User talk:Mifter

Mifter's Talk Page

STOP! If your question regards things like Copyvio, License and Something-like-that, please read this!. Please also note that I'm using a Bot to put the messages in your talk page so excuse it if it makes errors. Usually, if you are the author of the picture it can be enough to add only {{PD-Self}} otherwise search the license here! And all will be ok. If the problem regards Bot-Problems (for example, if it's too fast or something like that..) or something else, don't be shy and notify me ASAP. Thanks and All the Best, --Mifter (talk) 01:57, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

“ Criticism is something you can avoid by saying nothing, doing nothing, and being nothing. ” — Master of Puppets

Welcome to my talk page. Please sign and date your entries by inserting ~~~~ at the end.
If you would like to leave me a comment/message please click here.

Whose side are you on???

== Welcome ==oppo f1s '2023(Note: This welcome message will not be archived)' Mifter (talk) 02:22, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Hello, Mifter! Welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions to this free encyclopedia. If you decide that you need help, check out Getting Help below, ask me on my talk page, or place {{helpme}} on your talk page and ask your question there. Please remember to sign your name on talk pages by clicking or using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically produce your username and the date. Finally, please do your best to always fill in the edit summary field. Below are some useful links to facilitate your involvement. Happy editing! Polly (Parrot) 22:11, 4 February 2008 (UTC) Getting started A tutorial • Our five pillars • Getting mentored How to: edit a page • upload and use images Getting help Frequently asked questions • Tips Where to ask questions or make comments Request administrator attention Policies and guidelines Neutral point of view • No original research Verifiability • Reliable sources • Citing sources What Wikipedia is not • Biographies of living persons Manual of Style • Three-revert rule • Sock puppetry Copyrights • Policy for non-free content • Image use policy External links • Spam • Vandalism Deletion policy • Conflict of interest • Notability The community Build consensus • Resolve disputes Assume good faith • Civility • Etiquette No personal attacks • No legal threats Community Portal • Village pump Signpost • IRC channels • Mailing lists Writing articles Be bold in editing • Develop an article The perfect article • Manual of style Stubs • Categories • Disambiguation Pages needing attention • Peer review Miscellaneous User name • User pages • Talk pages Clean up: General - Spam - Vandalism Join a WikiProject • Translation Useful templates • Tools • User scripts

(Note: This welcome message will not be archived) Mifter (talk) 02:22, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

2007eaglez.png and goldeneaglez.png images

I really have no idea why you deleted these pictures, I made sure that the copyright said that these were my own images but still I was getting comments that they were not mine and I needed a copyright on them.

---

paarty30

Please leave my cover alone, I am the sole author of my own book, all copyright belongs to me. thanks istvan banyai author of Zoom.....

X'mas

Click there to open your card! → → →

File:Christmas collage.PNG

Merry Christmas!

Dearest Chubb,
Wiki Roxor wishes you a Merry X'mas! Send this card to the other jolly users, even if it's a little early/late/your choice. Have a delightful Christmas and cheers!

AfC news

Dear AfC participant,

1. Msgj and Tnxman307 are organising the AfC challenge! It's a little competition to help improve some of the articles created through AfC and we are hoping that everyone will get involved. For level 1, you just need to bring a stub up to Start-class. Level 2 is improving a Start-class article to C-class. And so on. To get involved or for more information please see the competition page.
2. Those of you who haven't reviewed an article recently might not have noticed the new process that was implemented this year. Reviewing articles is now more enjoyable than ever :) You might like to give it a try. All articles waiting for review are in Category:Pending Afc requests. (Please read the updated instructions.)
3. Please consider adding {{AFC status}} to your userpage to keep track of the number of articles waiting for review. At the time of writing we are officially backlogged, so help is needed!
4. There is currently a proposal to bring the Images for upload process under the umbrella of WikiProject Articles for creation. The rationale is that both processes are designed to allow unregistered users to take part more fully in Wikipedia, and partipants in each process can probably help each other.

If you no longer wish to receive messages from WikiProject Articles for creation, please remove your name from this list. Thank you.

And to you as well. :)

That was fun. Thank you. Happy 1st day of Winter to you too!

Do not read this one - The Hunt - Outline of knowledge WikiProject - 04/17/2009

Here's a trivia question for you...

While surveying libraries, their outline-related resources, and our coverage of them, I came across something funny...

What subclass is the Bible in the Library of Congress Classification?

