Talk:Alex Jones

Let's review, shall we?

Let's review for our newly-arrived Infowars/Newswars/Prison Planet minions, shall we? Alex Jones claims that the US government kidnaps children and makes them slaves at our martian colony, that kids are only pretending to get shot at school and their parents are only pretending to grieve, that Michelle Obama is really a man, that Carrie Fisher of Star Wars fame was killed to boost DVD sales, that the coming New World Order is a demonic high-tech tyranny formed by satanist elites who are using selective breeding to create a supreme race, that tap water is turning frogs gay, that Coronavirus is a hoax, that 5G networks create Coronavirus within human cells (no explanation about the conflict between those last two), that Temple of Baal arches will be erected in multiple cities around the world Real Soon Now, that the Democratic party runs a pedophile ring through pizza shops, that the US government commits acts of terrorism against its own citizens, that Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton are literally demons from hell, that the 2004 Indian Ocean earthquake and tsunami were a government plot, that Obama wanted to detonate a nuclear bomb in Charleston, South Carolina, that FEMA runs concentration camps, that the US is being invaded by South American walruses... Sounds legit to me! --Guy Macon (talk) 12:46, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

Comments / questions

• Q: Isn't Jones just an actor playing a role without actually believing all of that?

A: It doesn't matter. Millions of people read his webpage, some believe it, and a tiny percentage go to Wikipedia to set us straight. --Guy Macon (talk) 12:46, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

• Q: Why doesn't this page cover the bit about gay frogs?

A: We only cover those things Alex Jones says that have significant coverage in reliable sources. --Guy Macon (talk) 12:46, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

• Q: OK, all that other stuff is just silly, but the bit about South American walruses is real!

A: No it isn't. --Guy Macon (talk) 12:46, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

But the gay frogs is pretty funny, you have to admit. Guy (help! - typo?) 20:55, 10 October 2020 (UTC)

Here it is for anyone who has not experienced this special moment: [ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tVrntKgdN0 ]

It's like a turd sandwich with Wikipedia's Gay bomb page at the start, The Daily Mail[1] at the end, and Infowars in the middle! --Guy Macon (talk) 21:24, 10 October 2020 (UTC)

Guy Macon, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvf6gz58xnI Guy (help! - typo?) 21:40, 10 October 2020 (UTC)

Unfair

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Alex jones has made many claims proven to be fact and not just fake news he talked about Epstein well before that was popular and known wide seems like an unfair left wing written page on him 2601:98A:480:C050:0:0:0:8166 (talk) 08:05, 8 June 2022 (UTC) What else can you expect from Wikipedia? Par for the course. Imagine if Wikipedia focused on the deceptions peddled by their favored MSM 'reliable sources' and rightly framed them as conspiracy theorists. Where would that leave them? Of course the page is unfair. Of course the slander is laundered through news worthy 'reliable sources', like late night hosts. It is a veritable caricature of propaganda. Editors should seek to make this cartoonishly lopsided presentation even more extreme and biased. If a photo of one of the late night hosts winking into the camera is available, I suggest that it be included so readers concerned about fairness understand what a farce Wikipedia is. This is the best way to resolve this issue within the current ideological framework. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 27.34.20.36 (talk) 15:50, 26 July 2022 (UTC) I am not going to remove this as a violation of wp:soap and instead respond. Fisrt off MSN is far from a favoured source (as an example, it is not used once in this article). 2, Most of the sources we use here are not "late night hosts" (Jones however is). So can you give an example of a news story Jones broke that turned out to be true? Slatersteven (talk) 15:56, 26 July 2022 (UTC) This is called a broken clock moment if anything. Even Hitler had em’.SinoDevonian (talk) 00:14, 14 July 2022 (UTC) Can you give some examples, that Jones was the first to break, or uncover? After all I can say that A. Joe Biden is now president and B. he is also a small pink cat. That does not mean because A is right B is. Slatersteven (talk) 11:22, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

Alt right?

