the next 24h starting real-soon now. Davenbelle 11:03, May 21, 2005 (UTC) (re: Amy Goodman; 3RR)

Bibliogr Refs[edit]

On AGarcía's talk page. Did that make sense? Coffee still not quite kicking in yet. Hajor 15:00, 21 May 2005 (UTC)

Peruvian Wikipedians[edit]

Hello! I thought you might interested in adding your self to the Peruvian Wikipedian list. --Dynamax 09:32, 22 May 2005 (UTC)


Like dreadlocks? There's a silly debate happening there at the moment. Perhaps you'd like to take a look. — Chameleon 21:28, 22 May 2005 (UTC)

Ah, don't worry. It's all under control. — Chameleon 17:32, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

Lima districts[edit]

Hi Viajero. Thanks, I like to follow that general rule, too. However, I renamed the district articles for the sake of uniformity. In many provinces outside of the Lima Province, districts are not the smallest subdivision, there are even smaller political subdivisions called ciudades, caceríos or anexos, which often have the same name as the districts they belong to. For example, the city of Huancayo does not cover all of Huancayo district, therefore it is necessary to create different articles; in this case the most logical solution would be naming the city's article as "Huancayo" and the district's article as "Huancayo District".

Since in Spanish the district's full names are Distrito de ... and since it would be confusing to have district articles with unstandardized names ("Villa el Salvador" & "Huancayo District", both being articles about districts) I decided to standardize the names of the ca. 1820 districts in Peru and make all of them end with the word District. Greetings, --Tuomas hello 00:23, May 23, 2005 (UTC)

As I said before, the districts' official names in Spanish (Distrito de Villa El Salvador) should also be taken into consideration. If all articles were to have the simplest name possible, then why do many articles about US counties (for example, Wakulla County, Florida) have such "long" names? Probably because their official full name is x County (article Wakulla is empty). The same thing happens here in Peru with districts. By the way, users in the Spanish-language wikipedia have taken the same step and renamed all articles to Distrito de x'. I doubt that writing in a forum with just one participant would have much sense. That's what your talk page is for. --Tuomas hello 17:21, May 23, 2005 (UTC)
Okay, I messed up. You win, changes reverted. --Tuomas hello 02:41, May 26, 2005 (UTC)

Standard operas[edit]

Your propsal is fine with me.

I added the missing operas to the list. I also moved 4 or so from the standard to the history section. I will let it sit a day or two. Then maybe do some pruning of operas that as not famous and not often performed -DrG 06:01, 2005 May 23 (UTC)

Deleting subcats[edit]

I think the key is nominating multiple categories simultaneously (as I've done for the terrorist cats). Some of them weren't subcats of cat:terrorism, and it is not always applicable to automatically delete subcats on all occasions. Your idea seems a good one in principle, but I cannot presently think of a good way to word it for adding to deletion policy. Yours, Radiant_* 07:31, May 23, 2005 (UTC)

  • Okay, I see it's on CFD talk now. I'll join the discussion there. Thanks, Radiant_* 09:02, May 24, 2005 (UTC)

Posada Carriles[edit]

Hello...I believe, although I'm not 100% certain, that "Carriles" is indeed his mother's family name and not part of a compound name. Hope that bit of information is of use. Juancarlos2004 18:48, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

3rr violation ban was extremely unjust[edit]

The user and I were talking on IRC. We were discussing things, there was neither a rever war nor an issue. He did not realise his error. Now the two other users have nothing to do with the discussion, they are mere annoyance. --Cool Cat My Talk 21:51, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

Le Nozze di Figaro / The Marriage of Figaro[edit]

Although a few months ago I must admit I redirected a few opera articles from their common English names to their original titles, I have now seen the light. So I've proposed moving Le Nozze di Figaro to The Marriage of Figaro. Since a redirect exists there now, it requires an admin to do it and discussion on Talk:Le Nozze di Figaro. If you'd like to comment there, it would be appreciated. Thanks much. --BaronLarf 13:46, May 25, 2005 (UTC)

Your edits[edit]

Cheers, mate. Like the Zapatero edits too, vaya pues, SqueakBox 15:41, May 25, 2005 (UTC)


...for alerting me to the opera Wikiproject! Cheers, Antandrus (talk) 15:42, 26 May 2005 (UTC)

Fujimori & Alan Garcia[edit]

