Talk:Final Fantasy XIII-2

Downloadable content

This link has mentions of the game's upcoming downloadable content. Any idea where to place it? Regards.Tintor2 (talk) 23:48, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

Development section is my estimate.Lucia Black (talk) 06:02, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

Clarification of dates needed.

"As of March 2012, Final Fantasy XIII-2 has become the fifth best-selling game of 2011 in Japan." This could use some clarification. I have no idea how to interpret it.Weirdtheory (talk) 23:30, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

It was determined to be the best game in 2011. the year had to end in order to know. But the sentence structure seems to suggest that it could potentially change in the future. So maybe removing the date "as of March 2012".Lucia Black (talk) 19:18, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Sequel references

I have been doing a little pokinh around and I have heard that there will not be a direct sequel to this game in the near future. The 'To be continued' that featured after the 'apocalypse' main ending certainly left a strong suggestion for a 'Final Fantasy XIII-3'. I heard from several sites that there will be multiple downloadable content which will expand upon the game's story and ending, including episodes for Lightning and., perhaps, Snow and Serah. So I think something about this should be added to the article, if only to put previously fevered minds like mine at rest. I saw that ending and felt more than a little sad since it seemed to bring that world to an end, with the villain winning even though he died in the act. --ProtoDrake (talk) 14:16, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

Yakusoku No Basho

This is translated as "The place of promise" on the page, and while yakusoku does translate to promise, it means promise as in "a promise" rather than promise as in "promising" which the article implies as the definition in this context. A better translation would be "The promised place" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.72.41.155 (talk) 01:03, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

Create music article?

I was thinking if we should create a music article, similar to those found in Music of Final Fantasy XIII. I am trying to find more references for the music section, but I think an article on the music can be created, especially with concerns about the theme song and the music's creation as well. Any thoughts? Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 18:12, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Hold off on it for now; lets get this article up to GA, then as we build out the music section if we find enough sources I'll make a music article. --PresN 18:37, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Very good. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 18:48, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Well, now it seems this article should include at least a section on the Music of Final Fantasy XIII-2. Chris857 (talk) 22:20, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

GA push

While this article is undergoing peer review, here's a list of what we need to do to get this up to GA status:

• Lead section - looks good.
• Gameplay section - needs quotes from the instruction manual as well as the appropriate game guides.
• Plot section - needs quotes from the game.
• Development section - looks good.
• Music section - needs to be expanded upon.
• Reception section - looks good as well.
• Possible sequel - also looks good.

Any thoughts or other suggestions would be very much appreciated. Thanks, Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 18:24, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Ultimania translations?

I am considering using the Ultimania translations as sources for the game, especially concerning the development and audio section as well. Thoughts? Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 18:14, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

I fully support it, there's always great stuff in those Ultimania sources. Are there translations readily available? Sergecross73 msg me 23:10, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Final Fantasy XIII-2/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Mark Arsten (talk · contribs) 19:21, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

• Ok, looks interesting. I'll pick up the review. More comments to follow within the next few days. Generally it looks fine, I have a few small concerns about some confusing parts though. Mark Arsten (talk) 19:21, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

Lead

• "it is a direct sequel to the 2010 role playing game, Final Fantasy XIII, the thirteenth major installment in the Final Fantasy series. The game includes modified features from the previous game" It's somewhat ambiguous which game is being referred to as "The game".
• "Final Fantasy XIII-2 received highly positive reviews from Japanese critics, and generally positive reviews from Western video game journalists, who praised the gameplay, lack of linearity and graphics, but criticized the story as weak and confusing." I'd suggest breaking this into two sentences.

Gameplay

• I'd suggest trying to avoid the singular "they" in this section.
• "The game world is divided up into multiple regions and times, and includes both different regions at the same time and the same region at different times." Is there a more clear way to put this?
• "by foot or by chocobo." might want to briefly note what a chocobo is.

