Talk:Total Nonstop Action Wrestling

Article Split Proposal

Considering that Impact Wrestling is different ownership, branding, and presentation from TNA, Impact should be considered a successor promotion rather than a continuation of the same one. ECW and WCW for example have separate articles for both their original promotions and their WWE brands, even when WWE retained the brand names, contracts, similar presentations, championship lineages, and all rights and tape libraries. By comparison, TNA & Impact don't even nearly meet those criteria. I propose that the articles be split, with TNA's tenure from 2002-2017 being one article, and Impact Wrestling being considered a successor promotion from 2017 onward. Anthem's ownership is ostensibly a new company that only retains certain elements from the previous one. 2604:3D08:9582:900:8D83:CE69:F2C9:7944 (talk) 03:08, 9 March 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose. While it is true that there was a change in ownership and a new name and direction because of that, there is a greater continuity than not, and a continuous operation that is not really comparable to, say, ECW. It's an almost 20 year old promotion. There's going to be changes over time. We didn't split off the WWF from WWE, so I don't see the need to do that here. oknazevad (talk) 01:35, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

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Requested move 22 October 2023

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The result of the move request was: Not moved. Consensus not to move the article for now, but a new requested move can be opened when the WP:NAMECHANGE has taken place. (closed by non-admin page mover) SilverLocust 💬 08:26, 29 October 2023 (UTC)

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Impact Wrestling → Total Nonstop Action Wrestling – The return of the TNA branding has been announced starting in Hard to Kill 2024. KaiEnTai-DX-Fan (talk) 03:04, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

Wait until the event in question. DrewieStewie (talk) 07:06, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

In case the company changes its mind? Serouj2000 (talk) 10:55, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

Not even that, @Serouj2000: It’s mostly the principle that it’s not official until Hard to Kill commences. DrewieStewie (talk) 15:49, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

Ah Serouj2000 (talk) 19:03, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

I would also say wait until it's official next year. MushroomMan674 (talk) 11:02, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

• wait We have to do even more RMs for this article lol.LM2000 (talk) 12:36, 22 October 2023 (UTC)
• just like the others, wait --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 13:19, 22 October 2023 (UTC)
• Wait until the Hard to Kill pay-per-view, thought the lede should probably read "Impact Wrestling (stylized as IMPACT! Wrestling), currently rebranding to Total Nonstop Action Wrestling (TNA), is an American professional wrestling promotion based in Nashville, Tennessee. This would put the article in line with other Wikipedia articles for companies set to rebrand, like the page for Twitter prior to their switch to the "X" name. Mt.FijiBoiz (talk) 19:55, 22 October 2023 (UTC)
  • Comment - Honestly, I was about to mention that myself. ClarkKentWannabe (talk) 11:28, 23 October 2023 (UTC)
• Wait as per the others. oknazevad (talk) 00:12, 23 October 2023 (UTC)
• Wait - Still has 3 months worth of shows under the Impact name. The TNA name kicks in at Hard to Kill. Think of it like being president-elect...you're going in, but at a specific time, and until then the other guy is still in his term. Vjmlhds (talk) 00:20, 23 October 2023 (UTC)
• Wait - Isn't it usually protocol that the article name change happens once the company's name actually changes? Until then, we go with how the company currently identifies itself. ClarkKentWannabe (talk) 11:28, 23 October 2023 (UTC)
• Wait until further notice. This name must remain in place until Hard To Kill comes or something else happens. Fixer88 (talk) 01:57, 24 October 2023 (UTC)
• Comment I would not be opposed to the name being immediately changed upon the commencement of the event. DrewieStewie (talk) 19:26, 25 October 2023 (UTC)
• Wait Plans could change between now and Hard to Kill for whatever reason. I would not be opposed if you ultimately do decide to change the name. I'm suggesting restraint until things are permanent. FaithLehaneTheVampireSlayer 03:26, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

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So how about now

The final Impact Wrestling show has passed and since they are doing best of TNA next week so should we move this page now? 556TNA (talk) 23:41, 29 December 2023 (UTC)

Requested move 1 January 2024

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The result of the move request was: moved. looks like a clear consensus to move the page to TNA Wrestling (closed by non-admin page mover) Warm Regards, ZI Jony ^(Talk) 16:39, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

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Impact Wrestling → TNA Wrestling – Promotion going back to its old name, has already gone back to using the TNA name on their website Vjmlhds (talk) 23:22, 1 January 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Bensci54 (talk) 17:09, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

• Support Total Nonstop Action Wrestling The changeover has been made, and all advertising, websites, streaming app, etc, have taken on the new old name. Only thing that hasn't happened is the actual first event under the banner, which is only 12 days away.

