Talk:Northeast megalopolis

Title

Is "Northeast Megalopolis" a proper noun? If not, shouldn't it be lowercase? Powers ^T 22:14, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Yes, it is not a proper noun. Title has been changed, and in text only instances where "megalopolis" refers to Gottmann's title or the Greek town should be capitalized. This should also be the case wherever this article is linked elsewhere. Sswonk (talk) 22:29, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

What happened to "BoWash"? It was in one of my old my textbooks as BoWash. --Triadian (talk) 02:04, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

Bowash redirects to BosWash, as it should. Powers ^T 03:05, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

I've traditionally heard this as BosNYWash -- 65.92.180.137 (talk) 03:30, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

Notice of Earlier Discussion

This article was born out of the abject failure of an earlier article that was formerly at BosWash. Thus, consensus for its genesis was hashed out on Talk:BosWash, where many of the elements that now make it up were discussed. Please refer to relevant parts of that earlier discussion as needed. Thanks! Korossyl (talk) 06:10, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Misspelling

The image associated with the Northeast magalopolis page titled Boswash.png has Philadelphia misspelled. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.84.101.200 (talk) 04:25, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

Good call. Fixed by the creator, Bill Rankin. Korossyl (talk) 03:36, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

Unimpressed

Literally speaking, this is a low quality page, especially when compared to pages like the Midwest megalopolis. Needs work, any volunteers? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.51.167.2 (talk) 01:12, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

...And which page would that be...? Korossyl (talk) 06:44, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

Coining of "megalopolis"

The term was coined earlier than 1961, as the article states. Patrick Geddes coined it in 1927. Read: http://www.raco.cat/index.php/DocumentsAnalisi/article/viewFile/171750/224068 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 167.129.240.24 (talk) 17:23, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

Map of U.S. with megalopolis highlighted.

I think it would be helpful if this article had a map of the U.S. with the megalopolis highlighted. The article already has two maps (or rather, one map and one satellite view), but they both have two less-than-ideal properties:

• Neither one shows any context; they just show the megalopolis itself.
• They both show the megalopolis straight up-down, rather than with north being up and south being down.

So overall, neither one is really helpful for understanding where the megalopolis is or what it looks like.

—Ruakh_TALK 13:58, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

I'm not sure where those maps came from, but I believe they're probably based on how the Northeast megalopolis is traditionally depicted by American geographers in the literature on the subject. For example, National Geographic magazine published a large map similar to the first one back in the early 1990s in its last major article on the megalopolis. --Coolcaesar (talk) 20:43, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

The map is awesome, don't remove it. But yes, a locator map with north up would be good. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 20:58, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

Yup, the weird orientation is really bothering me. I grew up in the Philadelphia area, and have lived int he Boston area for ten years, and the rotation is really disorienting. It also bothers me that the map is completely lacking indication of the direction of North. —Darxus (talk) 18:52, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

Fortuitously, the map is available under the same free license as the text, so you can go ahead and add a compass rose at your leisure. Powers ^T 19:53, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

File:Megalopolis nord-américaine.jpg

File:Megalopolis nord-américaine.jpg needs fixing. Canada should be greyed out, there should be an international exchange symbol at Buffalo, and across the two Great Lakes and up the Hudson River. Since the Canadian side of things is also densely populated, leaving it white, makes it appear that people suddenly stop living densely at the border. -- 65.92.180.137 (talk) 03:18, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

I'm going to go ahead and actually remove the image, I think. There are many other problems with it as well: New York's status as a "global city" is completely unexplained and uncited; there are very many "international airports" missing, and every single one shown is in an incorrect location; I'm not at all sure what "technology park" means, but there are many, many more than what are indicated on the map; "international exchange" is totally nebulous, and the location of the arrows seems arbitrary; there are many more "waterways" than are shown on the map; some cities, especially outside of the Megalopolis, are missing; and even the "most densely populated area" shading is pretty badly off -- the Delmarva peninsula, for instance, is for the most part pretty sparsely populated. It's a shame, because a map showing what this attempts to show would be pretty handy. Korossyl (talk) 17:26, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

Richmond, VA?

The definition of the region seems outdated. The Washington metro area extends at least to Fredricksburg, VA and Richmond VA and the Tidewater area are nearly contiguous. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wapo012010 (talk • contribs) 14:09, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

No, you're wrong---Richmond isn't part of the megalopolis yet because the Northern Virginia sprawl hasn't spread into the region between Ashland and Fredericksburg. Of course, there's also arguably a gap in the existing megalopolis from Aberdeen, Maryland to the Delaware border, but it can be easily covered in about 15 minutes, while Ashland and Fredericksburg are about an hour apart. One of the most basic rules in urban geography is that most human beings can tolerate a average one-way commute of about 30 minutes, and it's very rare for people to tolerate a one-way commute over an hour. --Coolcaesar (talk) 06:39, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

What? Basic rules???? It is fairly common for people leaving in New Jersey, Long Island, Upstate New York, and Connecticut, and even within the 5 boroughs of NYC, to have 1-way trips that are considerably longer than one hour. When's the last time you were in London? Djflem (talk) 11:08, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

