User talk:Coretheapple

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"hope that it continues until or unless the WMF decides to bad paid editing" [1]

-you mean "ban", right? 88.104.29.107 (talk) 19:34, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

Yes, thanks. More errors like that and I get keel-hauled by the League of Copy Editors. Coretheapple (talk) 23:07, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

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DYK nomination of Joan McCracken

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Joan McCracken

Hey, thanks for your help with the DYK nom and especially for the cleanup in the article itself. I agree about deletion of the image for now, though I do think the deletion nomination was mistaken and I've taken up the issue on Commons. I enjoyed doing this, and in working on this article I found that this entire subject matter is really neglected by Wikipedia, so I hope to contribute in the area. Coretheapple (talk) 18:28, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

Glad to be of help. I'm no expert on screenshots from film trailers, so I can't help there - would if I could. After the DYK is finished, if you still need an image for the article, it might be worth looking at posters instead? Due to the dates of Miss McCracken's films, my guess is that her film posters would count as non-free here, but possibly you could still get a fair use template for a poster file page for this subject. If you haven't already done so, look at Wikipedia:Non-free content. You would need to write a rationale, to give full copyright details and authorship of the poster, and use this template: {{Non-free poster|image has rationale=yes}}. But I repeat I'm not an expert, and it would be worth getting a second opinion as there have been recent changes. Of course you'll already know that fair-use images can't be used in DYK articles, so it would have to wait, anyway. I agree with you that it's a worthwhile article, with or without an image. We're all doing a public service here - something to be proud of. Good luck. --Storye book (talk) 20:33, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

Thanks! Very good idea. I've posted a query at the film project, and I notice that images of deceased persons is an acceptable category (or something), but posters is an area I hadn't thought of. Coretheapple (talk) 21:05, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

That DYK sure got posted on the Main Page fast! You folks sure know how to encourage a guy. Coretheapple (talk) 12:28, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

Congratulations! And having a popular-culture subject it should get a good number of hits for the DYK. I'm guessing that one reason for your article getting to DYK so fast is that we don't have enough regular DYK reviewers, so anything with a green tick is going to be taken up by admin fairly quickly. Maybe we reviewers should make more effort when we don't have DYKs of our own in the queue. I'm ashamed to say I'm no more heroic than anyone else in that respect. Researching new articles is too interesting!--Storye book (talk) 13:09, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Joan McCracken

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Slight question on there, but very minor. Other than that seems fine. Message me when you've looked and I can approve it if someone else hasn't already. --S.G.^(GH) _ping! 20:42, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

Thanks! I've responded. Coretheapple (talk) 20:50, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

Feedback needed on using special characters

Hello. Thank you for using VisualEditor! Having editors use it is the best way for the Wikimedia Foundation to develop it into the best tool it can be.

While we always welcome general feedback (please report any issues in Bugzilla in the "VisualEditor" product or drop your feedback on the central feedback page on MediaWiki.org), the developers are especially interested right now in feedback on the special character inserter. This new tool is used for inserting special characters (including symbols like ₥, IPA pronunciation symbols, mathematics symbols, and characters with diacritics). It is intended to help people whose computers do not have good character inserters. For example, many Mac users prefer to use the extensive "Special Characters..." tool present at the bottom of the Edit menu in all applications or to learn the keyboard shortcuts for characters like ñ and ü.

The current version of the special characters tool in VisualEditor is very simple and very basic. It will be getting a lot of work in the coming weeks and months. It does not contain very many character sets at this time. (The specific character sets can be customized at each Wikipedia, so that each project could have a local version with the characters it wants.) But the developers want your ideas at this early stage about ways that the overall concept could be improved. I would appreciate your input on this question, so please try out the character inserter and tell me what changes to the design would (or would not!) best work for you.

The "insert" pulldown on the task bar of VisualEditor will lead you to the '⧼visualeditor-specialcharacterinspector-title⧽' tool.

This is the ⧼visualeditor-specialcharacterinspector-title⧽ inserter as it appears on many wikis. (Some may have customized it.) Your feedback on this tool is particularly important.

