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Daikanyama

I see you removed the paragraph about the embassies. But, aren't you mixing up Daikanyama-cho (the administrative name) and Daikanyama (the area name)? Sarugagucho is in Daikanyama, so the embassies are in Daikanyama. Here is a map:[1]. Best regards,--Mycomp (talk) 06:35, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

I don't think the article Daikanyama is about "the area name" but "the administrative name". The lead says "Daikanyamachō" and postal code is 150-0034 which indicates Daikanyamachō.[2]. And the "Daikanyama 代官山" in your map is not "the area name" but a station name. Please see next station "Nakameguro 中目黒" or zoom in appropriately.[3] I don't know what "the area name" Daikanyama means. Could you provide any information about "the area name" Daikanyama? I think it is probably a very vague name that no one can define explicitly. ―― Phoenix7777 (talk) 10:00, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

You are right about the writing "Daikanyama" (it was the Toyoko line station). Mea culpa. But look at this: it is 代官山エリアガイド (Daikanyama area guide):[4] The Danish Embassy is listed as one of the embassies in Daikanyama. But, it's ok, if you think the embassies should not be mentioned in the Daikanyama article we can keep them out of it. I go to Daikanyama regularly, and "everybody" calls the area where the embassies are Daikanyama (yes, I know that is not an acceptable reference for Wiki :). Have a nice day.--Mycomp (talk) 11:41, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

Trikemike (talk) 01:11, 17 October 2009 (UTC)trikemikeTrikemike (talk) 01:11, 17 October 2009 (UTC)I think if it is to be claimed that a connection remains undemonstrated between Japonic languages and others, a citation is certainly called for! Thanks!

Takamikura, 1917

Timely contributions

Thank you for your thoughtful contributions to the thread at Talk:Order of Culture#Requested Move. In this context, perhaps it will be perceived as welcoming to point out the gilded figure atop the canopy structure used in Imperial enthronement ceremonies? Perhaps this 1917 image of a phoenix is new to you?--Tenmei (talk) 23:30, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for the honorable picture. I am proud of my user name which derived from the picture. I put it to my user page ―― Phoenix7777 (talk) 11:31, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

New message...

Hi Phoenix! Actually, those coordinates are for Shinjuku, the capital of the prefecture, Tokyo, which is different from the Greater Tokyo Area.
 —  Paine's Climax  03:35, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

Oops! you are right, Phoenix, I double checked and the correct coordinates for Shijuku are 35°42′2″N 139°42′54″E. I was a degree off on the latitude. My bad. The latd has been corrected.

 —  Paine's Climax  04:00, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

• PS. I've incorporated the coordinates you gave me, 35°41′23″N 139°41′30″E, into the infobox in the Greater Tokyo Area article.

Reverts

Took me lots of time collecting infos. Please discuss before reverting a whole set. All teas are from what I find and what I've bought in stores. aracha sencha japanese might be 煎茶の荒茶 rather than 荒茶煎茶 aracha gyokuro

Koicha / Usucha 抹茶

konacha

Then you can't reasonably place genmatcha as a type of tea, as this isn't a tea but a mix. Same thoughts with aracha (raw), and houjicha (roasted sencha with can also be bancha).

Might need some more cleanup on this article, as most the the tea names are just different processings of gyokuro, sencha, bancha... Might need to sub-categorize.

FCartegnie (talk) 13:04, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

(Copied above discussion to Talk:Green tea#Reverts in order to catch the attention of more editors. Subsequent discussion should be made there not here.) ―― Phoenix7777 (talk) 02:33, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Japanese ?

It is very important whether you are native Japanese or not, demoiselle.--Giapponese (talk) 05:04, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

Special Forces and Ninjas

Please read the following article from Dean Rostar, Croatian Police Special Forces and 15 dan Blackbelt, Bujinkan Ninjutsu:

http://www.specwog.bujinkan.hr/tekst-en.php?subaction=showfull&id=1084266135&archive=&start_from=&ucat=1& —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.222.236.154 (talk) 23:03, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

The banned user

Look, please read WP:BAN. Banned user's contribution is usually wholly blanked out, struck or deleted per the rule regardless of whether their contribution is good or not. However, the "discussion" was whole harassment campaign by Azukimonaka (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) against me. Moreover, the thread titles were named by "me", and I let the harassment campaign stay instead of blanking. Archived discussions' titles were fixed by editors in some occasions. In addition, you're no right to falsely accuse me of doing vandalism for that. That is a personal attack. Even if the banned user appears to claim his authorship, the sockpuppeter has no right whatsoever edit Wikipedia because at the time the "discussions" occurred while the troll was already banned by persistently block-evading. There is no honor for you to defend the banned user's dignity. --Caspian blue 14:26, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

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Daifuku

Hi. I restored the text you deleted, and added a {{fact}} tag. Unless the tag is there, readers and contributors are unlikely to know a reliable source is needed, and for the tag to be there the text has to be there too. --Una Smith (talk) 02:45, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

Una, thank you for informing me of your revert. However if it is left with {{cn}}, no one will never add a reference as with many other {{cn}. So I will bring it to the talk page, however probably no one will respond to my post either because no one can prove the description is true. Even if it is proved to be true, I am sure it is too rare case to describe it as a variation of daifuku.

