User talk:Pbritti

An article needs help

My dear Roman friend,

Hope all is well. I recently came across St. Thomas Cathedral Basilica, Chennai. The article is in dismal state– large sections with no references, pictures all over the place, and the prose isn't cohesive. Judging by the {{Copyedit}} template at the top, I think the article has been in such bad state for more than half a year. However, the article is of great importance: the cathedral is likely where Thomas the Apostle is buried, and it has over 400 visits per day.

I am thinking about a total revamp of the article. I looked for some texts today, and I found the following book to be available online. I think it will be highly useful.

• Nagy, Thomas Charles (2017). Catholic Shrines in Chennai, India: The politics of renewal and apostolic legacy. Routledge. ISBN 978-1-4724-8516-8.

I also think the following book could be important in providing context, but I don't have one at hand:

• Robinson, Rowena (2003). Christians of India. London: Sage. ISBN 978-0761998228.

If you have any ideas or would like to work on the article, please don't hesitate to let me know. I hope your collection of books might be of some assistance. Since the current sanctuary of the cathedral was built under British control, maybe some histories on British colonialism in Southern India could also be helpful.

I will also raise this task to Uriel1022.

Cheers, -- TheLonelyPather (talk) 21:38, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

@TheLonelyPather: I'll gladly help if I can. I may not get to this in the next 24 hours–other obligations on here and offline–but if you find me on here later this and I haven't shown up to chip in, please ping me again. I'm willing to wager some of my personal library has information on this, so I'm optimistic that I can contribute some otherwise not publicly accessible details. ~ Pbritti (talk) 22:38, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

@Pbritti: :)) TheLonelyPather (talk) 18:44, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

@TheLonelyPather: Hey! Been doing some additional reading in an attempt to find more about the claims about St. Thomas being buried there but have had remarkably little success. Usually, Donald Attwater's stuff has at least something; no dice this time. I'll try to locate at least one new source before I contribute anything to the text, but I have taken the liberty of expunging information from the lead that I could not verify. See you on there more this weekend, hopefully. ~ Pbritti (talk) 20:24, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

Dear Pbritti: Thank you for your effort! Unfortunately I will need to focus on my work more and minimize my wiki devotion until the beginning of August. I appreciate you being responsible to this, but please don't over-exert yourself on this article. I will put more work into it when August begins. Cheers, -- TheLonelyPather (talk) 21:42, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

@TheLonelyPather: Of course, please prioritize your off-wiki life! I hope that, when you have the time, you return to see great changes made! ~ Pbritti (talk) 21:58, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you so much for your work on the Masliah Gaon article for "Did you know..." So appreciated Nashelskeryid (talk) 18:56, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

@Nashelskeryid: My pleasure! Some teamwork from other kind editors have helped the article you created blossom. Excellent work! ~ Pbritti (talk) 20:20, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

Re: Religion in the Philippines

I do not intend to engage in an edit war but I really found it unsettling that in this article all the controversies about the Iglesia ni Cristo, even if they are cited from reputable sources. I in particular have taken notice about the sources as they have shown a bias against the organization even when those allegations have already been answered to in the proper forum, and in the said Wikipedia article those controversies have been specifically mentioned while the more recent ones surrounding other churches, including but not limited to Apollo Quiboloy's cases in the United States have not been mentioned. In the spirit of fairness all I ask is to apply fair treatment to all the religions and I fear that the Iglesia ni Cristo might be singled out in bad faith. Please take my concerns about potential impartiality with careful consideration. Thank you. Vgyu 01:36, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

@Vgyu: Please use article talk pages to discuss article-specific content. I have looked into this and, after careful consideration, determined your deletion of sourced content is inappropriate. ~ Pbritti (talk) 04:39, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

I will dispute your assertion that my deletion of those content are inappropriate, the cited sources have clear biases but I will not press the matter any further. Vgyu 04:50, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/AlisonW closed

The arbitration case Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/AlisonW has been closed, and the final decision is viewable at the case page. The following remedy has been enacted:

• For failure to meet the conduct standards expected of an administrator, AlisonW's administrative user rights are removed. She may regain them at any time via a successful request for adminship.

