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March 29[edit]

Should userpages be listed in categories?[edit]

I see this quite a lot, for example User:Pakalomattam/joel osteen, User:Pakalomattam/jesse, User:BillCJ/Test Article 4, which all appear in Wikipedia categories because they are drafts or copies of actual articles. Should I remove them from the categories? I think most of the time it's a mistake, but sometimes I wonder if these articles are being created in order to have an alternate version categorized next to the official one, so they can avoid usual Wikipedia policy. For example, the first article has hundreds of podcast links, which of course the genuine version does not. Crazysuit 00:23, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Definitely not the same cats as articles. However, they do belong to subcategories of Category:Wikipedians. There are also situations where users work on articles in their own user space, and in those cases it's allowed, at least for a short time. If the articles are not likely to be allowed in main space, however, they should be WP:MFD'd or WP:AFD'd. Xiner (talk, email) 00:34, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
  • If people are working on articles in their userspace, it's recommended to comment out category code until it has been moved into the article space. Just tell them it makes their userpage show up in the category. It happens to myself mostly by accident. - Mgm|(talk) 08:09, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Confirmation Email Deleted[edit]

I accidentally deleted my "Confirmation Email". I was wondering if you could send it to me again so I can use Wikipedia to add and edit. Thanks.

Redcab 00:35, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Check your trash can? If you completely deleted it, just ignore it. Use the login you registered with, you don't need further confirmation. The confirmation letter is just a confirmation. AQu01rius (User &#149; Talk) 00:37, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
You can also go into your preferences and click on "Reconfirm" at the bottom of the page. Xiner (talk, email) 00:38, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, everyone Redcab

  • AQu01rius, email confirmation is neccessary when someone wants to retrieve a forgotten password. It's best to reconfirm if you're prone to forgetting and having email enabled has all sorts of benefits. - Mgm|(talk) 08:07, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Japanes Internment Editing[edit]

For Editor Gwernol

I received the following message from this editor when I travled to Wikipedia today:

"March 2007 Welcome to Wikipedia, and thank you for your contributions. As a member of the Wikipedia community, I would like to remind you to adhere to Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy for editors, which you appear to have violated at Japanese American internment. Thank you. Gwernol 23:43, 25 March 2007 (UTC)"

I was very much surprised by this message. I had made one small change. A vandal had changed the name of the United States supreme Court to something like "Sexiest" Court. I simply made the correction to change it back to "Supreme." I'm a high school US history teacher and was fixing a terrible phrase.

I'm not sure how you flag edits as inappropriate or "neutral," but I hope you can look back and see the change I made. I know you are traveling through the end of this month, but I would very much appreciate a response. 00:53, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

PS I didn't know how to leave a message on your stie with all the other comments.

00:53, 29 March 2007 (UTC)00:53, 29 March 2007 (UTC)00:53, 29 March 2007 (UTC)~

Chances are, it was a mistake. Someone else probably saw it and either fixed it at the same time as you or saw your change and accidentally thought you did it. You can remove the comment from your talk page. I hope this incident didn't damage your opinion of Wikipedia, we always welcome editors whith expertise in a particlualr field. Mr.Z-mantalk¢Review! 01:00, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
I've gone ahead and removed the warning myself--VectorPotentialTalk 01:09, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
For future reference, you can place a comment on a user's talk page by cliking edit this page and placing a header: ==Header== at the bottom of the talk page, followed by your comment. Scottydude 02:01, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
You most likely were given the same IP (by your ISP) as the other user, resulting in you getting their message. -Wooty Woot? contribs 02:54, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
There's nothing in (talk · contribs · logs)'s contributions that would warrant the use of that template, it was probably applied in error--VectorPotentialTalk 10:46, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Posting a question to an editor[edit]

Editor Mr. Z-man

Thanks for answering me so quickly on the last comment. No my opinio nhas not changed, and I do appreciate the clarification. Two questions for you (or any editor)

1. How do I post a comment or concern for an editor? Neither your page or Gwernols seem to have an easy to use link like this HELP DESK page. I'm new to Wikipedia, but find it incredivly difficult to find my way around. I know things take time, but little chnages like this might help more poeple take part. (Or I'm just and idot and can't figure it out like everyone else!)

2. How do I delete the message from mm talk page? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talk) 01:09, 29 March 2007 (UTC).

  • You can click the edit this page button at the top of the page if you want to leave a user a new message, alternatively you can click the edit button the top of a section if you want to post just in that section. If you specifically want to leave User:Gwernol a message, you can click on this link--VectorPotentialTalk 01:30, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Capitalizing a heading[edit]

I just submitted the article for Emma Dean and I have a lower case d in the heading after saving.

