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Requested moves

• 21 Jun 2024 – Press Your Luck scandal (talk · edit · hist) is requested to be moved to Press Your Luck episode, May 19, 1984 by Jax 0677 (t · c); see discussion
• 21 Jun 2024 – Alcaeus of Mytilene (talk · edit · hist) is requested to be moved to Alcaeus by Aza24 (t · c); see discussion
• 21 Jun 2024 – Eddie Clarke (musician) (talk · edit · hist) is requested to be moved to "Fast" Eddie Clarke by Quiz shows (t · c); see discussion
• 21 Jun 2024 – Nathan Metenier (talk · edit · hist) is requested to be moved to Nathan Méténier by GnocchiFan (t · c); see discussion
• 21 Jun 2024 – Laura Blindkilde (talk · edit · hist) is requested to be moved to Laura Blindkilde Brown by Iggy the Swan (t · c); see discussion
• 21 Jun 2024 – Robert John "Mutt" Lange (talk · edit · hist) is requested to be moved to Mutt Lange by 162 etc. (t · c); see discussion
• 20 Jun 2024 – Louis Mountbatten, 1st Earl Mountbatten of Burma (talk · edit · hist) is requested to be moved to Louis Mountbatten by Bastun (t · c); see discussion
• 20 Jun 2024 – Sand Pebbles (talk · edit · hist) is requested to be moved to Sand Pebbles (rock band) by Roman Spinner (t · c); see discussion
• 20 Jun 2024 – The Sandpebbles (talk · edit · hist) is requested to be moved to The Sandpebbles (R&B group) by Roman Spinner (t · c); see discussion
• 20 Jun 2024 – Farhang Khosro Panah (talk · edit · hist) is requested to be moved to Farhang Khosropanah by Sports2021 (t · c); see discussion

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Proposed deletion of Felix Rossignol

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Brandon Adams Article

While I am not the original writer of the Brandon Adams article, I would like to make one suggestion. I think it is only befitting that there be mention of the murder of Merlin Santana included in the article as Brandon Adams was the driver of the car that Merlin was in the night he was murdered. Whoever wrote the Merlin Santana article mentioned this information but they listed Brandon as Brandon Q. Adams. There is a hyperlink over Brandon Q. Adams' name in the Merlin Santana article which reverts you to the Brandon Adams article, but there is no mention of the shooting/murder of Merlin there. The suspects were not only charged with murdering Merlin but also in the attempted murder of Brandon, and I just feel that that needs to be mentioned on his article.

Age is impossible

How can he be a member of Royal Serbian army and fight in world war one (1914-1918) when he was born in 1941 ? Its wrong information, please check the facts, this is ridiculous !

Request for comment about Greta Thunberg

If you are interested there is a request for comment about Talk:Greta Thunberg#Picture change. AnomalousAtom (talk) 10:46, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

Draft Shamsher Singh (Journalist)

Hello! I want to get a feedback on the article and some suggestions to improve it. If you think that no improvements are required then please help me by Approving the article. It has all references and is properly linked to other Wiki pages. SinghPurnima72 (talk) 15:04, 26 June 2020 (UTC)

Kindly remove Tarbuj of Maharashtra from Devendra Fadnavis's Wikipedia

Someone added Tarbuj of Maharashtra in Devendra Fadnavis's wikipedia page Someone added without reference, Kindly remove as soon as possible.

Idea: Create Category:Cause of death disputed

This has been brought up in my home wiki and I can't decide it's a good idea or not but I can't find a category here (or any discussion of deletion of such category). Do you think it's a good idea? Should I be bold and start it as a subcategory of Category:Deaths_by_cause? Ladsgroup^overleg 12:44, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

