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A barnstar for you!

The Original Barnstar

Gog, thanks for all your advice, mentorship, and hand holding over the years. I've greatly enjoyed all of your top-notch work that I've gotten a chance to review and really appreciated your help of me (and other editors). It means a lot and really makes a difference; I finally got an article through FAC without needing your reviewing-- that's a pretty big milestone in my book :) Who knows, I might even try to do it again. Keep up the great work! Eddie891 Talk Work 02:25, 6 September 2021 (UTC)

Hi Eddie, that is very generous of you. And your praise is making me blush. No need for you to be over modest, you class as an old hand at FAC now. When I was closing your latest offering I just thought "Ah, another from Eddie, they know what they're doing. I need to go through the motions, but I'm sure it'll be fine." And it was. I look forward to your fifth nomination, what do you have in mind? Gog the Mild (talk) 09:56, 6 September 2021 (UTC)

Well, I think I can get two or three more Lincoln and Whitman articles up to FA, past that I'm not entirely sure-- I'd like to get a woman's article nominated sooner or later. I'm trying to branch my content out to be more diverse more in general. As far as that goes, I've got some high-ish quality GAs such as Mildred Mottahedeh and Lilias Margaret Frances, Countess Bathurst, but none that are quite there yet. I'm still averaging one FAC every six months or so, so I'd like to speed that average up a little... And don't sell yourself short, you did and do make a big difference in my editing All the best, -- Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 11:33, 6 September 2021 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Battle of Kinghorn

The article Battle of Kinghorn you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Battle of Kinghorn for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already appeared on the main page as a "Did you know" item, or as a bold link under "In the News" or in the "On This Day" prose section, you can nominate it within the next seven days to appear in DYK. Bolded names with dates listed at the bottom of the "On This Day" column do not affect DYK eligibility. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of The Rambling Man -- The Rambling Man (talk) 07:21, 6 September 2021 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Battle of Oroscopa

The article Battle of Oroscopa you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Battle of Oroscopa for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already appeared on the main page as a "Did you know" item, or as a bold link under "In the News" or in the "On This Day" prose section, you can nominate it within the next seven days to appear in DYK. Bolded names with dates listed at the bottom of the "On This Day" column do not affect DYK eligibility. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Iazyges -- Iazyges (talk) 17:41, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

Resolving unresolvable conflicts between RS

So User:Hog Farm/Black Terror (ship) just needs me to flesh out the lead before it would be ready to publish. I was hoping for GA or A-class until I turned up the Smith source, but the one ship/two ships conflict between sources will obviously need to be better addressed for even B-class. I would guess with your work in ancient warfare that you've run into similar unreconcilable conflicts between RS accounts. Can you think of a better way to weave these together? I suspect the Smith source may be right, but the majority run with the other approach. Hog Farm _Talk 00:21, 10 September 2021 (UTC)

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Battle of Bergerac scheduled for TFA

This is to let you know that the Battle of Bergerac article has been scheduled as today's featured article for October 13, 2021... Jimfbleak - talk to me? 10:41, 10 September 2021 (UTC)

Cheers Jimfbleak, Gog the Mild (talk) 10:43, 10 September 2021 (UTC)

Ceres FAC

It's been 5 days without a comment. The majority now support. Can we close as promote? Serendi^podous 00:26, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

A quick skim suggests that both image and source reviews are outstanding, so no. I shall have a more thorough look through. Gog the Mild (talk) 17:30, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

As far as I can tell there is only one remaining complaint in the image review (that colour-blind people would have problems seeing the orbit diagram), and I've responded to it twice (that the relevant orbits are clearly labelled so the colours aren't needed) but without comment from @Nikkimaria:. So again I am left wondering what exactly I am supposed to do. Serendi^podous 18:01, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

Possibly you could reread my various comments around this. I leave as an "exercise for the class" selecting an appropriate way to respond to them. (Appropriate meaning that most likely to get the FAC promoted.) Gog the Mild (talk) 22:13, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

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Your GA nomination of Second Battle of Cape Finisterre (1747)

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Your GA nomination of Siege of Breteuil

Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Siege of Breteuil you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Iazyges -- Iazyges (talk) 20:21, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

TFA

September songs

Thank you today for Roman withdrawal from Africa (255 BC), introduced (as a battle): "When I nominated Battle of the Aegates I wrote "the third and final installment of my trio of naval battles from the First Punic War". I was wrong. Missing was this, the Carthaginian's worst naval defeat of the 23-year-long war; which was swiftly followed by the Roman's worst disaster of the war - a storm sank most of their fleet, killing over 100,000."! - I have a former machinery hall on the same page, which became a venue for Beethoven's Fidelio. I took pics, but it came without, - two on my talk. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:23, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

Today: a woman in red, two who died under "in memoriam" and LouisAlain missed - my first editnotice read: "Every editor is a human being" which is quoted from a comment by Geometry guy in a 2012 discussion on WP:AN. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:35, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Siege of Breteuil

The article Siege of Breteuil you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Siege of Breteuil for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already appeared on the main page as a "Did you know" item, or as a bold link under "In the News" or in the "On This Day" prose section, you can nominate it within the next seven days to appear in DYK. Bolded names with dates listed at the bottom of the "On This Day" column do not affect DYK eligibility. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Iazyges -- Iazyges (talk) 08:41, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Hamilcar's victory with Naravas

On 18 September 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Hamilcar's victory with Naravas, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that an army commanded by Hannibal's father was saved from defeat when part of the enemy force deserted and fought alongside him? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Hamilcar's victory with Naravas. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Hamilcar's victory with Naravas), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

 — Amakuru (talk) 00:03, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

Promotion of Battle of the Bagradas River (c. 240 BC)

Congratulations, Gog the Mild! The article you nominated, Battle of the Bagradas River (c. 240 BC), has been promoted to featured status, recognizing it as one of the best articles on Wikipedia. The nomination discussion has been archived.

