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Your comment about me

NEVER MIND
I was not looking to re-argue the situation either, I was merely pointing out the destructive pattern that made the arbcom case necessary, but if you are going to keep repeating the outright lie that you never once misused the tools then clearly I was correct in thinking nothing has changed. Whether you still have the tools or not, the problem will likely persist. Please don't post here again, there's clearly no point. --Beeblebrox (talk) 17:25, 18 July 2022 (UTC)

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

I just wanted to let you know that I've seen several of your comments about me on Wikipediocracy and I want you to know that I accept and intend to learn from, and listen to the criticism. I understand you feel a certain way about how things transpired, and you are entitled to. I will also say that there are many users with whom I've interacted that appreciated my volunteer work for the project. I never claimed to be infallible and I understand that I've made mistakes and many of my actions were wrong. Andrevan@ 23:04, 16 July 2022 (UTC)

That all sounds very good, and I want it to be true, but the comments about 2018 that you just added to your userpage mention IAR in "extraordinary circumstances," when the message you should've gotten was that you were just plain wrong. IAR is about being bold, it isn't a defense against being wrong, and by the time you finally turned in your tools everyone was telling you that you were very much in the wrong, even if they were generally supportive of you. Nobody, including myself, was seeking a siteban or saying that everything you did was wrong and harmful.
If you really are trying to change, the thing you most need to work on isn't trying to be perfect, it is changing the way you react when someone points out a mistake or an error in judgement. I'd encourage you to go back now that it's been several years and look at the evidence I gathered for the aborted arbcom case at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Andrevan/Evidence, in particular the timeline in the "behavior as an editor" section. There's a pattern there, one that needs to be broken. We all make mistakes, it is what we do after making them that makes the difference.
I do hope you are sincere in your desire to improve on past behavior and can manage to do so. Beeblebrox (talk) 02:30, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
I'm no longer an admin or bureaucrat, I have no intention of seeking either permission anytime soon and probably at all. I'm not here to dredge up old stuff or argue about things. There are some things we can agree to disagree on. Obviously, many in the community agreed with you. Some minority saw the wisdom of the arguments I made on certain things even though perhaps they disagreed on the details or the methods. I may have some rough edges but I'm a human being, and I'm trying to learn and do the right thing. You can disagree with my philosophy or the general mode of operating of legacy admins, and that's fine. I cannot and don't plan to use blocking power anymore. But I never misused the tools, and I've tried to listen when the community is telling me I'm wrong. Even if that means discussing it at length or arguing points that I end up losing. All I'm asking is that I deserve to be given as many chances as anyone else. I resigned because I wanted to spare the community and myself the pain of an Arbcom case. Not because I am blanket admitting that everything on your evidence page, some of which is looking pretty old and thin, was a mistake that I have to own up to in excruciating detail. It's moot, because I'm not an admin, and I won't be. But I deserve the basic civility and humanity of good faith and another chance. Andrevan@ 02:35, 18 July 2022 (UTC) P.S. WP:IAR, at least back in the day, didn't mean "sometimes you can make an exception." It meant you should ignore rules if doing so would improve the encyclopedia. Which I maintain that the majority of my actions did do, and those that did not I tried to correct. P.P.S. in my time we also frowned on commenting on a contributor on specific offwiki forums that tended toward resembling Wikipedia:Attack sites. I recognize that nowadays many people from the wiki community do participate in those fora. Another example of how I'm an out of touch old dinosaur fogey.
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  • I'm sorry you feel that way. Maybe we disagree on what constitutes willful misuse versus an innocent good faith mistake. Perhaps it is semantic. I have always respected your opinion, contribution, and tried to listen to your feedback. I stand by the blocks of some indeffed users and I have committed to examining a battleground mentality and a legacy cowboyism, which I understand the community considers harmful. If you insist on having the last word you may of course revert this message or delete it. Thank you for your feedback, thoughts, and contributions to the project, which I do value and consider. Andrevan@ 17:34, 18 July 2022 (UTC)

Restore deleted page

Hi Beeblebrox. A few weeks ago Anthony Bradbury deleted a page I had previously contributed to, Big Green Egg, as G11. I asked them to restore it to my user space so I could fix the G11 issues and get the article back into the mainspace, but they appear to be on a wikibreak. Can you restore that page for me? Mr Ernie (talk) 13:55, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

 Done at Draft:Big Green Egg. It is pretty promotional but I agree it is obviously a notable topic, there's even someone here in Homer, Alaska who sells them. Beeblebrox (talk) 19:58, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
They can be a bit expensive, but otherwise it is a fantastic product. Thanks for restoring - I'll improve the sourcing and tone down the promotional wording before putting it back into the mainspace. Mr Ernie (talk) 20:19, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

RevDel request

Hello. Do you happen to have a moment for a copyvio revdel request on Richard Duncan (athlete)? It's pretty obvious in the history which one needs to be taken care of. Thanks! Tony Fox (arf!) 18:58, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

 Done. Beeblebrox (talk) 19:08, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

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*That* recent comment

Not gonna lie. I had a real laugh out loud moment with the supporting comment you made a few minutes ago! Sideswipe9th (talk) 03:43, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

