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::I'm agree. There must be a margin of tolerance and common sense in the title of the pages, thinking about who will look for what and how. [[User:Sira Aspera|Sira Aspera]] ([[User talk:Sira Aspera|talk]]) 19:06, 9 September 2022 (UTC)
::I'm agree. There must be a margin of tolerance and common sense in the title of the pages, thinking about who will look for what and how. [[User:Sira Aspera|Sira Aspera]] ([[User talk:Sira Aspera|talk]]) 19:06, 9 September 2022 (UTC)
:If you feel the article should be somewhere else by all means make a move request. I however concur with the other comments. There is president from how His Royal Highness King Charles III was treated prior to his ascension [[User:Davethorp|Davethorp]] ([[User talk:Davethorp|talk]]) 19:25, 9 September 2022 (UTC)
:If you feel the article should be somewhere else by all means make a move request. I however concur with the other comments. There is president from how His Royal Highness King Charles III was treated prior to his ascension [[User:Davethorp|Davethorp]] ([[User talk:Davethorp|talk]]) 19:25, 9 September 2022 (UTC)
::William has already become Prince of Wales? Informally, without the investiture as [https://www.tatler.com/article/prince-charles-investiture-what-really-happened his father received the 26 july 1958]? --[[User:Skyfall|Skyfall]] ([[User talk:Skyfall|talk]]) 21:14, 9 September 2022 (UTC)


== Personal aide-de-camp ==
== Personal aide-de-camp ==

Revision as of 21:14, 9 September 2022

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Titles

Please don't add titles to Prince William until they have been officially announced just because Charles is now King does not automatically mean he's now Prince of Wales or Duke of Cornwall, he will in future be titled and referenced as such but until it's been officially announced he is still just Duke of Cambridge. SimonD

You are correct that the title Prince of Wales must be conferred. You are incorrect, however, that the Dukedoms of Cornwall and Rothesay do not pass automatically. They do. Charles held these Dukedoms since 1952 as the heir-apparent and son of the monarch, but wasn't created Prince of Wales until years later. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ddgently (talk • contribs) 18:19, 8 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

He is William, Prince of Wales this is the title held by the heir apparent and should be used in article title ChefBear01 (talk) 18:46, 8 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

No, it isn't. It is a title generally used by the heir apparent, but not automatically. So until it is conferred, he is not it. Aredbeardeddwarf (talk) 21:49, 8 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
It's a "substantive" title, so it's not just a matter of being used, as with a courtesy title, but it'd have to be be granted in the first place. (Previously there was a big faffy "investiture" ceremony; they might do that again, but I assume all that's actually required is letters patent stating this to be a done deal.) 109.255.211.6 (talk) 23:03, 8 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The big faffy investiture happened when Charles was 21, several years after creation of the title; and was, I believe, the first in centuries. —Tamfang (talk) 00:36, 9 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
For "generally used by", read "reserved for" – that is, unless I am misinformed, the king is not free to make anyone else prince of Wales or earl of Chester. —Tamfang (talk) 00:34, 9 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I have added his Scottish titles which automatically passed upon his father's succession. Panthro (talk) 22:42, 8 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The king just said that WIlliam will be prince of wales Nstrassel (talk) 17:16, 9 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Should we add his Coat of Arms as Prince of Wales and his former? King of Arrogance2001 (talk) 17:43, 9 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 6 June 2022

YOU LEFT OUT INFORMATION ABOUT HIS MOTHER DIANA. WHY???? THE ROYALS HAVE BEEN TRYING TO ERASE HER FROM BRITISH HISTORY, AND IT LOOKS LIKE YOU ARE TOO. VERY DISAPPOINTED!!!! 67.52.26.126 (talk) 14:48, 6 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Most information is at Diana, Princess of Wales, but there are many other articles on her too. DrKay (talk) 14:55, 6 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]


Why are you shouting? You might have a bee in your bonnet, but the use of capital letters where they are not needed is unnecessary in this instance. It has been quite rightly ignored by DrKay

RASAM (talk) 21:03, 26 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Duke of Cornwall

