Talk:Antisemitism

Title "anti-Semitism" looks more academic

Did Wikipedia editors discuss why not call the article just "anti-Semitism" as Britannica? Are there present other academic sources calling that "Antisemism"? PoetVeches (talk) 18:41, 2 September 2022 (UTC)

This has been discussed at length here, and a consensus was reached that the unhyphenated term, which is increasingly being used by both academics and activists, was the appropriate usage in Wikipedia. RolandR (talk) 18:51, 2 September 2022 (UTC)

And note that this is a peculiarly English problem. Nearly every other Wikipedia uses an unhyphenated form - the only exceptions I could find were the Welsh and Irish language versions. RolandR (talk) 19:05, 2 September 2022 (UTC)

I found also on online Cambridge dictionary all the forms (antisemitism, also anti-Semitism, anti-semitism) so it looks no problem re academism. PoetVeches (talk) 19:16, 2 September 2022 (UTC)

Objections to the usage of this term as obsolete and exclusionary

Please add the following to the lede:

Objections to the usage of the term, such as the obsolete nature of the term "Semitic" as a racial term and the exclusion of discrimination against non-Jewish Semitic peoples, have been raised since at least the 1930s.

2601:547:B05:5F8:FD87:C7FB:46F1:6688 (talk) 01:38, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

References

This is covered in the second paragraph of the lead and more generally in Antisemitism#Etymology. Anything missing? Freelance-frank (talk) 01:54, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

No comment on including the proposed sentence verbatim, but I think the article could be more clear about the term "Semitic people". The sentence in the lead:

The root word Semite gives the false impression that antisemitism is directed against all Semitic people, e.g., including Arabs, Assyrians, and Arameans.

That itself seems to give a false impression that "Semitic people" is a contemporary term for a group that includes modern Arabs, Assyrians, and Arameans (it wouldn't make sense that it refers to ancient ones). The linked article says that it's an obsolete, racialized term from the 19th century, that is no longer considered valid, and is "largely unused", except as "'a kind of shorthand' for ancient Semitic-speaking peoples.". On the other hand, the Wiktionary link does indicate that a "Semite" may be "a member of a modern people that speak a Semitic language," and this is backed up by various other online dictionaries. So there's some contradiction between this sentence and the "Semitic people" article. The "Etymology" section here doesn't really cover whether "Semite/Semitic people" is current or obsolete. The "Usage" section does have some discussion about the modern usage of "Semitic" as a language group, and on the other hand the rejection of "Semitism" as having any validity. Maybe that's enough, but the sentence in the lead doesn't seem to correspond with either of those, and uses "Semitic people" in a way that is contradicted by the linked article. 77.191.177.249 (talk) 01:13, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

This sentence is contradictory - it (correctly) objects to the use of the term "Semitic" as an ethnic descriptor, and then does exactly what it has just objected to. RolandR (talk) 10:55, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

"Semites" and "anti" version are separate words. The former is obsolete. The latter is standard among scholars and experts in the 21st century. The latter is the topic of this article. See scores of cited uses in scholarly journals published in 2022 at this page. Rjensen (talk) 11:16, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

I saw that the proposed sentence is taken from Semitic people#Antisemitism, where it's been since 2016. The contradictory part "and the exclusion of discrimination against non-Jewish Semitic peoples" was added later, and isn't found in the cited sources; I made an edit request to remove it. Maybe there's some value in the citations though, and the idea of clarifying the status of the terms "Semitic people", "Semite", and "Semitism", regarding whether they are synonymous or not, and what their contemporary usage is, for example if "Semitism" is something different from "ancient Semitic peoples" or "modern Semitic-language speakers". 77.191.177.249 (talk) 01:37, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

Please note that I just removed the words "and the exclusion of discrimination against non-Jewish Semitic peoples" from Semitic people, responding to the IP's edit request. Rsk6400 (talk) 06:11, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

Thanks! 78.54.17.177 (talk) 15:54, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

Source for lead change

@Dottasriel2000, which source are you relying on for your inclusion of Abyssinians for your recent edit? I do not see it in Bein, the closest reference, nor do I see them mentioned elsewhere on the page. Freelance-frank (talk) 17:52, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

Antisemitism and xenophobia (anti-Polish sentiment)

It would be interesting to see the article explore the aspect where people, due to general xenophobic attitude are also classed as Jews and subjected to antisemitic abuse. For example, in the case of anti-Polonism (since Poland is a successor state to the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth in which most Jews lived in early modern era). This happened to Marie Curie who came from Warsaw (at the time a city with a very large Jewish population), and was subjected to antisemitic abuse. Is it possible that there is a link between Antisemitism and antipolonism? 51.155.213.25 (talk) 16:00, 19 November 2022 (UTC)