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YouTube Wikiproject Proposal[edit]

I have just proposed a YouTube Wikiproject that would cover any Articles relevant to YouTube People, Culture, Organisations and Business

I would love to get lots of support for this --- :D Derry Adama (talk)

Better solution needed for "list of episodes" articles of TV series running many seasons[edit]

Software transclusion limits have been exceeded by List of The Simpsons episodes, which has been extended to a 27th season. See the discussion at Talk:List of The Simpsons episodes § Time for a split?. Ideas for creative solutions appreciated. Wbm1058 (talk) 18:11, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

I asked Wbm1058 to post here because this is an issue likely to affect other programs. We regularly transclude season articles to the list of episodes page but, in the case of List of The Simpsons episodes, so many pages are being transcluded that when the article is loaded in a browser, the expanded page size is over 2MB. The "fix" that is being used at List of The Simpsons episodes is to copy the episode tables from (so far) seasons 1-4 back to the LoE page. All of the tables are being copied including the episode summaries, which aren't displayed, and the "{{Episode list/sublist|List of The Simpsons episodes" code in each episode entry. This results in List of The Simpsons episodes being extremely large. I removed the episode summaries and "/sublist|List of The Simpsons episodes" code,[1] which reduced the page size by 39kB. Unfortunately, every time the LoE page is synced with the season articles this code is restored, blowing out the article size again. This doesn't stop the problems that we have when we have two copies of an episode list, making it a non-ideal solution. It also will get worse. As each new season is added, another season will have to be copied. As I understand it, Wbm1058 and others have tried alternatives but these have met with some resistance. Since this is an issue that is likely to affect other articles, we need to look at a better solution that we may have to document in the MOS. --AussieLegend () 18:25, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
I would suggest that to keep transclusion (a desired feature), you split the list of episodes into two lists. Redirect the current list page List of The Simpsons episodes to List of The Simpsons episodes (Seasons 1-20), which should be below the safe transclusion limit, create the second page, and then make sure to hatnote both pages to say "Due to technical limitations of the Wikimedia software, this list is split into two parts". Maybe even limit it to 10 seasons, to value page delivered size to content. --MASEM (t) 18:54, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
I was thinking of something along those lines although I wouldn't necessarily redirect List of The Simpsons episodes. Rather, I feel we could just move the episode lists into two sub-articles. --AussieLegend () 19:55, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
Now it looks like we won't need to split until October or later, as I was able to transclude all of the content again. Someone must have made some of the underlying transcluded sub-pages or templates more byte-efficient, though I don't know specifically what was done. Maybe more Lua conversions? Wbm1058 (talk) 22:17, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
The redirect would be necessary as "List of The Simpsons episodes" is a potential search/previously linked term, and even if one ends up on the first page of many, it should be very easy to navigate to others. Taking account this doesn't have to be done now, an example in another area that we've done is Complete list of downloadable songs for the Rock Band series, which you'll notice the infobox is a quick nav box to the by-year lists (we didn't have a transclusion issue, but a page size issue so we could still have the complete list), a similar nav structure could be set for split episode lists when that time comes. --MASEM (t) 22:24, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
Would, instead of a redirect, treating it like a disambiguation page work at all? ~Cheers, TenTonParasol 23:30, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
If we use a page title like List of The Simpsons episodes (Seasons 1-20), where are seasons 21-27 going to sit? List of The Simpsons episodes (Seasons 21-27)? List of The Simpsons episodes (Seasons 21-40)? List of The Simpsons episodes (Seasons 21-present)? We need to future-proof the pages. In any case we shouldn't be daisy-chaining pages. If we redirect List of The Simpsons episodes somebody looking for a season 27 episode list would find themselves at List of The Simpsons episodes (Seasons 1-20) and then have to go to List of The Simpsons episodes (Seasons 21-27). Much of the content in List of The Simpsons episodes is relevant to all episodes and we shouldn't duplicate it on sub-pages. It would make far more sense to setup a tree system with List of The Simpsons episodes looking something along the lines of this, which retains the structure of the existing article. Sub-lists would be named "List of The Simpsons episodes (part x)". By naming them "part x" we future proof them by making them independent of the season number. Sublists would only need a brief lead, the portion of the series overview table relevant to that list (and there are ways of transcluding that - See this example), the transcluded episode lists and the normal "footer" information (refs, navboxes, categories etc). --AussieLegend () 10:09, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