FWIW, I want you to know that I didn't come up with that text about Fujimori wanting to arrest Alan G; it was in the article that Messhermit spun off -- I assume he added it -- and I only did him the courtesy of restoring all of his text to the AF article. As an aside, I find it highly ironical that most people then supported his arrest, since he now appears to be the leading candidate to become the next president of Peru. -- Viajero | Talk 17:47, 26 May 2005 (UTC)

  • I believe that it is almost universal in underdeveloped countries (with a few exceptions) that the outgoing leaders have no support and most citizens would like to see them in jail, because they end up not delivering on their promises (as most politicians). And then, after a few short years and another underperforming leader, old leaders have a shot to come back. Exactly what is happening with Alan Garcia and perhaps even Fujimori (in this coming election or in the next).--AAAAA 02:38, 27 May 2005 (UTC)


Good to hear from you again. I don't know how much help I can be... I'm just stopping by (not returning as an active, regular contributor) to fix only some of the more egregious problems that I can spot. So whatever influence I had in the past is almost certainly gone... I wish you luck with the case, though I wouldn't expect it. The function of the Arbcom seems to be protecting users like Trey Stone and driving off users who try to strive for higher standards, rejecting the idea of Wikipedia as some sort of social club. 172 13:25, 27 May 2005 (UTC)

Take a look at SqueakBox's user contribution history. He's applying for assistance from Sam Spade... I didn't know that Sam Spade had a "detective agency" until now. I saw that and finally realized that Wikipedia is hopeless. 172 20:05, 28 May 2005 (UTC)

User:Sam Spade/Report rogue admin[edit]

Hi, Viajero. Please see this and comment if you like. Thanks. El_C 22:40, 28 May 2005 (UTC)

His evidence[edit]

Note that I withdrew out of the Socialism article because Jack used BS in an edit summary to revert my changes. (WP:Civility) [1] El_C 23:40, 28 May 2005 (UTC) See also: I recall the dust-up with Shorne quite well, and I remember that El C was a voice of reason even when things became quite heated. Mackensen (talk) 21:54, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC) [2] El_C 23:47, 28 May 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the note[edit]

Peace --

I certainly appreciate the sentiments ... it's just a strange time, I think. Even after all this media coverage about the Qur'an thing, I saw some on-line poll today that said that 67% of the public had no problem with what had been happening at Gitmo. That kind of willful suspension of disbelief makes me gasp.

I think perhaps there is a mindset that cries "anti-Americanism" in the face of any problem like this, but I liked to think such people were on the fringe... I also like to think that great figures from our past like John Quincy Adams Lincoln and Harry Truman would have been proud be called "anti-Americans" by such, and would draw the line when people are treated like animals, have their religion desecrtated, and are beaten to death by our military.

You've seen the Bagram article, I know, but ...note too that US citizens have been abucted and tortured now under the connivance of the FBI...

This, like the Bush/Blair memo confirming that intelligence had been "fixed" to justify invasion in Iraq, was essentially a non-story in the mainstream US media. Like the Witch sprinkled poppies over all the editors-in-chief or something.

Such developments make me think outlets like WP are particularly important nowabouts.

Keep in touch,

Brandon Yusuf Toropov

Hi again -- I did look at the rendition WP article, and I'd like very much to read the Jane Mayer article in the NEW YORKER that you mention. Alas, I can't find it hooking up to anything accessible via Google. You wouldn't have a copy (or link) you could email to me?
Many thanks for the reference. BrandonYusufToropov 00:00, 30 May 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for the ref, I have added that article to my watchlist and am about halfway through the New Yorker article. If you have access to the NY Times, check out Bob Herbert's Memorial Day column today, some highlights of which are:
It's now known that many of the individuals swept up in and confined at Guantanamo and elsewhere were innocent. The administration says it has evidence it could use to prove the guilt of detainees currently at Guantanamo, but much of the evidence is secret, and therefore cannot be revealed. This is where the war on terror meets Never-Never Land.... (Column continues:) "How," asked Senator Patrick Leahy of Vermont, "can our State Department denounce countries for engaging in torture while the C.I.A. secretly transfers detainees to the very same countries for interrogation?"
Like almost everyone else in the mainstream media, however, Herbert is apparently not emotionally ready to close his eyes, think of England, and type the word "torture" on his keyboard without deleting it (unless he's quoting someone braver than he). We're still dealing with problems of "abuse" and "humiliation," it seems, as well as the cases of people who were "even killed." What other word besides "torture" could adequately describe, for instance, the rankest of the outrages at Bagram, I am unable to say.
Same issue of the Times has a story (Page A12), IN RISING NUMBERS, LAWYERS HEAD FOR GUANTANAMO BAY, that purports to document some reduction in blood-lust, commensurate with exposure to attorneys from outside. Not surprising, but what of the concentration camps discussion of whose existence remains crimethink? BrandonYusufToropov 18:00, 30 May 2005 (UTC)