ANy advice?

Cracka79 01:35, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Or...Create a new page by cutting the contents of Emma dean and placing it on Emma Dean, then place #REDIRECT [[Emma Dean]] on Emma dean and this article will automatically direct to Emma Dean. Scottydude 01:56, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
Both are good ways to go about this, I like the second because if anyone visits the original article because of a typo they will be sent to the correct titled article. Scottydude 01:59, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Nooo, don't do that second way. Cut and paste moves are bad, they mess up the page history, which is actually a legal problem. Redirects are automatically created at the old title when a page is moved, so that is the way to go. Prodego talk 02:10, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

  • True, it's not recommended you do a copy/paste move as Prodego explained, however, in a case where you are the only person to have edited the article, you could copy/paste it without legal problems. I still don't recommend it, though. You might give other people the wrong idea about when it is admissible. - Mgm|(talk) 08:05, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
Oh, I apologize. Scottydude 16:13, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

A Hijacked Page[edit]


I was doing research tonight, and was looking up information on the foreign exchange market. I went to this page:

Oddly, I was quickly moved to this page:

I surfed back, but was soon shifted there again. Soon, I realized that any time my mouse pointer was over the page, it was a hand, and when I paused, I saw the URL for the other page there. In other words, someone has apparently made the entire page into a clickable link to that other page.

Since I am not a wikipedia author or editor, I don't know what to do about this. I'm sure that whoever receives this will know what to do about it. 02:12, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Ohh, clever. I'll go fix that, thanks! Prodego talk 02:13, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
Fixed. Titoxd(?!? - cool stuff) 02:15, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
Yes, you beat me. But I got to fix one too. Prodego talk 02:17, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
I fixed another one of these things on Forex Scam here: [1] -- Hdt83 Chat 02:19, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Oddly that wasn't there when I checked a few minutes ago. Prodego talk 02:20, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Hmm... this should be sent to AN/I, I think... anyways, these are done either by a coordinated group of users, or open proxies, as WHOIS doesn't point to the same ISP. Titoxd(?!? - cool stuff) 02:23, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Content box[edit]

how do I get the content box to appear in the article. the article for Pam Pinnock does not display a content box I have tried but can't get it to appear please help —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs)

Can you be more specific? Maybe point to an article that contains this "content box" and describe what it looks like and how it functions in that article? Looking at the article's history, I see you have added, removed and added again a section header called "content" by typing ==content==. I am guessing you are looking for a particular template, and are trying to place it with section header markup.--Fuhghettaboutit 04:08, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
The Table of Contents (TOC) will appear automatically when there are more than 3 headings in the article. The link I have given has instructions to force the TOC to appear.--Commander Keane 04:25, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
Okay. Hiding in corner with dunce cap; Table of contents. Talk about being dense.--Fuhghettaboutit 12:00, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
Room for two in that corner? I thought it was an infobox template query as well! Adrian M. H. 17:07, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

web search lead-in or summary is factually incorrect[edit]

Hello-- I am a professor at the Vaughn College of Aeronautics and Technology. I made a few editing changes and additions, mostly to the historical information at our school. The problem--the factual error--remains on the search request blurb listing for us under Wikipedia: It states that our former name was "College of Technology" when it was in fact the "College of Aeronautics". I don't know how to adjust the search blurb, although I have edited the page. Thank you for creating and managing this service, and for your attention to this detail.

Peter W. Bohn —The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talk) 04:16, 29 March 2007 (UTC).

Until earlier today, there were two separate articles Vaughn College of Aeronautics & Technology and Vaughn College of Aeronautics and Technology. The first one (with "&" rather than "and") now is just a pointer to the se

cond one. You fixed the error was in the second one, not the first, however I assume Google's search blurb will be updated appropriately fairly soon. -- Rick Block (talk) 05:03, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

WP:V and WP:A - Subject matter with poor quality reference material online: How to write an article?[edit]

I'm having some trouble making some changes/addition to the article on Roomba. Specifcally, I'm running into WP:V and WP:A issues. The only reliable source for information on the Roomba appears to be the manufacturer itself, iRobot. Most all other knowledge and experience is tied up in message forums, and to a lesser extent, self-published sources. Is it valid to lower the threshold on WP:V in cases like this, or is there some way to still write a decent article without striping anything from it that can't be referenced back to iRobot's own website for the Roomba? --Jmccorm 04:51, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