For the Arbitration Committee, Dreamy Jazz ^{talk to me | my contributions} 17:45, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

Discuss this at: Wikipedia talk:Arbitration Committee/Noticeboard#Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/AlisonW closed

Thanks

I don't know if you saw this, but I think I answered your concerns at Template:Did you know nominations/Pico Sacro. Can you please move that forward?--evrik ^(talk) 02:10, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

@Evrik: Thanks for the notice! I'll take a close look today, but the Pico Sacro definitely got some changes. Looking forward to approving. ~ Pbritti (talk) 16:24, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

DYK for Scottish Prayer Book (1637)

On 23 July 2023, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Scottish Prayer Book (1637), which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that because of violent reactions – such as Jenny Geddes's on 23 July 1637 (pictured) – to a Scottish prayer book, Walter Whitford kept loaded pistols visible to his congregants while using the book? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Scottish Prayer Book (1637). You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Scottish Prayer Book (1637)), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

RoySmith (talk) 00:02, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

Hi Pbritti, you got it on the anniversary date! well-done; was a fun article to review. I've been to St Giles, but before they put the stool monument up. Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 19:15, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

@Mr Serjeant Buzfuz: Interesting! I only recall a plaque from when I visited years ago, but part of that might be that I don't exactly recall if I went in (I was there for the Tattoo and Fringe in '18). All the more reason to go back, I suppose. I'm glad you enjoyed the article! ~ Pbritti (talk) 20:41, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

We were there in 2007; long time ago. I'd like to go back for the Tattoo someday. Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 21:27, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

All things dealing with Saint James' Day

Saints Star Award

		The Saint's Star Award
		Thanks for the help with the All things dealing with Saint James' Day andDYK on 25 July, 2023

--evrik (talk) 05:56, 24 July 2023 (UTC)

		The Galicia Barnstar of National Merit
		Thanks for the help with the All things dealing with Saint James' Day andDYK on 25 July, 2023
		this WikiAward was given to Pbritti by --evrik (talk) on 05:56, 24 July 2023 (UTC)

--evrik ^(talk) 05:56, 24 July 2023 (UTC)

@Evrik: This is awful kind of you. Please enjoy a well-deserved rest in honor of St. James and his dragon-fighting apostles! ~ Pbritti (talk) 05:58, 24 July 2023 (UTC)

Concert

More on the concert - you asked - is on User:Gerda Arendt/Images 2023#27 Jul (only two of five groups of songs have an article, even in German, -- more work), and there will be another one tomorrow. -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:43, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

Greatly looking forward to it. You're the only regular article creator I make a point of reading. Thank you for everything you do, Gerda Arendt—you play a major role in this project. ~ Pbritti (talk) 22:56, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

July songs

my story today

blushing, - that's great to wake up to! - Yes, on my talk, you'll see what happened, but with the link, you can even look forward. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:10, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

Thank you! ~ Pbritti (talk) 15:56, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

Today I remember Jahrhundertring, and I'm listening to Götterdämmerung from the Bayreuth Festival (pictured), - the image (of a woman who can't believe what she has to see) features also on the article talk. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:48, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

That is truly a captivating image. I'll be looking at the English translation! ~ Pbritti (talk) 21:27, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

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August 2023

Hello, I'm Toddy1. I noticed that you recently removed content from Ahmedabad‎ without adequately explaining why. You also introduced a spelling error "carhedra". In the future, it would be helpful to others if you described your changes to Wikipedia with an accurate edit summary. If this was a mistake, don't worry; the removed content has been restored. If you would like to experiment, please use your sandbox. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave a message on the article talk page. Thanks.-- Toddy1 (talk) 06:10, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

@Toddy1: Hi! I would strongly discourage you from templating the regulars, particularly when there is an edit summary present. If you notice a typographical error, typically you can just ask in either the reverting edit summary for further clarification or when opening a talk page discussion. In this case, you restored a misnomer: "Latin Rite" is a redirect to Latin liturgical rites, an article on a large ritual family; the relevant article regarding the jurisdictional realities involved is Latin Church (complicated by "Latin Rite" often being used to describe the "Latin Church"). In any case, the material I adjusted might not warrant inclusion in the article, anyway, as it originates from a user-created website generally appraised as a blog in terms of quality. ~ Pbritti (talk) 06:15, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

Syro Malabar Leaders

A difficult discussion. Special thanks to Jahaza for searching for and finding material when I hit a wall on my googling