I'll need some help on Rios Montt. SqueakBox has ignored just about every substantive point that I've made and instead just keeps on browbeating me over the same points over and over again. As usual, I don't know what can be done about an editor like this. 172 03:24, 30 May 2005 (UTC)


Thanks for your good work on Eric Foner. I'm afraid some of the clumsy prose was mine. A related article that I have abused with poor writing is James M. McPherson. He's another Civil War historian. Cheers, -Willmcw 01:08, May 31, 2005 (UTC)

Great job. Thanks! -Willmcw 17:19, May 31, 2005 (UTC)


Thanks, excellent job. Hajor 12:46, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)


Just wanted to ask about your recatorisation of Konspire2b from Peer to peer to File sharing programs -- my understanding is that the two categories are orthogonal (i.e. centralised programs can share files (e.g. FTP) and P2P systems exist that don't share files, (e.g. DNS)) -- shouldn't we list both categories rather than choosing one or the other? At the moment it doesn't appear in the P2P category, despite being such a program. Ojw 18:19, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Layout fix Amsterdam[edit]

Why did you fix the layout of the article on Amsterdam? Was there something wrong, or did you just not like it? Ilse@ 21:18, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)

What is going on?[edit]

Yes of course, I copied your profile a bit, however, I wanted to show you that I show the same solidarity you do to this site. Why are you guys deleting things?

I have totally brought this page up from almost zero. I've submitted photos, why do you guys have problems with the mothers being on the page?

you need to watch the videos in here

honestly look @ least at the 20 MB file... sorry don't have a smaller one right now. but believe me, I'm trying to be as unbiased as possible. I did not delete his information? he's deleting my information?

Also why do you make the page look less legit by moving where the sources are quoted as... I want the text to have the "out link" so to speak.

the way you do it makes it look like its in the footnote. most of all, your last edit "viajero" when you restored it to Hajor's deleted a huge section of footnotes of a bibliography that encourages people to read more. Are you guys working for the Mexican government or what? Why are you defending the murderers? Are you one of those that calls the mothers crying babies, who should preoccupy themselves with other issues other than the murder of their daughters. How would you feel if your daughter was murdered and the police just photocopied the newspaper article and inserted it into your daughters case file and called it a day.

I'm not even telling the audience exactly everything I believe about what is going on. I'm just hinting them to investigate on their own.

This stuff about "rehashing" that fox keeps saying is ridiculous. Somebody is misinforming the president. The murders are totally happening. Tell that to the mothers and children of the women that have been killed this year. tell that to the 7 year old girl that was murdered. The women are being consumed the way we consume the products from maquiladoras, and then dispose of them as if they were trash. The non profits and activists that have come up since the deaths of the women are being accused of scaring people into living in Juarez, they blame the mothers, not the government or the murderers themselves. I know the police has been trying to help, but who is to say that they have not botched investigations? The sad truth is that they have. In many cases, they have the DNA of the murderers and still yet they can't come up with who did it? How is this possible? You tell me?


i remember what happened,,[edit]

i copied & forgot to delete..

was an accident don't worry about it.. z

Category:Operas by title[edit]

DrG seems to now be adding Category:Operas by title to every single opera. This seems rather superfluous and a misuse of categories to me; what do you think?--BaronLarf 03:27, Jun 2, 2005 (UTC)

Did you mention it on the WP:VP? I can't find it anywhere. If not, I'll post it; just didn't want to duplicate. Cheers. --BaronLarf 14:27, Jun 2, 2005 (UTC)
Duly added at WP:VPA. --BaronLarf 15:17, Jun 2, 2005 (UTC)
Having created a list as a substitute and waiting for a couple days for more debate or another solution, I've listed this on CfD (WP:CfD#Category:Operas by title). Cheers.--BaronLarf 12:49, Jun 13, 2005 (UTC)


