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Category:Paintings on gold backgrounds

Propose merging Category:Paintings on gold backgrounds to Category:Gold objects

Nominator's rationale: Is this really defining? Mason (talk) 14:35, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Strong keep Put simply - yes it IS DEFINING. Whyever not? Strongly oppose the merge target too. Listifying would be better than a bad merge. These are NOT "gold objects", but made of wood, plaster etc with a tiny amount of gold leaf, though this has a dramatic effect on their appearance. Johnbod (talk) 14:41, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep and move to Category:Gold-ground paintings for consistency with our article Gold ground, and remove List of gold glass portraits from the category. Ham II (talk) 15:07, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'd accept that, but I think the term Gold ground is not very familiar to the general reader, so would prefer it stays where it is. Johnbod (talk) 19:04, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As written it sounds more like a description of painting with a specific color background. Honestly, I probably woundn't have nominated it if it were called gold-ground, as that at least makes it a little clearer than this is an actual thing rather than a categorization by color. I think we could also move the category higher up to paintings by medium or something like that. Mason (talk) 21:48, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'd also say that Category:Gold objects already has 11 sub-cats, some very big, and 106 articles, so diffusion is very good. Johnbod (talk) 19:06, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Johnbod. Of course it is defining. Obvious what makes these works stand-out from other paintings. Randy Kryn (talk) 11:11, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Rename to Category:Gold-ground paintings per Ham II. I realize that the new title is not "very familiar to the general reader", but our titling WP:CRITERIA call for the title to be recognizable to someone familiar with, although not necessarily an expert in, the subject area, not someone on the street. House Blaster (talk · he/him) 19:23, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Rename to Category:Gold ground paintings per above. Weakly prefer "gold ground" with a space rather than a dash since the article says both forms can be used as an adjective and that directly matches the article. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 21:02, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Murdered CIA agents

Propose renaming Category:Murdered CIA agents to Category:Murdered CIA officers

Nominator's rationale: More accurate. Agents refers to someone recruited to spy, rather than an agent handler referred to as a case officer. This category includes agent handlers who were employees of CIA, rather than people the CIA recruited to spy on their behalf. Longhornsg (talk) 00:37, 28 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Alt rename and re-parent to "Assassinated" instead of "Murdered" and purge articles about more casual murders. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:24, 28 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Personifications in mythology and religion‎

Propose merging Category:Personifications in mythology and religion to Category:Personifications
Propose deleting Category:Personifications in Greek mythology
Propose deleting Category:Personifications in Mandaeism
Propose deleting Category:Personifications in Norse mythology
Propose deleting Category:Personifications in Roman mythology

Nominator's rationale: merge/delete, it happens so often that deities of these ancient and medieval mythologies are personifications of something that it does not differentiate them at all. Put it more precisely, it is not defining that they are the personification of something, it is only defining what they personify, and Category:Deities by association suffices for the latter purpose. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:15, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support, if only because most if not all polytheistic deities are personifications of various concepts, and I agree that Category:Deities by association serves that purpose better. AHI-3000 (talk) 22:32, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, these well-populated categories, per nom that "it happens so often that deities of these ancient and medieval mythologies are personifications of something" seems to be a fact and observation in favor of keeping the pages instead of a negative blow to their existence. Personifications are a "thing", not an abstract thought or whim. Randy Kryn (talk) 11:04, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: those categories are sufficiently and clearly defined within their contexts in mythology and folklore, since all of them were/are considered to be inseparable from the things they personify. Personifications have been a thing since a very long time, and are easily recognised and differentiated. Moreover, all those categories have enough pages that merging them would do the opposite of cleaning up. Deiadameian (talk) 10:11, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep per keepers, with the exception of Category:Personifications in Mandaeism where the figures don't seem to be3 personifications. Johnbod (talk) 14:30, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Opposers seem to think that the nomination would entirely abolish personifications. That is not the case and not the intention. Personifications are still kept in place in Category:Deities by association. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:21, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Mass media in Suffolk County, Massachusetts