Both of these are leaders and contributed to the community. What is the dispute? One reference I removed because of this conversation - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Viewmont_Viking#Nasrani131_-_Syro_Malabar_Church Joseph J. Palackal, expert in Syriac/Suriyani music, revived interest in ancient Syriac music and tunes Palakunnel Valiyachan, who defended the East Syriac tradition of the Mar Thoma Nasranis. His journal Nalagamam (Diary) which is a source of history. 24.229.242.8 (talk) 16:07, 4 August 2023 (UTC) Nasrani131 (talk) 16:11, 4 August 2023 (UTC) @Nasrani131: Hello! Funnily enough, I just posted to your talk page regarding copyright for some the images you've uploaded; if you want, we can discuss that here, too. With respect to Viewmont Viking (mentioning to notify of discussion), I disagree with them on the inclusion of Palackal to the list of prominent Syro-Malabar Catholics. In Palackal's article, his membership in the Syro-Malabar Catholic Church is unreferenced—please see Wikipedia's policies on verifiability and biographies of living persons. Additionally, what information is referenced in his article does not come from independent, reliable sources. There is no indication that Palackal is more notable than the many bishops that are not listed in the article, and what we do have comes from sources which do not meet Wikipedia's standards for independence, reliability, or neutrality. The same can be said of including Valiyachan. ~ Pbritti (talk) 16:23, 4 August 2023 (UTC) Hey PBritti - Joseph Palackal is a Syro Malabar community member. If you see his article, he is mentioned as belonging to C.M.I congregation. C.M.I is the first Syro Malabar infigenous congregation for priests. Please refer here - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carmelites_of_Mary_Immaculate Nasrani131 (talk) 16:29, 4 August 2023 (UTC) The canon law in this area is still moving around quite a bit. At one time, it would have been likely that a member of a clerical religious congregation had transferred to the sui iuris church to which that congregation belonged, however, in the 20th century, it became common for those entering an institute of consecrated life to receive an indult of accommodation rather than a transfer of rite. It seems like this should be a fairly straightforward thing to find a source for, but sometimes things that are too obvious are hard to cite. Jahaza (talk) 19:58, 4 August 2023 (UTC) I would call this[1] a reliable source for his canonical affiliation. Jahaza (talk) 20:00, 4 August 2023 (UTC) Joseph Palackal has uniquely influenced the Syro Malabar diaspora in reviving the ancient Syriac chants and to me he is prominent that any unemntioned bishops in a unique way. Nasrani131 (talk) 16:30, 4 August 2023 (UTC) @Nasrani131: I'm seeing multiple issues here. The first is that almost every link on the article for Palackal is dead (specifically, 404ing). I think most of this information can be found at this link, so I would encourage you to cut your teeth a bit on learning to cite by adding citations from the above link to his article. The second issue is that nowhere is it explicitly stated that he is Syro-Malabar. While this seems like no problem—it's a Syro-Malabar group, so wouldn't all its members be Syro-Malabar?—the nuances of Catholic canonical identity complicate that. Sometimes, for example, Jesuits (a Latin Church society) are canonically Russian Greek Catholics. If we don't have definitive and explicit mention of him being Syro-Malabar, he likely does not merit encyclopedic references as a prominent Syro-Malabar. Additionally, his lack of reference in independent, secondary sources indicates that, while he may be notable enough for an article on Wikipedia, it is unlikely he is prominent enough to warrant inclusion on a list of prominent Syro-Malabar ahead of dozens of figures who have received far more significant and lengthy coverage. If we're aiming for a diversity of figures represented in the list, he doesn't add that: lay men are already featured on the list while no women—religious or otherwise—are. ~ Pbritti (talk) 16:43, 4 August 2023 (UTC) Hey PBritti...while I agree that we can add more references, but being Syro Malabar can be achieved by converting into, but a person who is born into an Eastern rite is always part of that rite (per Vatican). From the reference cited above, Palackal is from this parish - St. Mary's Forane Church, Pallippuram , Cherthala ( Archdiocese of Ernakulam-Angamaly). Dr. Palackal hails from the family of Palackal Thoma Malpan (ca. 1780-1841) the co-founder of CMI Congregation. I would suggest you agree to add him on the main page. After that we would dicsuss about Valyachan. Nasrani131 (talk) 16:57, 4 August 2023 (UTC) @Nasrani131: First off, but a person who is born into an Eastern rite is always part of that rite is incorrect: a fellow editor and I were recently discussing a perfect example of this off-wiki: see Albert Bahhuth, a Melkite-turned-Latin just consecrated as an auxiliary bishop in LA. I remain thoroughly unconvinced that there is enough prominence here. ~ Pbritti (talk) 17:07, 4 August 2023 (UTC) A religious person can be biritual. It happens in Syro Malabar also - but it doesnt take away the sui iris into