If no third party sources are available, such as press coverable, it raises questions about whether the subject can be notable enough for an article. There are however some things for which a self-published source is proper; for example information from a company's annual report. Some technical information may come into this category, though it raises the possibility that the article is too detailed. Notinasnaid 07:30, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
There are many sources: [2] --NE2 07:32, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
That's fine then, what's the problem? Notinasnaid 08:13, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
What do you mean? To be blunt (apologies if I offend you, Jmccorm), it appears that the original poster forgot that newspapers exist. --NE2 09:37, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
Right. I'm not talking about newspaper chit-chat and press releases. (Although I will spend some more time looking over the write-ups.) More observations by third parties, and real-world experience with the product itself. Example: "The Roomba Sage has the same cleaning power as the Discovery Scheduler." BTW, a second question. Is a detailed model comparison appropriate for the page? Would it be original research since it isn't anything but in a forum or self-published? --Jmccorm 14:20, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Information about my profile[edit]

Hi, I'd like to send you updated information about my profile as it appears on your Wikipedia site. Will you allow me to send you fuller information for you to post? What would you advise me to do. Thanks in advance for your kind help.

Sincerely, Tsidii Le Loka

I think this question is about Tsidii Le Loka. I suggest adding information to the talk page of the article (you can go to the article and click on the "discussion" tab to get there). Hopefully people at the Help desk will have more good ideas.--Commander Keane 06:15, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
See WP:CITE and WP:ATTRIBUTE. It's best if the information you want to add to Tsidii Le Loka already appears in reputable published sources. Often the most difficult part of writing for Wikipedia is finding such sources, so you can assist the other editors of the article by listing a good set of sources on the talk page of the article, or in the article itself if you are far enough along in editing to know how to do that. Since the talk page for the article had not yet started, I added {{Talkheader}} and {{WPBiography}} templates to it. Good luck, and welcome to Wikipedia. --Teratornis 16:08, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
Remember that it is not your profile, but an encyclopædic article about you. See WP:COI. Adrian M. H. 17:11, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Questions about crime[edit]

1. What are the reason for committing juvenile delinquency (childhood crime) ? 2. What are the various ways of handling a juvenile delinquents ( child criminals) ? 3. In today's world, we always get tensed or stressed up quite easily. What are the various causes & effects of stress ? What effective measures can be taken to deal with stress? 4. What is physical education ? Explain its significance ?

  • This seems to be an essay question. Sorry, Wikipedia does not do your homework, but it has many articles which may help you in your research. Notinasnaid 07:20, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Rss feeder[edit]

Is there any RSS feeder available for wikipedia site? -kgajanan

product profile[edit]

what is the hisyory of hero honda? what are their product range? what are pricing of their product? recycling of waste? after sales service? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talk) 07:26, 29 March 2007 (UTC).

Try asking at the Reference Desk - the Help Desk here is for questions about how to use Wikipedia, not concerning information. They will be better suited to assist you. Hersfold (talk/work) 12:32, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Agented CMBS[edit]

What is agented CMBS, RMBS??(mony) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Monymk (talkcontribs) 07:53, 29 March 2007 (UTC).

  • No idea. But I do know this is a question better asked at the reference desk. This page is for questions about Wikipedia itself.- Mgm|(talk) 07:59, 29 March 2007 (UTC)


Are admins who closed a case allowed to vote a DRV for a page they deleted. Bowsy (review me!) 08:04, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

DRv isn't based purely on vote-count, so there's no real problem here. It's usual for the deleting admin to at least explain their actions in the deletion. Besides, it's not clear that disallowing their 'vote' would be a good idea even if it were a vote. Hope that helps! --ais523 08:06, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Yes. Closing a case merely involves establishing the concensus. Sometimes it means making a judgement call. Neither has any bearing on their right to comment in a review case. DRV is meant to determine if the initial deletion was properly performed or if new evidence has surfaced (like new sources) that would warrant the article to be undeleted - Mgm|(talk) 09:30, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

How do you ask for help?[edit]

In the article Rogers Television, there is somebody who keeps puffing Rogers, and removing all my contributions as "vandalism." However, I can provide links to back up everything I write, but I just can't figure out how to use your complicated arbitration request interface. Crowewiki 08:36, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Why is it impossible just to send a message to anybody here?????

To just send a message to someone, simply use their talk page. You just did ask for help, so you seem to have it sorted out. I observe that Talk:Rogers Television is extremely hard to read because there are many signatures missing. Someone (not clear who, because of the lack of signatures) needs to read Wikipedia:No personal attacks and more than one may need to read Wikipedia:Be civil. Above all, content disputes should be discussed and resolved on the talk page of the article. Continuing to edit and revert instead is not the right way to go about things.
There may be a simple way to get a third opinion if only two people are involved in the dispute. How many are involved? Notinasnaid 08:47, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
I added a {{Talkheader}} template to the top of Talk:Rogers Television in a perhaps futile attempt to encourage those participants to learn how to format a talk page. --Teratornis 15:59, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

ie 7 offline navigation[edit]

hello, before installing ie 7, ikipedia's articles were available offline, now no more, even whit a lower protection level? Why? is a problem of my explorer or is a new feature of wikipedia, or is an attak on wikipedia? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talk) 08:58, 29 March 2007 (UTC).