Propose deleting Category:Mass media in Suffolk County, Massachusetts (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Redundant category layer. Everything is already in some other subcat of all relevant parents. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 21:51, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:23, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom --Lenticel ^(talk) 03:10, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Libraries in Suffolk County, Massachusetts

Propose deleting Category:Libraries in Suffolk County, Massachusetts (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Useless category layer. Move Category:Boston Public Library down to Category:Libraries in Boston (the main article is already in that category), and then merge Category:Libraries in Boston up to Category:Libraries in Greater Boston * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 21:51, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Restructure per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:26, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Tunnels in Suffolk County, Massachusetts

Propose deleting Category:Tunnels in Suffolk County, Massachusetts (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Useless category layer. The one entry is already in Category:Tunnels in Boston. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 21:51, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:28, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom --Lenticel ^(talk) 03:10, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Lighthouses in Suffolk County, Massachusetts

Propose deleting Category:Lighthouses in Suffolk County, Massachusetts (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Useless category layer. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 21:51, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support in principle per nom, but merge to Category:Lighthouses in Massachusetts. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:30, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:New Caledonian tennis players

Propose deleting Category:New Caledonian tennis players (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose merging Category:New Caledonian male tennis players to Category:French male tennis players and Category:New Caledonian sportsmen
Propose merging Category:New Caledonian female tennis players to Category:French female tennis players and Category:New Caledonian sportswomen

Nominator's rationale: Not sure about this category but, regardless, these players play for France. Omnis Scientia (talk) 11:48, 28 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Correct me if I'm wrong but aren't all these non-mainland former territories/colonies of France now part of France itself? If so, then New Caledonia sportspeople are all of French nationality. In which case, shouldn't Category:New Caledonian sportspeople not be named Category:Sportspeople from New Caledonia or something similar? Omnis Scientia (talk) 11:54, 28 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This name change would apply to all categories in Category:Sportspeople from Overseas France if that were the case. Omnis Scientia (talk) 11:56, 28 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

According to Overseas France, in 1999 a New Caledonian citizenship was established in addition to the French citizenship which is kept in parallel, along with the European citizenship. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:28, 28 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Marcocapelle, ah I see. But, in case of the tennis players, they do represent France so dual merge to the target categories would make sense. Omnis Scientia (talk) 23:13, 28 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep all. They form part of a hierarchy or a web of categories. 188.211.233.131 (talk) 08:30, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Marcocapelle. 121.202.28.169 (talk) 11:55, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Bus stations in Suffolk County, Massachusetts

Propose deleting Category:Bus stations in Suffolk County, Massachusetts (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Redundant category layer. This could technically be populated further by adding Wonderland station, but even after doing so there still really isn't enough content to keep. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 21:30, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: I moved some articles that were incorrectly categorized under Boston, so this category now has 5 pages in it. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 04:51, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Shouldn't Category:Silver Line (MBTA) stations be a subcat of this one? It looks to me like the entire Silver Line route is in Suffolk County, which would get it down to two subcats and one article. But I guess that's enough to keep, so I am going to withdraw this. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 21:02, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Currently all Silver Line stations are in Suffolk County, but an extension into Everett (Middlesex County) is planned for the next few years, so it's better to have it stay under Category:Bus stations in Massachusetts. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 21:23, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Bus rapid transit in Massachusetts

Propose deleting Category:Bus rapid transit in Massachusetts (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Only contains Silver Line (MBTA) and Urban Ring Project. Whether the former actually counts as "bus rapid transit" is disputed so it shouldn't be categorized as such in the spirit of WP:SUBJECTIVECAT. That leaves only one entry which isn't enough to warrant a category. Move Urban Ring Project to Category:Proposed bus rapid transit in the United States * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 20:59, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: I don't necessarily object to deletion, but there needs to be a broader CfD across these state-level categories. Currently, 15 of the 27 state categories have 3 or less items in them, so it wouldn't make sense to delete just this one. Regarding the Silver Line, you are correct that there is dispute whether it meets certain technical criteria of BRT, but it was intended as BRT and always discussed in that context, so it should be categorized as such. It's a very different case than the inherently subjective criteria discussed at SUBJECTIVECAT. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 05:25, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yet that means 23 states don't have a category (soon to be 24 because I am going to speedy merge one as containing only the eponymous article). So it's not like deleting this would break some ironclad convention.
I think I would see your point about categorizing the silver line if there were enough other things to categorize it with, but there aren't really, so it's a functionally isolated, vague, small category. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 21:02, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. The Urban Ring Project is still kept in Category:MBTA bus so it does not entirely fall off the radar. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:39, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Combined authorities