Do you think they'd like this one at WP:DYK?

(Nope. They didn't.)     :)

Libraries

For months, I've been sitting at a terminal in one of the largest libraries in the country, and I haven't even looked around at the available resources.

Until a few days ago.

I'm overwhelmed.

When compared to libraries, Wikipedia is small. (See Digest of Education Statistics 2008, Chapter 7:Libraries and Educational Technology Libraries, and turn to page 617).

But is that a fair comparison?

Yes.

Why?

Because we have growth potential.  :)

And we cover everything, including libraries!

Guess what else I found?

Hunting for outlines

I began to study libraries and librarians, since they are experts in organizing knowledge. And of course I turned to Wikipedia to see what we had on the things I came across...

And while doing so I kept running into outlines on Wikipedia that are not (yet) part of the Outline of knowledge.

When I come across non-OOK outlines, generally I rename them, and reformat them to our standard outline format. But there is the occasional exception.

Here are some outlines I just added:

1. List of energy topics --> Outline of energy (it converted great)
2. List of Dewey Decimal classes --> Outline of Dewey Decimal classes (no conversion)
3. Library of Congress Classification --> ??? (no rename, no conversion)

The last 2 are outlines by their very nature, and so our standard outline subheadings didn't seem to fit. So I left them as is.

I renamed the first 2, but the last one is the name of the outline, that is, the topic itself is an outline, and that outline is presented as the article's content, so I left the name as is. For now. This needs more thought.

Of course, that's not all. Concerning those last 2 outlines above...

Alternate outlines of knowledge

...not only are they outlines, but they are outlines of knowledge! Well, the top few levels, at least.

Uh, so?

What happens if we linkify them?  :)

That is, what happens if we linkify their classifications to Wikipedia's outlines?  :)   :)   :)

They become alternate top ends to the OOK

Yep.

What can you find?

I challenge you to find some "hidden" outlines.

I dare you to take a look around Wikipedia for hidden outlines (that is, outlines not yet hooked into the OOK), and add your kills to WP:WPOOK#The hunt for hidden outlines.

My trophies are already there.

May the hunt begin!

The Transhumanist    20:37, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

A couple questions for you...

What are the benefits of a tree structure?

The article doesn't say.

I'm interested, because I need to explain the benefits in the guideline on outlines I'm writing. (Outlines are a type of tree structure).

I've also asked the question at various reference desks, and these threads may help to jump start your brain on this question.  :)

• Wikipedia:Reference desk/Science#What are the benefits of a tree structure?
• Wikipedia:Reference desk/Mathematics#What are the benefits to humans of using a tree structure?
• Wikipedia:Reference desk/Humanities#In the humanities, what are the applications and benefits of a tree structure?
• Wikipedia:Reference desk/Language#What are the benefits of using tree structures in linguistic communications?
• Wikipedia:Reference desk/Miscellaneous#With respect to the fields covered by this refdesk, what are the applications and benefits of a tree structure?

What are the benefits of outlines, over and above regular articles?

What benefits have you noticed?

How are Wikipedia's outlines useful to you?

I look forward to your answers on my talk page.

The Transhumanist    04:41, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Contest proposal

A proposal has been posted for a contest between all 200 country WikiProjects. We need to know how this contest should be run, and what problems to look out for.

The Transhumanist    17:43, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Has the shit hit the fan? - WPOOK update, 05/25/2009

Maybe...

We've started the next phase

I was experiencing mental block on the article draft for "outline" and on the outline guideline draft. And this was holding the whole project back. Without these (which are intended to explain the type of lists known as outlines in detail), the danger is higher that a controversy could go the wrong way.

I requested help on them, but there was none forthcoming.

So I went ahead and started us on the next phase of operations without those 2 pages...

Our AWB'ers and I have placed about 1600 notices all over Wikipedia. And the plan is to place several thousand more.

This generated only one complaint, but it was a very vocal one, and attracted a few other detractors who seemed unfamiliar with the concept of hierarchical outlines and their benefits. However, just as many or more editors came to the defense of the OOK, and there was no consensus formed. But, dab is still trying to rally opposition to outlines at the Village Pump. See below...

Administrator noticeboard incident and Village Pump policy discussion

It appears that the banner placed on the talk page of the Outline of Switzerland caught the attention of an editor named Dbachmann who posted a rather forceful message on my talk page, another on WT:WPOOK, another at WP:VPP, and still another at WP:AN!

