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==== NEW NOMINATIONS ====
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==== Male journalists ====
:* '''Propose deleting''' [[:Category:Male journalists]]
:* '''Propose deleting''' [[:Category:Male journalists by nationality]]
:* '''Propose deleting''' [[:Category:American male journalists]]
:* '''Propose deleting''' [[:Category:British male journalists]]
:* '''Propose deleting''' [[:Category:English male journalists]]
:* '''Propose deleting''' [[:Category:Canadian male journalists]]
:* '''Propose deleting''' [[:Category:French male journalists]]
:* '''Propose deleting''' [[:Category:German male journalists]]
:* '''Propose deleting''' [[:Category:Indian male journalists]]
:* '''Propose merging''' [[:Category:Indian male television journalists]] to [[:Category:Indian television journalists]]
:* '''Propose deleting''' [[:Category:Italian male journalists]]
:* '''Propose deleting''' [[:Category:Pakistani male journalists]]
:* '''Propose deleting''' [[:Category:Russian male journalists]]
:* '''Propose deleting''' [[:Category:Spanish male journalists]]
:'''Nominator's rationale: delete''' per [[WP:OCEGRS]], trivial intersection between gender and occupation. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 05:03, 9 July 2021 (UTC):
*'''do not delete as nominated''' Instead, each comprising article must be checked and placed into its 'xxx journalists' category, as necessary. [[User:Hmains|Hmains]] ([[User talk:Hmains|talk]]) 16:01, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
:* I don't think that this is necessary, apart from [[:Category:Indian male television journalists]] they are non-diffusing categories. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 16:48, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
:** Whatever they may be in theory, looking at various articles finds the 'xxx male journalists' to be the only xxx journalists' category currently assigned to some (how many?) articles. [[User:Hmains|Hmains]] ([[User talk:Hmains|talk]]) 18:05, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
:::* Ok, then I hope this can be done in some automated way. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 04:32, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
:Do we have, or do we need, a clear policy of when Male categories are needed in occupations?[[User:Rathfelder|Rathfelder]] ([[User talk:Rathfelder|talk]]) 22:55, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
:* We have [[WP:OCEGRS]], are you thinking of something more specific? [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 04:32, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
::*Most of the male categories are actors, singers, artists, writers and sports people. We have male poets, Male dramatists and playwrights and Male non-fiction writers. I'm inclined to agree that for journalists this is a trivial intersection, but if so, is this not also true for non-fiction writers? Maybe we agree that imagination is affected by gender, but more factual stuff isnt? We dont seem to have male scientists. [[User:Rathfelder|Rathfelder]] ([[User talk:Rathfelder|talk]]) 14:19, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Isn't it useful to have such a division? BTW non-trivial. --[[User:Justus Nussbaum|Just N.]] ([[User talk:Justus Nussbaum|talk]]) 14:33, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
*: That's completely against the [[WP:CATGENDER]] consensus. Abstract: {{talkquote|As another example, a [[:Category:Female heads of government|female heads of government]] category is valid as a topic of special encyclopedic interest, though it does not need to be balanced directly against a "Male heads of government" category, as historically the vast majority of political leaders have been male. [...] Do ''not'' create separate categories for male and female occupants of the ''same'' position, such as "Male Prime Ministers of the United Kingdom" vs. "Female Prime Ministers of the United Kingdom".}} Unlike sportsmen or actors, there is no reason to argue that male journalists would have any activity that would be defined by their gender, even for men's magazines (I guess that women are just as good as men in writing articles in men's magazines). [[User:Place Clichy|Place Clichy]] ([[User talk:Place Clichy|talk]]) 00:52, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
* '''Merge/delete''' per nom. [[User:Place Clichy|Place Clichy]] ([[User talk:Place Clichy|talk]]) 00:52, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
* I was going to support, but I'm ending up '''oppose''' because we have [[:Category:Women journalists]]. If there is some encyclopaedic interest in women journalists then there has to be encyclopaedic interest in men journalists. Either both are removed or neither - otherwise it is sexist: men journalists become invisible - we cannot assume that a genderless [[:Category:Journalists]] is populated entirely by male journalists - and if it is to be populated entirely by male journalists, then it should be identified as such. My utter preference is that we simply have [[:Category:Journalists]] populated by male, female, and non-binary journalists with no differentiation. Gender is complex - people assigned a gender may not identify with that gender. And some people (such as myself) may be very aware they have characteristics of both genders, and on some days, and in some circumstances, may identify with one gender more than the other. And people may publicly or privately permanently change their gender. Removing gender from categories where it serves no useful purpose would be my preference, but it has to be done bilaterally or multilaterally rather than unilaterally. [[User:SilkTork|SilkTork]] ([[User talk:SilkTork|talk]]) 17:44, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
:* [[WP:CATGENDER]] explicitly says that male and female categories do {{tq| not need to be balanced directly}}. Sports is an exception that is specifically mentioned in the guideline, because men and women competitions are usually separated. Consequently [[:Category:Women by occupation]] has 157 subcategories, while [[:Category:Men by occupation]] has 34 subcategories. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 20:31, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
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==== Category:2021 storming of the United States Capitol ====
==== Category:2021 storming of the United States Capitol ====
:* '''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:2021 storming of the United States Capitol]] to [[:Category:2021 United States Capitol attack]]
:* '''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:2021 storming of the United States Capitol]] to [[:Category:2021 United States Capitol attack]]