I do what I can... Beeblebrox (talk) 15:55, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

Possible WP:RADAR case

Hi, I generally prefer to just leave messages on noticeboards instead of notifying specific admins about them. However, as you're the creator of WP:RADAR, I figured you might have some knowledge on this. Would you mind taking a look at a possible case at this discussion at ANI? If you don't feel like anything should be done then feel free to ignore it as it should be archived fairly soon, but it just struck me as an odd case. Thanks FozzieHey (talk) 21:37, 3 May 2022 (UTC)

Interesting essay, Beeblebrox. I think it might be helpful to add that, psychologically, some people are actually incapable of engaging in discussions with others. Sometimes they suffer from extreme shyness or a phobia of confrontation. Others may be somewhere on the autism scale and be extremely smart, but simply lack the skill or even the need for communication with others. And that's just an example of a myriad of other things that can affect a person's ability to communicate. One member of my family suffered brain damage, and for the longest time lost all metaperceptional skills, and for the longest time was completely unaware that other people had thoughts that differed from hers. Now, I don't know what you'd do about it as an admin, except the things you already outlined. I just thought I'd point out that they're out there and probably trying to edit Wikipedia too. Zaereth (talk) 02:26, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
At a glance it sure fits the profile, they have never edited a talk page or project space page of any kind. And that's a fair point about possible other explanations as to why, unfortunately, if they can't or won't speak to other users we have no way of knowing what the underlying cause is. At that point WP:CIR applies. Whatever the reason, users have to be willing and able to communicate with others. One of the more depressing aspects of being an admin is sometimes having to block people who really are trying to help, but they just aren't able to do so. I've used partial blocks in cases like this before, blocking only from article space, to send the message that they need to quit ignoring warnings and engage, with mixed results. I may do that here. Beeblebrox (talk) 16:46, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
Oh, I agree, and wasn't really looking for an explanation, but you said it just perfectly. It just occurred to me it might be a helpful addition to the essay. Zaereth (talk) 19:40, 4 May 2022 (UTC)

Neelix

I just noticed Neelix (talk · contribs) has been indefinitely blocked, and appears to be banned.

Now personally, I've got no objections to that at all, except I'm trying to find the discussion that enacted it all. I remember an Arbcom case where I commented on, but I think that was withdrawn. Am I just looking in the wrong place? Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 22:48, 4 May 2022 (UTC)

He socked repeatedly, it's a WP:3X ban. Beeblebrox (talk) 23:17, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
Ritchie333 You're almost got there, the discussions you're searching for are linked in Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Neelix#Motion to close case. Izno (talk) 23:19, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
Oh right. I notice his talk page is still receiving XfD notices on a regular basis, and those are probably counter-productive. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 23:34, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
Neelix hasn't edited with that account since 2018 and the account wasn't blocked until 2021 so unless he used new accounts to evade the topic ban on creating redirects and the main account was blocked for that and he also was confirmed to have "evaded" the block/topic ban at least twice after he wouldn't be banned. Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:59, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
Neelix retired rather than face the obvious avalanche of consequences heading his way, he was not eligible for a clean start, so any new account he made was a sock, and Category:Wikipedia sockpuppets of Neelix contains 23 pages. I could go on about why it is blazingly obvious he shouldn't have been creating new accounts but I think that about sums it up. Beeblebrox (talk) 18:20, 7 May 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Public relations and marketing

I hope it's okay but I saw what I considered to be a misplaced comma, and a comma where a semicolon is needed.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 20:12, 6 May 2022 (UTC)

It's in project space,so nobody owns it, and I'm aware I make lots of spelling and punctuation errors. (I do kinda hate semicolons though, and I never use them) Beeblebrox (talk) 22:49, 6 May 2022 (UTC)

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Lists

Hi there, Beeblebrox, and thanks for drawing attention to List of women innovators and inventors by country. As a result, the article has been considerably improved and has attracted wider attention. If time permits, I'll try to undertake similar improvements on some of our other lists of women. I was interested to see that you have been working on List of people from Anchorage which might benefit from similar improvements, especially in connection with women and the indigenous populations. I was sorry to see some of your other lists had been deleted, especially those on works of fiction. Perhaps listings by century simply proved to be too long. We have had similar problems with lists of American women writers. Now that you have begun to take an interest in women, I would be delighted to see you start work on new biographies or perhaps suggest some names members of WikiProject Women in Red could work on (if possible with links to reliable sources). There must be lots of deserving women in Alaska who have not yet been covered. Please let me know if I can be of any assistance. Happy editing!--Ipigott (talk) 11:07, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