Propose renaming Category:Combined authorities to Category:Combined authorities and combined county authorities

Nominator's rationale: The article Combined authorities and combined county authorities has been amended to include combined county authorities as they are similar to combined authorities. Other articles have been amended to reflect this change. The category should reflect this in the same manner, as it currently includes pages linked to it which are CCAs but appear in this category as CAs. TheBishopAndHolyPrince (talk) 13:48, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, but add "in England" (or is it UK?) for clarity. Johnbod (talk) 14:48, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The main article does not include "in England". The template Template:Combined authorities and combined county authorities does not either. I would therefore propose to leave out "in England" so that it matches with the template, the article and the other text on the category page. 15:17, 8 March 2024 (UTC) TheBishopAndHolyPrince (talk) 15:17, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Categories often need clearer names than articles, as here. Johnbod (talk) 04:28, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Probably better the other way round as the article is confusing attempting to cover 2 separate things, the article needs splitting not the categories merging. Keith D (talk) 22:05, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I don't think it needs to affect this discussion but the nominator has been indefinitely blocked so don't expect any response to questions. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:15, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I didn't think he'd last. Johnbod (talk) 04:28, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Rename to match the main article. I don't see why "in England" is necessary. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 20:59, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Follow article, in this case rename category as nominated. If the article is split, per User:Keith D, then by all means follow that too. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:42, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Use England as this will collect various authorities that have been variously combined -- 65.92.247.66 (talk) 05:12, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:20th century in Tegucigalpa

Propose merging Category:20th century in Tegucigalpa to Category:History of Tegucigalpa
Propose deleting Category:Centuries in Tegucigalpa

Nominator's rationale: merge, with only three articles we do not need three category layers. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:20, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge/delete per nom. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 20:59, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I've added 4 more and created/populated Category:21st century in Tegucigalpa.--User:Namiba 13:29, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Withdraw this nomination. It seems like contemporary history mainly revolves around sports, that will be interesting to see for any future 22nd-century Wikipedia readers. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:46, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Culture by city in China

Propose renaming Category:Culture by city in China to Category:Culture by city in the People's Republic of China
- Re-parent from Category:Chinese culture to Category:People's Republic of China culture (Category:Culture of the People's Republic of China)

Nominator's rationale: This category excludes all cities in Taiwan, which has a separate category: Category:Culture by city in Taiwan. Therefore, it's not all of 'China', but the PRC specifically. It should therefore also be re-parented from Category:Chinese culture to Category:People's Republic of China culture (now nommed for speedy renaming to Category:Culture of the People's Republic of China per C2D main article Culture of the People's Republic of China). Compare how the parent of Category:Culture by city in Taiwan is Category:Culture of Taiwan, not Category:Chinese culture. NLeeuw (talk) 09:41, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

