Talk:Deadmau5

Pronunciation

How do you pronounce the name? "Dead Mouse" or "Dead Mao 5"??

-G —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.115.210.94 (talk) 08:51, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

you pronounce it dead mouse mate ;) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fuegocasey (talk • contribs) 00:20, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

actually it is pronounced deadmaus —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.196.232.32 (talk) 16:58, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

no its pronounced "dead mouse" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.225.142.123 (talk) 10:23, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

you can pronounce it however you choose, whether its "dead mouse", "dead mau", or "dead mau five". i use them all interchangeably. Joel has never said specifically which way to pronounce it. its really just stylized text, and so doesnt matter all that much. call it what you like. — Preceding unsigned comment added by theSHIZ_NIT1996 (talk • contribs) 15:29, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

I used to say "dead mau five", but later found out it was supposed to be "deadmaus". funny thing is that I heard him say "dead mau five" in one of his video blogs. So yeah it really is up to you how you say it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Donkey-er (talk • contribs) 15:38, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

Untitled

Removed "minimal trance". My god, there is no such thing as minimal trance. Ugly. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.110.208.26 (talk) 01:40, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

minimal trance isnt an individual genre. minimal is and trance is. you can have a fusion of the two. — Preceding unsigned comment added by theSHIZ_NIT1996 (talk • contribs) 15:33, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

I've removed this once but it keeps reappearing. Whilst it is useful to say how it should be pronounced for clarity I don't think there is any need to list potential mispronounciations. Gavint0 (talk) 10:55, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Agree - completely not needed, why does the average reader have to know how some people mis-pronounce something? - eo (talk) 11:51, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

GTA IV Soundtrack

I Thought Inside Out (with Chris Lake) and his remix of One + One's No Pressure are both in GTA IV, and are credited, but I'm pretty sure his track, Arguru, is also in there, though uncredited. Can anybody confirm? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.223.255.124 (talk) 01:10, 1 June 2008 (UTC) No, I'm pretty sure Arguru isn't in GTA IV.

06:36, 3 February 2012 (UTC) I removed some pointless vandalism edits — Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.177.231.46 (talk) 06:36, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

Origin of Name

Deadmau5's name originates from the computer internet chat client Internet Relay Chat. His original name was Dead Mouse and is an anecdote of a mouse that has crawled in through the exhaust fan of a tower computer and died, this too is where deadmau5's image of a dead mouse with crossed out eyes. The crossed eyes is synonymous with an object or person that is dead. Dead Mouse is abbreviated due to the Internet Relay Chat server network he was using at the time only allowing 8 characters in length and therefore dead mouse being 9-10 depending if a space is included. Thus the nick is shortened to 8 by having deadmau5. Youtube Deadmau5 Channel reference
--Gbirley (talk) 00:10, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

It might have been a chat server but I'm afraid I'm calling bullshit on the IRC story. IRC nicks have been maximum of 9 characters for as long as the RFC1459 (1993), so he could have used "deadmouse" easily enough, aside from which even if he had discovered an IRC server with max nick length of 8 characters, he could have used "deadmaus" so the story basically doesn't hold up. It's a small point but I'm not sure why this story is being passed around when it contains these inconsistences. I don't believe he'd fabricate the story but it would be good to explain this with a bit more detail. Does anyone know of any IRC server at any time anywhere that only allows nicks of 8 characters? 86.169.180.177 (talk) 00:35, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

Deadmau5 played on need for speed hot pursuit cause he is AWEsoeME and better than fat-boy(gay) slim

                                                         Thankyou for your time.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.137.35.141 (talk) 04:40, 9 May 2011 (UTC) 

Why isn't there a date or year attributed to this? It makes it seem like everything that pre-existed Billboard didn't exist. Being born in 1981 would indicate his interaction with IRC probably pre-existed his professionally published career, and even possibly when IRC was all there was for real-time chat on the internet 76.21.107.221 (talk) 00:53, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

Discog?

Why remove? Most other artists have one. The Ronin (talk) 14:08, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

2008 DJMag poll

Results have not been released yet. You know he's #11 how? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.86.159.237 (talk) 18:28, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

They were leaked two days early. DJ Mag sent out the magazine early and subscribers received them before the official unveiling of the results. A State Of Trance (talk) 01:38, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Chris Lake

Why is Chris Lake listed as an associated act? It is not apparent from this article. Wickethewok (talk) 20:46, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Deadmau5 collaborated with Chris Lake on the album 4x4=12, the song is called I Said and it is a remix by Michael Woods, I know it wasn't released when you posted but just putting it straight for people who read this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.226.190.1 (talk) 22:52, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

is their an online source for this?

Copyright Issue with DeadMau5 and IL

I think it should be noted that Deadmau5 and Image-line had a legal battle involving 2 samples copyrighted —Preceding unsigned comment added by FuzzyDan (talk • contribs) 23:20, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

From what I understand, the battle wasn't between Image-Line and Deadmau5.

FL Studio 8 came with two loop samples from Faxing Berlin. An FL Studio user created a song with these samples. Deadmau5 had a sissy fit. Then Image- Line came out and called the user a thief.

But what are those loops doing in FL Studio? They're under the Packs folder, which is where one finds free samples for use in your own songs (Image-Line's ads explicitely state that the samples that come with FL Studio are royalty-free). Image-Line dishonestly stated that the loops were EXAMPLES, not free samples, but something tells me that Faxing Berlin was not produced with FL Studio, and why would they be perfect 8/16 beat loops with the BPM indicated (128) if they were not intended for use in your own tracks?

Tebello TheWHAT!!?? 18:45, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

• Future Music Article Regards, FM [ talk to me | show contributions ]  15:13, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Actually there is a lot of his tracks are in FL Studio, its just samples like Hey Baby, Lai, Lollercoaster, Bounce, two samples of Faxing Berlin the drum loop and a sample of the real song.

Trivia

I recently found some trivia about Joel Zimmermann and his tattoo. I would really appreciate if someone could insert it into the article.

Beatportal released a small article about deadmau5' tattoo on his neck: [http://www.beatportal.com/feed/item/the-curious-case-of-deadmau5-neck-tattoo/ Beatportal: The curious case of Deadmau5' neck tattoo. You stupid bastard because he was born on the same day as space invaders christ....

In his new video (Ghosts'n stuff, see official deadmau5 Youtube channel) he satirizes his own mistake. Joel falls into coma and wakes up with this green tattoo on his neck.