I am concerned so many false descriptions are left with/without {{cn}}. Actually I removed dubious descriptions in Shumai recently.[5] In this case, I am not so confident as Daifuku, I brought it to talk page and Phillipine project.―― Phoenix7777 (talk) 21:06, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

If you delete the text, even fewer readers will even know a source is needed. So put the tag on, or better yet find a source. --Una Smith (talk) 05:05, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

What is the rationale you removed tag[6] without adding a reference? ―― Phoenix7777 (talk) 05:47, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

Already given on Talk:Daifuku. If it is not clear, please say so there. --Una Smith (talk) 06:02, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

WQA

Hello, Phoenix7777. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at Wikipedia:Wikiquette alerts regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 05:40, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

Sourcing for "Geisha"

Thank you for starting an effort to source "Geisha" honestly. Yes, I realize it was somebody unrelated who decided to employ fiction for this purpose; but anyway see Talk:Geisha for an attempt at an explanation. -- Hoary (talk) 02:02, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

KFC claim in Christianity in Japan

It occured to me I didn't know if you were watching Aphaia's talk page or not; anyway, I have replied there: User talk:Aphaia. Perhaps we should be having this conversation in Talk:Christianity in Japan? -- Joren (talk) 06:02, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

After getting the support from Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard please do so. ―― Phoenix7777 (talk) 06:28, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

Hi Phoenix, thank you for your reply. I don't believe RSN is intended to be a place where all sources must be vetted before being used; if you read the noticeboard, you will find that RSN is more of a place to go if you have doubts about a source that has already been used in an article and want it checked out. However, I appreciate the intent. WP:V and WP:RS are better places to direct people if you want to convey what Wikipedia considers to be a reliable source.

I've been Googling and what I've found (filtering out blogs of course) are rather unsatisfactorily mostly news articles with bits of journal and encyclopedia sprinkled in here and there.

Voice of America - Japan and Fried Chicken: A New Christmas Tradition? - Seems to give a good overview but would prefer something other than VOA.

Reuters - It's Christmas! Have a little more bat meat! - This one is usable perhaps.... At least they had reporters in Tokyo.

Reuters - In Japan, $850 Christmas chicken defies recession - This one references the tradition, but only does so as a side note.

KFC Christmas (BBC, et al) - Kind of short, not terribly thorough; seems to rely mostly on KFC's own version of events

On my next library visit I'll search their journal database and see what they have. Who knows, might discover something on my bookshelf too :O -- Joren (talk) 07:03, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

I apologize if I offended you by reverting your edit. Yes, you may be able to find a reliable source supporting KFC, however you may also be able to find a reliable source supporting McDonald's sells special chicken menus during the Christmas season. What is clear is that chicken is very popular in Japan during the Christmas season regardless of fried chicken, roast chicken, chicken burger or chicken nugget. So if you mention only KFC, it is against NPOV. ―― Phoenix7777 (talk) 09:40, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

• Well, no. I didn't state I was looking for a kind of source that talks about it being on sale. I'd be looking for a secondary source that authoritatively states that it is a tradition. But anyway... no offense taken, just, we seem to be miscommunicating. You seem to believe that "what is clear" to you is clear to me as well. It is not.
• You might want to keep this in mind before saying things are POV or NPOV; after all, unless you cite evidence to back up "what is clear", it just seems like someone's POV and you make as little sense to me as I made to you :P From what was "clear to me", there was a KFC tradition, anecdotal, news media, and article evidence seemed to confirm it, so I was not aware of any bias, and your calling it POV wouldn't have made much sense to me if I hadn't read Aphaia's reply before reading yours. However, Aphaia has actually explained her understanding in a way that makes sense, so I'm willing to go with that. In the future, instead of just asserting "what is clear", you might want to explain and back it up, as Aphaia has done, and we can avoid further miscommunication. Thank you,