Seems like kind of a weird way to tell me you took a rather deep dive into what list pages I have created, but ok. I don't actually think it was a shame at all that those "fiction set in year" articles were deleted, see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of works of fiction set in 2029. I merely split them off from articles on actual years, where they were cluttering things up. The people from Anchorage list is another split, and could use some help, you can see on the talk page that there was some discussion of how to improve it, it's awfully bloated with names of people who lived there for short time. Anchorage is like that, lots of people are there because their job with an oil company or the military assigns them there for a while. It's on my list of things to do, but ArbCom business takes up a lot of my WP time these days. I'm also on a very long-term quest to have some content somewhere on every unit listed at List of Alaska state parks but that is also stalled out at the moment. I did notice your many improvements to the list I nominated for deletion, and it seems clear it's going to be kept, which is why I added images, I think long list articles are better with a few images peppered around. Beeblebrox (talk) 20:22, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
I think, in general, we have to be very careful with list articles and categories to be as specific in the title as possible, and this is especially true when it comes to the use of prepositions like "from" or "with". Certain prepositions are inherently vague, which makes them open to this sort of bloat as happened in the Anchorage article. For example, what does the phrase "Made with 100% beef" really mean? Is it all beef, or is there just some beef mixed in? The same is true with "Made from 100% beef". The only way to be sure is to say "Made of 100% beef". "Of" is specific, and tells us it's all beef. The Anchorage list is like that. What exactly does "from" mean in this case. Born there? Raised there? Stuck on layover at the airport for a few days? I know I made this point on the talk page, but thought it may be helpful to clarify it here. I think it would help, not just with that article but all lists and categories. With these things, the title is the sole definition of the content. Zaereth (talk) 23:48, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
And although I know that list could really use some help, I think my limited time to work on content is going to go into writing about the very creepy thing that just happened here. Perhaps you've heard about it. They solved a disappearance, and not in a good way. It seems likely a budding serial killer and definite serial rapist was here in 2019. I'm a little freaked out about it. Beeblebrox (talk) 02:21, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
No, I hadn't heard. I've been so busy working 12 to 14 hour days I haven't seen the news in forever. That is creepy. I felt the same way before Israel Keyes was caught. I'll have o look that up when I get home. Zaereth (talk) 03:04, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
I've started an article at Disappearance of Anesha Murnane that has some links to news stories. I know ADN had an article as well but apparently I'm out of free articles there. Beeblebrox (talk) 03:06, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
That's why I keep me some German Shepherds. Don't leave home without 'em. I'd be careful in naming suspects at this point per WP:BLPCRIME. It may change if he rises to the level of WP:PUBLICFIGURE, but that is generally celebrity status, such as Charles Manson or Mary Kay Letourneau. Zaereth (talk) 03:17, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
It's all pretty well sourced, for some insane reason he apparently totally confessed to his wife, in detail, about everything he did, and (eventually) she called the cops and told them everything. I suspect once he's extradited he'll be in for a very long stay at Spring Creek. I have cats, so home security is a matter of guns, and if I'm honest I kept a 12 gauge locked and loaded and made sure my wife knew where it was should she need it in my absence. I'd be very surprised if they don't eventually find out there are more victims, he ticks all the boxes for a serial killer. All this daylight, I keep losing track of time, I'm out for the day. Beeblebrox (talk) 03:29, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
Ok. Just saying, I've seen this come up at BLPN many times, even in mass shootings where the guy confesses at the scene and he was caught on a slew of cameras. In that case I thought he should have been named, but I was overruled by the majority. Oh, and don't get me wrong, guns are great too, but there's an advantage to saying, "You might get one of us, maybe two... I'd think hard about shooting the one who can call off the rest." Zaereth (talk) 03:34, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
Yeah, you're probably right. I so seldom write about living people, usually it's wildlife and places in Alaska. There's like, a billion sources that name him at this point but Wikipedia lives by it's own rules. (and somebody already removed his name anyway) Beeblebrox (talk) 19:18, 12 May 2022 (UTC)

Another possible WP:RADAR or maybe WP:THEYCANTHEARYOU

Hi, sorry to bother you again but would you mind taking a look at this ANI discussion if you've got the time to do so? Thanks FozzieHey (talk) 22:10, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

RfAr

Hi. While the Portal:Iceland request is obviously premature for arbitration, the order in which our dispute-resolution procedures are to be used is not necessarily intuitive for editors who have not been involved in many disputes. This may be especially true for an editor who spends much of his wiki-time on another project that does not have an ArbCom. In that context, I'd ask you to consider withdrawing your reference to trout-slapping that editor. While the "trout-slapping" meme has certain pop-cultural connotations to us, I am not sure the humorous aspect of the phrase will translate for everyone—especially when it is used by a sitting arbitrator in a vote comment. Regards, Newyorkbrad (talk) 19:08, 12 May 2022 (UTC)

Now see, that's funny because I specifically thought of you and your semi-humorous proposal about trout levels when posting it. And I made sure to link it because I am aware they are apparently unfamiliar with this projects dispute resolution systems and I wanted to be clear that all I'm saying is I think they did something silly, rather than malicious. Beeblebrox (talk) 19:13, 12 May 2022 (UTC)

Block

I see you are willing to do self-requested blocks with no access to talk page or email. Are you willing to block me until June 25? I have to take a 6-week biochemistry course and I don't want Wikipedia to distract me. Scorpions13256 (talk) 02:42, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