What would you envisage the scope of this being, and what would you consider the use case? Such a category would need to be very strictly defined or we'd end up tagging half the biographies on the project every time some crank posts an "Elvis faked his death" or "Georve VI was killed by the Lizard People" conspiracy theory on Twitter. (Just "Coronavirus is a hoax" alone would draw a significant number of biographies, and don't get me started on the holocaust deniers.) We should probably be looking at it from the other angle, of "what purpose does Category:Deaths by cause serve and should it exist at all?". Taking three of the categories there completely at random—Deaths by falling out of airplane, People who died in ATV incidents and Deaths from pulmonary hemorrhage, plus the top-level Accidental deaths, all of the sub-categories get so little traffic as to statistically be zero, and even Accidental deaths—a relatively 'juicy' topic with which one might think readers might be interested—averages all of seven clicks per day. To put that in perspective, I've been virtually inactive this year but nonetheless my talkpage averages 36 times the pageviews of Category:Accidental deaths, while even the top-level Category:Deaths by cause consistently gets less interest than Cats That Look Like Hitler[1]. BrownHairedGirl is usually the best placed person to advise on which categories are and aren't worth creating. ‑ Iridescent 16:59, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the ping, Iridescent. I agree with most of your scepticism here.

Cause of death is rarely a WP:DEFINING characteristic. Most people die of natural causes (heart attack, stroke, cancer) some time after they have stopped doing whatever made them WP:Notable.

Other causes of death are rarely WP:DEFINING unless the death ends an active career (John Smith, Shane McEntee) , or the cause of death is itself newsworthy (e.g. Steve Fossett, John Denver).

There is some significance where the death is occupation-related, such as soldiers killed on active service, or major event-related (the Holocaust, tsunamis, etc) .... but that's a small proportion of biographies.

I could see a case for Category:Cause of death disputed for those biogs where such a dispute is actually WP:DEFINING (e.g. Jeffrey Epstein). But the problem is that the category would fill up not just with the conspiracy theorist examples which Iridiscent cites, but with an even greater number of articles where there wasn't a definitive autopsy, but the uncertainty is not a notable issue.

We do have Category:Unsolved deaths, which may cover some of this territory. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 23:17, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

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Hans Gross, "Criminal Investigations, a Practical Textbook" and the Inspector Ghote books by HRF Keating

The fictional detective Inspector Ganesh Ghote frequently refers to "Criminal Investigations, a Practical Textbook" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inspector_Ghote HRF Keating https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H._R._F._Keating 2.30.142.170 (talk) 07:59, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

John Alexander Carroll

I am pretty sure, Dr. Carroll served on the USS Nevada at Pearl Harbor, not the California. He ran away from his family's ranch in Wyoming when he was 16 and joined the Navy in San Diego. According to Dr. Carroll he told the recruiter he wanted to get as far away from Wyoming as possible, and was assigned to the Pacific fleet aboard the USS Nevada.

During the attack at Pearl Harbor he received an eye wound which he underwent a number of surgeries throughout the remainder of his life. He vividly talked about watching the Arizona blow up in front of him - that's when he was wounded. After the war, he served on Truman's Presidential Yacht in DC, where he began his undergraduate studies at Georgetown. He received his BA, MA and Phd from Georgetown.

While a professor at UCLA, he acted as a double for Clark Gable in the movie Across the Wide Missouri. Anytime you saw Gable from a distance on a horse, that was actually Dr. Carroll who learned to ride in Wyoming.

He also spent time at Troy University in Alabama. Would teach his classes without the use of a text book, as an outline for him or for his students to read. Revered by most of his students, he wore silk suits, a wide-brimmed hat and spats almost every day and spoke about historical events as if he was there. 2600:1702:1FC0:54B0:B5D8:BBB8:AAED:178B (talk) 01:46, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

RfC on tagging BLP with template messages signaling COI and OWN

There is an RfC on the following link: Talk:Boris_Malagurski#RfC_on_Template_messages_and_Article_sections. It concerns dispute over tagging the BLP article with template messages which point to the possible COI and OWN issues that plagues the article for more than a ten years.--౪ Santa ౪^99° 01:40, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

CAT:NN

CAT:NN has a crazy backlog, including over 13,000 biographies some of which have been waiting almost 12 years: [2] Can you please help? Thanks, Boleyn (talk) 15:12, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

RfC on Zak Smith

There is a current RFC on Zak Smith that the project may be interested in weighing in. [3] Chetsford (talk) 15:22, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

Jean-Michel Jarre GAR

I am doing a GAR on article about of the greatest and most essential electronic musicians of all-time: Jean-Michel Jarre. Participate in this link here: Wikipedia:Good article reassessment/Jean-Michel Jarre/1. ias:postb□x 13:03, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

Jonguxolo Sandile

I've done a little bit, but I am was wondering if there are any other language articles to link up with. Thought I post here to get peeps to help build the article. Cheers. Govvy (talk) 19:59, 12 July 2020 (UTC)