Greetings, --212.64.228.100 (talk) 11:40, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Deadmau5 has a tattoo on his neck, he is not upset with it, on his Facebook, he was talking about getting more tattoos of the similar thing on his arm. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.147.20.252 (talk) 15:30, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

Does anybody know where deadmau5 graduated from, if he did graduate

On soundcloud.org he goes by the user name "fuckmylife" and has a track called FML on "for lack of a better name" can anyone expand on this?

I would speculate that since he uses soundcloud for messing around / testing new loops etc. that he may not want associated with his Deadmau5 labelled releases. I don't think the track FML is at all related to his soundcloud id, according to the "For Lack of a Better Name" Wikipedia article FML was a track made for the TV series Gossip Girl, the title is probably somehow relevant to the tv show. Also the names of Deadmau5's releases typically aren't relevant to the contents of the track / album but rather they seem to be trivia from the time or in many cases just random titles (e.g. see the source for naming of the album 4x4=12) Suffice to say I wouldn't waste too much time trying to search for any deeper meanings in Deadmau5's choice of names. Troll-Life (talk) 13:29, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

Biography

deadmau5's 'Biography' reads like it was lifted from a PR press bio. Certainly not neutral, with lines like, "It's electrifying stuff." And has the informal, hyping feel with sentences such as, "Hard to believe that three years ago, Zimmerman was all but unknown." Or look at the final paragraph:

"No Grammy just yet, then, but you wouldn’t bet against him winning one in the future. Deadmau5 is on a dizzying upward trajectory. Dance music just got very exciting again." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.200.241.75 (talk) 15:12, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

Agreed. -216.165.16.94 (talk) 23:01, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

Capitalization

Is it "deadmau5" or "Deadmau5"? Velorium (talk) 19:47, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

It's deadmau5. Check his official website. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.130.196.65 (talk) 23:05, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

Some bot misplaced the following comment. 76.21.107.221 (talk) 00:58, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

Well, both the youtube channel and the oficial fan-page on facebook are named "deadmau5" so i think thats the way you spell it —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.160.99.34 (talk) 22:55, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

Wording in introduction

I minor thing in the introduction struck me. The following statement sound rather value-laden "His extensive discography includes". "Extensive" is not descriptive of the facts nor accurate rather it imparts an opinion. I suggest that this be changed to something more neutral in value. ConferAll (talk) 22:11, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

It would be extensive if it included anything he did before 2008. What gives? 76.21.107.221 (talk) 00:57, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

Exhaustion

http://www.deadmau5.com/news/deadmau5collapsedshowscancelled/ Would it be relevant to add this somewhere in the article ?74.58.231.74 (talk) 04:50, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Babygrl5666, 23 August 2010

{{editsemiprotected}}

Babygrl5666 (talk) 23:23, 23 August 2010 (UTC) Pronounced dead-mau five

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Celestra (talk) 01:10, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

2010 MTV VMAs

Why is it not listed in the Bio that he was just named house DJ for the 2010 MTV Video Music Awards. http://www.mtv.com/videos/news/552745/meet-vma-house-artist-deadmau5.jhtml#id=1644953 72.2.145.250 (talk) 20:15, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

I'm wondering this as well. It was quite a high profile gig. Can any of the regular contributors of this article explain why? :) Fixer23 (talk) 13:46, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

edit request

{{Edit semi-protected}} It should also be mentioned that deadmau5's new EP will likely include the other songs released through his Youtube account and on Beatport, namely his collaboration with Wolfgang Gartner "Animal Rights" and "Sofi Needs a Ladder" featuring SOFI. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5uff3r (talk • contribs)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Thanks, Stickee (talk) 22:20, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Wtfnerd123, 20 September 2010

{{edit semi-protected}} In the begining of the article it says hes an electric house producer. He's an electric house disc jockey. This should be corrected. DEADMAUS IS A DJ.

Wtfnerd123 (talk) 16:21, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

 Not done He is a producer. He writes, composes and remixes all of his music, both in studio and live = producer. - eo (talk) 17:08, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

Can you provide reliable secondary sources to verify your claims, please? Devourer09 20:47, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

The article currently sounds like it explains why he doesn't call himself a DJ. And there are footnotes for his copyrighted music. It seems this discussion thread is asking for secondary sources which already exist in the article! 76.21.107.221 (talk) 01:01, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from 71.163.147.207, 3 November 2010

{{edit semi-protected}} Under the health section of the page it states

"At 9:30 PM on 30 July 2010, deadmau5 collapsed on stage, suffering from exhaustion and vomiting. deadmau5's set was cut short as he was rushed to a hospital, and his collapse also led to the cancellation of the nine shows following the event"

this did not happen at 9:30 PM, is happened at the 9:30 club in Washington DC. This is actually what the citation for this statement says and what I personally know to be true since I was at the show

71.163.147.207 (talk) 16:55, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

 Done -Atmoz (talk) 23:27, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

Edit request: DJ Hero 2

Can someone change the part about him being in DJ Hero 2. It's in the past tense, as the game is already out. I don't have the clearance yet to edit a semi-protected article article. Juiposa (talk) 03:33, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

 Done Kevin Morse (talk) 03:29, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

Mau5trap

Any specific reason that a Mau5etrap page hasn't been created yet? It's quickly becoming the most influential label within electronic music. Fatrb38 (talk) 00:17, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

Edit request

Didn't he also win best dubstep in the IDMA's? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.127.251.8 (talk) 20:00, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

Style

In the introductory paragraph, his repetitive style is worthy of mention. Some dm5 fans may view this as a rude remark, but gradienting into different sounds is indeed his style. Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTcopp-mpmo —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.182.166.239 (talk) 13:59, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

YouTube is not a reliable source. 122.105.128.209 (talk) 12:27, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

Biography

I'd like to see a more detailed biography written in the article.

Like this one but from a more neutral point of view.

Could anyone please do this?

-90.130.196.65 (talk) 23:29, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from Robotchicken007, 8 April 2011

an addition to the article for deadmau5's interaction with fans would be appropriate; he created and maintains a Minecraft server with which he personally interacts with fans, as well as a Ustream channel where he answers fan questions and lets viewers listen to ongoing work, live. His avid fan base can be attributed to the closer, more personal relationship he has with fans. He's also been posting casual, random videos on his YouTube page since 2005 or so, and continues to. It should be noted that not many celebrity artists are nearly as /accessible/ to their fans. A recently released single, "HR 8938 Cephei", was previously heard/seen being worked over on deadmau5's Ustream show. His public image is more relatable as a result. Robotchicken007 (talk) 07:32, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. — Bility (talk) 21:51, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ROb2loBrgc proof enough? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.142.22.210 (talk) 02:56, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

Youtube is NOT a reliable source. No ifs, ands or buts! Please see WP:NOTABILITY and WP:RS. Barts1a | Talk to me | Yell at me 05:16, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

It's a Youtube reposting of a video magazine. If it were aired on the History Channel, it'd be considered a reliable source. 76.21.107.221 (talk) 01:03, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from Gavinfaw, 30 May 2011

Deadmau5 was also the first music artist to release his own branded iPhone application, titled Deadmau5 Remix. Deadmau5 Remix allows fans to remix his music on their iPhone/iPad/iPod Touch. The remix can then be entered into a competition and shared with their friends on Facebook. Deadmau5 states about his app “Touch Remix rips up the rulebook in terms of how fans interact with my music. I love the the fact that they can endlessly personalize and mix my tracks in a unique way.”