You appear to meet my criteria. It's my usual practice to give 24 hours to consider if you're sure and also if you'd rather just use Wikipedia:WikiProject User scripts/Scripts/WikiBreak Enforcer. Beeblebrox (talk) 02:50, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
I know how to get around it by disabling Javascripts on my computer. Scorpions13256 (talk) 02:51, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
I have thought about this for weeks. If you really want to, I can wait the 24 hours though. Scorpions13256 (talk) 02:53, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
Jyst realized I totally dropped the ball here and @Barkeep49: dealt with it. Sorry abut that. Enjoy your time off. Beeblebrox (talk) 20:45, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

Thanks

Just wanted to leave a note of appreciation for your well-reasoned close on the whole Celestina007 mess. Hopefully they won't lose track of the damage that might have occurred during that user's role as unofficial gatekeeper for all Nigerian content as well. Intothatdarkness 20:41, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

Thanks. That was a rough one, and it clearly really needed to be closed. I expect someone else will be along shortly to tell me why I suck and did a terrible job at it. Beeblebrox (talk) 20:46, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Admin's Barnstar
That was one of the most challenging threads I've seen on ANI and I think you did a commendable job at summarizing and closing. I especially appreciate the high-note in your final paragraph, thank you! Schazjmd (talk) 21:12, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
  • I agree, excellent and thoughtful work. BD2412 T 21:36, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
    Super agree. Thoughtful, well-reasoned and covered all the bases. You are likely correct above that somehow you will get flack for it, but based on the discussion, not sure how the outcome as far as the topic ban could be any different and like @Schazjmd stated above I agree the last paragraph is an important statement (let's hope for the best). I did wonder about the mentorship offers and how that would land without agreement from Celestina007 but you cleared that up perfectly for me. S0091 (talk) 22:11, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

"Shooting the messenger"

I'm going to spend more words writing about an issue I have with the close than in appreciation of it, but please know that I do appreciate your closing the Celestina ANI thread.

You're more aware than most about my belief that Wikipedians who show competence from day 1 might have just read our ample documentation rather than automatically being a returning sock to be found. But the idea that an editor who has 8 edits over 6.5 years (and only 5 before this filining) and who has never interacted with Celestina before starting this thread is the same as an editor who makes contributions without registering an account - such as this IP I've puilled from my watchlist - feels like we're in WP:PACT territory. Being right that there is troubling editing from Celestina doesn't mean we need to assume that they reported it for benign "help Wikipedia" reasons. That said, I do commend you taking the time to read through that very long thread and highlighting so many of the salient points. You definitely did the community service in those efforts. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 22:19, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

I emailed Celestina yesterday, and I just a few minutes ago received aa reply. I've emailed you a copy. She says she would have accepted mentorship. I'm not asking you to change your close, but you might want to edit it to take this into account . DGG ( talk ) 23:03, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
DGG, it's a shame Celestina didn't avail herself of the opportunity to say so publicly. However, I doubt if it would have changed the consensus which was about 2:1 in favour of sanctions. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 01:50, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
personally, i wonder if the tone of some of the comments above frightened her. Let's assume that everything charged were real and serious, especially some of what might looked like inappropriate attempts to dissuade new users whom she thought suspicious; the response to it here was to attack her in turn. Many have said here, and I certainly agree, that a requirement for people judging articles at NPP and AfC is a calm temper and a determination to be polite even to difficult people. All the more so, a requirement for those judging people at forums such as AN/I is a calm temper and a determination to be polite even to the troublesome. Even arb com does better than this. Even the Foundation. DGG ( talk ) 02:39, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
Barkeep49, the WP:PACT essay is not policy. Some users might legitimately argue that it's time now to bring Wikipedian line with all other user-contribuable websites and insist on registration. There will be more discussion about this anyway when the WMF rolls out their IP-masking scheme. Meanwhile, the Portuguese WP has noted a positive effect from banning IP editing.
The WMF is targeting a mid-May deployment of IP-masking to all projects 'if [they] don't run into any catastrophic bugs'. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 02:09, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
@Beeb, despite being semi-retired, I had read through that ANI (and deliberately refrained from !voting or commenting there) because anything concerning NPP, UPE, COI, etc. still interests me. It does indeed take at least 2 hours to wade through it, even for a fast reader. There were a lot of pile-ons, but at least the traditional ANI peanut gallery had the good sense to stay largely out of it. That said, I've rarely seen an ANI with so many long and tedious tl;dr from established users. Thank you for taking the time, it had to be closed - somehow - and will save Arbcom wasting their and other users' time on it. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 01:50, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

I was thinking of closing the ANI thread tomorrow if no one else had, so thank you for getting there first. Newyorkbrad (talk) 02:01, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