I'm assuming, when the Queen Elizabeth II passes. We'll be changing this article titles to either Prince William, Duke of Cornwall or Prince William, Duke of Cornwall and Cambridge. He doesn't become Prince of Wales, until the monarch bestows that title on him. GoodDay (talk) 16:31, 8 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

yes, officially he became Duke of Cornwall the moment the Queen died and Charles became King, and this title has precedence over Cambridge so it does need to be changed Bodrugan (talk) 17:39, 8 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
They have announced that William is now officially referred to as Duke of Cornwall and Cambridge, it's been on the TV news Bodrugan (talk) 18:15, 8 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Isn't he now prince of Wales? cookie monster 755 17:50, 8 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

no, Prince of Wales is a title given by the monarch and is a new creation each time. The Duchy of Cornwall is a constitutional anomaly, it's existed since 1337 and still exists even when there is no Duke. It automatically transfers as soon as someone becomes the heir apparent (who is also the son) of the monarch. Bodrugan (talk) 17:55, 8 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Not automatically. There's no Prince of Wales at the moment as the title has merged with the crown, but Charles will presumably create William as Prince of Wales in the next couple of years. Charles became Prince of Wales in 1958, six years after his mother became Queen. NekoFever (talk) 17:58, 8 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I should note that the title Duke of Rothesay acts in the same way as the dukedom of Cornwall. This dukedom is senior to Cambridge, so it would make more sense to refer to him as Prince William, Duke of Cornwall and Rothesay. Robin S. Taylor (talk) 20:17, 8 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
It would, but we don't have a basis for that usage in Wikipedia practice. The hierarchy is very much What the Papers Say > legal/heraldic/formal/official names > anything that actually makes sense. I'm guessing there will be a followup announcement about his distinct style in Scotland and indeed in Northern Ireland, and maybe they'll end up with something more logical and less clumsy. After workshopping every other possibility. 109.255.211.6 (talk) 20:56, 8 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
A reference has been added, and Rothesay added, although not in the title yet. Gealstrix (talk) 10:03, 9 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Heir

Mention that he's now first in line 2001:8F8:1125:AC9F:6506:3D3:4CC:8C70 (talk) 17:39, 8 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 8 September 2022 (2)

Prince William is not Prince of Wales yet (it's not automatic, he needs to be invested as such explicitly by the King), so please correct the article accordingly. Mill haru (talk) 17:56, 8 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 8 September 2022

This needs to now reflect that he is the Duke of Cornwall. Angeliquenh (talk) 18:08, 8 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Do we have an official source? Being the Monarch is instant, but do all the other titles cascade down instantly or do they need to do paperwork for it to happen? - David Gerard (talk) 18:25, 8 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Certain titles are automatically granted to the heir apparent (only males to date) of the British monarch: Duke of Cornwall, Duke of Rothesay, Earl of Carrick, Baron of Renfrew, Lord of the Isles, and Prince and Great Steward of Scotland. The titles of Prince of Wales and Earl of Chester have to be specifically granted and are done in conjunction with each other. Metheglyn (talk) 19:02, 8 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
 Already done ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 00:46, 9 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Coat of Arms.

Query: Does Prince William's coat of arms automatically change to now bear a plain label of three points as heir apparent to the throne, or does this change need to be gazetted first?

I ask because I know that the coats of arms of the Royals are special, and not subject to the normal rules. 79.79.96.116 (talk) 18:39, 8 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. Just as he is automatically Duke of Cornwall, he automatically acquires the Arms of the Duke of Cornwall (just as his father gets the Royal Arms undifferenced.) He also now has a plain label as heir apparent. 2601:646:8D00:4AC0:8121:FF2:462A:DA78 (talk) 00:35, 9 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Surname

"Both Princes William and Harry used Wales as their surname for military purposes; this continues to be the case for William since his creation as Duke of Cambridge." Wrong tense, I suspect, as the source given relates to his time as a notionally 'serving' member of the RAF, which is clearly long since no longer the case. I suggest a change to "continued to be the case for William after". (Feel free, O people with accounts to make such a change; otherwose, if there's no comments either way, I'll make an edit-semi-protected request.) 109.255.211.6 (talk) 23:15, 8 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Was he still in uniform at the time of his wedding? I remember his uncle was "Lt HRH The Duke of York". —Tamfang (talk) 00:32, 9 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 9 September 2022

Change: "He is the elder son of King Charles III and Lady Diana Spencer." to "He is the elder son of King Charles III and the late Diana, Princess of Wales." 104.54.35.2 (talk) 00:40, 9 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This change has effectively already been made by another editor. Ghmyrtle (talk) 16:00, 9 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 9 September 2022 (2)

Prince William of Wales, he is now the prince of wales 2A00:23C8:2004:CF01:117B:F1EE:ABF3:9626 (talk) 15:47, 9 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. DrKay (talk) 15:53, 9 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
☒N - No he isn't - at least, not yet. Ghmyrtle (talk) 15:54, 9 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
And if he were, his style would be “William, Prince of Wales”; “Prince [name] of Wales” would be his son. —Tamfang (talk) 16:20, 9 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
King Charles III has made him in his speech to the nation Prince of Wales. Gelbphoenix (talk) 17:11, 9 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Prince of Wales