And before anyone tries to bring up WP:COMMONNAME and WP:NAMECHANGES, it should be noted that a major part of the reason that they're reviving the TNA name (according to company president Scott D'Amore) is that the name was already still commonly used by the public even if they officially dropped it almost seven years ago. oknazevad (talk) 01:45, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

Addendum per LM2000's comments, we should spell out the acronym. oknazevad (talk) 20:33, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

• Question Shouldn't it be moved to Total Nonstop Action Wrestling?LM2000 (talk) 02:05, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

  • Support They have already used the TNA name and merch and promotional material for months, The only thing I would change it to move the page to Total Nonstop Action Wrestling and that it.

  556TNA (talk) 03:11, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

• I have the same question. No problem with the name, but TNA Wrestling or Total Nonstop Action Wrestling ?--HHH Pedrigree (talk) 12:18, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

  I think Total Nonstop Action Wrestling is the way to go. 556TNA (talk) 12:31, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

  I agree with this take. Smackdowner6549 (talk) 02:36, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

  I'd go with TNA Wrestling, as spelling it out would make the title of the article a real chore. Keep the titles as simple as possible. Vjmlhds (talk) 19:16, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

  Nah, spell it out like we do with the NFL, NHL, NBA, MLS, MLB, AEW, etc scotch. The only reason WWE's article is not spelled out is they stopped using the full version for public facing branding some years back (though it does remain "World Wrestling Entertainment" legally). oknazevad (talk) 20:30, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

  Meh...I guess so. Bottom line though, the article should be changed to at least Total Nonstop Action Wrestling, as the company itself has clearly "de-Impacted". Vjmlhds (talk) 23:42, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

  Need I remind you that before this page was moved to its current name of Impact Wrestling, the page's name was spelled out in full as Total Nonstop Action Wrestling? Of course it should go back to its former page name. I see no reason to simplify it as that pagename would just be redirected. Smackdowner6549 (talk) 02:38, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

• If the official name is Total Nonstop Action, use Total Nonstop Action. like any other promotion. I prefer Triple A, but the name is Lucha Libre AAA Worldwide, for example. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 22:22, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

• Okay, with everything said since I asked my question, I Support the move to Total Nonstop Action Wrestling.LM2000 (talk) 17:20, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

• Wait. This rebrand isscheduled to occur on January 13, moving the article before then is a clear violation of WP:CRYSTAL. 162 etc. (talk) 04:03, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

  Not WP:Crystal, as they've already changed everything on their website, their streaming channel (now called TNA+), and their championships. Vjmlhds (talk) 19:21, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

  The name change has already been done, as seen by all of their other media, including their website. January 13 is the date of the first event under the name, not the date they changed it.

  Funny, I feel like I already addressed this in my comment above. oknazevad (talk) 20:32, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

  It's January 15 now, the reverse rebrand has been official for a while Serouj2000 (talk) 06:19, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

• Support: the website and TNA's streaming service have already rebranded. The title should be Total Nonstop Action Wrestling too ♠JCW555 (talk)♠ 00:10, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

Support: They have already changed the name on their website, web shop (ShopTNA), and streaming platforms (TNA+), and are in the process of updating the usernames of their social media platforms. The display names have already been changed. Mechanical Elephant (talk) 19:05, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

So with all of this the page should be moved to Total Nonstop Action Wrestling by tomorrow or tonight. 556TNA (talk) 23:04, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

Wait/Comment While subsidiaries of the promotion have already returned to using the Total Nonstop Action Wrestling (TNA) name, like its website and streaming service, the promotion itself hasn't yet rebranded. This is occurring on January 13, and the name should be change to reflect that on January 13. Even the official IMPACTWRESTLING Twitter account states: "TNA is BACK on January 13 at Hard To Kill LIVE on PPV from the Palms in Las Vegas". (https://twitter.com/IMPACTWRESTLING/) This shows that promotion itself doesn't consider the name change to be official or consider TNA to be 'back' until January 13. Also, when the article name changes I feel that it should be to the promotion's full name "Total Nonstop Action Wrestling" rather than "TNA Wrestling". All major sports leagues have their full names as their article's title on Wikipedia. Dustin5StarMemphisoYeah0 (talk) 18:51, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Last night's episode of Impact was fully branded as TNA. Mind you, it was a "best of" show with historic highlights that were mostly from the original TNA period (one of the main reasons they are bringing back the name is that so much of the company's archive material already uses it), but they have actively and officially resumed the name. Hard to Lill is the first new event under the name, but that doesn't mean they haven't rebranded until then. No reason to wait. It just delays the inevitable because of a pedantry based on incorrect understanding of the facts. oknazevad (talk) 11:27, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

I watched Impact! last night and Tom Hannifan literally said during the broadcast "Welcome to TNA Wrestling Impact!. Tonight Total Nonstop Action Wrestling returns." So, I completely change my mind on the name change. That is proof that the promotion is using the "Total Nonstop Action Wrestling" name prior to January 13 for company itself rather than just its subsidiaries. I now support changing the article name to Total Nonstop Action Wrestling prior to January 13. I also feel that an immediate move to the TNA Impact! name over at the Impact! article is also needed. Dustin5StarMemphisoYeah0 (talk) 14:45, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

