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: Hi. Is the right spelling Jeong Myeong Seok (Netflix series "In the Name of God: A Holy Betrayal") or Jung Myung-Seok (Wikipedia article)? [Just been watching the series]. [[User:Gill110951|Richard Gill]] ([[User talk:Gill110951|talk]]) 21:09, 13 March 2023 (UTC) |
: Hi. Is the right spelling Jeong Myeong Seok (Netflix series "In the Name of God: A Holy Betrayal") or Jung Myung-Seok (Wikipedia article)? [Just been watching the series]. [[User:Gill110951|Richard Gill]] ([[User talk:Gill110951|talk]]) 21:09, 13 March 2023 (UTC) |
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:Hi, I'm actually really glad that you decided to leave an explanation for your edit. While I understand the Korean cyber bullying culture and fear of social stigma, Wikipedia is fundamentally a place for factual documentation of events reported by media. I'm not sure if obfuscating Kyoungyoon's name serves any purpose when there are mentions of him on major news publications as shown below. |
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:https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/people/article/3212927/k-pop-singer-kyoungyoon-under-fire-his-parents-alleged-ties-convicted-rapists-cult-church |
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:https://koreajoongangdaily.joins.com/2023/03/08/entertainment/kpop/Korea-Kpop-Cult/20230308152325176.html |
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:https://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/art/2023/03/398_346952.html |
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:Rather than trying to remove any mention of notable members' past connection to the JMS, I think it's better to give information and context. |
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:One of the reasons why Kyoungyoon and tens of thousands of other JMS followers in Asia Pacific did not question JMS's claims of being persecuted by Korean authorities is because of the lack of information of JMS online (besides their own self-published materials). When I looked at the Providence page's history there appeared to be a concerted whitewashing efforts conducted by JMS followers. There's also a culture of distrust against the media and government in Korea so anonymous testimonials from former JMS members may not be taken seriously. |
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:If there were more verifiable information on the methods of indoctrination, perhaps less people would have stepped into this quagmire. [[User:Michi|Michi]] ([[User talk:Michi#top|talk]]) 05:13, 14 March 2023 (UTC) |
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- Hi Ipigott! Thanks for the welcome! I've added Phan Wait Hong, a Shanghai-born Singaporean Peking opera performer. I'm not too sure on the proper way to cite non-English sources here (do I have to translate/transcribe the words for the non-English articles/videos from reputable Asian news and government sources if I cite them). If you have time, I would truly appreciate feedback on the article. Michi (talk) 08:19, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
- You've done a pretty good job on Phan Wait Hong. The references also look fine to me but if you want to use sources from other languages you can add "language=X" as I have in the first one. I've also replaced the category "Woman" with others relating to her career as an actress. I've added the appropriate WiR template to the talk page. I look forward to many more along the same lines. Perhaps you would also like to start your user page.--Ipigott (talk) 15:32, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
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Hi, thanks for creating Claire Chiang. Please do take note of the close paraphrasing tag in the article. Bennv3771 (talk) 04:02, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
- Hi Bennv3771, thanks for looking at the article. Do you mean the entire article is close in content and structure to the SWHF article? Will appreciate suggestions. I believe the swhf.sg article is actually based on the Infopedia article, which in turn, is based on this 1993 article that I'm unable to access at the moment. So I've cited the 2016 Straits Times article (which I assume is using facts from the 1993 interview) and SWHF for the portion on her early life. There's more personal information in the Her World article but I thought it was way too detailed for WP. The career portion is based on a few of her corporate/organisation titles, I'm not sure how to rephrase that.
- SWHF (from Infopedia and other sources)
- "Born in 1951, Claire Chiang was the youngest and only daughter of six children of an accountant father and a mother who did odd jobs. The family lived in a shophouse on Race Course Road and the limited space meant Claire had to share a room with five brothers and her paternal grandmother."
- "Graduating in 1974 with a Sociology degree from the University of Singapore, she was initially a sociology tutor and then, having moved to Hong Kong with her husband in 1978, she conducted research on factory women and got a master’s degree in Sociology from the University of Hong Kong in 1985. For four years between 1990 and 1994, Claire was a research sociologist at the National University of Singapore"
- Infopedia (Early life based on various Straits Times articles, mostly from the 1993 one.)