I am intrigued by your perception of me. Probably spot on. Things have calmed down anyway at Rios Montt. I felt that eventually 172 allowed me to add my material. I am as POV as the next person, just not normally with Latin American politics. Those November 2003 elections had a profound impact on my life, so maybe that is a part of why I have strong feelings around Montt. When I saw him speak it was his daughter Zury, sounding like a screaming witch, who really scared me, SqueakBox 23:05, Jun 2, 2005 (UTC)


fyi, I'm back just a little these days; things are good! Davenbelle 03:35, Jun 4, 2005 (UTC)

Image:Amsterdamse_vlag.jpg listed for deletion[edit]

An image or media file that you uploaded or altered, Image:Amsterdamse_vlag.jpg, has been listed at Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion. Please look there to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in its not being deleted. Thank you. —MetsBot 19:27, 9 December 2006 (UTC) Zscout370 (Sound Off) 03:12, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)


He does seem to like adding photos of Nazis to articles; I'll take a look. Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 09:45, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Many thanks for your note[edit]

... and for the spot-on references. The "statelessness" point was a chillng one that I had not considered in those terms.

The Qur'an abuse article was a featured news story today on the WP homepage, which made my heart quicken. :)

Do you suppose there is a current-events-driven article to be developed regarding AI's description of Gitmo as the "gulag of our times"? Or the Bush human rights record in general? Curious for your thoughts. BrandonYusufToropov 13:39, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Hi again -- the abduction of the German Muslim to Guantanamo is certainly a terrifying story. Thanks so much for passing it along.
Re: the human rights piece: I'm sure you're right. Yet if there is a hard news event to connect these things to, there is sometimes a better chance for high visibility. (We had POV battles at the Qur'an desecration page, too, but facts and new revelations got in the way of the disruptions.) I guess I'm still waiting for another topic offering similar clarity, similarly demonstrable evidence of contempt for international law, and similar relevance to the average curious person. I'll let you know if something hits me. BrandonYusufToropov 14:46, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
This for instance... perhaps something about indictments for violations of international law, tying into AI charges? Wasn't there something with Rumsfeld being indicted in Germany? Do you have anything on that? Or know how it has affected his travel plans? BrandonYusufToropov 21:01, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Spam blocking[edit]

Hi Viajero,

I have to admit I'm more in favour of removing spam links than most people, but your 1 year block on User: for consistently adding a spam link to Amsterdam caught my attention. It seems a bit strong, given that they only had two warnings. Is there some prior history here that isn't so obvious? -- Solipsist 19:33, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Hi, as you can see from that users contributions [3], their only activity on Wikipedia over the past year has been to try to add that link to the Amsterdam page; by my count twenty times. Each time it gets reverted by another editor. There was also some discussion about this issue on the Talk page in which he/she took part, but evidently in vain. HTH, -- Viajero | Talk 20:00, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
That's what I figured. I think you were right to block - its just that a full year block is a longer than the arbitration committee typically hands out, even for cases of egregious disruption and vandalism. The typical 24 hr block probably wouldn't work as they are only an occaisional visitor, but it looks like they would notice a 1 month block to start with and you could escalate from there. -- Solipsist 20:14, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Ok, reduced to thirty days. -- Viajero | Talk 20:22, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Lets hope it works. A message on their talk page stating that they have been blocked is usually a good idea too. -- Solipsist 20:36, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Great rework on intro...[edit]

... to desecration of Qur'an article. Many thanks! 22:36, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Definitely agree. BrandonYusufToropov 22:50, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for your support[edit]

Thank you for voting on my RFA. Have some pie! I was pleasantly surprised by the sheer number of supporters (including several people that usually disagree with my opinion). I shall do my best with the proverbial mop. Yours, Radiant_>|< 08:01, Jun 8, 2005 (UTC)

Category:Opera by language, etc.[edit]

The category Category:Opera by language as well as its all empty child categories are currently up for speedy deletions. Also, there is currently a discussion about merging Category:Operas down into Category:Opera taking place at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Opera, among all the other discussions. (Thought I'd let you know, per your request.) Cheers. --BaronLarf 13:29, Jun 8, 2005 (UTC)

That simmering article[edit]

Many thanks -- I have indeed been taking notes, and this is obviously an important resource. I would like to compose it in Word first and then get thoughts from people I trust before trying to post it here.