Gavinfaw (talk) 15:30, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. elektrikSHOOS 18:44, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from 174.91.79.142, 4 June 2011

Within the first few paragraphs it reads that Deadmau5 was worked alongside other DJs... etc... Deadmau5 is not a DJ, rather a music producer. He is known for disagreeing with the term, and has been quoted to not like DJs in general. He makes music, DJs play music.

As for links, they are just about everywhere:

This page: http://www.deadmau5.com/mau5trap/ reads as follows: “mau5trap records is a record label. we make records. dj’s play our records for people to listen to. sometimes people dance to it, or play it in their cars. that’s all there is to it really.”

Another link: http://trainspottr.com/djproducer-deadmau5-public-statement-about-djs-theyre-fcking-cts/1452

And another link: (first line): http://www.deadmau5.com/biography/

But yeah, I would like the line where it says he's a DJ changed, as he's not. A DJ is someone who plays other people's music, and makes nothing of their own from scratch. deadmau5 makes music.

174.91.79.142 (talk) 04:42, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

What is he doing in his concerts and in clubs? Does he not play his music with turntables and prerecorded tracks? Even if he only DJs his own music, he's still a DJ right? — Bility (talk) 23:58, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

Also, he remixes other's music. Anyway, if you can respond, feel free to reopen your request by changing the answered parameter from "yes" to "no". — Bility (talk) 21:11, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from dlr192, 19 June 2011

The "Awards and Nominations" section does not include several awards that deadmau5 received during March of 2011, and I feel that the section should be updated in order to provide an accurate list of the artist's achievements.

At the 2011 IDMA awards, which were held on March 10 of 2011, Deadmau5 received 3 awards at the show; Best American DJ (North America), Best Artist (Solo) and Best Dubstep/DnB/Jungle Track (for "Raise your Weapon.") He also received three further nominations in the categories of Best Global DJ, Best Producer and Best Electro/Tech House Track (for "Animal Rights"). A list of the awards' results can be found at the awarding body's website: http://wintermusicconference.com/idmaballot/nominees/

Deadmau5 has also won the 2011 Juno Award for Dance Recording of the Year, for "Sofi Needs a Ladder." This was announced on the awarding body's website: http://junoawards.ca/2011-juno-award-nominees/#dance_recording_of_the_year

Finally, Deadmau5 recieved the 2011 Beatport Music Awards for Top Electro House Track (for "Animal Rights") and the Community Choice award for Artist of the Year. Again, the details are on the awarding body's website: http://www.beatportal.com/feed/item/the-4th-annual-beatport-music-awards/ Dlr192 (talk) 21:01, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from Robertjfinn1, 11 August 2011

Please add Skrillex as an associated act, as they often work closely with one another. link to article Robertjfinn1 (talk) 18:03, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

 Done Topher385 (talk) 21:10, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from Eleutherius, 20 August 2011 Re the "head"

Just wondering if we could have a section deadicated to the mau5head. Its so intertwined to his onstage persona i feel it deserves more than a line in the introduction.anyone got info on its creation and first use? Eleutherius (talk) 15:23, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from Rednaz, 5 October 2011

Just looking to add a few things.

Under Live Performances: From August until November 2011, deadmau5 conducted a tour playing 49 cities across North America. Guests on the tour included Excision, Tommy Lee, DJ Aero and vocalist Sofi Toufa. The tour was sponsored by Zimmerman's label, mau5trap. Ref:Meowington's Hax Tour

Under External Links: deadmau5 Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/deadmau5

Thanks! -- Rednaz (talk) 00:25, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

 Not done -- We do not post these Facebook links. You can post his official page. --Mohamed Aden Ighe (talk) 21:58, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

Why not? I've seen it done before on other celebrity articles. 99.141.248.206 (talk) 22:32, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

Please see Wikipedia:External links/Perennial websites#Facebook/Myspace. Those links are sometimes used in cases where an article's subject has an official Facebook presence and not an official website; in this case, it seems that the article is already linking to an official website. – Luna Santin (talk) 00:54, 22 October 2011 (UTC)

deadmau5's choice of underwear? O.o

I have no clue if anyone wants to include this under Personal Life, but he wears boxer-briefs as seen at one of his concerts. Here's a picture as a reference on Facebook. Those are indeed, boxer-briefs. 99.141.248.206 (talk) 22:31, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

deadmau5 on 4chan's /mu/

It's worth noting that deadmau5 participated in a Q&A on 4chan's /mu/ today. I will supply the link but I have no doubts in saying it will be deleted soon, or archived rather. http://boards.4chan.org/mu/res/21004009 Broden (talk) 07:48, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

Edit request on 8 December 2011

can someone add that deadmau5 played on 28th november 2011 in london at presentation of nokia lumia? reference with video and song list: http://goldmyr.blogspot.com/2011/12/madness-of-presentation-of-nokia-lumia.html Jekyll28 (talk) 12:53, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Do you have a reliable source as generally blogspots are not considered reliable. --Jnorton7558 (talk) 19:32, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

death?

deadmau5 didn't die, did he? today? dec 11? why is this included in the article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.64.121.238 (talk) 04:29, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

Removed; unsourced, unconfirmed by anything I could find. intooblv (talk) 04:38, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

Edit request on 12 December 2011

Deadmau5 is still alive. Just sayin'.

99.241.30.185 (talk) 05:12, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

We know and have already removed the false information. Thanks for your concern Barts1a | Talk to me | Yell at me 05:14, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

Edit request on 20 December 2011

Please add a period mark (.) at the end of the first paragraph after the word "Vexillogy" because it does not have an ending quotation (such as a period).