Could the page I am working on be semiprotected?[edit]

Hi! Could you make the article about Cicero semiprotected? I have worked on it for two months. Every second or third day it is spoiled by vandals (today, for instance someone has substituted words like "mind" and "Latin" with "noob"), filled by threats or blanked with only a statement: "I am God". As Cicero is a historical person almost everybody has heard of in school, anonymous new persons feel they want to leave a mark of their existence there, i.e. "Killroy was here".

Not to speak about what they consider important/relevant for this article. Cicero happens to be an interesting philosopher, and his philosophical studies and works should be mentioned and dealt with.- These IP "guests" consider that philosophy is crap and wipe it out. And so on, and so on.....

An exasperated editor Tellervo 09:30, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

  • Done. Please ask at WP:RFPP in the future. I've protected for a week, please remove the template when the protection expires. If vandalism continues, just ask and I will extend the protection. - Mgm|(talk) 09:35, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Forgot to sign[edit]


I just entered some changes to the page I forgot to sign in before editing the page, so the change is not attributed to me (user degeldeg). Can this be fixed so the page history cites me, the page appears in my list of changed pages, etc.

Thanks, David

Fixing reference to me for unsigned change[edit]

(whoops, sending again, since I didn't follow the rules correctly a minute ago. Sorry!)


I just entered some changes to the page I forgot to sign in before editing the page, so the change is not attributed to me (user degeldeg). Can this be fixed so the page history cites me, the page appears in my list of changed pages, etc.

Thanks, David

Retrieved from ""

Degeldeg 09:37, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

There was a service changing attributions but it had been suspended. See Wikipedia:Changing attribution for an edit. Hope that helps. --Joshua Chiew 09:50, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Article on Diego Varas[edit]

I am speaking of behalf of Diego Varas as his website’s webmaster.

I was just recently made aware that the entry for "Diego Varas" in Wikipedia was removed from what it seems to be “copyright violation.” This could not be farther from the truth. When we were building the website, Diego pointed us to the information about him posted at Wikipedia, which had many typos and incongruencies with his actual experience. We soon realized that the content was pulled (with typos and all) from a bio written by a producer from one of his very early shows. With Diego on board, we slightly rewrote the content, fixed the typos and liked it so much that we then used the exact version for his website. After rewriting the content, we liked it enough to actually use the same information in his site. So believe us when we say, no “copyright violation” was taking place. Besides, there is nothing in the text that was removed that is untrue or poses any copyright harm to Diego, on the contrary. As the rising celebrity that he is and the public media precautions that one must take in his behalf, we found nothing wrong with the exposure of his entry at Wikipedia, it was honest and straightforward, with no publicity stunts or gimmicks.

Below is the text that you removed, please advice us to what we need to do so that it is reinstated.

Thank you so much,

Paul Elwood Webmaster

Born in Santiago, Chile, Diego Varas came to the U.S. at the tender age of nine. After living in Miami for a few years he eventually moved to Los Angeles where he made a career in voiceovers for several years. Soon, Varas was appearing in commercials for clothing lines, music videos, and modeled for Ralph Lauren and John Valdi.

Vara’s career in television took off when he was discovered at a Los Angeles night club at 17. The chance meeting gave Varas his first opportunity to get in front of the camera hosting “America Now” on KWHY, Channel 22 in Los Angeles. As the host Varas had the privilege of interviewing many celebrities including Arnold Schwarzenegger and Kobe Bryant.

After hosting “America Now”, Varas began hosting “Vip TV” on KWHY. His next big project was hosting Telemundo’s “Buena Onda”, a musical variety program where he interviewed celebrities like Paulina Rubio and Juanes.

In 1997 Varas was selected as one of the top 12 hot Latin Actors in “Sueños de Amor” and two years ago Varas hosted the Miss Latina USA Pageant 2004.

Varas’ most recent work includes hosting the Spanish music show “Studio 2” (KRCA) and co-hosting Sí TV’s talk show, “The Rub”, a candid, spirited, and often funny twist on the battle of the sexes.