Did Charles say Prince William will be Prince of Wales? -- Malcolmxl5 (talk) 17:09, 9 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Yes ~~ Downton Geographer (talk) 17:10, 9 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 9 September 2022 (3)

Change "Wiiliam" to "William" in page title 219.74.63.103 (talk) 17:10, 9 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

 Done. Malcolmxl5 (talk) 17:17, 9 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Prince of Wales

Title verified by his father's speech. 50.102.147.20 (talk) 17:10, 9 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Noted. -- Malcolmxl5 (talk) 17:20, 9 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Prince of Wales

King Charles III, in his address on national TV has just confirmed that William is now the Prince of Wales. 2A00:23C6:761C:AF01:9C81:831A:FA40:C93E (talk) 17:10, 9 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 9 September 2022 (3)

Change header 'Wiiliam' to 'William' Ranatopi (talk) 17:11, 9 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

 Done. -- Malcolmxl5 (talk) 17:18, 9 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 9 September 2022 (4)

2601:3C1:C300:3950:ECF7:16FD:15B8:DAE0 (talk) 17:11, 9 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Well, the article has been edited. Happy now? —Tamfang (talk) 18:27, 9 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Article tittle is spelled wrong, it says "Wiiliam" with a double i...

As mentioned, the spelling of William is incorrect 2806:108E:13:16E4:3C8F:F4BC:973C:4FE9 (talk) 17:12, 9 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It's been fixed. -- Malcolmxl5 (talk) 17:19, 9 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 9 September 2022 (5)

Change to WILLIAM (not WiiLam) and remove Prince of Wales, as that's not his current title 207.81.160.12 (talk) 17:13, 9 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: The page's protection level has changed since this request was placed. You should now be able to edit the page yourself. If you still seem to be unable to, please reopen the request with further details. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 17:45, 9 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Redirects

Can someone please fix the redirect, the article link is broken and goes to several redirect pages before the actual article. ChefBear01 (talk) 17:14, 9 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Which redirect? There are many. -- Malcolmxl5 (talk) 17:27, 9 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It needs to be fixed so that the article either doesn’t redirect from any article and there is a direct link, or so that it only redirects from the Prince William, Duke of Cambridge article name only ChefBear01 (talk) 20:07, 9 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The article redirects seem to have been fixed, this article and the Charles III article (once it has consensus) needs protecting so that move/renaming taking place as per WP:Consensus as it caused a mess.ChefBear01 (talk) 20:21, 9 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Prince of Wales?

The article states that "The following day, King Charles III bestowed the title [Prince of Wales] upon his son Prince William, Duke of Cornwall and Cambridge" but no sources are cited. In Prince of Wales two sources are cited ([1] and [2]). The first speaks about the event as "will be bestowed" and can therefore not be used. The second is a live feed and doesn't seem super reliable in that sense. I am unable to find any reliable reporting that states that the title has actually been bestowed onto William. Can someone either add a reliable source, or help revert all the changes claiming that this has already happened? effeietsanders 17:25, 9 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@The C of E, SeekerOfTruth90, and Timrollpickering: given that you made these changes, perhaps you have reliable sources available? effeietsanders 17:27, 9 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The source is a primary one, Charles III. That's reliable. -- Malcolmxl5 (talk) 17:28, 9 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Primary sources are not reliable sources for the purposes of Wikipedia. Please see WP:RS. Tad Lincoln (talk) 17:33, 9 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Primary sources "can be both reliable and useful in certain situations", WP:RSPRIMARY. -- Malcolmxl5 (talk) 17:42, 9 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Not when you can't cite them. As an Admin, you should know better. Tad Lincoln (talk) 17:54, 9 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Of course a TV and radio address by Charles III can be cited. -- Malcolmxl5 (talk) 18:01, 9 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, please. I have been trying to revert the changes at Prince of Wales, but I'm fighting a losing battle. Both articles need to be reverted and locked until this is sorted out and reliable sources provided, I think. Tad Lincoln (talk) 17:28, 9 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
It was in the tv address made by his father. Articles for tomorrow's papers that we can cite will no doubt appear within the hour. Jheald (talk) 17:29, 9 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
(edit conflict) @Effeietsanders: and @Tad Lincoln: The BBC source clearly says it and having watched it live, (WP:IKNOWIT notwithstanding), I will be happy to look for further in depth sources but the BBC source is reliable enough for now. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 17:30, 9 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
(edit conflict) Hull Live is one of a number that has the transcript up [3] and the relevant section is "Today, I am proud to create him Prince of Wales, Tywysog Cymru, the country whose title I have been so greatly privileged to bear during so much of my life and duty." Timrollpickering (talk) 17:32, 9 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
By all means stick a citation needed flag on it then. But it’s happening, reliable sources will come and there’s no need to argue for arguments sake Davethorp (talk) 17:53, 9 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
This is nothing to do with arguing "for arguments sake". There's no reason we couldn't have waited for reliable sources to be available before making these changes. Tad Lincoln (talk) 17:56, 9 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Why wait? It had been announced. What purpose would waiting serve exactly Davethorp (talk) 18:00, 9 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Reuters just said it too. God bless William, the Prince of Wales. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 17:33, 9 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
"Today, I am proud to create him Prince of Wales, Tywysog Cymru, the country whose title I have been so greatly privileged to bear during so much of my life and duty." (Source). 101090ABC (talk) 17:35, 9 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The official Twitter account has been updated: https://twitter.com/kensingtonroyal. 2A02:2121:28C:3D4F:A878:61D7:C8D6:78D3 (talk) 17:36, 9 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