Bellakbiak (talk) 02:47, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

 Done --Jnorton7558 (talk) 16:44, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

Depression

Im not sure if this would be considered a source but on his facebook page, he posted a message talking about his severe depression and anxiety over the past year, might be good to add in "Personal Life"

"Anyway, just gunna wrap up these shows this year n try to have a little fun. I've been dealing with severe depression and anxiety all year. Taking a long time off after my birthday to hopefully get it sorted out before I say or do anything more stupid than I already have."

https://www.facebook.com/deadmau5/posts/10150466847866806

anyways hope i can contribute, thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.162.44.67 (talk) 04:28, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

Edit request on 8 January 2012

Hi i just noticed i don't know if its true but Ive seen a bit more that deadmau5 has a album called Deadmau5 - A Little Oblique you might want to look in to it 173.10.200.118 (talk) 22:07, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up. If you find a reliable source feel free to drop back by here and let us know. Cheers! — Bility (talk) 17:08, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

Conversation.

I had a conversation with this guy, or at least I believe I did. He was really nice and seemed totally legit. My convo with him: http://l.omegle.com/e9e1c.png 173.19.37.220 (talk) 01:09, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

How do you know that wasn't just someone pretending to be the mau5? Barts1a / What did I actually do right? / What did I do wrong this time? 01:12, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

Never mind. I don't know the guy, and I didn't know how popular he was. I didn't think anybody would pose as him. WOW, I'm gullible. 173.19.37.220 (talk) 04:20, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

Early Career

I think that it should be worth mentioning that his original alias was halcyon441. There are a couple of tracks he gave out when he first got started (ex.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLJ08gHRVdI&feature=related) that should probably go somewhere in his discography. I am trying to find a bit more information about his early career but it is tough.

I have heard that his releases popping up on the web (Aural Psynapse, Haitus Fantasy) are actually tracks he made as halcyon441 that he didn't release, but I can't find articles to confirm this. If anybody stumbles across sources related to halcyon 441 let me know.

57ashdot (talk) 18:45, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

Jew

He is Jewish. Zztheman96 (talk) 20:16, 26 January 2012 (UTC) zztheman96

Any reliable sources to support that claim? Barts1a / What did I actually do right? / What did I do wrong this time? 02:10, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

Yes, here's one source 68.198.104.107 (talk) 18:33, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

Every piece of biographical information on deadmau5 screams non-Jewish. His father is a factory worker, his mother's side is named Johnson, he has a brother named Chris, and the family clearly celebrated Christmas (which some Jews do, of course). All Hallow's Wraith (talk) 00:01, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

Just to be clear...

After watching the mouse head thing on the Grammy's I'm a little confused. Does this person compose/create the music we're hearing or does he play other people's work? I can't tell from reading this article so it might do good from a "writing for audience" perspective to clarify that. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.23.20.81 (talk) 18:42, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

He's a music producer. Yes, he makes the music he plays. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.0.72.152 (talk) 03:26, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

Not only that but he also has quite a low opinion of people who play other people's songs and call themselves "DJ's". Barts1a / What did I actually do right? / What did I do wrong this time? 04:01, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

Censor his interview?

I don't know that policies Wikipedia has about language in articles, should his quote be censored? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ctyonahl (talk) 23:01, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

WP:NOTCENSORED Barts1a / What did I actually do right? / What did I do wrong this time? 00:11, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. --Ctyonahl (talk) 00:52, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

Health?

Joel has been going through some serious mental health issues as of late, leading him to consult therapists, etc. . Also he has been going for MRI scans. Maybe someone with more information could explain? (see his tumblr http://deadmau5.tumblr.com/post/18293780676/knowing-im-not-insane-by-saying-im-not) and facebook (https://www.facebook.com/deadmau5/posts/10150586457191806) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.57.117.147 (talk) 05:29, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

From what I've seen on his facebook page, he's also gotten back together with Lindsay. 98.117.207.102 (talk) 18:45, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

From what I've read it sounds more like he is having fatigue problems leading to stress / despression / anxiety or similar... I would hold off on labelling him as having "mental health issues" just yet. Troll-Life (talk) 21:12, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 6 March 2012

Family mau5trap page on facebook... http://www.facebook.com/groups/357107234324194/

Kenudiggit (talk) 07:11, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

 Not done: Please read the policy on external links. Thanks, Celestra (talk) 07:19, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

Parodies

The "parody" section (under "Controversies") should be deleted as it's only supported by primary sources, not reliable secondary sources showing it's relevant. Being parodied does also not in any way constitute a controversy in any shape or form.　126.25.72.110 (talk) 06:08, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

MineCon

It might be worth noting that deadmau5's song "Professional Griefers" was played at MineCon during the official Minecraft release, and he also played at the afterparty. --Abcorn 21:56, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

"Circa 1998-2004" and "A Little Oblique"

• It was actually circa 1998-2002
• These were uploads on sectionz.com alongside Project 56 and weren't official studio albums. Should we note them under "Other Albums" instead of where they are now? --142.166.194.32 (talk) 21:19, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

Dubstep

I guess whoever keeps adding dubstep under genres is thinking of Raise Your Weapon from 4x4=12 album. IMO one track with a dubstep beat doesn't warrant inclusion in the infobox. - filelakeshoe 09:59, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

Deadmau5 "DJ"

It lists deadmau5 as being a DJ, while, a little farther below, he says he is not one. I was just wondering if this really should be listed.

Fludd12 (talk) 23:40, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

You mean in Category:Canadian DJs? I think this is fine, he's done an essential mix for Pete Tong's show, he obviously does DJ as well as all his live performance wizardry. I wouldn't put it in the lede though, prefering jsut "musician". - filelakeshoe 06:27, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 19 July 2012: add to live performance section

deadmau5 entertained live at Austin Texas's largest music festival, Austin City Limits, on September 17, 2010. Hickorettedrifwood (talk) 03:28, 19 July 2012 (UTC)Hickorettedrifwood

 Not done. Once you are confirmed you should be able to edit it yourself.--Canoe1967 (talk) 06:22, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

Disney lawsuit?

Can anyone verify the authenticity of this story, or for that matter, any Disney lawsuit? It seems strange that Disney isn't going to sue a guy performing in Mickey Mouse helmet. 142.150.48.219 (talk) 19:29, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

That story looks like pure speculation and there really doesn't seem to be anything other out there - if there was a lawsuit last year there would certainly be some progression in high profile news sources by now. - filelakeshoe 09:22, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

Please edit the paragraph regarding DirtyCircuit in this article

These words -"The case caused a slight discomfort among the users of FL Studio,[34] and some have pointed out potential inconsistencies in the EULA of the software.[32]"- should be removed.