Varas talent doesn’t end on camera; he has a passion for music and besides currently working on his solo album, as a songwriter he already has two songs out that are the main themes of commercials. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs)

  • To the person who deleted it, it looked like the article was copied from the website without permission. Try writing permissions (at) wikimedia (dot) org to explain. I would however consider rewriting. For example the last paragraph sounds a bit too promotional. Also, article on Wikipedia require sources other than the subject themself to determine they are notable. Try to avoid using Varas himself as a source wherever possible in the Wikipedia article. - Mgm|(talk) 11:32, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Orphan images[edit]

Is there a tag that should be added to orphan images? Dismas|(talk) 11:10, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

If they were put in under a fair use claim, yes, they should be tagged and removed fairly soon after. Orphaned fair use images are always in violation of fair use statements. Notinasnaid 11:15, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
  • If they're not fair use, try to add them to a relevant article or ask the uploader to do it, before deleting what can't be used. If they're free, consider moving unused images to the Wikimedia Commons. - Mgm|(talk) 11:27, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
Okay, the image I am referring to is specifically this one. But what is the correct tag? {{orphan}} doesn't seem to be what I'm looking for. Dismas|(talk) 11:30, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
That image has a fair use claim, so removal is necessary. Take a look at Category:Orphaned fairuse images for the procedure. Notinasnaid 11:52, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
Thanks! I'll take a look. Dismas|(talk) 18:14, 29 March 2007 (UTC)


on a new install of mediawiki, what is the admin's password? 11:35, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

The person who installs an instance of MediaWiki should run the config/index.php script (by browsing to it, see m:Help:Installation#Run the installation script). Among other things, the script presents these fields for that person to fill out:
Admin username:   [                     ]
Password:         [                     ] Must not be blank
Password confirm: [                     ]

An admin can lock/delete pages, block users from editing, and other
maintenance tasks.
What you need to do next depends on whether you installed MediaWiki, or someone else did. Also be aware there is another username/password combination in the LocalSettings.php file, to let MediaWiki access the underlying database: $wgDBuser and $wgDBpassword. It's easy to confuse the wiki administrator account with the database account. --Teratornis 15:53, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

logging in[edit]

I am having trouble logging in. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talk) 12:37, 29 March 2007 (UTC).

  • What sort of trouble? Notinasnaid 14:22, 29 March 2007 (UTC)


I would create a new article. How do I get images into my article. Upload? How? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thomas-evl (talkcontribs)

Welcome. Please see WP:IMAGE. Xiner (talk, email) 13:18, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Sexual assault information[edit]


I run a sexual assault program for survivors and decided to see what Wikipedia had as an entry for sexual assault. It became painfully apparent that there is a major issue missing: sexual assault advocates. There is mention of aftercare in the form of medical attention or psychological aftercare, but in every state in the U.S., there are rape crisis centers with trained advocates...many of whom maintain confidentiality and first responders are mandated to inform the survivor of his or her right to an advocate. People often overlook this because they assume that medical attention is first and foremost, and the advocacy, support, information, and crisis intervention a trained advocate offers becomes marginalized. This role is crucial to sexual assault aftercare for a survivor. Rape crisis centers, now called "sexual assault support services", often assists survivors for weeks, months, and years after an assault, whereas interventions in the form of law enforcement and medical attention are for a much shorter period of time, sometimes one encounter. These interventions are important, but advocacy is just as important and is worth mentioning, especially if a survivor is looking for this information for him or herself or a friend or loved one.

Additionally, the explanation of victim-blaming and debunking widely held beliefs about how to avoid sexual assault was very good. However, by listing many of the pieces of advice people give to avoid sexual assault almost overshadows the remainder of the entry about how those are not true and the importance of how that contributes to victim-blaming.

Thanks for your time! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talk) 14:46, 29 March 2007 (UTC).

Wikipedia is not an advice center or a sexual assault treatment link database. Victims should not be looking on Wikipedia for this sort of advice. If this information needs to be added, it needs sources and notability to back it up, we don't add information here because it would be useful. You may want to post more specifically the sort of thing you want added, as well as the change on debunking, on the talk pages of the article(s) in question. -Wooty Woot? contribs 17:06, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
Actually we do add lots of useful information to Wikipedia (I doubt the goal is for Wikipedia to be utterly useless), but usefulness alone is not sufficient for inclusion here. Given that the questioner speaks of this subject using jargon I have heard before, he or she very likely picked up this jargon from a standard literature. Which means there should be plenty of reputable sources to cite. The sexual assault article has some improperly formatted citations (such as: "Greenfeld, 1997") which need someone to edit them properly with <ref> tags and {{cite}} templates. I would encourage the original questioner to study some of the better articles on Wikipedia (see: WP:GA and WP:FA), and try to bring the sexual assault article up to that standard. It ought to be possible, given the extensive literature on the topic. If the original questioner wants to write a procedural article for victims of sexual assault to follow (I hesitate to hop on the euphemism treadmill and describe a class of people who normally survive as "survivors" - I'd rather stick to the historical usage of the term "survivor" as pertaining to someone who survived something with a high fatality rate, and crime victims are normally called "victims," as in "murder victim," "robbery victim", "libel victim," etc. - we couldn't very well say "murder survivors," after all), he or she might try wikiHow. --Teratornis 19:24, 29 March 2007 (UTC)