John E. Kelly III

Resolved

Hello! On behalf of IBM and as part of my work at Beutler Ink, I have drafted a Wikipedia article for John E. Kelly III (Wikidata entry), the "father" of Watson (computer) who has also received multiple notable awards, including the IEEE Frederik Philips Award and IEEE Robert N. Noyce Medal. Mr. Kelly's career is well-documented, and I've worked to draft a neutral article using only reputable sourcing. IBM has reviewed the accuracy of the text, and I should also note, there are red links requesting creation of this page at List of Dublin City University people and List of Union College alumni, among other pages where he is mentioned. Before I submit to AfC, I wanted to see if any editors here might be interested to review this entry and potentially move into main space?

Thanks in advance! Inkian Jason (talk) 16:01, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

This request has been answered, so I've marked this section as resolved. Thanks! Inkian Jason (talk) 17:37, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

J. W. Dunne

There is a disagreement at J. W. Dunne over the semantics of describing his father, who was born in Ireland of Irish stock but served as a General in the British Army. Any contributions to the discussion at Talk:J. W. Dunne#Nationality of father would be appreciated. — Cheers, Steelpillow (Talk) 18:15, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

Berkay Çatak

I am really not sure what to make of this article, I see nothing remarkable that makes me think it should be on wikipedia. Govvy (talk) 10:24, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

Multiple careers and publications

Carl Sargent had two distinct careers, dealt with in separate sections. Each career produced several publications. To me, it makes sense to include the publications relating to each career as subsections within each career section, along the lines of:

Career1

Career1 publications

Career2

Career2 publications

However the article has a separate main section for publications, with subsections for each career. Thus, each career is effectively scattered across biographical topics, like this:

Career1

Career2

Publications

Career1 publications

Career2 publications

Is there any good reason not to rearrange the article (and others with the same issue) as I first suggest? — Cheers, Steelpillow (Talk) 14:36, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

How to record nationality on Wikidata?

I invite your feedback on a property proposal for nationality as a cultural identity over on Wikidata. The proposed property is meant to offer an alternative to "ethnic group" and to nationality as defined by citizenship. Your comments are welcome. Thank you. Qono (talk) 04:52, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

Rating review requested

An editor has proposed that the current C-class rating of Husayn ibn Ali should be upgraded. Bio-article ratings aren't my area, so I'm just passing along this request for help from others. DMacks (talk) 09:59, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

Does it really matter? There are only a few ratings that matter: "stub", because it categorizes the article as needing attention; any non-stub quality rating, because it removes the article from categories that imply it needs attention; "GA", because it requires a formal review; and "FA", because it's our highest quality standard and has many rules surrounding it. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 06:28, 26 July 2020 (UTC)

Don't get me started on how I feel about that general aspect of WP ratings, or the talkpage system of listing them. DMacks (talk) 07:42, 26 July 2020 (UTC)

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Nomination for deletion of Template:WikiProject Musicians

Template:WikiProject Musicians has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 07:34, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

Chris Gragg FAR

I have nominated Chris Gragg for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Tonystewart14 (talk) 03:27, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

Discussion

I have started a discussion here on the usage of maiden vs. married names on the article Maddie & Tae. Please weigh in with your thoughts. Thank you. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 07:44, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

Move request discussion: Title for the Suicide of Kurt Cobain article

Opinions are needed on the following: Talk:Suicide of Kurt Cobain#Requested move 27 July 2020. Flyer22 Frozen (talk) 03:12, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

RfC on Anne Frank

There's an RfC regarding Anne Frank that this WikiProject might be interested in. Loki (talk) 16:32, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

RfC on content in Notes column of filmography tables in Singapore artistes BLPs

There is a current RFC on removal of certain content in Singapore artistes BLP articles that the project may be interested in weighing in: Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Content in Notes column of filmography tables in Singapore artistes BLPs. – robertsky (talk) 22:30, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

Move request discussion. Opinions are needed on the merger of William Dickson (Falklands) to Antonio Rivero

The discussion is on the talk page of Antonio Rivero, the basic issue is whether sources exist for the murder victim Dickson to be considered notable. --Boynamedsue (talk) 14:02, 9 August 2020 (UTC)