This line seems to be implying that there was a significant number of users that were discomfited by Deadmau5's behavior and that they felt the EULA was inconsistent. Having been there at the time and been privy to the discussion it was not that way at all. The vast majority of those who replied were vehemently against DirtyCircuit's actions and indicated their disapproval very strongly. The few who even mentioned the EULA not being explicit (note not inconsistent, but explicit enough) did so as a recommendation as a precaution, so that someone like DirtyCircuit could not claim ignorance of a sample's status. The entire thing was just a huge flame war with no one at all from the Deadmau5 camp participating to indicate what actually was happening. Legally threatening letters are sent from copyright holders all the time without it being a controversy. This time, however, all we had to go on were DirtyCircuit's assertions. Without any input from Deadmau5 or his lawyers or any reputable objective source to provide information, realistically the entire paragraph's inclusion might be considered an ethical "gray area." Regardless, the last line is certainly misleading. Omac12 (talk) 01:39, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

I think you should edit the paragraph yourself. In other words... BE BOLD!!! Just remember to use references and/or citations when necessary. Lighthead...KILLS!! 07:03, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

Edit request: Adding games

Being a big deadmau5 fan that plays a lot of video games I noticed that a couple of games that feature his music are missing. This is "Saints Row the Third" where his song "A city in florida" was featured (see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saints_Row:_The_Third_soundtrack#97.6_K12_FM). He also ether provided the sound bits for "Sound Shapes" or actually made 4 songs for the game. (It's kind of unclear on what he did, it says mixed by deadmau5 in the game, but on the internet I found articles claiming he only provited the sound bits (see: http://www.joystiq.com/2012/04/16/deadmau5-and-pixeljam-make-beautiful-sound-shapes-together/).

And optional to add, deadmau5 got into an argument on twitter with Jersey Shore's "Pauly D", Pauly D asked his twitter followers what they thought of his new video clip, and deadmau5 responded to that, saying he thought it was crap (not the actual words he used). for more info see: http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1685496/pauly-d-deadmau5-twitter-battle.jhtml

Hope it helps improving the page:)

(date: 24-sept-2012) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Donkey-er (talk • contribs) 15:31, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 28 November 2012 Addition to video game section

Add to video game section Saints Row: The Third . Song A City in Florida from album 4 x 4 = 12 was credited. thank you

ChucklesNuts (talk) 04:16, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 13:36, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

Meowingtons?

There is nothing about deadmau5's cat Meowingtons here. He is very well known among deadmau5's fans — Preceding unsigned comment added by Krizor (talk • contribs) 22:19, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

Kat Von D

She and Joel were engaged today via twitter which is a significant detail in his life. https://twitter.com/deadmau5/status/280155756370726912 is the source Grey eyed athena (talk) 04:51, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

years active

Years active: 1998-present., not 2005-present - if he recorded songs in 1998 then that means he started at about that time, make sense? I realize that he didn't release a compilation untill 2005 but he still was active in 1998 in which he was recording songs, so obviously the "2005-present" needs to be changed to "1998-present" right now. 199.101.61.190 (talk) 03:39, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

He released his first studio album in 2005, so that would be considered when his career officially began. --Sumguy1994 (talk) 05:48, 29 December 2012 (UTC)

I get your reasoning, but my friend Annie Munson who does the same genre started recording in 1989 but didn't make an album untill 1995, yet she says that her coreer started in 1989. i thought it'd be the same with deadmau5, but i do understand your reasoning. i can't find anything in the article other than the name of an album that acknowledges that he was active in 1998 at all. 199.101.61.190 (talk) 15:03, 29 December 2012 (UTC)

Vexillology and other singles

This article skips straight from talking about Get Scraped to Random Album Title, and doesn't mention "Vexillology" (except briefly) and "A Little Oblique" and the singles released by Play Records around then such as "Tau V1/V2" and "Stereo Fidelity". — Preceding unsigned comment added by Superion maximus (talk • contribs) 21:35, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

Kanye West???

What is this non-sourced, BLP violating madness?!?! How did it get past the 118 page watchers???? I can't seem to find the edit in the page's edit history. I am deleting the section. If I'm totally missing something and it was supposed to be here, I apologize. Charles35 (talk) 04:00, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was moved. --BDD (talk) 22:43, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

Deadmau5 → Deadmaus – To be moved as per MOS:TM, "Follow standard English text formatting and capitalization rules, even if the trademark owner considers nonstandard formatting "official," as long as this is a style already in use, rather than inventing a new one"; "Avoid using special characters that are not pronounced, are included purely for decoration." Wetdogmeat (talk) 19:37, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

See here and here for instance. The style closest to standard English formatting is Deadmaus, with the capital D. Wetdogmeat (talk) 19:54, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

• Support, including capital, per the evidence cited by Wetdogmeat. Dicklyon (talk) 19:56, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
• Hesitate, I'm not sure this passes "as long as this is a style already in use, rather than inventing a new one" since Billboard and Spin and books have "Deadmau5" (which I would have pronounced Ded-mow-five). In ictu oculi (talk) 02:01, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

See links above. It's not hard to find sources that render his name Deadmaus. And it's definitely pronounced "dead mouse", so the 5 in place of the s is an unprounounced character. So it should be Deadmaus, as per Naming conventions ("Do not replicate stylized typography in logos and album art, though a redirect may be appropriate (for example, KoЯn redirects to Korn)") and MOS:TM ("Avoid using special characters that are not pronounced [or] are included purely for decoration", "avoid Se7en; instead use Seven"). In addition to the above links, see here, here, here, here, here, here, etc. Wetdogmeat (talk) 02:34, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

• Support MOS:TM Se7en -- 65.94.76.126 (talk) 05:35, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
• Oppose. I'm not convinced this helps the encyclopedia at all, seeing as most people know him by the current title (such that many do pronounce his name "dead-mow-five"). And there is a massive difference between "KoЯn" and "deadmau5" - the latter is used by many sources, in standard prose, including books, while the former is not. I'm also not convinced "5" is a "special character". I notice we have no problem with Motörhead or !!! (band), so I would support applying this guideline in cases of silly witch house / trap acts with names like B▲L▲M▲C▲B, but not with deadmau5. - filelakeshoe (t / c) 08:55, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

I easily found eight sources, linked above, that use Deadmaus. The 5 is a special character because it's essentially a backwards S; it's pronounced as an S. Wetdogmeat (talk) 14:19, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

• Support, this is clearly in accordance with MOSTM. -- Ohc ^¡digame!_{¿que pasa?} 09:50, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
• Weak Oppose. Like filelakeshoe pointed out, if we want to avoid replicating stylized typography then we should probably start with the likes of F♯ A♯ ∞. Swapping a "se" for a "5" is pretty tame by comparison so singling out this article feels like a double-standard.--Xiaphias (talk) 13:02, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

Is this the WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS argument used to resist fixing a problem? Just because there are other problems doesn't mean we have to discover and fix those first. Dicklyon (talk) 14:08, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