He went well out of his way to use negative hype to cause a stir.

It appears that Mr. Bachmann doesn't understand the nature of hierarchical outlines and their applications. And though he implied that he has never seen an OOK outline before, he was involved with a discussion on these when they were called "lists of basic topics".

His primary argument is that outlines are content forks of articles, and violate WP:CFORK.

But "topic lists", of which outlines are a type, have been around for almost as long as Wikipedia, and fall under the WP:LISTS and WP:STAND guidelines. They aren't intended as forks, as they are lists, bringing the benefits of lists to the corresponding subjects, such as grouping and navigation.

Someone suggested an MfD, but lists are articles, and are within the jurisdiction of AfD. Only the portal page, which merely lists the outline articles, falls within the scope of the MfD department.

The administrator's noticeboard was considered the wrong venue for the discussion, and the discussion was closed.

But Dab's discussion at the Village Pump is still active. Hopefully level heads will prevail there too.

Now what?

Am I disheartened or deterred? Hell no. I say "full steam ahead!"

But we really need to finish the article draft and the guideline. Otherwise there will continue to be confusion.

Over the next week or two, we'll be posting another 1600 or so notices. It's a good thing we didn't send out 10,000 of them all at once.  :)

The Transhumanist    23:39, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

P.S.: Another related thread has popped up at WP:VPR#OoK's expediency. --TT   04:33, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

rfa

I added questions. Cheers, and best wishes on you RFA Dlohcierekim 00:38, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, I just answered you questions and that's for the good wishes :). All the Best, Mifter (talk) 01:18, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

I actually already thought you were an admin, Mifter. Good luck with your RfA! Jamie^☆S93 15:31, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Good luck, if I may, I'll be able to use my little known rfa template: Mifter (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA). It comes in handy when you want to refer to why and how the editor was nominated, but I definitely think the project needs more admins like you. And here is a little DYK of my own: Articles with a WP: prefix will automatically redirect to Wikipedia: namespace. Try it! –BuickCenturyDriver 03:09, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Mifter, I added a few questions at your RfA. You're a nice editor, and essentially, I want you to prove me wrong and show that you'll do well managing the delete button. Otherwise, I haven't really seen evidence that you have an intuition with deletion (it's a feel sometimes, rather than following every rule and pattern). I know how RfAs can be stressing, so don't feel too rushed to answer my questions. Best, Jamie^☆S93 22:30, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

In this case, I'd be happy to prove you wrong, I get what you mean about doing things by feel and not just policy, and I'm on IRC in wikipedia-en, if you would like to talk to me about any concerns you may have :). All the Best, Mifter (talk) 22:37, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Sure, take your time. :-) A couple of the questions don't have "correct" answers, but instead are meant to give me and others a feel for how you would approach situations. I've only been a sysop for a few weeks, but it's already been a mix of very clear, easy decisions, and also ones that take some minutes of thought. For me, early on I would often see cases at C:SD that would be kind of perplexing, but would just watch and leave them alone. Over time, I've started to make more of those decisions (declining speedies, etc.), and thus far nobody has yelled at me. ;-) If you become an admin, I think you should be alright if you take this kind of approach, as you mentioned at your RfA; start with easy cases, and observe. Cheers, Jamie^☆S93 23:22, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Heh, ironically enough that was virtually identical to the strategy that I am planning on adopting if I get the bit, I am going to focus on the "easy" csd categories first e.g. orphan talk pages, etc, and then I would work my way out and if I got confused, I would wait to see how other editors/admins would handle it :). All the Best, Mifter (talk) 23:28, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

As a simple nudge, do you plan on answering my other RfA questions? I believe it's been all of 4 days. Cheers, Jamie^☆S93 17:25, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Memphis May Fire

Hello! Your submission of Memphis May Fire at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Jamie^☆S93 15:24, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

+++ URGENT REPLY +++ I do not recall uploading image Xx and I do not recognize it. (talk) 19:35, 31 May 2009 (CET) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Christine T (talk • contribs)

DYK for Elk Creek (Rogue River)

On May 31, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Elk Creek (Rogue River), which you recently nominated. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Royalbroil 20:22, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

RE: DYK

Thanks Mifter! I shall take a look at that review too. SGGH ^ping! 22:06, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

DYK

Hi Mifter,

I noticed whilst lurking your RfA that you were versed in WP:DYK. I was interested in becoming involved in that branch of the project and I was hoping that you could perhaps give me a sort of mentorship if you have the time. Ie I would run my opinions by you and see if you agreed, asked questions, and asked you to explain different functions of DYK. If you are interested and have the time, I would greatly appreciate it :) If you deem to reply, please do so on my talk. MacMed^talk_stalk 02:29, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Congrats admin!