Alex jones doesnt fit the openly white supremacist ideology of the alt right in fact i wouldnt even consider him ”far right” in the international sense. he is an extreme american conservative clearly a part of the american ”radical right” but he doesnt have even contacts with open white supremacists but with the likes of nick fuentes who appeal to their conservative side with jones rather than of their white nationalist side they have with their audience 176.72.17.154 (talk) 19:53, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

We go by what reliable sources say, not our personal analyses EvergreenFir (talk) 20:01, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

I wouod agree, he is a con man who has found a way to fleece white supremacist's and the alt right, but (per above) wew go by what RS say, and not what I think. Slatersteven (talk) 11:21, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

He's described as alt-right by some RS, and it certainly deserves a mention in the views section. I will say, I wish there was a better solution to the opening sentence because we say he's alt-right, far-right, and conservative all in the same sentence. This is problematic because it's not that RS unanimously see him as all those labels, his ideologies are just described differently source to source. I think it would be better to remove such labels from the first sentence and introduce them just a bit later in the lead so context can be added that the descriptions vary. Iamreallygoodatcheckers (talk) 06:57, 24 July 2022 (UTC)

As what he says is his brand, his product, I disagree. 12:43, 24 July 2022 (UTC)

Oh, come on. This lying conspiracy-spreading d-bag is very clearly alt-right. He espouses alt-right ideologies and his audience is a bunch of insane alt-right conspiracy freaks.

Is Fake News the same thing as Far Right?

The article and the talk page cant seem to distinguish between the two. I think that the points should be labeled correctly. An example is the FAQ section above, which asks the question "Why is Alex Jones listed as a conspiracy theorist or producer of fake news?" and proceeds to answer with a because it is far right. Does this mean all far right opinions are fake news? Conversely does it mean all fake news is a far right opinion?

The article equating all far right opinions with fake news has the potential effect of readers immediately forming an opinion that the article itself is not legitimate and is politically biased. While it is easy to see how a lot of far right opinions can be considered biased and incorrect information, it does not immediately apply the label of Fake News which itself is a loaded and controversial label which has gained popularity in the recent years.

Fake News can not distinguish between satire article, jokes, incorrect information, memes and even disinformation. Adding another category of far right opinions to an already vague term will just cause confusion. 197.249.251.11 (talk) 13:30, 26 July 2022 (UTC)

I do not wish to edit the article without an editorial consent of some sort, perhaps writing this on the talk page is also incorrect, but i think this is a point that needs to be addressed in order to improve the quality of the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 197.249.251.11 (talk) 13:28, 26 July 2022 (UTC) 197.249.251.11 (talk) 13:31, 26 July 2022 (UTC)Sid

wp:rs say he is both, not that both are the same. Slatersteven (talk) 13:33, 26 July 2022 (UTC)

yes, but there should be a distinction. The article is not clear on that. Sid raptor (talk) 13:34, 26 July 2022 (UTC)

Were do we conflate the two? Slatersteven (talk) 13:35, 26 July 2022 (UTC)

seperate the terms. Say it is a far right website known for publishing fake news Sid raptor (talk) 13:36, 26 July 2022 (UTC)

were do we have them together? Slatersteven (talk) 13:38, 26 July 2022 (UTC)

The FAQ section on this very talk page for one. The first question is Why is Alex Jones listed as a conspiracy theorist or producer of fake news?, which is answered by wp:rs stating Infowars is far right. the general tone of the article leans in that direction as well. Sid raptor (talk) 13:42, 26 July 2022 (UTC)

A better way of stating would be : Infowars is a Far Right, conspiracy theory website. The website is known for publishing fake news. Sid raptor (talk) 13:46, 26 July 2022 (UTC)

So you want the FAQ reworded? Slatersteven (talk) 13:47, 26 July 2022 (UTC)

FAQ and the section of Infowars in the main article Sid raptor (talk) 13:48, 26 July 2022 (UTC)

Where do wee conflate far right and fake news, provide the passage in the article. Slatersteven (talk) 13:50, 26 July 2022 (UTC)

Just to be clear, I am not questioning the content, just the presentation Sid raptor (talk) 13:50, 26 July 2022 (UTC)

currently reads: Jones is the publisher and director of the InfoWars fake news website responsible for promoting conspiracy theories.