which he was born. So even if Palackal is part of another sui iris (which he is not) he is Still Syro Malabar and also another sui iris. Refer this Canon Law - [NOTE: COPYRIGHTED MATERIAL REMOVED BY Pbritti AT 20:25, 4 August 2023 (UTC)] https://www.vatican.va/archive/cod-iuris-canonici/eng/documents/cic_lib1-cann96-123_en.html Nasrani131 (talk) 17:17, 4 August 2023 (UTC) And for the prominence part, reviving ancient Syriac tunes itself is enough for his prominence. Without him the Syro Malabar church would not have been able to reclain much of the lost tunes. Refer to the videos here - https://www.youtube.com/@TheCMSIndia Nasrani131 (talk) 17:23, 4 August 2023 (UTC) @Nasrani131: That's not what being "biritual" means—the bishop I just mentioned isn't canonically Melkite anymore. As best I can tell, you're leaning only on your personal view that Palackal is prominent, can't definitively say anything about him beyond what a non-independent source says, and may have committed a yet another copyright violation by copy-and-pasting all that to my talk page. ~ Pbritti (talk) 17:39, 4 August 2023 (UTC) All these links below refer to him. Please note that Purastya Vidya Peedam is the most reputed seminary for Syro Malabar priesthood. https://thetablet.org/syro-malabar-rite-will-conducts-dc-pilgrimage-d-c-shrine/ https://pvpkottayam.in/event/extension-lecture-by-rev-dr-joseph-palackal-cmi/ https://www.chaldeannews.com/2023-content/2023/7/1/the-aramaic-project https://syriacstudies.com/2017/11/17/the-syriac-chant-traditions-in-south-india-joseph-j-palackal/ http://www.archivioradiovaticana.va/storico/2015/08/06/fr_joseph__palackals_efforts_to_revive_syriac_chant_in_syro-malabar/en-1158467 Nasrani131 (talk) 17:50, 4 August 2023 (UTC) I will add all these links as well as reference. Shall I move Palackal to main page? Then we will discuss about Valyachan and the image. Nasrani131 (talk) 19:30, 4 August 2023 (UTC) @Nasrani131: I've requested a revision deletion of the copyrighted material you added to my talk page (@Jahaza: sorry, two of your edits are going to get caught in that dragnet). Further discussion on this can occur on Talk:Syro-Malabar Catholic Church, but to quickly say two things: Palackal being an especially prominent Syro-Malabar still has not been established. Fortunately, due to the Radio Vaticana and the Chaldean News pieces, I think we can definitely verify that Palackal is Syro-Malabar for his article. But, as the Chaldean News article notes, his activities have not be fully embraced by the Syro-Malabar Catholic Church. I worry that there is a serious neutrality issue in selecting him specifically as prominent. ~ Pbritti (talk) 20:36, 4 August 2023 (UTC) Dear Pbritti - not sure what more I can provide. Its not my opinion, but atleast due to the efforts he has put in the matter he is definitely a prominent Syro Malabar personality. Its not the success or failure that determine the person is worthy of prominent reference, rather that effort that has gone in some discipline.Can we agree to add him and move on? If there are further disputes we will review and remove him? Nasrani131 (talk) 20:48, 4 August 2023 (UTC) @Nasrani131: No, if you reinsert him, you will be in violation of WP:3RR. You have not provided a single source that identifies him specifically as a prominent figure within the Syro-Malabar Catholic Church. Considering your insistence on including him, your repeated copyright violations across both English Wikipedia and WikiMedia Commons, and your active evasion when it came to said copyright violations, I'm inclined to believe that there may be motivations to include Palackal that come from a WP:COI. ~ Pbritti (talk) 20:56, 4 August 2023 (UTC) hmm..its strange that people who belong to a community cannot really say about the people who are prominent or contribute to the community. Nasrani131 (talk) 21:05, 4 August 2023 (UTC) Anyways I leave it at it. In future you will have to retake your word and insistence to provide additional proofs on an intangible word like "prominence". Nasrani131 (talk) 21:06, 4 August 2023 (UTC) @Nasrani131: Wikipedia has a policy that defines the intangible word: WP:PROMINENCE. Please–please–review policy (a handy starter pack of them can be found at WP:FIVEPILLARS). Your repeated copyright violations, edit warring, and unwillingness to concede to policy put you in danger of sanctions on Wikipedia. You seem like a passionate contributor, so I want you to have the knowledge you need to stay as an editor on here for years to come. ~ Pbritti (talk) 21:13, 4 August 2023 (UTC) Library of congress - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geZHf05NyJo New commission from Syro Malabar Cardinal - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-h55fAU7r30 BTW I dont have any special interest in this case. Since I was met with much resistance from you on some trivial word I persisted to provide you with more proofs. This is potentially my last Wikipedia edit. I joined a day before thinking I could contribute to the knowledge base on my community for the future generations, but now I realize people seem to control the free flowing knowledge base with their limited world view. Good luck Wikipedia. Nasrani131 (talk) 21:28, 4 August 2023 (UTC) References