Wiki Loves Pride[edit]

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How do we identify cast members[edit]

Traditionally we identify cast members as they are credited, but Bruce Jenner is now Caitlyn Jenner and an editor is running around changing all instances of "Bruce" to "Caitlyn" citing MOS:IDENTITY (see example). This is going to be confusing as "Bruce", not "Caitlyn", is credited on-screen. Are there any thoughts on this? --AussieLegend () 20:12, 4 June 2015 (UTC)

We should identify cast as they show in the credits and pipe to the correct article. To conform to MOS:IDENTITY, which seems to override all other wiki policies, we should probably state Caitlyn Jenner (credited as Bruce Jenner) in the articles to reduce confusion to the readers. Geraldo Perez (talk) 20:19, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
That sounds reasonable to me. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 20:21, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
I don't think we have any real choice in this with a superpolicy overriding everything we normally do with name changes. Geraldo Perez (talk) 20:23, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
I'd argue that MOS:IDENTITY does not override other guidelines. As indicated, it's only a guideline, it's certainly not a policy, and even has {{MoS-guideline}} at the top of the page to reinforce that. The person who appeared in CHiPS was Bruce Jenner who was credited as Bruce Jenner but the guideline is being applied as if is superior to other guidelines and even policy. There's a discussion on this at the village pump and I think the editor in question needs to back off until there is some resolution. Wikipedia isn't working to a deadline and there may be some cleaning up to do as a result of the village pump discussion. I certainly don't see the need for notes about something that happened this year appearing in an article about 34-year-old episodes. It's like going through the articles on the moon landings saying that American astronauts planted six international flags of surrender on the moon simply because the stars and stripes have now faded. --AussieLegend () 20:33, 4 June 2015 (UTC)

HaMerotz LaMillion[edit]

HaMerotz LaMillion 1, HaMerotz LaMillion 2, HaMerotz LaMillion 3, and HaMerotz LaMillion 4 all appear to be individual season article for the same Israeli TV series. Should these be disambiguated using "(season 1)", "(season 2), etc. per WP:TVSEASON or are the names distinctive enough to leave as is? This ynet article uses "season 4" and not "HaMerotz LaMillion 4" and this Jerusalem post article refers to "season 3" and "season 5" and not "HaMerotz LaMillion 3" or "HaMerotz LaMillion 5". Do these articles need to be moved? - Marchjuly (talk) 01:51, 5 June 2015 (UTC)

Cartoon Network UK and EMEA[edit]

You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Cartoon Network (UK & Ireland)#Cartoon Network UK and EMEA. Thanks. JSH-alive/talk/cont/mail 05:10, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

Texas Rising article[edit]

Hello, I'm a rare contributor to this website, I just wanted to point out there is a lack of references on the "Texas Rising" article, particularly the "Historical inaccuracies" section. It could use some work and a disclaimer at the top. That's all.

-Sean — Preceding unsigned comment added by Imsosirius (talkcontribs) 04:19, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

Discussion regarding page disambiguation[edit]

Just wanted to drop a line for any interested editors to a discussion regarding the disambiguation of the article Vixen (Animated web series). The discussion can be found here. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 04:42, 9 June 2015 (UTC)


Hi, another editor and I have had some disagreement about the structure of the Suits (TV series) article, but there doesn't seem to be many other active editors there. If anyone else has time to have a look and could give some advice that might be helpful. Thanks. Melcous (talk) 10:50, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

Infobox image composites[edit]

Hey, anybody have any thoughts about the use of multiple images in the infobox to create a composite image? I've noticed this a few times, for instance in this edit where you'll note the Turner logo above an image of the Turner building. Similar deal at American Dad!, where you'll see the series logo above an image of the family. ? Cyphoidbomb (talk) 17:45, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

Turner Broadcasting System Asia Pacific[edit]

This article is listed as being within the scope of this Wikiproject. Does anybody have experience working with these kinds of articles? It's somewhat readable up until Turner Broadcasting System Asia Pacific#The Top 10 Super Conglomerates where in turns in long lists and tables of information seemingly unrelated at all to the subject of the article. It's almost as if multiple unrelated articles have been mashed together. Does anyone have any suggestions on how this might be improved? - Marchjuly (talk) 14:25, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

"1989-2002: Beginning of the Broadcast & 1990s Anger of Terrors",

CNN International began transmissions in August 1989. Cartoon Network's was founded in the 1990s as well to the 21st Century Broadcasting in the Asia Pacific. On 26 July 1993, Asiana Airlines Flight 733 Flight 733 had the highest death toll of any aviation accident in South Korea at that time. 8 months later, On 26 April 1994, China Airlines Flight 140, an Airbus A300, crashed just as it was about to land at Nagoya Airfield, Japan, killing 264 and leaving only 7 survivors. On October 6, 1994 Cartoon Network Asia was founded about the Southeast Asian networking.