China after 1949 is considered to be synonymous with the People's Republic. This would require a much broader discussion than just about culture, but I doubt the discussion would lead somewhere. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:48, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
We don't have to. Our category trees and main articles are quite clear:
- Chinese culture > Category:Chinese culture (has nothing to do with countries, but with Chinese 'civilisation')
- Culture of Taiwan > Category:Culture of Taiwan (the Republic of China)
- Culture of the People's Republic of China > Category:People's Republic of China culture (the PRC)
If we re-parent it as I proposed, it all makes sense. NLeeuw (talk) 10:04, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- - It leaves the problem that "by city in the People's Republic of China" is considered to be equivalent to "by city in China" even without renaming. Category:Cities in China does not contain cities in Taiwan. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:54, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: Those who voted for the China–PRC merger never bothered to figure out what to do with topics as such. Topics associated with culture of the PRC, e.g., should certainly be fed to a category similarly named but such scenarios have simply been ignored. 188.211.233.131 (talk) 07:58, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There are topical subcategories for the Soviet Union, Yugoslavia, Czechoslovakia, Serbia and Montenegro, the United Provinces of the Netherlands (the Dutch Republic), the Orange Free State, the Transvaal Republic, the United Province of Canada, the Kingdom of Great Britain, the Confederate State of America, Pakistan, the United Kingdom, the United Arab Emirates, and so on and so forth. Why can't there be subcategories for the PRC? 188.211.233.131 (talk) 16:02, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is completely beside the point. The correct analogy would be that we do not have a Category:Culture by city in the Soviet Union either. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:19, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What about Indian foo and Foo of the Republic of India, for instance? The former may according to contexts covers Pakistan and/or Bangladesh and that the latter is a subset of the former. 188.211.233.131 (talk) 08:28, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Update proposed parent Category:People's Republic of China culture has been moved to Category:Culture of the People's Republic of China. I should add that I was honestly not aware that on English Wikipedia, People's Republic of China has been a redirect to China since 2011. I've been accustomed to the situation on Dutch Wikipedia where the PRC article is titled nl:Volksrepubliek China, and "China" is a DP. That does put my nomination in a different light as @Marcocapelle mentioned. Given that the other parent is Category:Cities in China with main article List of cities in China, I think the rest of the nomination stands no chance. I think I'll be content with the re-parenting, and accept that the catname stays as it is. NLeeuw (talk) 06:30, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

From when on would it be right to equate the Soviet Union with Russia, or Malaya with Malaysia, or England or Great Britain with the United Kingdom, for the purpose of categorisation on Wikipedia? 188.211.233.131 (talk) 08:28, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rename and re-parent per nom. 121.202.28.169 (talk) 11:55, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Local Beauty pageants

Propose deleting Category:Local Beauty pageants (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: per Commons:Commons:Categories for discussion/2021/01/Category:Local Beauty pageants Estopedist1 (talk) 06:51, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It is not yet clear what the rationale of the nomination is. Besides, this is largely a container category so if there is objection to categorizing local beauty pageants the subcategories should be nominated too. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:03, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Estopedist1: Marcocapelle (talk) 07:57, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Marcocapelle: all subcategories are already properly categorized under concrete country, e.g. Category:Miss Teen USA state pageants‎ already belongs to Category:Beauty pageants in the United States to Estopedist1 (talk) 08:04, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @Estopedist1: I am puzzled now. If you do not object categorizing local beauty pageants as such, then what is your objection to the local beauty pageants parent category? Marcocapelle (talk) 08:15, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  @Marcocapelle: "Category:Local Beauty pageants" is just redudant layer category. You are a categorizing specialist and probably understand that categories like "historic/former Foo" or "local Foo" are fuzzy and misleading. A citation from Commons discussion: "Using "local" to indicate geographic location is dependent on point-of-reference and therefore inherently inappropriate as a category description." Estopedist1 (talk) 08:33, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  @Estopedist1: it seems you object to "local" in the category name rather than to the category's existance. What about renaming it to Category:Subnational beauty pageants similar to Category:Subnational legislators? Marcocapelle (talk) 11:46, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Rename to Category:Subnational beauty pageants per Marcocapelle. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 20:59, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Roman villas in Germany

Propose splitting Category:Roman villas in Germany to Category:Roman villa and Category:Villas in Germany

Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. Only one villa in here, which is unhelpful for navigation. Mason (talk) 03:38, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: Seems useful in connection with Category:Roman villas by country.--Ipigott (talk) 06:27, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Triple merge, per nom, but also to Category:Ancient Roman buildings and structures in Germany. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:34, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep as part of a wider scheme Category:Roman villas by country. Plus others may well be added over time. Johnbod (talk) 14:32, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The category can be recreated when there are more pages to add. I really tried to find anything that could be added, and turned up nothing. Mason (talk) 16:57, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:11th-century Indian medical doctors

Propose merging Category:11th-century Indian medical doctors to Category:11th-century physicians and Category:Medieval Indian medical doctors and Category:11th-century Indian people
Propose merging Category:7th-century Indian medical doctorsto Category:7th-century physicians and Category:Medieval Indian medical doctors and Category:7th-century Indian people
Propose merging Category:8th-century Indian medical doctors to Category:8th-century physicians and Category:Medieval Indian medical doctors and Category:8th-century Indian people

Nominator's rationale: There are only a handful of Medieval medical doctors from India. I think we should upmerge for now until there's a critical mass Mason (talk) 17:12, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support most of it per nom, but rather than creating Category:Medieval Indian medical doctors with only two articles I would rather merge to Category:Indian medical doctors. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:37, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Indian in "Indian people" may or may not be associated the modern Republic of India. 185.104.63.112 (talk) 20:55, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't understand that point you are trying to make. No one is saying these doctors are from the modern Republic of India. Mason (talk) 21:01, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Indian people by century feeds ultimately to Category:Indian people and thereupon Category:India (and not any other modern-day successors). Are these physicians Indian if we are to equate India with the ROI? 185.104.63.112 (talk) 21:28, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, so I think I now understand what's happening with your dispute over Hong Kong versus China. That's not how nationality works for nesting. So there's no built-in assumption with categories that people nested in India are necessarily citizens of the modern nation of India. Mason (talk) 21:47, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rename per nomination and change Indian to South Asian. 121.202.28.169 (talk) 11:55, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Politicians convicted of war crimes

Propose merging both Category:Heads of government convicted of war crimes and Category:Heads of state convicted of war crimes into Category:Politicians convicted of war crimes

Nominators' rationale: These two subcategories may have a bit too much overlap in scope anyways, especially in some countries where the national leader is technically both the head of government and head of state simultaneously. AHI-3000 (talk) 06:39, 21 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Alternative: rename Category:Heads of government convicted of war crimes to Category:Prime ministers convicted of war crimes and purge presidents. That will avoid the overlap effectively too. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:24, 21 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Marcocapelle: But does the specific office/title of a politician matter here in this context? AHI-3000 (talk) 19:36, 22 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- In this case I would say so, since these are usually the ultimate decision makers. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:29, 23 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Kara no Kyōkai

Propose renaming Category:Kara no Kyōkai to Category:The Garden of Sinners

Nominator's rationale: Per WP:CATNAME: "Names of topic categories should be singular, normally corresponding to the name of a Wikipedia article." Kara no Kyōkai was moved to The Garden of Sinners years ago, so the category should be also moved. Mika1h (talk) 13:04, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rename per WP:C2D, this could have been listed at speedy. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:40, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support per above --Lenticel ^(talk) 03:45, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Shopping centres in Hong Kong

Propose further categorisation of Category:Shopping centres in Hong Kong to Category:Shopping centres on Hong Kong Island, Category:Shopping centres in Kowloon, Category:Shopping centres in New Kowloon and Category:Shopping centres in the New Territories

Nominator's rationale: Subcategorising along the four statutorily-defined areas of the country just as some other similar category trees for this country, e.g., roads. 58.177.160.150 (talk) 11:39, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment, creating new subcategories normally does not require discussion, and I do not see why it would require discussion in this particular case. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:43, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Winsunited Cup

Propose renaming Category:Winsunited Cup to Category:FIFA Series

Nominator's rationale: Considering that the Winsunited Cup has somehow been merged as part of the FIFA Series, then I would have suggested that this category be renamed as Category:FIFA Series. ManiacOfSport (talk) 10:26, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment This category is empty. I tagged it yesterday CSD C1 but the tag was removed and now it's at CFD. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 17:28, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page discussions. Giant Snowman 12:45, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per Liz as empty category. Giant Snowman 12:47, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as empty, don't see any valid targets to justify this category. Joseph2302 (talk) 08:54, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, 2024 FIFA Series and FIFA Series could be in Category:FIFA Series, but that isn't enough articles to justify this being created right now. Wait a few years until there's more editions to add to the category. Joseph2302 (talk) 13:39, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Tea critics

Propose renaming Category:Tea critics to Category:Opponents of tea drinking

Alternative A: rename, these aren't critics, they are just against drinking tea.