Revision as of 14:36, 24 July 2021

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July 24

NEW NOMINATIONS

Male journalists

Nominator's rationale: delete per WP:OCEGRS, trivial intersection between gender and occupation. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:03, 9 July 2021 (UTC):[reply]
Do we have, or do we need, a clear policy of when Male categories are needed in occupations?Rathfelder (talk) 22:55, 12 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Most of the male categories are actors, singers, artists, writers and sports people. We have male poets, Male dramatists and playwrights and Male non-fiction writers. I'm inclined to agree that for journalists this is a trivial intersection, but if so, is this not also true for non-fiction writers? Maybe we agree that imagination is affected by gender, but more factual stuff isnt? We dont seem to have male scientists. Rathfelder (talk) 14:19, 13 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Isn't it useful to have such a division? BTW non-trivial. --Just N. (talk) 14:33, 15 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    That's completely against the WP:CATGENDER consensus. Abstract:

    As another example, a female heads of government category is valid as a topic of special encyclopedic interest, though it does not need to be balanced directly against a "Male heads of government" category, as historically the vast majority of political leaders have been male. [...] Do not create separate categories for male and female occupants of the same position, such as "Male Prime Ministers of the United Kingdom" vs. "Female Prime Ministers of the United Kingdom".

    Unlike sportsmen or actors, there is no reason to argue that male journalists would have any activity that would be defined by their gender, even for men's magazines (I guess that women are just as good as men in writing articles in men's magazines). Place Clichy (talk) 00:52, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge/delete per nom. Place Clichy (talk) 00:52, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • I was going to support, but I'm ending up oppose because we have Category:Women journalists. If there is some encyclopaedic interest in women journalists then there has to be encyclopaedic interest in men journalists. Either both are removed or neither - otherwise it is sexist: men journalists become invisible - we cannot assume that a genderless Category:Journalists is populated entirely by male journalists - and if it is to be populated entirely by male journalists, then it should be identified as such. My utter preference is that we simply have Category:Journalists populated by male, female, and non-binary journalists with no differentiation. Gender is complex - people assigned a gender may not identify with that gender. And some people (such as myself) may be very aware they have characteristics of both genders, and on some days, and in some circumstances, may identify with one gender more than the other. And people may publicly or privately permanently change their gender. Removing gender from categories where it serves no useful purpose would be my preference, but it has to be done bilaterally or multilaterally rather than unilaterally. SilkTork (talk) 17:44, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • WP:CATGENDER explicitly says that male and female categories do not need to be balanced directly. Sports is an exception that is specifically mentioned in the guideline, because men and women competitions are usually separated. Consequently Category:Women by occupation has 157 subcategories, while Category:Men by occupation has 34 subcategories. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:31, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Consensus is on merging or deleting.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ―Qwerfjkltalk 14:36, 24 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Category:2021 storming of the United States Capitol