None of the characters in F♯ A♯ ∞ are unpronounced, it just uses musical and mathematical notation: "F-sharp A-sharp Infinity". The 5 in deadmau5 is unpronounced, it's a stylized backwards S, which means that the canonical examples of KoЯn and Se7en both apply. Wetdogmeat (talk) 14:19, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

No, it is pronounced, it is pronounced /s/, and it is not backwards. I understand "unpronounced characters purely for decoration" to include e.g. the "O)))" in Sunn O))) but not this. - filelakeshoe (t / c) 15:07, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

Pardon me, you're correct, it's not backwards. But it is not pronounced. 5 is pronounced five, it's not pronounced as a letter S. It's a stylized letter S. Much like the 7 in canonical example Se7en is not pronounced ("se-seven-en"). What is pronounced in deadmau5 is the letter S that the number 5 stands in for in the form of a special character. It's the use of the symbol 5 in place of the symbol S for purely stylistic reasons. And often, as evidenced above, this style is gnored and the name is formatted in standard English as Deadmaus, which is therefore, according to the guidelines, what it should be formatted as on Wiki. Wetdogmeat (talk) 15:18, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

True all characters in the album are pronounceable, but in standard English we would write out the word "infinity" rather than use the mathematical symbol. Using "∞" seems like a stylistic choice to me.--Xiaphias (talk) 20:32, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

It is a stylistic choice, but the MOS doesn't mitigate against stylistic choices in general (for instance the exclusion of spaces in a title, like 65daysofstatic), it mitigates specifically against the inclusion of unpronounced characters for purely decorative purposes. And that's what the 5 in deadmau5 is: an unpronounced trademark decoration. Wetdogmeat (talk) 20:47, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

No, it also says to Avoid using special characters that ... simply substitute for English words (e.g., ♥ used for "love"). That seems roughly analogous here because the "5" isn't unpronounceable per se, it's just written in something tantamount to 1337speak.-Xiaphias (talk) 02:38, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

I don't think you can equate the use of traditional musical and mathematical characters with 1337speak or pictorial characters like ♥. I don't think ∞ qualifies as a special character any more than + or % or any other mathematical symbol. That's really a debate for the F♯ A♯ ∞ page though, it's not relevant here. Wetdogmeat (talk) 02:55, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

• Support, per canonical Seven/Se7en example. Powers ^T 18:54, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
• Support While this may not be quite as bad as Sunn O))) it is still a stylistic choice because the 5 is being used as a replacement for the letter S. If this was actually pronounced as Dead Mau Five there may have been a case for keep the 5 but since it is not it should not be used as per the prescient set by the film Seven that several other users have pointed out.--174.95.111.89 (talk) 20:56, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

To be clear we don't have a rule against using numbers but a rule againt using them stylistly. Using numbers to replace to replace the written version of that number is acceptable. For example, no one has suggested moving either the company 4Licensing Corporation (better known under their old name 4Kids Entertainment) or the wrestler 2 Cold Scorpio since they are prounced as four and two respectably. That is not the case here since the 5 in the name not pronounced as five.--174.95.111.89 (talk) 21:04, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

I agree. If the name was pronounced "Dead Mau Five", there would be no grounds for moving the article. Wetdogmeat (talk) 21:08, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

• I honestly have no idea While it's true that there are numerous sources that spell it "Deadmaus", the first source that you used spelled his name as "Deadmaus" and "Deadmau5" intermittently, which makes me wonder how we're going to spell his name throughout the article if it does manage to move. The second source had a few (joking) comments on it regarding the spelling "Deadmaus". And think about it--neither of those websites, nor any of the others, are ranked #6 on the Alexa popularity of websites thingy. Add that to Mr. Zimmerman's legion of tech-savvy fans, and the move to "Deadmaus" could pose a problem, especially when Googling "deadmaus" brings up illegitimate accounts, UrbanDictionary entries, and something that looks like Cyrillic. I think that I'm leaning towards opposing this move, but honestly? No idea. Helicopter Llama 22:02, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

I think the fact that the canonical example in the MOS is precisely analogous to this issue ("avoid Se7en; instead use Seven") closes the book on it. As for how to refer to him throughout the article, we could refer to him as Zimmerman, which would solve the issue of potentially having to protect the page from incensed fans, and which I think sounds more encyclopedic anyway. Wetdogmeat (talk) 22:11, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

Pardon me, when I say that it "closes the book on it" I mean in terms of whether this title is in violation of the MOS. Of course there's room for further discussion on whether this subject warrants an exception from the MOS (an exception that is unwarranted by Se7en), but that's what we're debating imo, not its standing in relation to the MOS, to which it is in clear violation. Wetdogmeat (talk) 22:18, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

• Strong oppose What an artist chooses to brand themselves should not be "corrected" by Wikipedia. A very similar example to this is UJ3RK5, which should not be changed to UJERK, which this would set a precedent for (...."the '5' is silent"). No matter what MOS says or how people want to interpret/impose it, it's not appropriate to rebrand an artist's name......yes, cites giving it with 's' can be found, but are they relevant relative to the artist's own brand name? I think not. BTW "7" occurs in some British Columbia aboriginal placename titles, where it is a glottal stop.Skookum1 (talk) 03:13, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

What you're expressing strong opposition to here is the Wikipedia policy, and this isn't the place to do that. The issues with this article must be resolved in accordance with existing policy, and that policy is not the uncritical, unconditional reproduction of vanity stylizations that you are advocating. We choose from styles already in existence and opt for the one that most closely resembles standard English text formatting. In this cae that style is Deadmaus, not deadmau5. Wetdogmeat (talk) 19:34, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

• Oppose. I think the WP:TITLE guidelines would supersede MOS:TM here. A distinction needs to be made between articles like Se7en/Seven, where "Seven" is used almost as much (if not more) than "Se7en", and articles like M*A*S*H and Mötley Crüe, where the special/unnecessary characters are arguably used in the majority of reliable sources. I would suggest deadmau5 falls into the latter category of articles. Have a look at the titles of sources used in our article on his most recent album (Album Title Goes Here#References). We have 36 instances of "deadmau5" (with or without a capital "D"), but only one instance of "Deadmaus", and even that is used as an alternative form: "Deadmau5 (Deadmaus)". It's a similar story with the sources found at Deadmau5#References. In my opinion, the WP:COMMONNAME of the artist is "deadmau5", and this is what should be used. (To phrase it nicely like Wetdogmeat did above, this subject does warrant an exception from the MOS). IgnorantArmies 03:38, 21 May 2013 (UTC) Also, deadmau5 discography, mau5trap, and arguably deadmau5 Circa 1998–2002 could probably also be tacked on to this discussion. IgnorantArmies 03:42, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Eleutherius (talk) 11:02, 21 May 2013 (UTC) strong oppose WP:TITLE supercedes all others here. His name is clearly spelt with the 5. Personally im of the opinion that we would unnecessarily start an edit war over a minor point of editing.