Issues you might consider:

• How often do you normally use Wikipedia's character inserters?
• Which character sets are useful to you? Should it include all 18 of the character sets provided in the wikitext editor's newer toolbar at the English Wikipedia, the 10 present in the older editor toolbar, or some other combination of character sets?
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The developers are open to any thoughts on how the special character inserter can best be developed, even if this requires significant changes. Please leave your views on the central feedback page, or, if you'd prefer, you can contact me directly on my talk page. It would be really helpful if you can tell me how frequently you need to use special characters in your typical editing and what languages or other special characters are important to you.

Thank you again for your work with VisualEditor and for any feedback you can provide. I really do appreciate it.

P.S. You might be interested in the current ideas about improving citations, too. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 00:20, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Joan McCracken

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FYI, this will take me a few days, so no need to check in until you are notified that the review is finished. Viriditas (talk) 08:55, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

Sure. Thanks for taking this up so fast. It's my first GA review and nom, so I'll be interested to see how the process works. Coretheapple (talk) 15:50, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Michael Kidd

Thanks for your contribution Victuallers (talk) 16:03, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

Smalltalk

Hi Core. I'm just making small-talk as it's not an issue of importance to anything really, but I wouldn't label Mr. Gregory Kohs as a "paid editor". He said himself he doesn't make any real money doing it. Rather I would say that he is a POV pusher, who accepts paid jobs (I would posture) mostly out of spite for Jimmy Wales, who embarrassed him in the media many years ago and created this vendetta-type relationship. My two-cents.

Anyways, I am working on a more comprehensive user profile now, which you are welcome to provide feedback on. It is a work in progress. My suggestion to you that I hope you will take to heart is that it is a common mistake for editors to respond to each editor that disagrees with them, such as user:Guy Macon, which leads to the kinds of combative bickering I noticed you find yourself in often. This has the effect of preventing thoughtful discussion, because editors are unwilling to read through the wall of text from only 2 editors.

If you want to influence the community to take a stronger stance on COI, which I think you do, I would take a look at user:Jeremy112233's comment as a model. A single, cogent, well-spoken and compelling argument/position that was powerful enough to make several other editors including myself accept his premise. Now if he started jumping on every comment thereafter, it would have actually had a negative impact on his influence in the discussion. It comes off as aggressive and puts other editors in the natural position of taking an opposing viewpoint in response. This is actually a big part of why advocacy is not even an effective strategy on behalf of PR reps, because it puts editors in the position of taking the opposing viewpoint. And the stronger the anti-COI clique and the pro-COI clique advocate against each other, the more entrenched the opposition becomes on both sides and the more any progress breaks down.

That's an over-the-top analysis of a single short discussion, but it's a small representative sample of the type of thing I'm talking about. I suspect it may be offensive to you for a sometimes "paid editor" to provide advice, but I think if nobody has brought this up yet, somebody has to. Of course you are free to ignore it as well ;-)

Best regards. CorporateM (Talk) 19:47, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

Well I can't really talk about the Kohs situation as then I would have to refer to conversations I've had with IPs, and that brings us into the realm of "outing" that is frowned upon. I have a suspicion that he engages in paid editing through other editors and perhaps through socks. I am glad that you have added disclosure to your user page, as I think it will help a lot. By the way, when I referred to "advertising" I was really talking about another user, not you. But I am glad that you have taken a giant step toward disclosure, I think that it actually helps things from your perspective in every way. I know of no one in the paid editing business who does that so you really should be commended for doing that. Coretheapple (talk) 20:13, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

On your second points I welcome any advice you may have to give. After all, you are paid to be here, a pro, while I am not! So by definition you manage your presence with greater care than one without a financial stake in the outcome. Coretheapple (talk) 20:18, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

And I too should commend you for thoughtfully considering my input! CorporateM (Talk) 21:37, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

Good, thanks. And as I said on the other page, if you get unfairly razzed or hassled by making this disclosure, you should let me and other editors know. So far as I know, you are the only paid editor, apart from those employed directly by companies, who have this kind of disclosure and I think it should be encouraged. Coretheapple (talk) 22:07, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Editor's Barnstar
	Your common sense approach is refreshing. Keep up the good work!!! Atsme (talk) 23:15, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

Why thank you! I don't know what I've done to warrant that, but it's appreciated just the same. Coretheapple (talk) 00:42, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

Bravo!!! Indeed it is... petrarchan47tc 08:58, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

Thanks! Though this chap has a particular concern and I'm not sure I can help. Coretheapple (talk) 16:37, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