Combat system

• "which continually refills to a set maximum number of slots" Does something determine how quickly it refills or does it just refill at the same rate, i.e. in real time.
• "The game has both normal and easy modes." Seems like a kinda random place to note this.
• "and if too much time passes before combat begins the player is restricted from restarting the battle during combat" So you can generally restart each battle?
• "Each enemy has a meter, called a Chain Gauge, consisting of a percentage starting at 100 which increases when the enemy is struck by attacks or spells." Just so we're clear, it starts at 100% and then goes higher when they're attacked?
• "Attacks by different roles have different effects" When reading through I was confused as to what "roles" are at this point.
• "some raise the chain by a larger amount while others give the player longer before the Chain Gauge resets" By resets, you mean drops back to 100%, right?
• So the challenge with the Chain Gauge is to bring it up the the percent that causes "Staggered" before it resets? I think I understand now, but I found this paragraph somewhat confusing.
• "Unlike in Final Fantasy XIII, the player cannot summon Eidolons to fight." What is an "Eidolon"?
  • Clarified that an Eidolon is a summoned monster, and also the reason why they are not available in this title. ProfessorTofty (talk) 00:23, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

Plot

• "a team of six people stopped the two worlds from being destroyed by the fal'Cie of Cocoon" What is the "fal'Cie"?
• "Due to the fall of Cocoon and the collapse of its government" ... "Over the course of the game, a scientific body called the Academy eventually becomes a technocratic government." This happened in the last game, right? I'm a little unclear about that.
• "The two main playable characters are Serah Farron, Lightning's sister" A bit confusing, we don't know who Lightning is at this point.
• "a young man originally from 700 years in the future" relative to what? 3 AF?
• "and willingly became a l'Cie to accomplish his goal" What's that?
• "an Academy member and survivor of the Purge." What's the Purge?
• I'm not sure if there's an easy way to explain, but what do they do to "resolve the paradox"?
• "Noel claims that this takes place around 400 AF, and devastates the human population as well as the world, resulting in the extinction of the species by his own time." So Noel isn't human? What is he?
• "Resolving the paradox, Noel and Serah travel to an alternate Academia." What time is this?
• "and risks death every time she changes the future.[15][10]" Refs should be in ascending numerical order.
• "In the full ending, Lightning is seen in crystal stasis on the throne of Etro's temple." Is there more than one ending?
  • There are multiple endings, and what was written there was not correct. The Lightning in stasis sequence is always shown in the main ending. The secret ending involves the antagonist Caius Ballad and Yeul. I have corrected / added to the information. The remainder of the "endings" are separate from the main ending and are called "Paradox Endings." They trigger bonus scenes that show optional pathways in time, but due to the effect of the Historia Crux, after viewing such an ending, the player is returned to the Historia Crux to continue gameplay, as if the ending never happened. ProfessorTofty (talk) 00:15, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

Ok, thanks. Mark Arsten (talk) 13:50, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

Development

• "According to Toriyama, with Vanille and Fang gone and Cocoon fallen, there was no way for the new story to be totally peaceful, while Kitase remarked that the story was intended to have the serious feel of a true numbered entry in the Final Fantasy series." & "The story for XIII-2 was structured differently than for XIII, as a series of smaller "pieces of drama" rather than one overarching story piece, and relying less on unfamiliar concepts and terms such as "l'Cie" and "fal'Cie"". Kind of long, might want to break these up.

Music

• There some repetition of "compose" in this section.

Reception

• "Parker praised the game's "smart, engaging mechanics" and the "novel structure" of the gameplay, and Joe Juba of Game Informer said that the changes to Final Fantasy XIII's battle system made it his favorite Final Fantasy battle system yet, and that the gameplay was "phenomenal"." & "VanOrd agreed that the combat was fun, though he found it to be too easy; the Edge review, which was harsher on the game than most others, also found it to be too easy, which combined with what they saw as poor subquests and lazy environment design made the gameplay uninteresting." & "VanOrd was less negative towards the characters and story than most others, but still described the characters as good but not great, focusing on the less interesting characters of Noel and Sarah over Lightning and Caius, and said that the story was "semi-coherent" and missed several emotional notes, particularly in the first half of the game." Kind of long, might want to break these up.
• Make sure you have a citation after every sentence with a direct quote.
• Is there any more you can say about the difference between Japanese and North American reviews? i.e. Why its reception in Japan was much better.

• Got nothing for you on this one; just a matter of taste, I suppose, but I don't have a source. Anecdotally, though, Japanese reviewers seem willing to happily put up with the most absurd storytelling without docking points in a review where non-Japanese reviewers aren't, but I don't have an RS for that. --PresN 00:35, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

Hmm, interesting. Japan can be an interesting place. Mark Arsten (talk) 13:50, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

Sequel

• " In late August 2012, a new teaser site was unveiled in preparation for the Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Event, titled "A Storm Gathers", teasing" Some repetition here (teaser ... teasing)

• Alright! Thanks so much for reviewing, it's quite a long article to slog through. I think between me and ProtoDrake we've gotten everything above this comment taken care of. --PresN 22:36, 7 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, sounds good. I'll take another read through it soon. Mark Arsten (talk) 13:50, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