That can be easily avoided by referring to him as Zimmerman throughout the article body. Wetdogmeat (talk) 19:34, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

Perhaps it would avoid an edit war between the likes of two regular editors but im picturing the millions of his fans who as has been pointed out tend to tech-savy that look up his page only to find that it has commmited the ultimate of "newbie" sins by referring to him as deadmaus instead of Deadmau5!!! You seem to have the knowledge of the wp protocols under use here could you perhaps suggest a change that would allow this to stay the same? Eleutherius (talk) 12:06, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

If he's referred to as Zimmerman throughout the article, then his fans are unlikely to have a problem with that. They won't be able to move the page. So on what other basis will there be an edit war? Wetdogmeat (talk) 15:01, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

Also, note that he is already referred to as Zimmerman throughout the article: the article alternates between calling him Zimmerman and deadmau5. Wetdogmeat (talk) 21:47, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

• Support - The title does not need special characters like "5" and besides, it's what Deadmaus wants to brand himself, not his actual name. Epicgenius^{(talk to me • see my contributions)}
• If you don't like it, change WP:TM. Most oppose !votes here seem to belong on that page's talk page, trying to overthrow that title. Se7en, anyone? Strong support. Red Slash 18:46, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
  • Di you mean the WP:MOSTM since Wikipedia:Template messages does not make much sense in this context?--174.95.111.89 (talk) 03:03, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
  • Also, no need to change anything. Guidelines as part of the manual of style all carry the same disclaimer, "Use common sense in applying it; it will have occasional exceptions." I and a few others are arguing that this is not the same as "Se7en" and, since it is clearly the most common form in sources, counts as an exception. - filelakeshoe (t / c) 08:25, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

strong oppose if we are going to change the articles names based on stylistics wp conventions then we'd be better to just name the article Joel Zimmermann instead of calling it deadmaus. Also strong oppose based on the fact that the 5 in his name is an integral part of his name. When se7en was out it was often referred to (and still is ) by the use of seven without the numeral. People spelling deadmau5 by using deadmaus are usually only found on talk pages on wikipedia..

That's not true. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8. Deadmaus is a perfectly recognisable alternative to the trademark deadmau5 that contravenes Wiki policy with its unpronounced decorative character, in exactly the same way as canonical example Se7en. Wetdogmeat (talk) 15:01, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

I would again counter that with M*A*S*H, "Heroes", and pretty much every band using the so-called "metal umlaut". That particular section of MOS:TM doesn't trump the overarching article titles guidelines, particular where "deadmau5" would appear to be (per my above post) the performer's common name. Have a look at WP:TITLETM: "Article titles follow standard English text formatting in the case of trademarks, unless the trademarked spelling is demonstrably the most common usage in sources independent of the owner of the trademark." Can you show that "Deadmaus" is "demonstrably the most common usage"? IgnorantArmies 14:36, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

"Heroes" should definitely be Heroes (David Bowie album), but it's not relevant anyway, per WP:OSE. What is relevant is a directly analogous scenario like Se7en or Tech N9ne (recently moved by consensus to Tech Nine). As for WP:TITLETM, no example is given, so it's ambiguous; it links to "further information" at MOS:TM, which is the guideline we've been citing (so, far from trumping it, it defers to it), and which states "Capitalize trademarks, as with proper names" (so Deadmau5, not deadmau5) and "Avoid using special characters that are not pronounced, are included purely for decoration, or simply substitute for English words (e.g., ♥ used for "love"). In the article about a trademark, it is acceptable to use decorative characters the first time the trademark appears, but thereafter, an alternative that follows the standard rules of punctuation should be used: avoid Se7en; instead use Seven" (so Deadmaus not Deadmau5). So there's a contradiction between WP:TITLETM and MOS:TM, but the former is presented as a brief summary of the latter, which is the guideline in full, including examples, and which states: When deciding how to format a trademark, editors should choose among styles already in use by sources (not invent new ones) and choose the style that most closely resembles standard English, regardless of the preference of the trademark owner. This practice helps ensure consistency in language and avoids drawing undue attention to some subjects rather than others. Listed below are more specific recommendations for frequently occurring nonstandard formats. And one of these specific recommendations is the directly analogous Se7en / Seven example. Wetdogmeat (talk) 15:07, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

Tech N9ne has just been moved to Tech Nine according to the same policies cited for the requested move of deadmau5 to Deadmaus. Wetdogmeat (talk) 21:47, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

• Support. For the above-mentioned reasons. Lientinge (talk) 06:30, 4 June 2013 (UTC).

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

deadmaus? really?

What is this madness? It's deadmau5 not deadmaus. Someone move it back to deadmau5 please. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.167.214.14 (talk) 07:06, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

I have to agree. I imagine that the people who made the change are not all that familiar in real life with Deadmau5. There is somewhat of a stigma when people spell it "deadmaus". They are perceived as being ignorant. I disagree with the interpretation of the rule that was cited in support of the change. MidnightRequestLine (talk) 15:04, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

Agree, I despair over the above discussion. We should take this to the talk page of WP:MOSTM, so that we can get a clarification on whether that guideline really supposed to extend to peoples' IRC handles containing a minor element of leetspeak. - filelakeshoe (t / c) 15:38, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

Agree too. Googling deadmau5 using Google Instant makes deadmau5 come up first, not deadmaus. I think WP:IAR could apply here, especially a quote from this: "Our goal is to improve Wikipedia so that it better informs readers." If that is the case, then change it to the correct title, the one that is most used and educate the people who are stigmatised for spelling it 'deadmaus', which is generally unused. iTunes uses deadmau5, Allmusic uses deadmau5 and so on and so on. Insulam Simia (^talk/_contribs) 16:07, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

Now that I'm looking at the article for Se7en, the analogy seems kind of weak, to be honest. In the article's header, it says that the movie is "sometimes stylized as Se7en" (but not always). However, in this case, I can't find anything that uses "deadmaus", other than a few sources that aren't nearly as notable as iTunes and Allmusic, like what you said. In that case, I can see why the move took place, but now I'm not at all in favor of it. Helicopter Llama 16:30, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

Indeed. The proposer of this move has used rather unknown sources (which use naming not generally used by fans) to justify his opinion and has completely forgotten about WP:COMMONNAME and definitely WP:IAR. I'm going to turn this into a move request back to the original title. Insulam Simia (^talk/_contribs) 18:03, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

