Talk:Jesus

Jesus birth year

Why does this article assert that Jesus was born in the year 4 BC? How would Christ be born 4 years before Christ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mralekob (talk • contribs)

Well, because the monk who established the Christian calendar never had precise data about the date of birth of Jesus. So he established an arbitrary (approximate) 1 AD at the year he thought Jesus should have been born. tgeorgescu (talk) 03:54, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Jesus born in 4 BC comes from Herod died in 4 BC (one of the gospels links Jesus's birth to Herod's death). To further complicate the matter, there are minority views that Herod died in either 1 BC or 1 AD. tgeorgescu (talk) 04:05, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

In the end, 4 BC is an estimate, not a hard historical fact, and mainstream Bible scholars usually place Jesus's birth from 7 BC to 2 BC. tgeorgescu (talk) 04:11, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Another method is counting back 33 years from Jesus's crucifixion, but this assumes we would know the year Jesus got crucified. Usually, that year is supposed to be either 30 AD or 33 AD, but again this isn't a hard fact. tgeorgescu (talk) 04:15, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Drawing the line: that monk did not have precise data, and we don't have either. As many stuff from Ancient history, we can only know such facts to some degree of probability and we will probably never know with certainty. tgeorgescu (talk) 04:40, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 July 2021

41.36.5.83 (talk) 23:32, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

I only want to change the photo of Jesus And Put another one please.

The infobox photo has been the subject of discussions in the past, so a new consensus should be determined before using the edit request template for the change. What image did you have in mind? VQuakr (talk) 00:23, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

Added at the bottom

Jesus is a religious, cultural, worldwide icon, and is among the most influential people in human history. (Reference here) - User:Sleetimetraveller

Semi-protected edit request on 31 July 2021

Reference; English translated bibles. Jesus is more than a first-century preacher. Emmanuel is the first name called meaning "God is with us." then later in the gospel of Matthew 1:25 "and he called his name Jesus." Also, in the gospel of Mark chapter 1, verse 1; the writer references Jesus as "the Son of God." Also, in the gospel of Luke, versus 31 & 32 Jesus is referenced as "the Son of the highest." Recommend you change the verbiage from "Jesus was a first century preacher." to "Jesus is the Son of God." 72.42.136.31 (talk) 00:10, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 00:17, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

Altruism

Jesus's message in the Great Commandment has two laws: the first law deals with matters of faith and the second law good works (love, altruism?). The second law stuff can be detailed by this fairly short list:

• "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you" Matthew 7:12
• "Love one another as I have loved you" John 13:34
• "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone" John 8:7.
• "Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's..." Matthew 22:22
• The widow's mite, Mark 12:38-44
• The rich man and Lazarus Luke 16:19-31

and some others. This second law stuff also falls under something along the lines of the general welfare clause and Richard Dawkins' "nice guys finish first" and stuff. Can we somehow highlight the second law in the text as usable by some atheists? Maybe it is just altruism or the Golden Rule.--Lindamcca (talk) 22:26, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

Royalty

@HerbiePocket: https://www.theguardian.com/science/commentisfree/2015/may/24/business-genetic-ancestry-charlemagne-adam-rutherford says that I am a descendant of Charlemagne. May I have my own Wikipedia article, and should it say that I'm royalty? tgeorgescu (talk) 21:32, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

Son, that is perhaps the very definition of specious reasoning. It appears that you want to make a trite argue that I'm not going to engage in.

However, as a matter of education I will provide an operational definition for you. Jewish royals are: 1) patrilineal descendants of David or Saul, such as the Exilarchate, Nesi'm, or the various Messianic claimants who lay this claim either de facto or de jure, 2) Jews who marry into a royal families, and thus become royals 3) a sovereign who converts to Judaism, such with the Himyar kingdom or the Khazars — Preceding unsigned comment added by HerbiePocket (talk • contribs)

This is a religiously neutral, i.e. secular encyclopedia. I see no reason to apply a wholly different definition for Category:Jewish royalty than for Category:Danish royalty and Category:Swedish royalty. tgeorgescu (talk) 22:20, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

Unfortunately, HerbiePocket, you're going to need to find some sources that back up your definitions; otherwise this is simply WP:OR. That doesn't mean you're wrong, but it does mean it's a claim we can't make on Wikipedia. Cheers. Dumuzid (talk) 23:16, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

Or Category:French royalty and Category:Russian royalty, to use more appropriate examples. tgeorgescu (talk) 23:47, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

This reminds me of how I have applied Category:Jewish communists to the Twelve Apostles at Romanian Wikipedia. Noob mistake. A good case can be made that Jesus's Apostles were Jewish and that they were Communists. tgeorgescu (talk) 00:06, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

I would also say that if this is a useful category, it is a supercategory so includes other categories rather than articles for most part. For instance Category:Jewish messiah claimants, Category:Exilarchs (btw is there any evidence that the exilarchs considered themselves royalty beyond the first legendary ones?), Category:Omrides, Category:Davidic line,... --Erp (talk) 02:04, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

• Jesus, King of the Jews is apparently a thing. Aren't kings considered royalty? Or what's the story there? 78.28.44.31 (talk) 12:21, 10 August 2021 (UTC)