Have you seen [this book]? Heard an interview with author today ... quite an important piece of work, solidly researched, and destined to shift some paradigms. (Whose, I don't know, but ... mine were certainly shifted.)

Here is an [overview] of the same book.

Here is the [interview] that impressed me so. Hope you enjoy it.

Peace, BYT

Coolcat's nasty comments[edit]

Hi, V. Could you please drop User:Coolcat a note re this personal attack that he keeps making on his talk page? Stereotek and I have stricken it a couple of times and Cc keeps restoring it. Thanks. Davenbelle 05:27, Jun 9, 2005 (UTC)

Deaths in Ciudad Juárez[edit]

Heh. Chose my week to be away, huh? Matters appear to have settled down, now -- last edit five days ago. I'll take a look in later. Cheers, Hajor 18:30, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Trey Stone[edit]

Hi. Please block User: It's Trey Stone's longtime IP address, and he seems to be editing as an anon lately to evade a ban or a block. 172 06:35, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Image left/right[edit]

Ok, let's stop an edit war. I place images on the left, expecilly if the image stays at the top of the article, because it is easier for the reader to find the beginning of the text. This is true for Marilyn Horne, since her image is not a small picture. May I put the image back to right?--Panairjdde 17:23, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Manipulation of WP by means of page moves at Iraq document leak 18 June 2005[edit]

Nothing to do with anyone we know, but rather some newborn vandal, who has taken it into his/her head that the information presented here should not be seen by WP users.

Quite a creative series of Daliesque renames and redirects, with a clear purpose.

Would you consider renaming to the name above, and perhaps locking the page until this storm passes?

PS: Thanks for restoring that intro on the Qur'an/Gitmo page. BrandonYusufToropov 18:25, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Many thanks! BrandonYusufToropov 18:52, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)


I've noticed Kapil raising his head again, via your notices, thank you. I dunno - what's the budget this year for rope? I did believe sooner or later, but I forgot how much rope it might take. I regret that I don't care enough about his inane May "personal attacks" on me to go screaming to RfC on a separate issue, but I do keep you in mind, and if there's anything I can do, let me know. This must get very wearing. --Mothperson 22:11, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Didn't mean to be anon.[edit]

Thanks for the tip on the signature; I wasn't aware that's how you do it and I'll use it in the future. Nonetheless, I don't see why it's an issue. Clearly I you were able to find me. And even if you weren't, so what?

Ed has been kind enough to nominate me for an adminship[edit]

...which I think will go a long way toward resolving unproductive disputes pages he and I both edit. Anyone who is interested in voting one way or the other is invited to the discussion here. BrandonYusufToropov 17:08, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Many, instead of implying all?[edit]

I note in Corporate media you removed the word "some" from "Corporate media is a term used by some media commentators........" It now reads as if all US media commentators use the term to imply that the mainstream media is controlled by large multinationals (which manipulate and filter out news that does not fit their corporate agenda). Do you think media commentators working for Rupert Murdoch's media empire (one example) would agree with such an assertion? Would you agree that I inset the word "many" where the word "some" previously appeared? Moriori 23:11, Jun 21, 2005 (UTC)

Opera titles[edit]

Salomé (opera) should be returned to Salome (opera). DrG; previously unsigned

Yes, I agree with DrG. It should be moved to Salome (opera), but an existing redirect prevents us common rabble from moving it. --BaronLarf 21:01, Jun 22, 2005 (UTC)


What's your opinion on operettas? I view them as a subcategory of operas, but User:DrG has changed the category hierarchy of Category:Operetta to be a separate entity and has also created a new wikiproject (Wikipedia:WikiProject Operetta (of which he is the sole member) to deal with them. If you don't feel as strongly about this as I do, I'll let it go because I don't want to create more conflict with DrG if it's pointless. Thanks much. --BaronLarf 19:56, Jun 22, 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the archiving tips![edit]

I knew there had to be a simple way to do it. Much obliged.