-- Joren (talk) 10:08, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

Ady Gil article, Peter Bethune's detention and arrest

Hello, You removed the referenced video showing Peter Bethune delivering his bill to the captain of the Shonan Maru 2. This video is important because another editor inserted the word "ostensibly" into the Ady Gil article, regarding the purpose of Bethune's visit to the Captain of the Shonan Maru 2. But the supporting news story which is referenced states that as a fact, and the video of Bethune knocking on the door of the bridge of the Shonan Maru 2 with a piece of paper in his hand also supports this. He was not attempting to sabotage or blow up the ship, for example. I'm going to revert your recent change based on this information. Ghostofnemo (talk) 13:26, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

Also, this is not a self-published source. Bethune did not take a video of himself on another ship or post it. It is evidence that he was there to contact the ship's captain. Ghostofnemo (talk) 13:41, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

tenno title

1; there is no word in japanese for the latin word Imperator, or emperor in english or emperador in spanish, 2;the meaning of the title which belongs to Japanese monarch, shown in this publication is incorrect, there is no literal translation of the word emperor of origin in the Latin language,to the Japanese language,

3; As I explain here, is obvious and need no sources this 天 means, heaven or heavenly or celestial , and this 皇 NOT means "Emperor" or "king", this 王 means "king"...., this 皇 means some type of "sovereign" rather than king {王}, 天子 this means son of heaven, from 天 {Heaven} and 子 son or prince, that is why 天皇 {tennō} means "heavenly sovereign" Thats is why.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.129.106.213 (talk) 02:16, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Please discuss at Talk:Emperor of Japan#exactly meaning of the title tennō, not here. ―― Phoenix7777 (talk) 02:22, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Kofun Haniwa soldier

What can I say? I do agree with you Phoenix7777 about the caption being too detailed for a picture. Yet I still think the caption is far too laconic as it is. If you pay attention to my edits you will find out that I had actually started trimming down and redistributing the information to the more suitable Chokutō page. The Haniwa soldier holds a Chokutō indeed, additionally showing a slight though obvious inward curvature.

I have been researching this particular ancient sword and its roughly 5 different pommel based sub-varieties. I have personally visited the largest collections of Kofun Period material including Kofun period swords, and engaged in discussions with resident experts and archaeologist versed in this topic. One particularly important reference is one publication by the Chikatsu Atsuka Museum (Osaka prefecture) which documented the most ample collection of Kofun period swords from various museums across Japan. I will soon enough provide this reference, amongst other equally valuable references published by the Tenri University Museum which I also visited. I have pictures, which they allowed me to take, of two exquisitely well preserved Chokutō (one Kantou-tachi and one Kentou-tachi), which I would like to add to the Wikipedia Chokutō page, though I have never done it, tried once but failed for some reason. Can you help me do it?--Luxgratia (talk) 17:04, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

Japanese Buddhist architecture

Hi, Phoenix7777. Thanks for the changes you are making to the article and for the message. I am dropping a line just to say that I am receptive to more suggestions about this or other articles, and that I will learn how to use properly the Harvnb template. Frank (Urashima Tarō) (talk) 00:57, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

Hi, Taro. I hope the readers will find it useful. ―― Phoenix7777 (talk) 09:15, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

Ken Hirai

Hello. In February you added a citation to a book from the "Webster's Quotations, Facts and Phrases" series published by Icon Group International to this article. Unfortunately, Icon Group International is not a reliable source - their books are computer-generated, with most of the text copied from Wikipedia (most entries have [WP] by them to indicate this, see e.g. [7]). I've only removed the reference, not the text it was referencing. I'm removing a lot of similar references as they are circular references; many other editors have also been duped by these sources. Despite giving an appearance of reliability, the name "Webster's" has been public domain since the late 19th century. Another publisher to be wary of as they reuse Wikipedia articles is Alphascript Publishing. Fences&Windows 17:11, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks....

... for your contribution to the article Nureongi! Chrisrus (talk) 15:50, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

Tributaries of Imperial China

As you can see, I supplemented and slightly modified the inline citation at List of tributaries of Imperial China which was restored by JamesBWatson here.

The actual copy of the book you used must have Pratt listed as first author; but OCLC lists Hoare as first author. I used the version which was online verifiable. Under the circumstances, I wondered if there might be a need for me to explain this?