Second pass

• Ok, just took a second pass over the article. It looks like most issues have been taken care of, but here are a few more small comments:
• "Monsters do not freely roam the map like in Final Fantasy XI to XIII, but instead they randomly appear as in previous Final Fantasy games." Might want to give the range of Final Fantasy games instead of saying "previous Final Fantasy games".
• There some repetition of "battle" in the "Combat system" section, it would be nice if that could be cut down on.
• "there are around 150 different monsters available to be collected" Different types of monsters? Or only 150 total monsters?
• "but can also perform a feral link attack" Should this be hyphenated?
• " fifth best-selling 2011 game in Japan" Should double check that the hyphen is in the right part here.
• "Square Enix registered the domain name FinalFantasy13-2game.com..." Did they ever use the site or did they just register it?

• It forwards to the official site(s), but they didn't use it specifically- they were just domain-name squatting so that no one else would take it. --PresN 19:25, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

• "Initially, the design for the game called for Serah to travel alone with Mog" Who is Mog?
• "The moogle was designed by Toshitaka Matsuda." Might want to explain what a moogle is.
• There's some repetition of "making it the" in "Reception"
• I wonder if the music's reception would be best mentioned in the Music section? Mark Arsten (talk) 19:09, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

• Traditionally its not, even in GAs and FAs- trying to keep the game's reception all together, rather than music's in the music section, gameplay in the gameplay section, etc. --PresN 19:25, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

• Images are all fine.
• No dabs, no dead links. Actually, the andriasang.com links aren't working for me right now. Not sure if their site's down or what. Mark Arsten (talk) 19:59, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

• Andriasang closed shop a few months ago- the website is supposed to stick around, just not have new news posted, but it's been going up and down ever since. That reminds me- I need to archive all the links. --PresN 19:25, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

• I'm not totally familiar with which sites are reliable sources and which aren't. The ones I wonder about here are andriasang.com, RPG Site, The Penny Arcade Report., and RPGFan. Have these been discussed before?

• I've used RPGFan and Andriasang in FAs before (Final Fantasy XIII), PAR is listed at the video games reliable sources page based on the individual reliability of its editor/writers, and RPG Site doesn't seem to have a discussion anywhere, so I've replaced it with VG247, which I used in that same FA, though I had to lose the sales number for it. --PresN 19:25, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

• Also, I think you should add English translations of the titles of the Japanese articles, if you can. Mark Arsten (talk) 20:06, 12 March 2013 (UTC)
• You mention in the infobox and a template at the bottom that it's part of the Fabula Nova Crystallis Final Fantasy series, but that's not mentioned in the text at all. Might want to add that in. Mark Arsten (talk) 20:23, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

• All of the second wave should be done between Protodrake and myself; I've commented inline where warranted. --PresN 19:25, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

• Alright, the second wave of fixes look good. I'm happy to pass this now. Thanks to everyone who helped on the review! Mark Arsten (talk) 19:01, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

• Spotchecks: checked 46, 50b, 51c, 58, 60, and 61--no issues found. Mark Arsten (talk) 19:01, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

FA?

All right. Now that this article is up to GA status, as one of tge top four main contributors (aside from PresN and ProtoDrake), the next thing we may need to do is to get this up to FA status. Thoughts? Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 19:22, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

Sounds alright (I myself have a private ambition to help get Lightning Returns up to GA status when the time comes), but we only just got this up to good article status. How about we give ourselves a little time to relax and collate the needed data before moving forward, to use some rather computerish phraseology. --ProtoDrake (talk) 19:27, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

Affirmative. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 19:44, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

Since the FF13 FAC asked for the FF13 ultimania interviews, I think we'll want to try to get at least some of the FF13-2 ultimanias. Fortunately, Mark Arsten (per his usual) gave the article a thorough copyedit as part of the GAN, so no worries there. --PresN 21:18, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

Open world?

Could this game be classified as open world?ECW28 (talk) 09:06, 12 March 2015 (UTC)

No. --PresN 17:51, 12 March 2015 (UTC)

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information from another article

This article mentions that this performer's vocals were used in the music of this game, and I clicked through looking to see what exactly they contributed to, however she is not mentioned here or on Music_of_Final_Fantasy_XIII-2

If her exact contribution could be listed in Music_of_Final_Fantasy_XIII-2 then the section it appeared in could be added to the link on Origa, improving both pages. With a short google, I was able to locate a list here: http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/ORIGA the reference points to her official site, which appears to be down with errors at the time of this writing.