Gratefully, 21:00, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)


Hi, don't forget to sign! :) [4] --Silversmith Hewwo 11:50, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

nice copy-edit[edit]

[5] -- Uncle Ed (talk) 16:56, Jun 24, 2005 (UTC)

Social misfits et al.[edit]

I agree with you totally. I'm all for social misfits if they can behave with a modicum of restraint (I mean - I'm a social misfit, but I do try to behave somewhat civilly most of the time, at least in public, and my dogs will never tell what I may utter out loud in private). But this one is hopeless. Sooner or later, etc. Now, you've made me think. Although I've reached a point in my life where I'm able to dismiss such nonsense, his attack on me really went way beyond the bounds of wikiquette, I think. I thought it was sort of funny. A lot of other people might not. I'm perfectly willing to lodge a complaint, if you would think it would help your case. I'm confused about the rules on your RfC, because I entered as an outsider, and then got dragged in by Kapil and jumped on repeatedly. So this would be a separate matter? Can't it be combined, since it stems out of the first? Give me some advice, here. I'm not in the "don't make waves" boat, which has not always worked out well, but I'm too old to change much. Off to try to bleach some socks, heigh-ho, Mothperson 19:24, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I will do all those things. In the meantime, enjoy your time off from Wikipedia! You probably need it. --Mothperson 19:58, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC) And don't go near any damn internet cafés.
I've just started cruising through his edit pages, and keep coming up with "page watched" when I haven't checked it yet. Did you do this for me? If so, could you give me a list of what you checked before I go through all his stuff? --Mothperson 21:32, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I don't know how it happened, but stuff just started showing up on my watch list. Not a problem. Except that I am going to have to cut back on my promise. I will look in from time to time, but I cannot stand to read all of that Trey Stone/Kapil/et al. discussion about Fidel Castro. Kapil seems to be behaving very well, for Kapil. It's too hot to care about anything. Apologies. --Mothperson 29 June 2005 00:27 (UTC)


Have you checked out yet? Maybe you'd like to help out!

Kim Bruning 01:00, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Hi, I thought you might be interested in this. It should keep you busy with random opera singers for a while. :-) Danny 23:29, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)

sock puppet?[edit]

User:CJK has made two edits so far, and I already suspect him of being a sock puppet. For one thing, his first edit is his user page where he talks about NPOV. His second edit is a revert, where he already uses the abbreviation "rv". I suspect he is a user currently in arbitration but do not want to make accusations without evidence. I do not have access to the IPs of users so I can't make an accusation against who I suspect it is. Ruy Lopez 28 June 2005 15:14 (UTC)

He says now he was User: and just registered. Ruy Lopez 28 June 2005 16:44 (UTC)

RfA thanks[edit]

Thanks for your support for my adminship. I appreciate it. Cheers, -Willmcw June 28, 2005 18:02 (UTC)

Deaths in Juarez[edit]

Dear Viajero: Hi! I want to start by complimenting you on the new photo you put. You look very pretty, very gothic. While I like Donna Versace's style, I also love gothic. You go girl!

I wanted to comment you about something. User:Zaguiar apparently sent me a very disrespectful letter. I say apparently because the person who sent me the letter her last name is Aguilar (aguiar)...I wanted to know if you wanted me to send you a copy of the letter she wrote me and check it out. She basically told me since Im Puerto Rican its not my business what happens in Juarez, when, if you look at the article, I dedicated it to the women of Juarez because I love Mexicans and all Latin Americans for that matter as I feel we are the same and I originated the article in hopes to bring international attention to this tragedy. Another point she does not seem to understand is that at Wikipedia we need to stay neutral and, atrocious and sad as I think the murders are, I cannot put that there. i tried to explain and I was answered Are the murders neutral?. Also, the sender feels offended that I mentioned loving Mexico's culture and how I relate to it and how I made my lifelong dream of visiting that beautiful country in 2001.

So I wanted to ask you if you wanted to check the letter I received and see what you think. As a person that loves all my fellow Latino brothers from Barcelona to Tijuana to Buenos Aires, and someone who has dedicated my time to raise awareness about Latin America, our great talents and our tragedies for three years here, her letter made me feel disrespected, dissilusioned that someone cant conceive Latinos together in the good ones and bad ones, and, more than anything else, hurt. The insults given by Zaguiar or Zulma Aguilar to me (You're stupid, educate yourself) made me tell her never to attempt to contact me anymore, or I would consider that stalking. Seen as you tried to clarify the point of view at the Deaths talk page, thats why Im wondering if maybe you want to at least read the letter I received.

I know that you are a Mexican and have lived in Puerto Rico. I just wanted also to let you know forehand that the only reason I created the article is out of worry for our sisters in Ciudad Juarez and love for them and hope that the crimes can finally end soon. Thats why I was so disturbed at this letter I received.