Questions

To begin, thank you for responding to my question on the Administrator's Notice Board re: Islamophobia. I would very much appreciate your input regarding an edit I made on the Anjem Choudary bio in an effort to make it a more precise and accurate portrayal of the man, and what he represents. As expected, my edits were reverted overnight with comments from two different editors - one of whom responded to my question regarding the obvious bias in the very negative portrayal of Stop Islamization of America (SIOA) and Pam Geller noting she is Jewish VS the very positive portrayal of the Investigative Project on Terrorism, and Steven Emerson whose religious affiliation is not disclosed. That particular editor's response ended with the following comment:
"My impression is that both of those should be treated similarly to Pamela Geller and Stop Islamization of America such that all of these articles accurately describe the hate-filled vitriol directed at Islamic people."
I draw your attention to the words "...such that all of these articles accurately describe the hate-filled vitriol...". Wow - "ALL of these articles"?? I'd say that pretty well sums it up the bias, doesn't it? There is no distinction between extremist, or neutral in his response rather it appears to be a condemnation of anything considered to be anti-Islam. I won't deny there are instances when innocent people get lump-summed with the guilty, but that isn't always the case. There really are Islamic extremists who follow the Qu'ran and the Hadith literally. With regards to the other editor who reverted my edits on Choudary's bio, his only comment was that my edits did nothing to improve it. When you get a chance, will you please look at it? Also - is there a way to send you a private message, or is that feature disabled?

Before you respond to my questions, would you be so kind as to watch the following interview with Choudary? Thanks in advance….Ms Atsme (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 02:08, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

I shall certainly try to examine that but you know, it is not my area of expertise. Coretheapple (talk) 05:07, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

I've commented on the talk page, and as you can see I've commenced an RfC. It seems to me that you guys are involved in one of those heated battles involving a global issue that can only be resolved, at least here, by greater community input. Coretheapple (talk) 23:55, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, Coretheapple. I have long since learned through personal experience, and by neutral observation that edit warring, vandalism, and personal attacks neither help the community, nor improve the readers' experience. I hope your call for input will help resolve the issue. Enjoy the weekend. Atsme (talk) 02:32, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

Congratulations!

		The Bronze STiki Barnstar of Merit
		Congratulations, Coretheapple! You're receiving this barnstar of merit because you recently crossed the 5,000 classification threshold using STiki. We thank you both for your contributions to Wikipedia at-large and your use of the tool. We hope you continue your ascent up the leaderboard and stay in touch at the talk page. Thank you and keep up the good work! West.andrew.g (developer) and Ugog Nizdast (talk) 06:50, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

Thanks! I didn't even know there was a leaderboard. Coretheapple (talk) 16:37, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

Hi Coretheapple

Hello. I just want to know if it is legal or not. I see a lot of info, controversy, news, letters, but the things are not clear.

• Terms of Use ban paid edition?
  • If not,
  • then why WikiExperts and Wiki-PR outsource the edits?
  • Why the another companies not?
  • Why Wikimedia Foundation dont ban?
• If in a future Terms of Use include ban paid edition explicitly, then its illegal, and WMF can sue the paid editors?
• All paid edition are covert advertising, and therefore, is forbidden in Europe, among Directive 2005/29/EC?
• Are a future COI policy, or the actual guideline irrelevant because paid editing editors can argue WP:IAR?

I am thinking of opening a RfC. Any advice is welcome. Thanks.--JackT7 (talk) 09:47, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

Please see

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Terms_of_use/Paid_contributions_amendment

Smallbones_(smalltalk) 15:43, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

Interesting. Is this new? First I'm hearing it. JackT7, if you're interesting in curbing paid editing I'd encourage you to continue making constructive contributions on the subject. I don't think that an RfC would be fruitful or helpful and I recommend against it. Coretheapple (talk) 16:29, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

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Auto revert

Core - Is it possible for someone to have an "auto revert" set up on page to prevent other editors from changing an article? Also, when you're in View History on a user page, and you just want to see what changes have been made, does clicking curr or diff actually revert the curr edit to the previous edit? There are some strange things going on at Choudary, and it could be I'm doing something that's triggering it, and don't know, but it looks like I'm edit warring cause I saw where someone put a red vandalism notice on it when in fact, a little while ago was the first time I went to the View History page. Would you take a look at it, and see if you can figure out what's going on? Choudary's View History Atsme (talk) 06:17, 24 February 2014 (UTC)