How do you "re-evaluate" an article's status/class? DTD(speak)

Be bold and just change the parameters on the article's talk page, near the top of the page. "Show preview" to make sure you're doing it correctly. Xiner (talk, email) 14:57, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
Thanks! DTD(speak)


Can you make a Keep/Delete comment on your own AfD (as in, some one is attempting to delete your page)? DTD(speak)

Yes, but be aware of the arguments to avoid in deletion debates. Just voting keep will likely lead to the vote being ignored. And for the record, the nomination you're talking about is an MfD. --Deskana (talk) 15:46, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Category size[edit]

Is there a simple way to see how many articles are in a given category? Lenoxus " * " 15:59, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Yeah just type into your search bar Category:insert category here and it will list all of the articles which have been categories into here. Hope this helps, and for more info you can see Wikipedia:Category.Tellyaddict 16:11, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
Thanks, but I'm talking about catageories with more than 200 pages -- right now it only (and always) says "There are 200 pages in this section of the category," "this section" probably referring to the first page of the category page. Lenoxus " * " 16:38, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
I believe that you would need to count all the pages to do it that way, which is obviously undesirable. If you use WP:AWB, it can tell you. I'm not sure of other methods which may be available. --After Midnight 0001 16:44, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
A non-simple method would be to download a Wikipedia database dump and write MySQL queries to count the category links. I was surprised to see no mention of determining the size of large categories in Wikipedia:Categorization FAQ. Someone might mention the need for that in Wikipedia talk:Categorization FAQ. --Teratornis 18:51, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
Yes. Go to Special:Categories, add "&offset=" to the end of the URL, then paste in the category name, without Category:, then hit enter. For example, to find the number of pages in the (huge) Category:Wikipedia articles incorporating text from the 1911 Encyclopædia Britannica, you'd add &offset=Wikipedia_articles (underscores sometimes necessary but never hurt), giving something like and it would take you to roughly the right place in the very, very, very long list. The answer here is 12,748. What a kludge! Angus McLellan (Talk) 23:17, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
Excellent; thanks much. Lenoxus " * " 00:47, 1 April 2007 (UTC)


How do you create a link from a picture (in other words, if I wanted a picture to link to, say, my user page, how would I do that?) Agooba?Che.

See {{Click}}. — Darkest Hour 16:21, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
Actually imagemap should be used over {{click}} whenever possible. Prodego talk 19:34, 29 March 2007 (UTC)


User:Darkest Hour/intro.js

What part of this code needs to be altered to move the "₪" down a bit so it does not conflict with the project page, user page and the like links? — Darkest Hour 22:14, 28 March 2007 (UTC)


Does the gallery tag take on more variables? I'd like to make the one at infared spectroscopy look better. Is there a way to make the pictures span horizontally in one line? --HappyCamper 16:21, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

like how? You can drop the images into a frame then add a table Button insert table.png and arrange them however you want.


|[[Image:Symmetrical stretching.gif|thumb|symmetrical stretching]]
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—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Darkest Hour (talkcontribs) 16:34, 29 March 2007 (UTC).

-- Darkest Hour 16:34, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! This was very helpful! --HappyCamper 16:50, 30 March 2007 (UTC)


Would a nonsense page be elligible for deletion if it were a user's sandbox? Aerghrwhia;gorhgaira;gwieurapoweoharioahoghoiw

Probably so, as nonsense can't be related to the project. -Wooty Woot? contribs 17:25, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
  • I'm not so sure I agree with the notion that subpages should be subject to deletion just because they're nonsensical, lot's of new users use subpages to test formatting etc.. that's not necessarily criteria for deletion. For instance, if I were to create User:VectorP/l and add the text "tewtewtwetijetijetijetijeitj" to it, I'd hope that no one would care enough to nominate if for deletion--VectorPotentialTalk 17:42, 29 March 2007 (UTC)


Hi- We created a new page for E News Personality Jason Kennedy, but when we search the name "Jason Kennedy" a soccer player named Jason Kennedy is the only link that comes up. Is there any way to get both names to appear in the search and not just the soccer players? Any help you could give us would be much appreciated. Thanks! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talk) 17:26, 29 March 2007 (UTC).