This being Wikipedia, the most important consideration is that whatever we say reflect existing literature, to avoid original research. We can only say that the megalopolis includes the cities that others have mentioned it including. Korossyl (talk) 21:30, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

American 2050. The organization who created the mega regions include Richmond and Hampton Roads in the Northeast Megaregion. Also many other cities are not completely connected by sprawl in the Northeast. Philadelphia has about an hour gap between Baltimore, Providence has a gap between New York, and Portland has a gap between Boston. A much larger gap then Richmonds. What makes them connect is government defined metro areas which do intersect in Caroline County between Washington and Richmond regardless of how urban it is. http://www.america2050.org/assets_c/2014/02/2050_Map_Megaregions2008-3663.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.202.217.173 (talk) 12:49, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

I'm not certain precisely what you're recommending? But to be clear: America 2050 is one think tank among very many that has worked on megalopolitan development. The concept was first outlined by Gottmann, not America 2050. Korossyl (talk) 17:19, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

My Mistake. However, you did say that the purpose is to reflect existing sources. America 2050 is one source to consider when referring to this region. However, my argument was that Richmond should be included in the Northeast Megaregion due to its ties to the Washington-Baltimore area and many sources including it in the region. Richmond is currently included in the region though so this is not an argument that is relevant anymore.50.224.66.28 (talk) 04:55, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

It is an open question to what degree these megaregions should be defined by continuity of development, economic integration, cultural ties, or shared infrastructure. For instance, Richmond is one of the termini of Northeast Regional rail route operated by Amtrak, as is Boston. Both Boston and Richmond are separated from the DC to NY corridor by areas of relatively low population density. But this is also true of Japan's Taiheiyō Belt, another prototypical megalopolis, for instance between Nagoya and Osaka where the population density is extremely low in mountainous areas, particularly in and abutting Wakayama prefecture. Most literature from the past 50 years within urban studies and planning that I have encountered indicate that Richmond and Norfolk are included in this megalopolis, forming its southern edge. But this does not mean that that is the wide cultural perception. I would support its inclusion with the necessary context about the centrality of the DC to NY or BosWash corridor. InformationVolunteer (talk) 12:32, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

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Second largest in US?

The lead says "...the second most populous megalopolis in the United States..." That's a little misleading (though technically true depending on how you interpret "in"). The larger megalopolis is Great Lakes Megalopolis, but only because it includes a large number of Canadian cities (assuming I'm reading it correctly). Could someone clarify? Matt Deres (talk) 20:59, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

List of Cities

To avoid a page that trades usability for mere length (and to avoid WP:Example cruft), I propose to shorten the list of "Largest Cities" on this page to only those with over populations over 200,000. Korossyl (talk) 13:27, 10 September 2021 (UTC)

How about 100,000, which is a 'sort of' standard for many Wikipedia articles? Djflem (talk) 21:00, 10 September 2021 (UTC)

I put a lot of effort into that list, pretty sure I'm the only one whos really touched it. Ill admit the number is quite low, but its also a very extensive list thats not really comparable in other pages, is that not a good thing? I'd say 75K if anything. This way cities in Rhode Island, Delaware, and other states with smaller populations get onto the list. 200K is way too high, 100K is better although not the best. Hij802 (talk) 00:33, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

Basic cartography

There should be a North indicator on that map. — Daniel FR (talk) 09:37, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

Interactive Map

I created an interactive map of the Northeast Megalopolis / NEC, encompassing 136 counties, the five major CSAs (Boston, Hartford, New York, Philadelphia, Washington-Baltimore. Also includes some adjacent and culturally significant areas to the NEC (Allentown, Portland, Harrisburg, Springfield).

I kept but moved the population density map, just because it's from 2009, so is most likely out of date--but still interesting. Anyone can open the map and zoom in and see how the roads, rails, and airports all weave the megaregion together.

Obvious note: I did not include Richmond and Hampton Roads (VA), Scranton (PA), or Albany (NY). Same goes for outlying micro areas like Martha's Vineyard (MA) or Cumberland (MD). We can include them, but there has been some debate on whether these metros are really part of the NEC.

I also had a small tech issue with openstreetmap (Bronx and Queens would not fill in), hopefully this will be fixed. Feedback and thoughts appreciated. StillWatchesCartoons (talk) 16:20, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

A lot of this article goes by the broader definition of the Northeast Megalopolis, which extends to Portland Maine beyond Boston and extends to Richmond and the Hampton Roads area beyond DC. Albany is too separated to belong, if it doesn't fit into the NY CSA than it definitely does not fit. Scranton is also too far separated from NY or Philly, Allentown is about as far as I'd say it goes.

I am the one who has been doing the population tables for the CSAs, MSAs, and cities/towns, and I largely based it on the map of the 11 megaregions, as that is the same criteria used for other megaregion pages. While the "core" of the region certainly is the BosWash region, for the sake of the article I did the broader definition.

Just to keep up the consistency, I would update your map to include the Virginia Beach CSA as well as the Richmond MSA. The growth in Virginia in recent decades has certainly made it worthy of being an outer lying extension of the Northeast. Hij802 (talk) 18:23, 10 May 2024 (UTC)