Better Option:

Jones is the Publisher and director of Infowars, a Far Right leaning conspiracy theory website that has been a known publisher of fake news or content of questionable legitimacy. Sid raptor (talk) 13:54, 26 July 2022 (UTC)

The fake news label is another can of worms though. Without any WP:RS provided. if there is a proven fake news article, should it not be linked along with a wp:rs confirming it as such? Unfortunately conspiracy theories both left and right are by nature difficult to prove. Once proven or disproven, it no longer remains a theory. Sid raptor (talk) 13:57, 26 July 2022 (UTC)

Although, I suppose we don't need a wp:rs to state that water makes things wet do we? Sid raptor (talk) 19:08, 26 July 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 August 2022

this article contains way WAY too much slander against him, its no good to see just how much slander there is against this truth speaking man Deltadouchnozzle (talk) 01:29, 2 August 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ‑‑ElHef (Meep?) 01:31, 2 August 2022 (UTC)

There is no slander in this article. 68.196.162.105 (talk) 02:38, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

Claiming Alex Jones speaks the truth does not come across as accurate in light of the developing news on August 3 that his own lawyers sent his phone/text messages and financial details to the lawyers repesenting the Sandy Hook families he in on trial for slandering. The judge's warning to Jones indicate the trial is moving from defamation to a perjury charge. Colonial Computer 19:02, 3 August 2022 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 22yearswothanks (talk • contribs)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 August 2022

Change compiled to complied 73.250.122.106 (talk) 22:59, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

 Done Cannolis (talk) 00:42, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

Remove Newsweek source for "alt right" in lede, and possibly remove the label "alt right"

Because: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Perennial_sources it's not a good source.

I don't think the other source is particularly strong either, so maybe "alt right" should be removed as a label. I don't see a whole lot of material on this page supporting the idea that he is a white nationalist, more so, that he is a conspiracy theorist. If "giving a platform to" white nationalists makes one a white nationalist, then every FAANG web platform is guilty of doing that at some point. After trump was elected, it seemed like every news channel was interviewing Richard Spencer. Does that mean they were "giving him a platform" and were consequently white nationalist? The academic source is from a seeming obscure academic journal, and the label is so contentious, it shouldn't be applied liberally. I'm not saying Jones is some sort of saint, but "conspiracy theorist" is a perfectly apt label. If you over-label people as white nationalist, the label loses its significance, and people jokingly call themselves "white nationalist" for their slightly non-mainstream views, and we forget that white nationalists are real. BungaBungaParties (talk) 03:13, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

BungaBungaParties, what was your previous account? You are clearly not new to editing Wikipedia. You may have a point about Newsweek. I will look into that. Cullen328 (talk) 03:25, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

There is no consensus as to whether Newsweek is reliable or unreliable. This specific article was discussing the falsehoods that Jones spread about Stephen Paddock and Antifa. There is zero evidence of any such connection. So, the question is whether not "alt right" is a proper descriptor. Perhaps other editors might want to chime in. As far as I am concerned, "right wing extremist" might be a better descriptor, along with "conspiracy theorist", both of which are well supported. Cullen328 (talk) 03:51, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 August 2022

In the Sandy Hook school shooting, third paragraph down, change "committed suicide" to "died by suicide"

On March 25, 2019, Jeremy Richman, one of the plaintiffs, whose daughter Avielle was killed, committed suicide.

change to:

On March 25, 2019, Jeremy Richman, one of the plaintiffs, whose daughter Avielle was killed, died by suicide. MydogisPepper (talk) 03:57, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

There is no project-wide consensus to remove "committed suicide" from this encyclopedia. So, how do reliable sources describe this particular death? Cullen328 (talk) 04:51, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

I see many reliable sources using the phrase "committed suicide" in connection with this tragic death. Why should Wikipedia try to exclude this commonplace phrase? Cullen328 (talk) 04:58, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 11:09, 4 August 2022 (UTC)