Whilst it is indeed forlorn that my faith was being decided when I was hospitalized, I think anyone who closed that ANI really was courageous, from sheer conjecture I can tell that ANI was very tough and I indeed apologize to the entire community for that, I would still apologize formally(I’m out of the hospital but not so strong yet) for a miscommunication that would divide the community this much. The truth is i haven’t seen the ANI and I’ve mentioned the reason elsewhere(its health related) This are indeed trying times for both the community and myself which I take full responsibility for, I should have known and acted better. Celestina007 (talk) 02:22, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
@Celestina007: Sorry to hear about your illness, and I hope you are recovering. Just one thing I would suggest you need to take away from what's happened - it's not just about miscommunication regarding the "secret tools" thing. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 06:33, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
  • My only comment on the close, now that it is over, is to express disappointment in the common thought that if the reporter is not of the body then a complaint should be summarily rejected. How many cases of chronic abuse have been shamefully overlooked over the years because they have been reported in a sub-optimal manner? Thankfully Beeblebrox is beyond such pettiness - but it was very disappointing to see another admin try to close this one down before it had even started. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 05:39, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
It's rather ridiculous to call me bringing up the existence of the wikipediocracy.com discussion petty when you were involved in it for a couple of months and never took action to report Celestina despite the clear evidence from the start that she should have been reported to ANI. It's not like I didn't change my vote to have her topic banned after there was actual evidence to justify it either. In the meantime, I find it hard to believe the discussion would have been restricted if it was completely above board. Maybe you think everything about it was perfectly fine, but whoever runs Wikipediocracy clearly doesn't. --Adamant1 (talk) 08:31, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
Boing! said Zebedee, Adamant1, Please you both should calm down, I thank you both and appreciate your participation. For a while now I’ve heard my name and wikipediocracy (I’m not sure I got the spelling correct) but apparently a thread was opened there to disparage me & this was brought to my attention by Usedtobecool two days before the ANI. If another thread has been opened there, I’m not sure what was said as I believe that environment is quite toxic but if there are more concerning issues there please either of you can send me a mail with the relevant url. BSZ is correct in their analysis and I agree with them. I haven’t seen the ANI thread due to health reasons, I am hypertensive and I have been warned by my doctor not to work for now nor look through anything upsetting for now, the usual symptoms; dizziness, as well as the migraine are happening to me right now even as we converse. As Boing said, The truth is no one is to blame but me and I take full responsibility for the ordeal the community had to go through. I though I could just create articles and teach at the Teahouse but my health isn’t optimal yet. For now I’m doing a thorough introspective self analysis. Boing, Adamant, I appreciate the love and support you both showed me, Yes! even chastising me is a great manner to show love because those you love you chastise so as to bring up the best in them. I want thank the whole community I promise you all to come back a better me, still do what I do best and change my tone. Boing I want to reassure you that I’m not letting you or the community down ever again. As for now i would stick to AWB if my health hasn’t improved I would log out, I Thank you both and the community as a whole, you people have been nothing but kind to me and in here I have found a family a recluse like myself never really had. Please do remain safe you all. Celestina007 (talk) 09:08, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
@Celestina007: Nicely said, I wish you well for the long-term future. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 09:50, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
I haven't really read your close but just wanted to give my thanks. Was thinking for a long while it would be a mess to close, and re-visited it since I realised I forgot to give pre-emptive thanks but found it already closed. Nil Einne (talk) 13:18, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
  • Thanks all for your input. Celestina, I'm glad you're feeling better and I hope you are able to find a way to just take it easy and keep contributing. Everyone else: I've read everything you've said and appreciate the input. Beeblebrox (talk) 17:02, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
Beebs, this is outrageous. Absolutely outrageous. A sitting arb who writes,

I'm glad your feeling better

Have you no consideration for the pain that word, in that context, causes? There will be no consequences for such callousness, of course, because you're an arb.
Also, please block this Tor node: 2001:620:20D0:0:4445:863A:DB3E:1739 (talk) 19:52, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
I hadn't had coffee yet. Beeblebrox (talk) 21:39, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

Possible sock?

Hello, Beeblebrox,

You blocked sockpuppets User:HiRachel420 and User:HiRachel420 and I think they might have returned as User:Wearenatsap. They are focused on the same article Elevations RTC and publicizing abuses that happened there. There isn't an SPI case so I'm just reporting it to you since you blocked them. Thanks for any help you can provide. Liz Read! Talk! 04:22, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

There wasn't an SPI because this edit plus the username had me thinking  Sounds like a duck quacking into a megaphone to me. That's about all I've got, this doesn't seem as obvious. Beeblebrox (talk) 16:18, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
Hi, the other account (User HiRachel420) is not me and I do not know who that is. I'm interested in working on all Industry and health provided pages and have been doing others as well, not just Elevations RTC. Thank you. Wearenatsap (talk) 22:13, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

Request

Hi Beeblebrox -- Saw you were active at the moment. I wonder if I could bother you to take a quick look at the account TomCaunce3; they seem to be here for promotional purposes relating to a possible relative "Christopher Caunce Insurance Broker" and the house they live in; see the talk page of the linked article. I don't usually work in user conduct and anyway would consider myself involved. Thanks, Espresso Addict (talk) 21:20, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

ETA They seem to be paying attention to my message about COI so perhaps they'll back off gracefully now. Cheers, Espresso Addict (talk) 21:57, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

ipblock-exempt request

Hello, I'm starting to get back to Wikipedia and I mainly access Wikipedia from various military post and from my university both of which have multiple IPs. So I would like to request this right as I can be trusted with it as I have had it in the past and have never abused it.TucsonDavidU.S.A. 22:01, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – June 2022

News and updates for administrators from the past month (May 2022).