Nominator's rationale: This category was moved out-of-process to this new title, an action I reverted but since the main article is now titled 2021 United States Capitol attack, I thought I'd officially propose this move to see if there is a consensus to move the category as well. Liz Read! Talk! 17:26, 28 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, let's suspend this discussion while the main article move is being reviewed. Liz Read! Talk! 18:39, 28 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Noting that the result of this discussion should reflect the result of the move review linked above.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 12:47, 24 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Subcategories of Category:Paintings by collection

  1. Propose renaming Category:Paintings in Christ Church Picture Gallery‎‎ to Category:Paintings in the collection of Christ Church Picture Gallery
  2. Propose renaming Category:Paintings in Palazzo Abatellis to Category:Paintings in the collection of the Galleria Regionale della Sicilia
  3. Propose renaming Category:Paintings in the Delaware Art Museum to Category:Paintings in the collection of the Delaware Art Museum
  4. Propose renaming Category:Paintings in the Dulwich Picture Gallery to Category:Paintings in the collection of the Dulwich Picture Gallery
  5. Propose renaming Category:Paintings in the Galerie Neue Meister‎ to Category:Paintings in the collection of the Galerie Neue Meister
  6. Propose renaming Category:Paintings in the Galleria Sabauda to Category:Paintings in the collection of the Galleria Sabauda
  7. Propose renaming Category:Paintings in the Hamburger Kunsthalle to Category:Paintings in the collection of the Hamburger Kunsthalle
  8. Propose renaming Category:Paintings in the Harvard Art Museums to Category:Paintings in the collection of the Harvard Art Museums
  9. Propose renaming Category:Paintings in the Musei civici di Padova to Category:Paintings in the collection of the Musei Civici di Padova
  10. Propose renaming Category:Paintings in the Museum of Fine Arts of Nancy‎ to Category:Paintings in the collection of the Museum of Fine Arts of Nancy‎
  11. Propose renaming Category:Paintings in the National Library of Wales‎ to Category:Paintings in the collection of the National Library of Wales
  12. Propose renaming Category:Paintings in the National Portrait Gallery, London‎ to Category:Paintings in the collection of the National Portrait Gallery, London‎
  13. Propose renaming Category:Paintings in the National Portrait Gallery (United States) to Category:Paintings in the collection of the National Portrait Gallery (United States)
  14. Propose renaming Category:Paintings in the Old St. John's Hospital to Category:Paintings in the collection of the Memling Museum
  15. Propose renaming Category:Paintings in the Pennsylvania Academy of the Fine Arts to Category:Paintings in the collection of the Pennsylvania Academy of the Fine Arts
  16. Propose renaming Category:Paintings in the Philbrook Museum of Art to Category:Paintings in the collection of the Philbrook Museum of Art
  17. Propose renaming Category:Paintings in the Pinacoteca e museo civico di Volterra to Category:Paintings in the collection of the Pinacoteca e Museo Civico di Volterra
  18. Propose renaming Category:Paintings in the Pinacoteca Nazionale (Siena) to Category:Paintings in the collection of the Pinacoteca Nazionale (Siena)
  19. Propose renaming Category:Paintings in the Sforza Castle to Category:Paintings in the collection of the Pinacoteca del Castello Sforzesco
  20. Propose renaming Category:Paintings in the Thyssen-Bornemisza Museum to Category:Paintings in the collection of the Thyssen-Bornemisza Museum
  21. Propose renaming Category:Paintings in the Wadsworth Atheneum to Category:Paintings in the collection of the Wadsworth Atheneum
  22. Propose renaming Category:Paintings in the Yale Center for British Art to Category:Paintings in the collection of the Yale Center for British Art
  23. Propose renaming Category:Paintings in the Yale University Art Gallery to Category:Paintings in the collection of the Yale University Art Gallery
  24. Propose renaming Category:Paintings of the Astrup Fearnley Museum of Modern Art to Category:Paintings in the collection of the Astrup Fearnley Museum of Modern Art
  25. Propose renaming Category:Paintings of the Baltimore Museum of Art to Category:Paintings in the collection of the Baltimore Museum of Art
  26. Propose renaming Category:Paintings of the Galleria nazionale d'arte moderna to Category:Paintings in the collection of the Galleria Nazionale d'Arte Moderna
  27. Propose renaming Category:Paintings of the Royal Collection of the United Kingdom to Category:Paintings in the Royal Collection of the United Kingdom
  28. Propose renaming Category:Paintings of the Rubenshuis to Category:Paintings in the collection of the Rubenshuis
Nominator's rationale: The subcategories of Category:Paintings by collection previously used a mixture of the styles "Paintings in" and "Paintings of"; in a CfD nomination in May I argued for changing the instances of the latter style as (e.g.) "Paintings of the Louvre" could be taken to mean paintings depicting the Louvre's building, rather than ones in its collection. The outcome of that nomination was that every "Paintings of" was changed to "Paintings in the collection of", because "Paintings in" was thought to be imprecise. (A painting in the Louvre's collection might not actually be in the Louvre at any given time; it might be at the Louvre-Lens, at the Louvre Abu Dhabi, or on loan to another institution.) So it now remains for these examples of "Paintings in" to be changed to "Paintings in the collection of", in order to achieve consistency.
In the cases of the Castello Sforzesco, the Old St. John's Hospital and the Palazzo Abatellis, which are buildings housing museums rather than museum collections per se, I propose changing the names in the categories to those of the museums in question: the Pinacoteca del Castello Sforzesco, the Memling Museum and the Galleria Regionale della Sicilia. I've also found five instances of "Paintings of [a collection]" which slipped through the net at the time of the original nomination, so I've included those as well. "Paintings of the Royal Collection" should be changed to "Paintings in the Royal Collection", as opposed to "Paintings in the collection of the Royal Collection" (which would be both redundant and meaningless), per the outcome of this CfD nomination in June. Ham II (talk) 09:00, 24 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Events by city