 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.87.9.107 (talk) 16:00, 11 January 2019 (UTC) 

Well, from looking at the album credits it looks like there were scattered vocals from 7 different performers, along with a children's chorus. Origa sang on 3 (out of 79) tracks- "New Bodhum", "New Bodhum - Aggressive Mix -", and "Historia Crux". The other tracks listed on that wikia are credited instead to DAGMUSIC LTD, which is a Japanese sound production company. I've added a line about the vocalists to Music of Final Fantasy XIII-2#Soundtrack, but without a source external to the soundtrack credits, or a more significant contribution beyond a handful of tracks each, I don't think that a track-by-track listing of who sang on what is warranted. --PresN 16:14, 11 January 2019 (UTC)

WP:URFA/2020 notes

As part of the current FA sweeps, I have reviewed this article to check against continued adherence to the FA criteria. The article hasn't significantly changed from its passing version the better part of a decade ago, though I have some thoughts on the article and its current state, as follows:

• The lead suffers from recent "this news came out, stuck it in the lead" issues with the Xbox info (that could be cited to better than tweets, as well.)
• There's some issues of organization that I found throughout, where the article suffers from some disordered thought. I fixed some of this in the lead, for example (where the article went from talking about release dates, to comparisons to XIII, back to release dates, then back to gameplay), but I notice it throughout, such as talking about the game camera, then easy/hard modes, then back to game cameras and world navigation in gameplay,
• The gameplay could use another pass for prose and comprehension cleanup. The explanation of the battle system especially is really hard to follow as someone not familiar with the FF series, and uses a lot of repetitious phrasing that makes it worse (also: choose either "the player" or "players", but it's weird to switch back and forth when it's talking about the same hypothetical person.)
  • Along those lines, explaining how every single thing is different or the same from XIII seems unnecessary for a general-purpose encyclopedia as opposed to a gaming wiki, and would make the prose read a lot better if some of these differences were cut, e.g. Monsters do not freely roam the map like in Final Fantasy XI to XIII, but instead, they randomly appear as in the earlier Final Fantasy games. (which doesn't really tell me what randomly appearing actually means, anyhow.) Same with mentioning the Eidolons at the end—why throw another proper noun that isn't relevant to understanding this game at people?
• lthough the developers were explicitly responding to the criticism, they saw the changes and additions as making the sequel in line with what players had hoped Final Fantasy XIII would be, rather than backing away from the changes that game had brought to the series. I can't really parse what this sentence is trying to say, because if they explicitly designed XIII-2 to respond to criticism and make the game more like people hoped XIII would be, that doesn't seem to equal not backing down from the changes they made.
• The Marketing section doesn't really seem to be focused on marketing. It's mostly a bunch of development quotes and rumor-mill stuff.
• Performed a ref spot-check, since that didn't appear to have been done at the FAC at the time. Checked current refs 2, 7, 8, 11, 25, 28, 29, 42, 46, 52, 57, 66, 70, 76, 83, and 87.
  • You've got a bunch of refs that are archived but should have the url-status=dead field since they are now 404s or redirects.
  • Citations are a bit inconsistent in formatting (using work/website fields versus publisher fields for similar info, etc.)
  • I think smaller page ranges for citations from the manual would be ideal. Given how it's easy for gameplay sections to get unverifiable stuff added in, it's an extra problem if someone needs to go through a 20-page range to try and figure out if it's cited or not.
  • Doesn't appear ref 7 fully cites the entire paragraph about random encounters and battles that comes before it.
  • Don't think ref 11 is a good citation for the section it's citing (it's also before XIII, so it's a bit misleading where it seems like it's supporting XIII-2 and XIII's similarities.)
  • Final line of plot misquotes game dialogue (says "curses" but the attached citation just says "curse".)
    • On the subject, I'm not sure the primary plot quotes are really worth including here, since implicitly the game is the source for all the information (at least directly in the plot section) and I'm left wondering why some parts are cited and others aren't.
  • Cite 29 (Webcitation) wasn't working for me when I tried accessing it on multiple different days.
  • Not sure It would ship an additional 200,000 to 400,000 copies according to Square Enix press releases. Its Steam release sold over 330,000 copies by early 2016. To October 15, 2017 has sold a total of 3.7 million copies is properly supported by the appended Steamspy ref (70). Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs ^talk 14:00, 11 January 2022 (UTC)