I do not have a copy of this book, but I was able to verify the accuracy of the citation using Google in a non-obvious way:

• re: Goryo (173 tribute missions)

using "173 tribute missions" as search topic in Google books yields several "hits", including this one — http://www.google.com/search?tbs=bks%3A1&tbo=1&q=173+tribute+missions&btnG=Search+Books

• re: Baekje (45 tribute missions)

using "45 tribute missions" ... yields ... — http://books.google.com/books?id=e7pyBEWioLsC&pg=PA482&dq=45+tribute+missions&hl=en&ei=_4ViTLTYBYS8lQeF_7jTCg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=5&ved=0CEMQ6AEwBA

• re: Unified Silla (63 tribute missions in 8th century)

using "63 tribute missions in 8th century" ... yields ... — http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&tbo=1&tbs=bks%3A1&q=63+tribute+missions+in+8th+century&btnG=Search&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=

I hope this mitigates a "problem" which was never really a problem. --Tenmei (talk) 12:53, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

Hi, Tenmei. I am not sure the intent of your edit. I rearranged the refs.

1. Why did you discard my template {{cite book}} of "Korea: a historical and cultural dictionary"?
   1. Why did you remove the Google book link to "Korea: a historical and cultural dictionary"?
   2. "Why did you change the author's name from "Pratt, Keith L.; Rutt, Richard; Hoare, James (1999)" to "Hoare, James et al."?
2. Why did you concatenate the refs like "Hoare, p. 482; Korea Herald. (2004) Korea now, p. 31; excerpt, "The Chinese also insist that even though Goguryeo was part of Chinese domain, Silla and Baekje were states subjected to China's tributary system.""? I think this is not a standard practice.

―― Phoenix7777 (talk) 23:07, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

I'm going to assume that your question was rhetorical. There is nothing wrong with your edit, nor is there anything wrong with your citation format. Any point I may have been trying to make is not very important. --Tenmei (talk) 02:39, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

Whale meat

Hello folks, as expected, the POV tag on whale meat is preventing it from hitting the front page as DYK. I would really like it to make it. As you know, DYKs get thousands of hits. A whale meat DYK might get 5 thousand or more.

This would be very good for the article, as editors would improve it, and neutrality issues would certainly be resolved. Also, if you feel strongly about whale meat consumption, this is a good way for it to get exposure.

So, please, could we remove the tag? Or, if there are issues, could we remove the contentious text for the time being. After DYK, other editors will restore it or leave it out, based on consensus. I hope this seems fair. Time is short, so please act quickly.

I also sent this message to User talk:Malick78. Thank you. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 00:36, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

See also DYK nom. Thanks. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 00:57, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

If you think it's POV, please remove the offending text. Then, in your eyes, it will be neutral, yes? Then please remove the tag. Then, we can let the new eyes decide. Does that seem fair? If not, what do you suggest? Anna Frodesiak (talk) 15:28, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

I think it is now too late for the article to get DYK exposure. Now there will probably be a POV tag and extended dispute over content. A real shame. I am wondering why you didn't take the time to respond. You objected to removing the tag. I offered a solution. You didn't reply. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 22:54, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

Re-visiting a proposal

Please give some thought to my arguments in support of Elmor's proposal to rename Eulsa Treaty -- see here. Do I need to explain any part of this using different words?

Do you have any questions or suggestions? --Tenmei (talk) 21:57, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Hi, Tenmei. I responded to Talk:Eulsa Treaty#Requested move. ―― Phoenix7777 (talk) 09:44, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Phoenix7777 -- You may not have noticed that I relisted the projected move of Eulsa Treaty at WP:Requested moves#Current discussions/August 31. It is only prudent for me to alert all contributors in our discussion about changing the name of this article.

Please consider Talk:Eulsa Treaty#Relisting at WP:Requested moves. On one hand, this can be construed as an unnecessary delay. On the other hand, this ensures the possibility of wider community input which may bring out any points-of-view which remain unstated or glossed over. --Tenmei (talk) 17:04, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Ping. I sent you an e-mail. --Tenmei (talk) 23:01, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Ping. I sent a follow-up e-mail. --Tenmei (talk) 00:51, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Talkback

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Move edit warring on Senkaku Islands

Please do not engage in move edit warring on Senkaku Islands. The proper way to take care of the issue would have been to raise your concerns first on Talk:Senkaku Islands, let everyone come to a consensus, and then request that the article be moved according to that consensus. Further POV-pushing by moving the article without any discussion may result in an escalation of consequences. Thank you for your cooperation. ···日本穣^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WikiProject Japan! 03:33, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Phoenix7777, your move of neutral Pinnacle Islands to Japanese Senkaku Islands seems to be based on a flawed google search with a careful choice of keywords. Correct me if i'm wrong. Anyway, Wikipedia is not a place for nationalists to claim sovereignty and it's hardly productive to stir up a move warring between the use of "senkaku" or "diaoyu" as we can see in Liancourt Rocks and Sea of Japan which become an unproductive gala for Korean and Japanese nationalists but left nothing to the community. --Winstonlighter (talk) 05:19, 9 September 2010 (UTC)