• Support either Total Nonstop Action Wrestling (1st choice) or TNA Wrestling (2nd choice). I don't think there's much utility in delaying the inevitable end of this process (which is to move somewhere; as D'Amore even said, the "TNA" name never went away) another week when they're already effectively prior to their first event under their new name. Sceptre (talk) 23:32, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

  Support Yeah stop wasting time and just move the page the rebrand is official. 556TNA (talk) 18:09, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

• Obvious support; just about everything from their website to their social media has already flipped back to the TNA name. You could wait until Hard to Kill (it's only under a week away) or until the next episode of Impact to see if they use the TNA name on that show if you want, but it seems like it wouldn't hurt if you made the change before then. MushroomMan674 (talk) 19:51, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

  Next week's show I heard is a preview of Hard to Kill so they will use the TNA name no doubt, So just make the change now and get it over. 556TNA (talk) 20:15, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

  Comment Well, today is the day, and the Hard to Kill pre-show is going on as I speak, so we might as well start ending the discussion. I would vote for Total Nonstop Action Wrestling by the way. MushroomMan674 (talk) 00:53, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

• Half Wait/Half Support Well, on one hand, the website has been re-branded as Total Nonstop Action Wrestling; their X account, (at)IMPACTWRESTLING, uses, as a profile picture, the TNA Wrestling logo; and as it's been pointed out by Dustin5Star, Tom Hannifan did indeed utter the phrase Welcome to TNA Wrestling Impact! on this past Thursday's Impact! episode as they were finishing up recapping Impact Wrestling in 2023. But, on the other hand, the bio section for their X account states TNA is BACK on January 13 at Hard To Kill LIVE on PPV from the Palms in Las Vegas.. So, honestly, I'd support either waiting until Jan. 13th OR changing the name of the article now. Now, as far as the article naming situation, I would support the stance of using their full name, Total Nonstop Action Wrestling, as that's what's been done with other companies that haven't gone full abbreviation for their public branding (like how WWE did). ClarkKentWannabe (talk) 07:00, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

  Yea, I would do it now considering that they have already rolled out most of the rebrand already and yes use the full name Total Nonstop Action Wrestling. 556TNA (talk) 15:39, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

  That’s because changing Twitter handles is just a massive pain. That’s literally the only reason they haven’t changed their Twitter/X 66.222.45.143 (talk) 22:54, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

Support Well, at this point, with Hard To Kill now over with, and the company full embracing the TNA (Wrestling) branding, I now fully support the article moving to the Total Nonstop Action Wrestling branding. ClarkKentWannabe (talk) 06:43, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

• Support the official rebranding seems to be complete based on the website with no mention/usasge of Impact anywhere.--Gri3720 (talk) 17:32, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

  Welp with all of this support i say we move the page now. 556TNA (talk) 18:06, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

Relisting comment: Various contributors suggested waiting until Jan 13 Bensci54 (talk) 17:09, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

It's time. Today is the day the page moves to Total Nonstop Action Wrestling. 556TNA (talk) 10:25, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

• Support Total Nonstop Action Wrestling. When the promotion's name had called Impact Wrestling, I had preferred to use the name TNA/Impact Wrestling and now I fully support the name changing back. -Fixer88 (talk) 23:53, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

  I stand with this decision. With the culmination of tonight's Hard to Kill event, I genuinely think it's about time that this page gets renamed back to Total Nonstop Action Wrestling. Smackdowner6549 (talk) 04:12, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

  Support. The Hard To Kill PPV has come and gone. The name change is no longer in dispute. The name of this article should be changed to Total Nonstop Action Wrestling. All other Impact-related pages with pending name changes should also have their article names changed to reflect the return to the TNA name. Dustin5StarMemphisoYeah0 (talk) 04:45, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

• Support The PPV that just passed confirmed the company is now to be called TNA Wrestling, Time to change it without delay. FaithLehaneTheVampireSlayer 05:15, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

  So how can this page be moved 556TNA (talk) 18:12, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

  I'll drop a note at WP:RM requesting an admin to move it. oknazevad (talk) 18:14, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

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Move page Impact Wrestling back to already existing redirected page TNA Wrestling 14 January 2024

Move page Impact Wrestling back to already existing redirected page TNA Wrestling due to the company name Impact Wrestling being reverted back to TNA Wrestling aka Total Nonstop Action Wrestling (TNA). 2600:1004:B23D:AF19:0:25:E618:A001 (talk) 20:47, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

I kinda did that, only using the full spelled out name, as that too was a redirect. Vjmlhds (talk) 04:03, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

Please do not do what essentially is a cut-and-paste move. – robertsky (talk) 06:17, 15 January 2024 (UTC)