Alternative B: delete per WP:OPINIONCAT. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:56, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support A, adding Category:Food activists as a parent. Re B, listifying would be better than deletion. Johnbod (talk) 13:31, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Nature gods in Hinduism

Propose deleting Category:Nature gods in Hinduism (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: This category was created with main article as Prajaptis. Category:Prajapatis already exits. Prajapatis are not nature gods per se. Redtigerxyz ^Talk 04:14, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:30, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom --Lenticel ^(talk) 03:01, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom --Ekabhishek^talk 18:38, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Objectivism (Ayn Rand)

Propose renaming Category:Objectivism (Ayn Rand) to Category:Objectivism

Nominator's rationale: Objectivism was moved from Objectivism (Ayn Rand) back in 2020, but the category has remained as it was before then. Wehpudicabok (talk) 03:21, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rename per nom. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 21:02, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Russian war crimes in Estonia

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure) House Blaster (talk · he/him) 02:17, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:Russian war crimes in Estonia to Category:Soviet war crimes in Estonia

Nominator's rationale: All articles in the category are about acts by either the RSFSR or the USSR. CJ-Moki (talk) 02:25, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rename per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:34, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Rename per above. Gödel2200 (talk) 14:39, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Rename per nom. --Estopedist1 (talk) 13:18, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Rename per nom. --Lenticel ^(talk) 03:02, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Rename per nom. NLeeuw (talk) 06:37, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

Category:LGBT people by identity

Propose renaming Category:LGBT people by identity to Category:LGBT people by variation
Propose merging Category:LGBT people by gender identity to Category:LGBT people by identity
Propose merging Category:LGBT people by sexual orientation to Category:LGBT people by identity

Nominator's rationale: As concerned here and here, the term identity is sketchy since sexual orientation isn't necessarily a sexual identity (and some argue identity is a choice compared to the term orientation). The original category uses "by variation". Not sure if it's the best. We can reparent these categories anyways.

Also, separating transgender from marginalized sexual orientations is exclusionary, as concerned here

--MikutoH ^talk! 02:01, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Variation is not a term I’ve ever heard use by anyone referring to their orientation or identity. It sounds very inhumane and may actually be considered a form of othering - so I do not think that that could be used to refer to people - especially since all of these categories require positive self identification of the people tagged with these categories.

The worldwide WP:COMMONNAME use of the terms are “sexual orientation”, "romantic orientation" and “gender identity” - that is what the LGBTQ+ community, as well as the scientific community use. Anything else would be strange and artificial - Wikipedia follows, not leads in definitions.