Guideline and policy news

Technical news

  • Administrators using the mobile web interface can now access Special:Block directly from user pages. (T307341)
  • The IP Info feature has been deployed to all wikis as a Beta Feature. Any autoconfirmed user may enable the feature using the "IP info" checkbox under Preferences → Beta features. Autoconfirmed users will be able to access basic information about an IP address that includes the country and connection method. Those with advanced privileges (admin, bureaucrat, checkuser) will have access to extra information that includes the Internet Service Provider and more specific location.

Arbitration

Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 17:55, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

Heh

This is the most accurate description I've read, and actually agree with it. Don't know why I'm engaging. Suppose as someone whose less involved these days I thought pointing out that the 7-day-pillory-by-a-self-selected-appellate-court idea never had consensus would save some pain down the road if people tried to force it to open again. TonyBallioni (talk) 20:56, 14 June 2022 (UTC)

I have, at times, supported the idea of "let's decide if we are doing this at all before we work out the details" but that is no way to approach a new noticeboard, and it showed in the train wreck it very rapidly became. How this was going to fix RFA is still entirely unclear to me, and I don't think that is the actual intent of many of its supporters anyway. Beeblebrox (talk) 21:06, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
Yeah, I'd agree; I don't think it would have passed as a standalone RfC but did because it was bundled. The lack of use after months is evidence of that to me. Shrug. Hope all is well with you. TonyBallioni (talk) 21:13, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
This si what concerns me, that a small number of users are trying to just say "we have consensus to do this" when it seems clear to me that consensus onthe issue changed once it was attempted in practice. I think a new RFC is in order to establish if there is a current consensus or not for it. Life is pretty decent right now, it's summer in Alaska and we're at about 20 hours of daylight. Beeblebrox (talk) 21:33, 14 June 2022 (UTC)

Tbengalieditor

Respected Sir, if I'm an autoconfirmed user, then why this is not showing under my id name on edits? Regards --- Tbengalieditor 🚀 (talk) 19:14, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

I'm not sure where you got the impression that it would show under your username, but you may note it doesn't do that for anyone. See WP:AUTOCONFIRM for details on what it means here. Beeblebrox (talk) 19:20, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

Ok Sir. actually in the list of auto confirmed user and also in some other cases I have seen that in mobile version there the access level of the user is written, like - one who is 'new page reviewer', under his name the post usually shows. That's why I Messaged You. Regards - Tbengalieditor 🚀 (talk) 03:12, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

ANI close for TenPoundHammer

Hello Beeblebrox, by closing that ANI discussion on TenPoundHammer, you did not render a decision for Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Another TPH Deletion Issue, where I believe the support : oppose was 20:1. May I know what is the reason a decision was not made in accordance to the community's wishes? starship.paint (exalt) 09:18, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

There were three threads open on issues that directly led into the current arbcom case noted in the close. As all three issues were escalated to the committee, it seemed unhelpful to leave these open concurrently, and I closed them all in the exact same manner. To be abundantly clear I did this in my capacity as a n individual admin, it is not an arbcom action and if there are serious objections it can be re-opened. Beeblebrox (talk) 20:12, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
You know what, give me a moment and I'll review that subsection. This was basically a procedural close, because no admin had actioned any of it and it had been escalated, but it may be worth reconsidering this aspect of it. Beeblebrox (talk) 20:16, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
Ok,  Done. Upon further review there was an extremely clear result in that particular subsection, I've re-closed it, informed TPH of the result, and logged it at WP:RESTRICT. Beeblebrox (talk) 20:49, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
Thank you, Beeblebrox. starship.paint (exalt) 12:46, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

Canadian Institute of Actuaries

Hi Beeblebrox. Since you've already been helping out Jenna CIA-ICA, perhaps you wouldn't mind taking a look at her "edit request" at Talk:Canadian Institute of Actuaries#Changes_requested_2. She didn't use {{Edit request}} which means her request may go unnoticed by those who typically help with COI-related edit request. FWIW, I added {{COI}} to the article because her May 13 expansion of the article probably should've in itself been an edit request per se, and thus should've been given a closer look before being added to the article. I did ask about the article at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Business#Canadian Institute of Actuaries and Wikipedia talk:Canadian Wikipedians' notice board#Canadian Institute of Actuaries after tagging it to try and get others involved, but perhaps you wouldn't mind also taking a look. If there's no problem with the content, feel free to remove the template; however, further major expansions should probably be proposed on the article talk page first to give others a chance to assess them before they end up in the article. -- Marchjuly (talk) 21:47, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

Accounts associated with Big Aryeh Gh

Thanks for blocking Big Ayeh. There are two other accounts with overlapping topic areas and name similarities that I am certain are the same person: Big Aryeh Gh (oldest) and Big Ayeh Gh. Both are stale but I wonder if it's worth blocking them both too, should this person be tempted to use one or both as sockpuppets? --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 22:24, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

Looks like as of a few hours ago, neither of them are stale anymore, they are clearly evading the block, so that makes this real easy. Beeblebrox (talk) 15:55, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – July 2022

News and updates for administrators from the past month (June 2022).