Thank you for everything, Viajero, and God bless you!

Sincerely yours, [[User:AntonioMartin|Antonio 100% LATINOOOO!! Martin

Just so you are aware... (Article on 1755 Lisbon earthquake)[edit]

Just in case you want to make some sort of response, I wanted to alert you to the two part article by Theresa E. Carpinelli on 1755 Lisbon earthquake: Part One, Part Two. It is specifically about a claim originally added by you, "Priests of the inquisition roamed the city, rounding up "heretics" and hanging them on the spot for angering God". It was mentioned in the Wikipedia Quarto, and I didn't see any mention of it on a quick review of your talk page, so I thought I'd let you know. Feel free to ignore if you wish. JesseW 5 July 2005 22:11 (UTC)

Pablo Neruda[edit]

Things are weird there, because TDC and Gamaliel are in an edit war where they seem to have stopped even bothering to read each other's stuff. I think Gamaliel's version is more solid, and certainly he is more polite, but he was also reverting some perfectly valid statements. I've been in there taking some material I consider valid from either side and putting it into the other, making spelling corrections, etc. Mostly, this has been accepted, but I'll admit I find it uncomfortable when TDC is in a position to say that he is "reverting to Jmabel's version", when he is really reverting to his own last version with my spelling corrections. -- Jmabel | Talk July 7, 2005 17:07 (UTC)


YOu say "reverts should at least indicate that the same text was reverted 4x, along with possible other changes", but he reverted same text - "[[Category:spyware]]" x4 times, and i wrote it in coments. Vorash 7 July 2005 17:58 (UTC) Tannin is also an Admin, he is not simple user. Vorash 7 July 2005 18:15 (UTC)

Can you please ...[edit]

... take a look at my work here, and perhaps add it to your watchlist? Many thanks, BrandonYusufToropov 13:05, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

Update. User:Carbonite instantly reverted. BrandonYusufToropov 13:20, 11 July 2005 (UTC)


That had me reaching for my physical dictionary since google wasn't too helpful (your page comes up fourth for 'omphalocentric'). Anyway, I found the definition for omphalos and agree that unfortunately that describes many Americans.

So thanks for expanding my vocabulary. A link wouldn't hurt, though. Xen0phile 12:54, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

Maybe try linking it to omphalos or axis mundi. Axis mundi is what came up when I searched for 'center of the world'. There may be even better links that I don't know of because I've only been searching the past ~10 minutes on a 56K connection. Re:my user name, thanks, I originally created it for William Gibson's message board because Ian and Xenophile were both already taken. Xen0phile 13:32, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

Trey Stone[edit]

The temporary ban on Trey Stone editing political articles pending the resolution of his arbitration has received the needed four votes (Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Trey_Stone_and_Davenbelle/Proposed_decision#Temporary_ban). Ruy Lopez 16:28, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

Trey Stone 3RR block[edit]

You write: Why does the fact that I imposed the block bear any relevance to the matter?

The blocking policy says "users should not block those with whom they are currently engaged in conflict." You're currently edit warring with Trey Stone on Elliott Abrams, Front for the Advancement and Progress of Haiti, Henry Kissinger, Death squad, and Ben Linder, to name just some of them, and a very large proportion of your edits on Wikipedia comprise reverts of edits by Trey Stone. That you're not involved in editing Richard Nixon doesn't seem irrelevant to me. The suspicion that you may bear some animus towards this user is difficult to dismiss.

You write: You said that there was "some question" about the 3RR violation. Well, if you look at the AN3 page, you'll see that there are questions about many of the cases reported, yet I don't see you lifting these blocks.

If I encounter a questionable block, I do lift it [6].

You write: If you had examined the diffs and came to the conclusion purely on technical grounds that a 3RR violation had occurred, that would have been a different matter.

The fact that a 3RR doesn't appear to have taken place on this occasion was the most important element in those that contributed to my decision to unblock.

You write: Obviously, it is no big deal. It is just that I am troubled with your sense of priorities.

The feeling is mutual.

You write: In any case, there are now four votes in support of a temporary injunction against Trey Stone editing articles related to politics while the ArbCom settles the case, and it goes into effect approx. 1530 UTC today.

Whenever arbcom announces an injunction it should be implemented. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 11:21, 16 July 2005 (UTC)