Nominator's rationale: merge, in these cities it is a redundant category layer with only one subcategory. For a few cities above that do not have a history category there is no other merge target specified, but in any case the subcategory is still preserved in a Sports in City category. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:17, 24 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Waterways campaigners of the United Kingdom

Nominator's rationale: Per WP:CATNAME and the spirit of WP:C2C, consistency with established category tree names
These people are definitely defined by their activism preserving British waterways and canals but there doesn't appear to have been a single "campaign" and this follows the more common naming format in Category:British activists. Not every subcategory follows this format though so I wasn't sure if a speedy name was appropriate. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:02, 24 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Non-governmental organizations with consultative status at the United Nations

Nominator's rationale: Per WP:NOT and WP:NONDEFINING (WP:TRIVIALCAT)
There are currently 5,593 non-governmental organizations that have consultative status to the UN United Nations Economic and Social Council (online database). This category creates a mish-mash of otherwise unrelated organisations with little in common that are unlikely to aid navigation including the Blind Union, Baltic and International Maritime Council, Planned Parenthood, ISO, Greenpeace, Scout Movement, Road Transport Union, YMCA, Fellowship of Buddhists, AARP, and the Celtic League. We already have List of organizations with consultative status to the United Nations Economic and Social Council for any reader interested in the topic. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:02, 24 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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