Talk:Leelah Alcorn

Southbound?

The article says she was walking southbound on I-71 before she was struck near the South Lebanon exit, but the South Lebanon exit is north of Kings Mills? Either there should be some clarification here or it's wrong. QoopyQoopy (talk) 17:01, 13 November 2021 (UTC)

The source appears to be saying that the truck which struck her was traveling southbound. This should definitely be fixed. --Equivamp - talk 17:51, 13 November 2021 (UTC)

its Leia Alcorn, not leelah alcorn

hi, used to come to our support group in cincinnati. she named herself after princess Leia. leelah alcorn is a deliberate mispelling. it was a fem version of her dead middle name. understand the definition of terf is one who premeditatedly inserts themselves into positions of power above us to harm or deny access. it is not the bear makn issues over bathrooms, it requires an activist component. these terf think their saving the world everytime they kill a trans kid. my ex-dr of 6 yrs, sarah pickle, is one such terf; guised as a hormone provider in cincinnati to manipulate social concensus surrounding leia alcorns suicide, she came for that reason only. i know all this because i meet leia, i did sound for the 2nd and 3rd memorials.i helped the founder of heartland trans wellness (Jac) keep that organization a trans focused resource (when sellbach and kabanoff tried to turn it into an lgbt center.) i was also targeted for holding keys to trans healthcare (if you google medical necessity of electrolysis, ill be the first thing pops up, the powerpoint , wordpress , fundraiser.) and keys to outright birth certificate corrections, not the ACLUs amendment that still outs us in any background check whatsoever. see theve developed themselves a mob hierarchy within the BDSM scene, picking up menard cult theory, working off protestant catholism, named Hellfyre (everything on fetlife with the name Sincinnati is part of them, including club Sinday in middletown an the playspace that closed last yr after my statehouse speech was played on NPR) dr sarah pickle was the access point to a heart surgeon who performed an experimental surgery on a trans sub 20 yrs ago. the surgeon won acclaim for inventing a trick of stopping the heart befor it was approved by the FDA. she told me he lost his job last yr [2020] over refusal to take a covid vaccine (though told by sarah its cause he came forward about the dog he practiced on first) black heaveyset keloid scars pilots liscence originally from NY (supposedly from christ heart center. he threatened my life. they pull kidneys an guinie pigs from the disabled an poor at the central clinic, for the UC medical arts building that is their landlords, though central acts without any oversight from UC autonomously. for 12k you can sell a kidney apparently. they dont do the surgerys in a hospital, they did them in a basement of a house they burned down last month [nov2021] to cover the evidence in franklin township ohio. i used details of that heart surgery, as told me by the sub they performed it on when i was being inducted (one of evelyn heffliners clients 2016, we had a pilot trans group at central), during my statehouse speech interjection of the 2020 ohio barbering bill, towards the end to express fear. yes im the trans kid who took out the speaker of the ohio house over the nuclear buyout in cleveland at gunpoint, deplatformed dave chappelle, an herald the end of the world in a theatric manor, while deregulating the hardest state to work in for any hair related field. i was there due to overegulation on the field of cosmetic therapy (electrolysis hair removal, as ive won 99+hrs of face and genital work under medicaid but cant find a provider in state willing too, so i have to become the missing component; the state is denying trans people surgery by denying us the preop). the sub wrecked their black mazda on the cinci/nky loop 2016 an went to prison with the scars from the heart surgery on their chest to prove everything. their domme is Heather, a cinci state student ambassador 2016 in clifton. they lived in NKY at the time i knew them in an apartment, shes originally from illinois. heather has an anesthesiologist brother in another state they utilize. they had a storage locker an knew the owner. im since been studied intently by various groups including the mob. was told by sarah pickle, after the buyouts the threats an the blackmail didnt work, that i would be framed or murdered if i didnt leave state an go offgrid. Sarah is admin at university of cincinnati and planned parenhood sw ohio. a legislative aid to aAntonio who pushed the fairness act which didnt cover trans at all in its conception, she worked at both [2016]central clinic and mark donovans office in urology, shes bigboned, only one person will fit that work history...this pack of terf use "tactical aquisition" on their targets and in their manipulations learned in the navy. the highway memorial was a way to deliberatly "rename" Leia alcorn so as to detract from her impact. if leia is the resistance, all the trans organizations in cincinnati are the empire.. they made a fake profile for officer Angela Vance who released leias' suicide note (that wasnt sellbach) on linked in. according to her partner now acting LGBT liason officer, Angela never has or will be on social media. they use a black girl who was recipient of the UC buyout when their cops killed that black man, she bought a gold grandam with it, shes who cut the brakes on the NKY amazon distrbution centers trans couple, worked there for the sole reason of targetting them. she also loosened bolts on my transmission and followed me waiting for my car to flip in a shelter in columbus she business being at. im attempting to come forward for the health and safety of a community ill never know. my lifes in danger but so is everyone else. im kittysbelle on wordpress — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.164.69.53 (talk) 18:16, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