The central tenet of WP:COMMONNAME is recognisability, and as I stated above, "Deadmaus is a perfectly recognisable alternative to the trademark deadmau5 that contravenes Wiki policy with its unpronounced decorative character, in exactly the same way as canonical example Se7en." Wetdogmeat (talk) 01:00, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

Deadmaus → Deadmau5 – See above for multiple reasons. Insulam Simia (^talk/_contribs) 18:03, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

• Support. Let's do it ASAP per WP:IAR. Deadmaus is cringeworthy and this is quite frankly embarassing. MidnightRequestLine (talk) 20:14, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
• Support move. If an internal enwiki guideline is incompatible with real-world usage, then it's the guideline that needs to give way. bobrayner (talk) 22:22, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

Oppose This page is now in accordance with existing Wiki policy. If you think the policy is misguided then propose a change to the policy, but you can't propose to move this page against the existing policy. Wetdogmeat (talk) 00:51, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

No, the move back to the right name, Deadmau5, is in accordance with one of wikipedia's central policies - WP:IGNOREALLRULES. The above conversation seems to be suffering from a lack of common sense and a need to be reminded that WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. We don't have to go and change the policy and all the affected pages before fixing this one. Common sense and consensus should allow us to move the page back to Deadmau5. Whether these editors choose to work on the faulty policy in addition to changing the name of this article is another issue.

By the way, Joel Zimmerman is a pretty popular guy. It's not infeasible that you'll find a few sources that use his name improperly. But the vast majority of sources use the name Deadmau5. It's about the ratio. If Deadmau5 was not a very well known person, and you found 2 or 3 sources that said Deadmaus, that would be one thing, but there are literally 1000s of sources that mention the name Deadmau5, and the vast majority use Deadmau5, not Deadmaus. If you were familiar with Deadmau5 in real life, you would surely support changing it back to original name that has been used since the article was created back in 2008, over five years ago. MidnightRequestLine (talk) 01:08, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

WP:IAR does not literally mean that you can or should ignore all rules. You can't simply appeal to WP:IAR when a change is made in accordance with existing policy (MOS:TM, WP:BANDNAME) that you don't like. WP:IAR allows for a loophole around existing policy, but you have to find consensus according to WP:IAR. That means you have to find consensus that allowing this article to be called deadmau5, in contravention of MOS:TM and WP:BANDNAME, improves Wikipedia. In my opinion, Deadmaus is a perfectly recognisable alternative to the trademark deadmau5 that contravenes Wiki policy with its unpronounced decorative character, in exactly the same way as canonical example Se7en. This talk of "notable sources" is meaningless; what we want is reliable sources, and all of the sources I provided meet WP:RS. That more sources use the trademark deadmau5 than Deadmaus is irrelevant; Deadmaus is the style in use that most closely resembles standard English (MOS:TM), and it is perfectly recognisable (WP:COMMONNAME). Whether some 'stigma' exists among this musician's fanbase around the spelling of his stage name could not be more irrelevant. Wetdogmeat (talk) 01:42, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

Lol wetdogmeat. We can use IAR when we have a consensus to use it. Which we seemingly had before you objected. I did not suggest anything other than that. What talk of "notable sources" are you referring to? I just said "sources". You should assume that by default I meant reliable ones, as unreliable ones are irrelevant. As I said earlier, the vast majority of sources (reliable ones!) use Deadmau5, not Deadmaus, which is for total squares. Deadmau5 resembles standard English just fine. It is only used in sources that are mistaken anyway. Seriously, no offense, but Deadmaus is only used by ignorant people and old squares. This feels like a Puritan purge against the use of the number 5 in wikipedia article titles. This isn't the 17th century. People know what Deadmau5 means. Loosen up. MidnightRequestLine (talk) 02:12, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

• Hi all, did you know that move review exists? You should probably post your request for a move review there. Not here. Red Slash 23:24, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
• Support. Odd reasoning for the original move - WP:COMMONSENSE should apply here.Moxy (talk) 23:38, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

WP:MRV does not look very active. There hasn't been a topic there since April and there are zero active topics. I doubt there will be much of a response there, and it seems like a whole lot of trouble for a move that has unanimous support from several editors. MidnightRequestLine (talk) 00:17, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

The move obviously doesn't have unanimous support, since the page was moved from deadmau5 to Deadmaus by consensus. And there are several discussions listed for May at WP:MRV. Wetdogmeat (talk) 00:55, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

He didn't say that he didn't support the name "Deadmau5" in his edit summary. He just said that he is of the opinion that WP:IAR is not a sufficient reason to overturn the move. MidnightRequestLine (talk) 01:11, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

I am concerned that this wrong interpretation of policy and subsequent moves may have happened many times. How many articles has this happened to? Very concerning to see interpretation of policy overcoming common sense. Do we have a list of moves like this - I am hoping this is just related to music articles and has not speared to scientific and history articles. Moxy (talk) 01:19, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

• Oppose. This is not about sources; it's a style question. It doesn't matter the ratio of sources that use one spelling over another. Our style guide says we don't use replacement characters ("5") instead of the letter they replace. ("Seven", not "Se7en", for instance.) That's our style standard. Powers ^T 01:22, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

I have to say in my seven years here have never seen anyone argue to implement a wrong spelling. So to be clear your saying we should ignore the reliable sources (how we build the encyclopedia) to pick a grammatically correct made up name? We are not here to make up names ... but to simply regurgitate what reliable sources say. Time for people to read over Wikipedia:The rules are principles - thinking a grammar policy can override one of the core content policies like Wikipedia:Verifiability is just crazy. I see why old time content editors are getting more and more frustrated here. It was stable for how long....oh long before any policy I see.Moxy (talk) 01:47, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

The original RM was sourced. And this is not about grammar, it's about vanity stylisations. Wetdogmeat (talk) 01:51, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

Also, just to be very clear, this isn't even about spelling, properly speaking. His name is not spelled with a 5. The numeral 5 is pronounced "five" and spelled five. The concept of spelling applies to letters, not numbers (you don't say, for instance, that the number 2013 is spelled 2-0-1-3). If you replace the numeral in his name with the spelling, you get deadmaufive, which can no longer be pronounced "dead mouse". Therefore, the numeral is nothing more than a stylised letter s. Wetdogmeat (talk) 02:04, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

• rename' Either to Deadmau5, which would be correct, or else to Dead mouse, because if we're going to shove our collective heads up our arse, then let's shove them right the way up there. Deadmaus is yet another wiki-invented nonsense. Andy Dingley (talk) 02:12, 7 June 2013 (UTC)