This is a rare accomplishment and you should be proud. If you would like, you may nominate it to appear on the Main page as Today's featured article. Keep up the great work! Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) via FACBot (talk) 12:06, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Hundred Years' War (1345–1347)

Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Hundred Years' War (1345–1347) you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Djmaschek -- Djmaschek (talk) 04:01, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

Apparently there is no rule forbidding an editor from requesting a GA class review on an article that has not yet had a B class review. To me this seems like putting the cart before the horse. But since I know you are a veteran user who knows what a good article is supposed to look like, I decided to do the Hundred Years' War (1345–1347) review. Djmaschek (talk) 01:39, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) That's right, there's no rules about prior assessments for any level of review. When I wrote MilHist articles, I was always conservative, going through B-Class, then GAN, then ACR, and finally FAC. I didn't really need to after a while, and Gog frequently eschews ACR before FAC too, and hasn't come off worse for it. I have to admit that a factor in my continuing with ACRs was that points-wise you got more bang for your buck in the monthly article-writing contest with A-Class compared to B, GA and FA... ;) Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 01:49, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) - I personally only use B-class if I have doubts or don't plan on taking it to GAN. I've written enough about some subjects that I have a pretty decent feel about when things are ready, and I reckon Gog does as well. Hog Farm _Talk 01:51, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

I mostly use B class assessment if I need points for the contest, otherwise going straight in at GAN. As Hog Farm notes, after a while one develops a feel for what is ready for what, and for the most part when I am working on an article I have FAC in mind. I have seen C class articles successfully nominated at FAC by an experienced editor (not me). As pointed out, there are no rules around this, merely an editor's reputation if they fluff their self assessment. Hopefully I didn't. Gog the Mild (talk) 12:41, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

I have just checked, I have created 17 articles, including Hundred Years' War (1345–1347), and 7 are currently Featured, with an 8th at FAC. Gog the Mild (talk) 14:56, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Sieges of Berwick (1355 and 1356)

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Your GA nomination of Hundred Years' War (1345–1347)

The article Hundred Years' War (1345–1347) you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold . The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needing to be addressed. If these are fixed within 7 days, the article will pass; otherwise it may fail. See Talk:Hundred Years' War (1345–1347) for issues which need to be addressed. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Djmaschek -- Djmaschek (talk) 03:21, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Sieges of Berwick (1355 and 1356)

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Your GA nomination of Hundred Years' War (1345–1347)

The article Hundred Years' War (1345–1347) you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Hundred Years' War (1345–1347) for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already appeared on the main page as a "Did you know" item, or as a bold link under "In the News" or in the "On This Day" prose section, you can nominate it within the next seven days to appear in DYK. Bolded names with dates listed at the bottom of the "On This Day" column do not affect DYK eligibility. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Djmaschek -- Djmaschek (talk) 15:41, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

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Ceres FAC II

Hi Gog,

Double Sharp and I believe Ceres (dwarf planet) should be moved to its formal name, 1 Ceres, parallel to e.g. 50000 Quaoar. However, we don't want to destabilize the article during FAC. On the other hand, I don't want to wait and then have the argument that it must stay at its current name because that's what it passed FAC under. Any advice? Could the title maybe be part of the FAC? — kwami (talk) 03:35, 26 September 2021 (UTC)

Hi kwami. No, any change of article for technical reasons is outwith the scope of FAC. For a current example, see the discussion on the talk page of a (one of mine) current FAC Third English Civil War. Or earlier this month during the FAC discussion of another of my nominations, Battle of the Bagradas River (240 BC), it was pointed out that the title needed changing. I agreed that this was the case so, after the FAC was over, moved it. Whether the title of an article needs to change has nothing to do with what it was called when it passed FAC (assuming it does). If that argument crops up, feel free to ping me in. IMO, the best place to discuss a possible title change is on the article's talk page, and this is entirely independent of the FAC process - except if a new title is agreed it should not be implemented until any FAC is closed. Copying Ian Rose in as a more experienced coordinator who may have a different view and or something to add. Gog the Mild (talk) 19:02, 26 September 2021 (UTC)

Thanks. Pinging @Double sharp: he was the one who suggested the move request. — kwami (talk) 19:18, 26 September 2021 (UTC)

Kwami, I assume that you have noted WP:COMMONNAME stating "Wikipedia does not necessarily use the subject's "official" name as an article title; it generally prefers the name that is most commonly used (as determined by its prevalence in a significant majority of independent, reliable English-language sources) ..." and Wikipedia:Naming conventions (astronomical objects) stating "Common names should be used for article titles, provided they are unambiguous". Gog the Mild (talk) 19:25, 26 September 2021 (UTC)

Yes. This is more the need for a dab. All but 5 minor planets have their MPC number as part of the title, even though they are generally called by just their name once their identity is established. (E.g. 4 Vesta.) This is true even when the name would be unambiguous as a WP title. (E.g. Lomia > 117 Lomia.) The only other MP dabbed with (dwarf planet) is Eris, but we wanted to include all 5 in the move request. — kwami (talk) 19:36, 26 September 2021 (UTC)

Yes, it's about natural disambiguation. Ceres needs disambiguation because of the goddess, so 1 Ceres (adding the official minor planet number) seems better than Ceres (dwarf planet) (adding parenthetical disambiguation). Double sharp (talk) 03:00, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

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