Yeah, looks like bollox to me. There was a lot of editing from Indonesian IPs in February-March 2015. This is what the article looked like before they started meddling. I'd probably just revert it to that point (assuming it's even worth keeping). Cyphoidbomb (talk) 15:11, 12 June 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for taking a look Cyphoidbomb. Do you need to have rollback rights to make such a big revert to a version from a few monts back? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Marchjuly (talkcontribs) 01:39, 13 June 2015‎ (UTC+9)
Edit and save without changes the version you want from the edit history will make it the current version (or use WP:Twinkle). Explain what you did in the edit history. Geraldo Perez (talk) 16:44, 12 June 2015 (UTC)
I tried to clean up the article as suggested above. Please let me know if I screwed the pooch or if there is more that needs to be done. - Marchjuly (talk) 05:49, 16 June 2015 (UTC)

RfC for online series disambiguation[edit]

Hi all. I've started an RfC on the naming conventions talk page about online series articles with an unambiguous title like Daredevil (TV series) or Viral (web series) probably needing a universal disambiguator. Please feel free to comment and give suggestions. Thanks. Raykyogrou0 (Talk) 16:17, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

Notice of spam blacklist request discussion[edit]

This is a notice that a frequently used source by this project,, has been requested (and added) to the MediaWiki:Spam-blacklist. The request can be found here, and the request for removal can be found here. Editors are invited to weigh in. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 17:45, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

Help with updates to First Ladies: Influence & Image[edit]

I am posting here to ask for help with some updates I'm suggesting for the entry about the C-SPAN series First Ladies: Influence & Image. First, let me introduce myself: I'm Jeremy Art, Digital & Social Media Specialist at C-SPAN. I recently started an account to suggest occasional updates to C-SPAN-related articles. Since I am C-SPAN's representative on Wikipedia, I will not edit the article myself. Could someone take a look at a message I posted on the First Ladies Talk page about expanding the article? I'm offering a draft with additional information on the show's background, production and other media for editors to review and use to develop the article.


C-SPAN Jeremy (talk) 20:48, 17 June 2015 (UTC)

RfC: The addition of fields for late-night talk show related articles[edit]

I've started an RfC over at Template:Infobox television regarding adding or removing late-night talk show related information from the infobox. Please feel free to comment and weigh in. --Gonnym (talk) 22:30, 17 June 2015 (UTC)

Permit WP:Red links in WP:Navboxes?[edit]

Opinions are needed on the following matter: Wikipedia talk:Red link#Proposal regarding redlinks in navigation templates; subsection is at Wikipedia talk:Red link#Revision proposal. A WP:Permalink for the matter is here. Flyer22 (talk) 06:39, 19 June 2015 (UTC)

  • I highly recommend participation at this RfC, given the impact it would have on our navboxes. :( --AussieLegend () 09:57, 19 June 2015 (UTC)

Article tense for deceased characters[edit]

I'm not too familar with the MOS for articles of individual characters from TV shows. In the case of Gus Fring, as he was killed in the show, should the article be written in the past-tense? Thanks. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 17:58, 20 June 2015 (UTC)

The present tense should be used, even though he dies. Fictional events and characters continue to "live on"—even if they die in the work, they're "still" "alive" in the earlier portions of it—and that's a terribly worded way to explain literary present, but present tense. ~Cheers, TenTonParasol 18:24, 20 June 2015 (UTC)
Thank you. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 09:42, 21 June 2015 (UTC)

Infobox Years[edit]

Should years be included for anything (besides air dates). I am referring to production companies, locations, networks, original channel ect. or is it just the cast/presenters we do not include it for? -- JohnGormleyJG () 17:34, 21 June 2015 (UTC)

Copyright Violation Detection - EranBot Project[edit]

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