King Charles III made his son Prince of Wales. Offical instagram account was changed few seconds ago. Snake bgd 17:46, 9 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Great, those are in the past tense, so that's a helpful source indeed. Thank you. effeietsanders 18:07, 9 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Some sources

  • Charles III (9 September 2022), The King's Address, BBC One
  • "King Charles III, the new monarch". BBC News. 9 September 2022. Retrieved 9 September 2022. Prince William and his wife Catherine are now titled Duke and Duchess of Cornwall and Cambridge, and the king has conferred on them the title of Prince and Princess of Wales.
  • "Queen death - latest: William and Kate are made Prince and Princess of Wales by King Charles". The Independent. 9 September 2022. Retrieved 9 September 2022.
  • O'Leary, Abigail (9 September 2022). "King Charles makes William and Kate the Prince and Princess of Wales". The Mirror. Retrieved 9 September 2022.
  • "King Charles names William and Kate the Prince and Princess of Wales". Reuters. 9 September 2022. Retrieved 9 September 2022.
  • Furness, Hannah; Mendick, Robert (9 September 2022). "Royal title changes: William and Kate become Prince and Princess of Wales". The Telegraph. Retrieved 9 September 2022.
  • "Prince William and Duchess of Cambridge created Prince and Princess of Wales". ITV News. 9 September 2022. Retrieved 9 September 2022.
  • Lewis, Anna (9 September 2022). "King Charles confirms Prince William and Kate Middleton will become Prince and Princess of Wales". Wales Online. Retrieved 9 September 2022.
  • Chantler-Hicks, Lydia (9 September 2022). "William and Kate are now Prince and Princess of Wales, announces King Charles". Evening Standard. Retrieved 9 September 2022.
  • "William named the new Prince of Wales by King Charles III". BBC News. 9 September 2022. Retrieved 9 September 2022.

Semi-protected edit request on 9 September 2022 (6)

In titles and styles Duke of Rothesay has been repeated instead it has to be Earl of Chester 183.87.160.46 (talk) 17:50, 9 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The Prince of Wales

He isn't William, Prince of Wales. As a born prince of the UK, he is always entitled to Prince before his name. The title of this page should be The Prince of Wales. Styling him William, Prince of Wales is a weird masculine form of the style devised for his mother to use after her divorce. He's literally just The Prince of Wales the same way Princess Anne is simply The Princess Royal 2603:6080:2D40:606:E288:1EF5:4066:24A0 (talk) 17:57, 9 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

His father's page was also styled Charles, Prince of Wales prior to his ascension. If it comes to that, Princess Anne's page is Anne, Princess Royal. Making the page just "the Prince of Wales" would cause unneccessary confusion between the page for the title itself and that for the current bearer. 79.67.20.177 (talk) 18:09, 9 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I'm agree. There must be a margin of tolerance and common sense in the title of the pages, thinking about who will look for what and how. Sira Aspera (talk) 19:06, 9 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
If you feel the article should be somewhere else by all means make a move request. I however concur with the other comments. There is president from how His Royal Highness King Charles III was treated prior to his ascension Davethorp (talk) 19:25, 9 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
William has already become Prince of Wales? Informally, without the investiture as his father received the 26 july 1958? --Skyfall (talk) 21:14, 9 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Personal aide-de-camp

The article says that he "was" personal aide-de-camp to Queen Elizabeth. But in the lede, we still include the initials "ADC." Do we know if this usage is proper? It seems that as personal ADC to Queen Elizabeth he is no longer ADC after she dies and until and unless he is appointed personal aide-de-camp to King Charles? Absent a source, perhaps we should remove the initials from the lede? Jahaza (talk) 19:09, 9 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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