Technical news

  • user_global_editcount is a new variable that can be used in abuse filters to avoid affecting globally active users. (T130439)

Arbitration

Miscellaneous

  • The New Pages Patrol queue has around 10,000 articles to be reviewed. As all administrators have the patrol right, please consider helping out. The queue is here. For further information on the state of the project, see the latest NPP newsletter.
Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 13:28, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

Cryptobros

This meatball came to IRC to threaten us too. I still can't even figure out what he's trying to say he even owns much less what legal authority he thinks he has. 😂 PRAXIDICAE🌈 18:28, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure the answer is "blockchain". Beeblebrox (talk) 00:19, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

Personal attack

The user made personal attacks against me first. Are you going to warn them too? LittleJerry (talk) 17:48, 17 July 2022 (UTC)

 Done, not that it excuses your attacks in the slightest, two wrongs don't make a right, we teach that to small children so it is reasonable to expect that people editing an encyclopedia understand it as well. --Beeblebrox (talk) 17:52, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
Thank you and I apologize. I agree I should have reported it instead. It won't happen again. LittleJerry (talk) 17:53, 17 July 2022 (UTC)

Admin Abuse

Please tell user @Cullen328: to stay in their lane. You had already issued me a warning on the above LittleJerry and the issue was resolved. Cullen328 then proceeds to issue a second warning, for no reason and then allow LittleJerry to continue the argument on Cullen328's talk page. Been a member for 12 years, this has never been an issue before. The warning from you was sufficient. The warning from Cullen328 was not needed and neither was his harassment or subsequent bullying after I pointed this out to them. I don't know if there is an admin review for removal but Cullen328 belongs in it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jakobees (talk • contribs)

I won't be doing any such thing. You chose to remove the warning I left, so he simply did not see it. Since your talk page has 40+ threads on it, it was not unreasonable to assume it had not been archived recently and somehow you hadn't been warned for your comments. If you want to keep escalating this you are free to take it to WP: ANI, but you will probably need to keep an eye out for curved flying sticks if you do. --Beeblebrox (talk) 15:49, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

Fifteenth anniversary on Wikipedia!


Invitation to join the Fifteen Year Society

Dear Just Step Sideways/Archive 47,

I'd like to extend a cordial invitation to you to join the Fifteen Year Society, an informal group for editors who've been participating in the Wikipedia project for fifteen years or more. ​

Best regards, Chris Troutman (talk) 12:50, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

 Done. Beeblebrox (talk) 19:21, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

Schnikes, y'all are old. Tiderolls 17:55, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

I'm fairly certain my first edits were made over a landline connection. Seriously. Beeblebrox (talk) 18:01, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

New user with similar name

Hello Beeblebrox - I just want you to be aware that a newly registered editor has taken the name ZaphodBeeblebrox2 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log).Blue Riband► 13:35, 26 July 2022 (UTC)

It's sufficiently distinct that I wouldn't worry about it, but thanks for letting me know. I actually had to WP:USURP this username, for a while I was "Beeblbrox". Beeblebrox (talk) 20:06, 26 July 2022 (UTC)

Precious anniversary

Precious
Nine years!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:20, 26 July 2022 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – August 2022

News and updates for administrators from the past month (July 2022).

Administrator changes

readded Valereee
removed Anthony Appleyard (deceased) • Capitalistroadster • Samsara

Guideline and policy news

  • An RfC has been closed with consensus to add javascript that will show edit notices for editors editing via a mobile device. This only works for users using a mobile browser, so iOS app editors will still not be able to see edit notices.
  • An RfC has been closed with the consensus that train stations are not inherently notable.

Technical news

  • The Wikimania 2022 Hackathon will take place virtually from 11 August to 14 August.
  • Administrators will now see links on user pages for "Change block" and "Unblock user" instead of just "Block user" if the user is already blocked. (T308570)

Arbitration

  • The arbitration case request Geschichte has been automatically closed after a 3 month suspension of the case.

Miscellaneous

  • You can vote for candidates in the 2022 Board of Trustees elections from 16 August to 30 August. Two community elected seats are up for election.
  • Wikimania 2022 is taking place virtually from 11 August to 14 August. The schedule for wikimania is listed here. There are also a number of in-person events associated with Wikimania around the world.
  • Tech tip: When revision-deleting on desktop, hold ⇧ Shift between clicking two checkboxes to select every box in that range.
Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 08:44, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

Please take away my rollback user right. I don't need it anymore.

Neocorelight (Talk) 00:50, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

 Done. Beeblebrox (talk) 01:50, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

Touching base on pending changes reviewer

Hey there,

You asked for me to be contributing a lot more on my previous RfP for pending change reviewer before popping back in to request again. Was good feedback. Been back at it in a significant way, wanted to touch base and see if you would please consider granting now?