Your article is new and the search index can sometimes take some time to catch up. Give it a few days and see if that helps. Also, you may want to consider a disambiguation page, check out WP:DAB. --After Midnight 0001 18:05, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
Somebody has already added a disambiguation link for you on the footballer's page. I have added a reciprocal link on the TV personality's page.--Vbd (talk) 21:39, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Re nominating for deletion[edit]

Are you allowed to re nominate articles for deletion without a WP:DRV? If not, then this and this should be closed immediately. Henchman 2000 17:34, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

This was asked recently. I think that the answer was in the positive, but you should indicate that it is a second nomination. Search the archived questions for the last few days and you should find it. Adrian M. H. 18:33, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
Yes, you are. — MalcolmUse the schwartz! 20:38, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
IN the LMP3mgs nomination, there is no 2nd nomination and a previous AfD existed by that exact name. Should anything be done about this? Henchman 2000 14:11, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Links to local sports clubs[edit]

I'm a relative newbie, having edited only since Christmas, so would welcome some guidance on this matter. What is WP policy on mentioning local sports clubs by name in articles on towns or regions? One editor working on Mendip Hills unlinked a (named) local gliding club, leaving a link to gliding as a sport in the text & relegating the club to the External Links section. Is this the generally approved method; or is it sometimes acceptable to include an EL to a specific (non-profit members') club in the text of the article?

I should add that in this case there is only one gliding club in the Mendips, so there's no issue of competition between clubs. --NigelG (or Ndsg) | Talk 18:02, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Was it notable? Is it ever likely to get its own article? If not, why link to it? Red links can be used to encourage new articles (or so goes the theory) but you still need to bear in mind whether the subject actually warrants an article. Adrian M. H. 18:27, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
I've now had a look at WP:NOTE, & have a rough idea of what this criterion means. But I'm still not quite sure what to do in the specific case I was discussing (& others like it). In Mendip Hills#Sport, leisure and tourism it seems reasonable to mention gliding, along with other pursuits such as caving & climbing. So is your recommendation to mention the sport, & possibly the location where it takes place, but not the name of the club? And can a link to the club website be included under External links? Or should I limit myself to linking to the WP article Gliding? If so, it's hard to see what justification I would have for even asserting that gliding takes place in this area; whereas a link to the club website would (I imagine) at least demonstrate that it does. --NigelG (or Ndsg) | Talk 21:30, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
My suggestion is to do just that: mention gliding in the article, but leave the particular club to an external link, and further link to Gliding. It solves the issue of notability while contributing, albeit in a limited fashion, to two articles. SkipperClipper 02:47, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
Thanks: that makes sense to me, & I shall act accordingly. --NigelG (or Ndsg) | Talk 09:29, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
For what it's worth, I think that's a reasonable suggestion. - Mgm|(talk) 10:21, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Bad faith[edit]

What exactly is a bad faith AFD nomination? Bowsy (review me!) 18:04, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

  • Just as an example, suppose someone created an AfD for the Bill Clinton article, citing WP:ATT as a justification, *that* would be a bad faith nomination--VectorPotentialTalk 18:07, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
  • (edit conflict)A nomination intended to make a WP:POINT or disruption/vandalism through AfD would be in bad faith. --After Midnight 0001 18:09, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
Not that this necessarily applies here, but the terms "good faith" and "bad faith" (as used in professional contexts, contracts, law) is almost always subject to the particular facts and circumstances and the specific parties involved. After Midnight and VectorP both provide helpful general examples, case-by-case review is probably also a factor to consider. dr.ef.tymac 18:25, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
Such instances can be the result of genuinely misinterpreting a policy, which could be considered to indicate that the policy might need clarification. The consensus system should save any major injustices anyway. Adrian M. H. 18:31, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
Example: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mario. — MalcolmUse the schwartz! 20:26, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
Someone recently nominated Keanu Reeves and several other actors for deletion citing lack of notability as their nomination reason. A cursory glance of the relevant notability pages shows that this clearly isn't a good move. Doing it once might be a mistake. Doing a mass nomination as your only edit is probably bad faith. - Mgm|(talk) 10:19, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

blue links[edit]

Mono01 18:14, 29 March 2007 (UTC)mono01 this mono01 how do you remove the blue links on most of these pages. thank you.

....what?? Adrian M. H. 18:23, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
Mono01, those blue links are generally considered to be helpful and good. There is the rare odd case where the blue links are bad, but before you remove any be sure to click on this blue link: Wikipedia:Manual of style This explains which blue links are good, and which blue links are bad. -Haikon 18:29, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

University of North Florida Edit[edit]

I edited the UNF page with new info on how their business school made the Princeton Review list of top 282 business schools. I was just seeing if this is okay and if it has any problems could you clean it up. Here is the site I got the information from.