August music

August songs

my story today

My story today - a first - isn't about an article by me, but one I reviewed for DYK, see here. I like all: topic, "hook", connected article (a GA on its way towards FA), image and the music "in the background". I just returned from a weekend with two weddings, so also like the spirit ;) -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:12, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

Seems like a very passionate and ultimately tragic story. Here's to the two marriages you witnessed have happier endings! ~ Pbritti (talk) 22:45, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

Thank you, I wish them the same! - Again not by me, and tragic on a larger level: today's story - with the triumph of music over military - is uplifting! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:12, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

Now that is a more hopeful and rousing story. The besieged cities of World War II produced so many such stories of resiliency; I'm glad that Wikipedia preserves this particular one with such a well-executed and thoughtful article. Please always feel welcome to share more similar stories personally–I quite enjoy the tidbits you bring to my attention–and know I've added your stories to my watchlist lest I miss one! ~ Pbritti (talk) 21:18, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

Thank you, that's an honour! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:39, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

More pics uploaded, with wedding cakes - I couldn't resist. Today's story is about the Inkpot Madonna who returned to "her place" 9 years ago, and also has aspects of early learning, see? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:56, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

I had an assumption that had something to do with today's feast! ~ Pbritti (talk) 23:56, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

Right ;) - Today, my focus is on Renata Scotto, after days of updating. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:30, 20 August 2023 (UTC)

I had no idea Macbeth had been adapted to opera; remarkable range in character she demonstrated during her career. An excellent expansion. ~ Pbritti (talk) 15:58, 20 August 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for investigating! - Today is Debussy's birthday. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:24, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

Debussy! A favorite of a friend I'm actually about to call—a nice coincidence. I hope to have some biographies to share with you soon! ~ Pbritti (talk) 16:27, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

DYK for Daniels Park

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Your GA nomination of Book of Common Prayer (Unitarian)

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@Amitchell125: Excellent! I'm wrapping up my first review for the drive in the next few days, so expect me to be more responsive going into the weekend. ~ Pbritti (talk) 06:43, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

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@Amitchell125: Thank you for the exceedingly patient, courteous, and productive review. Truly was a painless experience with you and I appreciate your openness to engaging in your own digging that challenged my perspective! ~ Pbritti (talk) 15:14, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

Congrats! Jahaza (talk) 20:40, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

Dominican Rite

Hi @Pbritti, in my humble opinion, it would be useful to have a list of books dealing with the Dominican Rite. Ilcultoredarte (talk) 15:01, 20 August 2023 (UTC)

@Ilcultoredarte: I don't disagree! However, a bibliography section is a space for references utilized in the article; please place a Further reading section beneath the references if you wish to include additional resources for readers to consider looking at! Thank you. ~ Pbritti (talk) 15:55, 20 August 2023 (UTC)

@Pbritti, I understand the misunderstanding. For you Bibliography meant "sources", for me it meant "Further reading". Ilcultoredarte (talk) 16:26, 20 August 2023 (UTC)

@Ilcultoredarte: You're more than fine. On English Wikipedia, bibliography most typically refers to works written or published by an article's subject (eg listing the Summa in the Thomas Aquinas article). It less commonly refers to what we call "References". Due to its many meanings—such as suggested further readings—we distinguish the section for ancillary coverage unused in the article as "Further reading" or "External links" (depending on context). ~ Pbritti (talk) 17:46, 20 August 2023 (UTC)

DYK for Tweet Kimball

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		Hook update
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DYK for Cherokee Ranch petrified forest

On 21 August 2023, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Cherokee Ranch petrified forest, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Tweet Kimball lived in a castle, herded grand-champion cattle, and preserved a petrified forest? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Tweet Kimball. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Cherokee Ranch petrified forest), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Z1720 (talk) 00:03, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

An article needs a bit of a fix

My Catholic friend,

Hope all is well. I was looking into the page Woman of the Apocalypse, and its lede is not up to good standards. For example, the first paragraph reads:

The Woman of the Apocalypse (or the woman clothed with the sun, Greek: γυνὴ περιβεβλημένη τὸν ἥλιον; Latin: Mulier amicta sole) is a figure, mostly believed to be the Virgin Mary, (this interpretation is held by some commentators of the ancient Church), described in Chapter 12 of the Book of Revelation (written c. AD 95).