Thanks Mr.weedle (talk) 21:57, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

Sorry for the late reply, been busy, glad to see you got it anyway. Beeblebrox (talk) 19:56, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

Help

Hello.I made an edit on a page, but I was not logged in Wikipedia at that time, and my IP address was recorded. Please hide it. Thank you. پخش مطلب (talk) 08:23, 17 August 2022 (UTC)

Well, I don't know what page we're talking about or what your IP address is. You should request oversight by email. Beeblebrox (talk) 18:14, 17 August 2022 (UTC)

Hi.good time. The page is List of governors of Alaska. Latest edition. Thank you. --پخش مطلب (talk) 18:44, 17 August 2022 (UTC)

From what I'm seeing at User talk:47.223.90.202, it appears you edit logged out quite a bit and have been previously warned about it, so I'm not comfortable granting this request. Beeblebrox (talk) 20:41, 17 August 2022 (UTC)

User:Jaylon brice

Way back on May 9, 2021, you tagged the above account as a sock but you didn't block them. I noticed because of an article tagged for deletion that Jaylon edited today.--Bbb23 (talk) 22:29, 17 August 2022 (UTC)

Discussion has already been archived, but I addressed this at SPI:[1]. Beeblebrox (talk) 19:51, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

I would never laugh you out of any room....

But 7 RfAs last year and to be on pace for ~12 this year suggests that things aren't healthy either. There is a huge gap between what we have now and what we had when RfA was truly NBD. I continue believe there's some middle ground to be had. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 22:38, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

Somewhere between "if someone in good standing asks, they get it" and "you must have 7 FAs, been heavily involved in admin work without being an admin, and have never told anyone to shut up in your entire life" lies a reasonable system. Beeblebrox (talk) 19:54, 24 August 2022 (UTC)
Indeed. For me I think RfA is far closer to "critically broken" than merely being imperfect and so I'd like us to get to that middle ground. But I also don't think the community wants to change. So what we've got is what it's going to be, for now. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 21:28, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

Happy Thirteenth Adminship Anniversary!

Wishing Beeblebrox a very happy adminship anniversary on behalf of the Wikipedia Birthday Committee! Chris Troutman (talk) 21:36, 30 August 2022 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – September 2022

News and updates for administrators from the past month (August 2022).

Guideline and policy news

  • A discussion is open to define a process by which Vector 2022 can be made the default for all users.
  • An RfC is open to gain consensus on whether Fox News is reliable for science and politics.

Technical news

Arbitration

  • An arbitration case regarding Conduct in deletion-related editing has been closed. The Arbitration Committee passed a remedy as part of the final decision to create a request for comment (RfC) on how to handle mass nominations at Articles for Deletion (AfD).
  • The arbitration case request Jonathunder has been automatically closed after a 6 month suspension of the case.

Miscellaneous

  • The new pages patrol (NPP) team has prepared an appeal to the Wikimedia Foundation (WMF) for assistance with addressing Page Curation bugs and requested features. You are encouraged to read the open letter before it is sent, and if you support it, consider signing it. It is not a discussion, just a signature will suffice.
  • Voting for candidates for the Wikimedia Board of Trustees is open until 6 September.
Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 11:11, 1 September 2022 (UTC)

Name of arrestee at Pregnancy of unnamed 10-year old Ohio girl in 2022

Good evening Beeblebrox. Would you be willing to remove all edits from Pregnancy of unnamed 10-year old Ohio girl in 2022 containing name of arrestee, such as this and this? -- Jax 0677 (talk) 00:47, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

That feels like an editorial decision, which anyone can make. WP:BLP is somewhat open to interpretation on this point, it can be argued that the name should be removed, but as it has been published in one of the most reliable and widely-read news organs in the US I can't see the need for admin tools to be used to actually hide it. Beeblebrox (talk) 17:05, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

Talk page

Hey, I cannot talk on the USA talk page, where should I discuss the hoisting of the Secretary of State under the government tag? Hi3d 2 (talk) 16:21, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

Well that's my bad, I had not noticed that the talk page is under WP:ECP. That certainly does limit your ability to discuss the matter on the talk page. This is... not an ideal situation at this point. Beeblebrox (talk) 16:26, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
Ok, here's what I've done to try and fix this, you should now be able to discuss on the talk page, I've granted you the extended confirmed right, but only for two days, and only to allow you to participate in the discussion of the disputed content. Beeblebrox (talk) 16:38, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

Question

Hello there Beeblebrox. A few editors and I have been discussing recently at WP:RESPONDER-RFC about a possible role that can give temporary blocks on persistent vandals. I saw that you were involved in similar "limited block" proposals way back in 2013-2015, and we were interested if you could give your opinion. I know this is perhaps the millionth time you've commented on an unbundling proposal, but could you just give us your thoughts and concerns if possible? Thanks, CollectiveSolidarity (talk) 14:04, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

AOZ

Hi, Beeblebrox. You deleted this page in 2016 as a Neelix redirect. Would you mind if I restore it? I was going to create it myself with the same target (Uab Meto language, our only article about something called "AOZ") before I even noticed the deleted history. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she|they|xe) 09:30, 24 September 2022 (UTC)

Any user in good standing is perfectly free to recreate any of those redirects. Beeblebrox (talk) 04:31, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
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