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Jordan's weight

Trivial, but Jordan's official NBA.com page lists him at 216 lbs:

http://www.nba.com/historical/playerfile/index.html?player=michael_jordan

8/23/11 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hubertdavisfor3 (talk • contribs) 16:47, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

We probably should go with that. I don't know where 215 comes from. Zagalejo^^^ 23:41, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

Include mention MJ as nickname/moniker

 Done

Due to a dispute about a literal-minded interpretation of the guideline for disambiguation pages, can this page include an explicit mention of the initials "MJ" as a commonly used shorthand for refering to Jordan? I'm not sure about where to place this information in such a high-profile article like this. While I argue this is simple common sense and that WP:IAR should apply on the dab page, another editor disagrees and insists that there needs to be an explicit reference on this page in order to include Jordan on the MJ dab page. There are many references to "MJ" in the headline of blogs associated with quality news organizations, and also likely many to be found in actual news articles, though those need more careful parsing as "MJ" is less likely to appear in the headline. A few possible sources: "MJ scores with new steakhouse", Chicago Tribune; "Maya Moore talks WNBA playoffs", Toronto Sun Quote: the best basketball player in the world -- MJ himself. Yes, Michael Jordan; [http://www.wcnc.com/news/local/Bobcats-owner-Jordan-still-cashing-in-130568103.html "Michael Jordan makes $60 million in endorsements", WCNC.com., Quote: MJ is still one of the most well-liked athletes in the world. older ≠ wiser 13:47, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

Sure. Add to the lead perhaps?—Chris!_c/t 17:20, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

That's typically where such things go, though it just seems a little stupid to me to have to state something that's so obvious. Another possibility might be to introduce it at a later point, something like Jordan (known as "MJ" to fans and sports headline writers), etc.. older ≠ wiser 17:35, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

I think this source is most explicit about MJ being a nickname. But I agree that it'll be awkward to add it here.. "Air Jordan" is at least discussed in context. Zagalejo^^^ 18:00, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

I propose resolving this issue by adding the following sentence to the end of the lead section:

Jordan is sometimes referred to simply by his initials MJ.

Does anyone have any objections? (Disclosure: I am "other editor" mentioned in the original post, who asserts that "MJ" should be mentioned explicitly on this page if Jordan is to be included on the MJ DAB page.) Mitch Ames (talk) 13:14, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

I won't fight it. It does seem like a weird thing to end the lead with. We'd probably need to restructure parts of the lead to make a better fit. But I guess it's good enough for right now. Zagalejo^^^ 22:17, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

I did consider adding appending it to the sentence that mentions his nicknames "Air Jordan" and "His Airness", but that sentence is about his "leaping ability", not his nickname(s), so adding MJ there would look even sillier than adding a sentence to the end of the lead. Mitch Ames (talk) 23:36, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, I agree that it wouldn't make sense there. Zagalejo^^^ 05:28, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

Done. Mitch Ames (talk) 13:07, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

98-99 season

Why doesn't the article say anything about his 98-99 season? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.82.187.246 (talk) 22:27, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

He had retired before the season began. Zagalejo^^^ 01:04, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

Peacocks

Re: statement "[Michael Jordan] was instrumental in popularizing the NBA around the world in the 1980s and 1990s". Please review Wiki policy and just state the facts. There also seem to be many other instances in this article. --Coolbb (talk) 19:39, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

That specific example is not puffery. There are plenty of sources that discuss his role in popularizing the NBA (see this and this, for a couple of examples.) Zagalejo^^^ 21:59, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

If you want to reword things, feel free, but I don't think that specific statement is egregiously bad. Zagalejo^^^ 23:23, 1 January 2012 (UTC)