- "Chiang spent her childhood in a shophouse on Race Course Road in Little India – a home she shared with 11 other Hainanese family members. She is the youngest and only daughter, together with five boys. Her father worked as an accountant, while her mother took on various odd jobs... she was enrolled in two primary schools – Nan Hua Chinese School and Raffles Girls’ School. "
- "She was a tertiary-level sociology tutor and then research sociologist from the late 1970s to early 1990s."
- 100 Inspiring Rafflesians, 1823-2003 (Based on Interview + National Archives/Straits Times)
- By Guan Heng Tan https://books.google.com/books?id=fQk_6OEgDmQC&lpg=PA37&pg=PA37#v=onepage&q&f=false
- Straits Times 2016 article
- "Ms Chiang, the youngest among six children in a lower-middle-class family, attended two primary schools at the behest of her "kiasu" mother - Nan Hua Primary School in the morning and Raffles Girls' Primary School in the afternoon."
- "It was her accountant father who nurtured her love for reading."
- "She grew up in a two-room apartment in Race Course Road."
- "She studied sociology at the then University of Singapore, and moved on to complete a master's in translation at the Sorbonne University in Paris."
- Hey, thanks for taking the time to address this. I'm referring to specific phrases that are lifted from their sources. E.g. "an accountant father and a mother who did odd jobs."[1] As you can see, the swhf and infopedia sources both convey the same information (i.e. her father was an accountant and her mother did odd jobs), but phrase it in their own words, which is what we should do on Wikipedia as well. You can use the earwig tool to see the similarities between certain phrases in the Wikipedia article and external sources. Bennv3771 (talk) 08:21, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
- I've changed certain parts of the article and removed the close paraphrasing tag. Feel free to improve upon what I wrote. Bennv3771 (talk) 09:24, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
- Thanks for the reply! Yikes I didn't realised the parents' parts were exact words. And the earwig tool is a godsend. Thanks again. Michi (talk) 10:57, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
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Jang Myung-seok - Growing the Providence movement from jail (2008 – 2018)
Hello. As the case is sensitive and highly sensationalized, I hope you would consider opting out the victim's name in your latest edit (3rd paragraph) as it'll prompt more ridicule and scrutiny and encourage victim blaming of the person. You may mention the recent interview while not mentioning the victim's name. I hope you understand. Thank you. Heymikky (talk) 15:21, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
- Hi. Is the right spelling Jeong Myeong Seok (Netflix series "In the Name of God: A Holy Betrayal") or Jung Myung-Seok (Wikipedia article)? [Just been watching the series]. Richard Gill (talk) 21:09, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
- Hi, I'm actually really glad that you decided to leave an explanation for your edit. While I understand the Korean cyber bullying culture and fear of social stigma, Wikipedia is fundamentally a place for factual documentation of events reported by media. I'm not sure if obfuscating Kyoungyoon's name serves any purpose when there are mentions of him on major news publications as shown below.
- https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/people/article/3212927/k-pop-singer-kyoungyoon-under-fire-his-parents-alleged-ties-convicted-rapists-cult-church
- https://koreajoongangdaily.joins.com/2023/03/08/entertainment/kpop/Korea-Kpop-Cult/20230308152325176.html
- https://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/art/2023/03/398_346952.html
- Rather than trying to remove any mention of notable members' past connection to the JMS, I think it's better to give information and context.
- One of the reasons why Kyoungyoon and tens of thousands of other JMS followers in Asia Pacific did not question JMS's claims of being persecuted by Korean authorities is because of the lack of information of JMS online (besides their own self-published materials). When I looked at the Providence page's history there appeared to be a concerted whitewashing efforts conducted by JMS followers. There's also a culture of distrust against the media and government in Korea so anonymous testimonials from former JMS members may not be taken seriously.
- If there were more verifiable information on the methods of indoctrination, perhaps less people would have stepped into this quagmire. Michi (talk) 05:13, 14 March 2023 (UTC)