Many people have multiple gender identities and sexual and romantic orientations. All of these are part of their overall Identity as an individual, hence "identity" is the overall root. Raladic (talk) 04:49, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Alternative: merge Category:LGBT people by identity to Category:LGBT people, this is an unnecessary extra category layer. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:42, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I support merging all three categories to Category:LGBT people and grouping with sort keys; this would make the subcategories more visible and accessible, and is in line with several recent CfDs in the LGBT people tree. Second choice would be to merge Category:LGBT people by gender identity and Category:LGBT people by sexual orientation to Category:LGBT people by identity as proposed, but keep the name as "by identity", as I think that is clearer than "by variation".--Trystan (talk) 13:56, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That is even better. That would also avoid strange pairs of sibling categories e.g. Category:Gay men next to Category:Non-binary gay people. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:53, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Has this been notified to the LGBT project? It really needs to be. Sympathetic to some simplfication, but I'd like to hear from those more involved, who I'm sure will have views. I'm pretty sure "variation" won't fly. I notice all our Category:Queer people seem to be female (or... not gay men anyway) which I don't think is how the term is generally used. Johnbod (talk) 11:43, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done now. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:49, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I came here from WP:LGBT/Alerts, but a notice on the talk page might get more attention.--Trystan (talk) 13:05, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support alternative merge. I do like the alternative merge and grouping with sort keys. Strong Oppose to rename. "Variation"? I really really do not like the term variation, and would definitely be bothered if someone referred to my sexual orientation or gender identity as variation. (I know that this is anecdotal, and just one queer person, but that's my immediate reaction to the term). Mason (talk) 21:06, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I noticed Lists of LGBT people#LGBT people by demographic uses "by demographic" instead of identity. Would this suit better? --MikutoH ^talk! 23:51, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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 * '''Keep''' all. They form part of a hierarchy or a web of categories. [[Special:Contributions/188.211.233.131|188.211.233.131]] ([[User talk:188.211.233.131|talk]]) 08:30, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
+* '''Keep''' per Marcocapelle. [[Special:Contributions/121.202.28.169|121.202.28.169]] ([[User talk:121.202.28.169|talk]]) 11:55, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
 ==== Category:Bus stations in Suffolk County, Massachusetts ====
 :* '''Propose deleting''' {{lc|Bus stations in Suffolk County, Massachusetts}}
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 * '''Update''' proposed parent [[:Category:People's Republic of China culture]] has been moved to [[:Category:Culture of the People's Republic of China]]. I should add that I was honestly not aware that on English Wikipedia, [[People's Republic of China]] has been a redirect to [[China]] since 2011. I've been accustomed to the situation on Dutch Wikipedia where the PRC article is titled [[:nl:Volksrepubliek China]], and "China" is a DP. That does put my nomination in a different light as @[[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] mentioned. Given that the other parent is [[:Category:Cities in China]] with main article [[List of cities in China]], I think the rest of the nomination stands no chance. I think I'll be content with the re-parenting, and accept that the catname stays as it is. [[User:Nederlandse Leeuw|NLeeuw]] ([[User talk:Nederlandse Leeuw#top|talk]]) 06:30, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
 :* From when on would it be right to equate the Soviet Union with Russia, or Malaya with Malaysia, or England or Great Britain with the United Kingdom, for the purpose of categorisation on Wikipedia? [[Special:Contributions/188.211.233.131|188.211.233.131]] ([[User talk:188.211.233.131|talk]]) 08:28, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
+* '''Rename''' and '''re-parent''' per nom. [[Special:Contributions/121.202.28.169|121.202.28.169]] ([[User talk:121.202.28.169|talk]]) 11:55, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
 ==== Category:Local Beauty pageants ====
 :* '''Propose deleting''' {{lc|Local Beauty pageants}}
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 ::* Category:Indian people by century feeds ultimately to Category:Indian people and thereupon Category:India (and not any other modern-day successors). Are these physicians Indian if we are to equate India with the ROI? [[Special:Contributions/185.104.63.112|185.104.63.112]] ([[User talk:185.104.63.112|talk]]) 21:28, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
 ::*:Ok, so I think I now understand what's happening with your dispute over Hong Kong versus China. That's not how nationality works for nesting. So there's no built-in assumption  with categories that people nested in India are necessarily citizens of the modern nation of India. [[User:Smasongarrison|Mason]] ([[User talk:Smasongarrison|talk]]) 21:47, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
+* '''Rename''' per nomination and change Indian to South Asian. [[Special:Contributions/121.202.28.169|121.202.28.169]] ([[User talk:121.202.28.169|talk]]) 11:55, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
 ==== Politicians convicted of war crimes ====
 :'''Propose merging both''' [[:Category:Heads of government convicted of war crimes]] and [[:Category:Heads of state convicted of war crimes]] into [[:Category:Politicians convicted of war crimes]]