I'm not going to read all of this (and it's very unlikely anyone will), but article titles use the the name by which the subject is most commonly known, which in this case is "Leelah". – Arms & Hearts (talk) 17:34, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

?????? QoopyQoopy (talk) 03:25, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

Alright, most of this is incomprehensible so I'm just addressing the name thing - do you have a public source for that, and how the hell did she get to a support group??? Her parents tried to cut off her access to anything gender-affirming, as shown by the existing article and many Tumblr posts. QoopyQoopy (talk) 03:36, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

Also her dead middle name was Ryan QoopyQoopy (talk) 00:33, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

Deadname 2

I think for respect to the mother and the family (ct. from the mother: "My sweet 16-year-old son, Joshua Ryan Alcorn" his original name should be shown at the beginning near the birth date and the other name (as "born as Joshua Ryan Alcorn"). Legally speaking he never changed his name on his documents with his parents consent and he was considered a boy until his death. The fact that someone doesn't like it doesn't change the reality and the original name should be there at the beginning of the page as it is with other categories of people who change names or have nicknames. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.39.220.187 (talk) 17:00, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

We don't do things "out of respect". The sources says that Leelah identified as female and that's what we go by. We're certainly not going to deadname her and use the wrong pronouns because her family couldn't accept her. That's for them to deal with. We only go by what the sources say. freshacconci (✉) 18:00, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

See also MOS:GENDERID, our guideline on this subject. – Arms & Hearts (talk) 21:12, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

What sources? 170.39.242.46 (talk) 20:30, 11 April 2023 (UTC)

Well, her suicide note is referenced as a source, so I'm assuming that that would probably be source enough. Most sources would have her identifying as female, any that identify her as male would just most likely be considered less reputable. RaptorGirl97 (talk) 20:51, 11 April 2023 (UTC)

Her parents are a big part of the reason she killed herself... they don't deserve any respect in that regard. RaptorGirl97 (talk) 20:43, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

"I think for respect to the mother" Why would we respect an asshole and abusive mother, instead of the dead woman? Dimadick (talk) 11:06, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

Deadname 3

I know this has been talked about before, but it appears that her deadname is not shown because she was never known by that name, however, this makes little sense and is not consistent with other Wikipedia articles. For example, Bill Clinton was born William Blythe III, although he was never known by this name nor did he ever call himself 'Blythe' as he assumed the surname Clinton as a baby, his birth name is still rightfully listed on his Wikipedia article. Therefore, I think her deadname should be mentioned, either in her infobox or in the early life passage. —Derpytoucan (talk) 18:07, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

The article at present seems to comply with MOS:GENDERID, Wikipedia's guideline on the subject. Do you think it fails to comply with the guideline or that there's an ambiguity here? – Arms & Hearts (talk) 17:51, 12 January 2023 (UTC)

It says that she was never known by her birth name, yet her birth name was a pretty notable part of the issue, especially since it is the name her parents used on the controversial media posts. That, plus it would be less confusing for readers to have a uniform standard for articles (even though it isn't necessary). Derpytoucan (talk) 19:32, 13 January 2023 (UTC)

@Derpytoucan: The uniform standard is the guideline linked above, as far as I can tell, which doesn't make any exceptions for cases where the deadname's widely discussed. In this case, given that this article complies with the guideline, it's probably unlikely that it'll be changed to not comply with he MoS. But you're welcome to begin a request for comment. – Arms & Hearts (talk) 17:04, 14 January 2023 (UTC)

"Josh Alcorn" listed at Redirects for discussion

The redirect Josh Alcorn has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 May 5 § Josh Alcorn until a consensus is reached. Meters (talk) 03:26, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

"Assigned male"

The topic was born a male. 137.118.161.59 (talk) 22:45, 20 June 2023 (UTC)