I wonder if you would like to give some time into rewriting the lede? I know that August 15 is Assumption day for you folks, so you might as well do it with great *veneration*.

Also, this article is peppered with parenthetical explanations. I can see that it would need a bit of clean-up in the future.

I am bringing this up because my Anglo-Catholic parish put in a Marian hymn for the offertory today. I don't know, I feel strange, my upper limit is the Angelus at the end of the solemn mass.

I hope you have a restful evening.

Cheers, -- TheLonelyPather (talk) 00:40, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

@TheLonelyPather: With great fondness for my fellow Christian and editor, I'll see what I can do to remedy the article. Thank you for drawing it to my attention! ~ Pbritti (talk) 01:04, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

Thank you–with great fondness too. -- TheLonelyPather (talk) 01:10, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

@TheLonelyPather: Just wanted to say I haven't forgotten your request, but I have had my mind in different places these last couple days. I will be making the relevant amendments today UTC! ~ Pbritti (talk) 04:43, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

No problem! You are doing better than I am. I am stuck in my research and only go to the Teahouse / AfD as a procrastination outlet. TheLonelyPather (talk) 12:39, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

DYK for William Maldon

On 22 August 2023, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article William Maldon, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that William Maldon learned to read, which resulted in him almost being killed by his father? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/William Maldon. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, William Maldon), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

—Kusma (talk) 00:03, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

		Hook update
		Your hook reached 16,234 views (676.4 per hour), making it one of the most viewed hooks of August 2023 – nice work!

GalliumBot (talk • contribs) (he/it) 03:27, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

August 2023

Hey! Pbritti, could you please review my draft Draft:Zauq E Naat. BrownCanary61 (talk) 08:30, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

@BrownCanary61: I have reviewed your draft and left comments there. ~ Pbritti (talk) 14:49, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

may i know why you have rejected sn reddy wikipedia this man is a big producer of indian movies most of his movies have wikipedia pages already made on wikipedia then why its page rejected Is सत्यम देवगन (talk) 05:55, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

SN Reddy Wikipedia related talking

may i know why you have rejected sn reddy wikipedia this man is a big producer of indian movies most of his movies have wikipedia pages already made on wikipedia then why its page rejected Is सत्यम देवगन (talk) 05:56, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

I think you have put this page in rejection without collecting information, you are requested to get the right information and do not put this page in rejection and make the page live as soon as possible सत्यम देवगन (talk) 06:00, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

@सत्यम देवगन: Hello! I did not reject your draft, but rather declined it in its current form. You are welcome to resubmit it, as you have already. However, you do not appear to have adjusted the draft to reflect my comments nor those of another editor. Please see my comments, repeated here: The sourcing here is unfortunately inadequate. Several of the sources appear to be promotional content, while another source is Wikipedia article. The draft lacks reliable sources. ~ Pbritti (talk) 06:16, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

Is Wikipedia not an acceptable source? सत्यम देवगन (talk) 06:20, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

@सत्यम देवगन: Correct. The policy behind not citing Wikipedia is found at WP:CIRCULAR. I can not locate sources on your behalf, but I can direct you to reading this policy page on understanding how to identify reliable sources. ~ Pbritti (talk) 06:29, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

Thank you very much for helping me, I will always be grateful to you big brother सत्यम देवगन (talk) 06:33, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

@सत्यम देवगन: No problem. Please note that I've added a notice to your talk page. If it does not pertain to you, please feel welcome to ignore it. ~ Pbritti (talk) 06:35, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

Thanks a lot brother, I will take note of the knowledge you have given. सत्यम देवगन (talk) 06:39, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

Regarding SN Reddy Wikipedia

you सत्यम देवगन (talk) 06:27, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

can you tell me which sources i put wrong so that i can improve सत्यम देवगन (talk) 06:27, 25 August 2023 (UTC)