Talk:Death of Diane Whipple

Shouldn't this article be merged with Noel and Knoller?

Not to deminish this tragedy but the only thing this lady ever did in her life that is noteworthy was get attacked and killed by two dogs. Wiki demands that the article be about someone of notoriety, not just a common victim of crime. Her bio should be merged with the main article about the dog case. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.7.77.81 (talk) 06:24, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

What is with the cartoon character references?

Nonsensical, random, uncited...? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.192.215.162 (talk) 23:14, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Updated status of murder conviction?

The linked articles about the trial indicate that the murder conviction was tossed out on appeal:

In a later development the state attorney general's office filed papers in April 2003 with the 1st District Court of Appeal requesting that Knoller's murder conviction be reinstated. They argued that for a murder charge, the standard in California only requires a defendant to know that their dog could cause serious injury to a person and not necessiarily death. In short, proscecutors still believe that Knoller kew enough about the risks involved in exposing these dogs to the public to warrant a murder conviction. Attorney Dennis Riordan, representing Knoller, will argue that she did not act in conscious disregard for human life - the standard needed for a murder conviction - when she took Bane for a wak to the rooftop to releive himself on the day of the incident. Arguments this latest appeal took place on March 15, 2005 and a written decision will be rendered by appelate judges within 90 days.

Anyone know the result? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by BobbyPeru (talk • contribs) 15:39, 4 February 2007 (UTC).

The Recent 7/1/07 News On Knoller

A woman whose dogs fatally mauled a neighbor could get more prison time, after the California Supreme Court ordered a trial judge to consider convicting her of second-degree murder rather than involuntary manslaughter. 1

Supposedly another Judge will review an sentence her. Jewish groups are rushing to her defense because a case this atrocious, will go down in history. The attack was brought on because the dog nuzzled the girl's crotch, indicating it was aroused, she pushed the monster away, and it exploded.

Zoophilia clarification

"Allegations were also made that the two committed zoophilia against their dogs..." I assume that this sentence refers to the two attorneys, Noel and Knoller, however as it immediately follows an entry about Schneider and his cellmate, as well as a previous entry concerning an unnamed farmer, the identity of "the two" is somewhat unclear. Schneider and cellie? Schneider and the farmer? Cellie and the farmer? (notwithstanding the improbability of Cornfed and his cellie gaining access to the ill-fated pooches from within the confines of the Pelican Bay SHU) Again, I assume that the attorneys were the alleged zoophiles, but clarification is in order.

Knoller and Noel Indulged In Forbidden Fruit

A former Pelican Bay guard quoted in Rolling Stone magazine said he saw Noel change. "I'd get on the phone with Bob to ask him about a case," Keith Whitley said, "and all he did was talk about how big Bane's balls were. Noel himself bragged to the magazine about the size of the dog's penis and its erections [1]

The attack occured because Bane had been having intercourse with Knoller. Bane came up to Whipple, nuzzled her crotch, she pushed the dog away, and the dog exploded.

WTF

Does this have to do with lgbt studies?166.82.201.8 15:37, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Dogs

Where they put down? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.69.31.169 (talk) 10:19, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

I recently have seen an edition of the American tv-sequence Law and Order, in which this incident was used as an item. Item: A woman was jogging through a parc; a dog(pitbull/mastiff)ran to her and atacked her; the woman died; research bij the detectives leads them to a deserted adress and some guy as well as to a dog(-fight-)trainer and a convicted man. The track ends at an advocate-couple, who had bought 2 dogs from the convicted man. One of the dogs had escaped from the couples'house and became the attacker/killer of the woman. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Plus2plus (talk • contribs) 10:47, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Merge from Marjorie Knoller and Robert Noel

This discussion was originally on the Talk:Marjorie Knoller and Robert Noel. I have moved here to preserve. Mitico (talk) 16:21, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

For Marjorie Knoller and Robert Noel biographies should be about one person, so if maintained this article should be split to be in complaince with WP:BLP. However, these individuals do not have sufficient notability, and per WP:ONEEVENT wikipedia should "Cover the event, not the person."

I have suggested to move this page to 2001 San Francisco dog-mauling death of Diane Whipple, but I am not convinced that this is a good title. Too long? I would appreciate suggestions.

Also, please consider the notability of Diane Whipple. I believe she is notable on her own (though I believe this is debatable and merger may be in order). She meets WP:Athlete as she had "competed at the highest amateur level of a sport." She was twice a member of the U.S. Women's Lacrosse World Cup team and collegiate All-American, and since the NCAA & the World Cup are the highest level of women's lacrosse I think she qualifies. -Mitico (talk) 13:59, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

• Merge with Diane Whipple, which contains much of the material here anyway. I have no problems with keeping that article; even if she were more obscure in life than she was, BLP issues really don't arise for the dead; compare Kitty Genovese, which we would be worse without. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 02:58, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

I agree, it makes more sense to merge into the Whipple article. I sensed there was something wrong with my recommendation. -Mitico (talk) 16:18, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Makes sense to me too. Whipple's violent death makes her cause notable; the attorneys are known only for their inhuman callousness. Twang (talk) 06:03, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

 Done. Merge completed. Mitico (talk) 17:00, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

"Hella Nation" Chapter on This

Evan Wright, author of "Generation Kill", just put out a book that collects some of his major investigative articles. One of them is about this case and those involved and goes into great detail, with a phenomenal amount of research. The book is called "Hella Nation" and the chapter is called "Mad Dogs and Lawyers". There are details in that article that can easily be referenced and added to this page. Among them, Whipple actually gave up her Olympic aspirations because of a battle with cancer, the dog owners actually were involved with only one member of the Aryan Brotherhood, Schneider, who was actually a leader of the Aryan Brotherhood and according to officials quoted in the article, the "most dangerous man in California", the couple "adopted" him, there was a bizarre love triangle between the three, implications of bestiality, and numerous other bits of information that could greatly enhance this article if someone is dedicated enough to go through it. I don't have the time. Along with providing crucial information, it is also a really great article and a great book. Wright is a very good journalist. Fermentor (talk) 07:31, 12 April 2009 (UTC)