Ryan MotourRmontour 18:26, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Replied on your talk page. :) María: (habla conmigo) 19:01, 29 March 2007 (UTC)


Is it okay to put this image on my userpage? Image:Many types of cheeses.jpg —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mousey.Mouse (talkcontribs) 18:30, 29 March 2007 (UTC).

Should be fine, since it's an appropriately licensed image from Wikipedia Commons, which doesn't accept fair use images that would be restricted from userpages. -- nae'blis 19:02, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

how do i change the title of a page?[edit]

i work for the 'indian film festival of los angeles' and when i search for it, wikipedia directs me to 'los angeles indian film festival' - which is not the correct title.

how can i change the official title to 'indian film festival of los angeles' and have other incorrect versions such as 'los angeles indian film festival' directed to it?

please help.

thanks a bunch of grapes. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Pchaplot (talkcontribs) 18:41, 29 March 2007 (UTC).

What you're looking for is the "move" tab at the top of the page. If you've had your account for at least 3-4 days, you will be able to move the article to the correct title. This will also set up a redirect at the old title to direct people to the new title. Dismas|(talk) 19:15, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
I see that you haven't had your account long enough to move articles so I've moved it for you. See Indian Film Festival of Los Angeles. Dismas|(talk) 19:20, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

omg, you're fantastic. thank you molto molto!




ALEXIS —The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talk) 20:31, 29 March 2007 (UTC).

Have you tried Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in knowledge questions, and will try to answer any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that's what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. I hope this helps. Xiner (talk, email) 20:34, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
Also, you might want to switch off the CAPS LOCK, or they might think you're not asking a serious question ( : VectorPotentialTalk 20:36, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
I'd agree to look at Reference Desk.Furthermore, have you contacted your insurance agent, current physician's office, or new physician's office?SkipperClipper 02:40, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

To make a long story short...[edit]

I put this: .allpagesredirect a { color:#00FF00 } in my monobook.css and went to abraham lincoln and the redirects did not change color. whats wacked out with this? — Darkest Hour 20:39, 29 March 2007 (UTC)



I want to translate article "Bosco Adventure" into croatian, but I don't know how to do it.


Do you know Croatian? ˉˉanetode╦╩ 22:11, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

how do i cite this source on a woks cited page24.12.101.12 22:09, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Try this ˉˉanetode╦╩ 22:11, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Template: #if: etc. controls[edit]

Can someone please direct me to page dicussing how to use #if:. I am trying to edit a template that has it. Also is there #else and #elseif etc? I tried to search but could not find a page that helps me use them, thanks.--Dacium 22:14, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

I seem to have found it at : --Dacium 22:24, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
Yes, that is the extension which enables those constructs to work. Special:Version shows the extensions installed on any MediaWiki wiki. You may be interested to know that you can link to the Meta-Wiki site more compactly using an interwiki link, like this: m:ParserFunctions#.23if:, although evidently that's best to do only on talk pages and user pages rather than in article pages, because in articles it seems to constitute a self-reference. --Teratornis 14:43, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

What do you do when you find a new member who...[edit]

What do you do when you find a new member who has only contributed vandalism?

Thanks, Ncix 23:02, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Warn them, and if they don't stop vandalizing, report them to WP:AIV. Veinor (talk to me) 23:05, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Post the "warn them" template into there talk page? Should I sign it as well? Ncix 00:58, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Just as you should any message on talk pages, with rare exceptions. Xiner (talk, email) 02:43, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Pop up boxes[edit]

I am trying to get the two pop up boxes off the article so that it looks better and reads better. It states right now that the article does not have links or reference sources. Can you help? I want to make the article look better so that it can be read. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talkcontribs).

The question is about Pam Pinnock. -- Rick Block (talk) 23:49, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
What pop up boxes are you referring to? The two boxes at the top of that page? If so, both seem warranted. You can delte the coding to delte them, but I trust they would simply return until the concerns they mention are adequately addressed. SkipperClipper 03:04, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
The questioner probably refers to the templates: {{unlinked}} and {{unreferenced}}. To demonstrate the need for the former, see Special:Whatlinkshere/Pam Pinnock; the only links to Pam Pinnock are from its talk page, and the Help desk. The article needs links from other articles. As for {{unreferenced}}, the article cites no sources. See WP:CITE and WP:ATTRIBUTE to learn how to fix this. The article needs editing as well; there are some errors of spacing, punctuation, and letter case. The wording is a bit peacock-y in spots. Nothing fatal, just needs some cleaning. --Teratornis 08:00, 30 March 2007 (UTC)