Mifter (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) My admin log

Congratulations!

It is my great pleasure to inform you that your Request for Adminship has closed successfully and you are now an administrator! Useful Links: • Administrators' reading list • Administrators' how-to guide • • Administrator's Noticeboard • Administrator's Noticeboard for Incidents • Administrator's Noticeboard for 3RR • IRC admin channel (#wikipedia-en-admins connect) Your admin logs: • blocks • deletions • moves • protects • uploads •

— Rlevse • Talk • 22:52, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Congratulations! - Dank (push to talk) 22:54, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Best wishes for your new administrative venture. :-) Jamie^☆S93 23:52, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Congrats! I've taken the liberty of bumping you from the DYK non-admin helpers to the willing to help admins. Shubinator (talk) 00:17, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Congrats! Good luck, OtisJimmyOne 01:16, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Indeed, well done. I'm glad your RFA, in the end, did pass. I was a little worried :) All the best, Steve Crossin ^Talk/_{Help us mediate!} 04:59, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Congrats Mifter! I knew you could do it :). Malinaccier (talk) 05:18, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

My congrats to you as well, good luck with the tools! –BuickCenturyDriver 08:36, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Congratulations. Here is some terrific advice I received from the puppy when I received my shiny new mop:

Remember you will always protect the wrong version. Remember you must always follow the rules, except for when you ignore them. You will always pick the wrong one to do. (See #5) Remember to assume good faith and not bite. Remember that when you are applying these principles most diligently, you are probably dealing with a troll. Use the block ability sparingly. Enjoy the insults you receive when you do block. Remember when you make these errors, someone will be more than happy to point them out to you in dazzling clarity and descriptive terminology. and finally, Remember to contact me if you ever need assistance, and I will do what I am able. KrakatoaKatie 22:10, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

DISCLAIMER: This humor does not reflect the official humor of Wikipedia, the Wikimedia Foundation, or Jimbo Wales. All rights released under GFDL.

I voted against you......

But congrastulations. I hope you are successfull in your attempt as admin. Cheers Hell in a Bucket (talk) 23:43, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Talkback

Hello, Mifter. You have new messages at Next-Genn-Gamer's talk page.
You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

--Next-Genn-Gamer 00:02, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

oh my goodness

What do you have against me and my articles? I put them up because that is what I feel I should do, and then you go and delete them?? For goodness sake, go and delete someone else's article. So far you have deleted my page twice! Who do you think you are to go ruining someones happiness and occupation?????

I don't get you. There are no words to describe the level of anger and contempt I feel for you —Preceding unsigned comment added by Christy.lee.cherry (talk • contribs) 02:17, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Please leave my articles alone. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Christy.lee.cherry (talk • contribs) 02:21, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Hey there Christy, I'm sorry that your upset that your article was deleted, if you would like, I can e-mail you a copy of both versions of the article that were deleted if you would like to try to improve the article. The main thing that was wrong with the article was that it didn't show why it was notable and a reason for it to be included on Wikipedia, also the way the article was written was like an advertisement which could be considered WP:SPAM. If you would be able to improve the article to pass WP:V using some WP:RS and if you could also get the article WP:N, then the article would be fine for inclusion and it would not be deleted. If you have any questions about improving the article, or any questions in general, please feel free to ask me :). All the Best, Mifter (talk) 02:59, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Queues

Hey, first off congrats on becoming an admin but in an hour Queue 5 will update and the bot that updates the template will then update Queue 6 however that one is empty, because you accidentally moved the hooks from prep 1 to Queue 1. If you get this message before it is changed, please fix that. Cheers,--Giants27 (t|c|r|s) 02:57, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Oops, thats my mistake, I'll fix that now :P. All the Best, Mifter (talk) 03:00, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

No problem, everyone makes mistakes at sometimes (God knows I do ;))--Giants27 (t|c|r|s) 03:03, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

 Done :). Best, Mifter (talk) 03:04, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

What?

What the hell, why did you delete my article? --Brad Polard (talk) 18:28, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Hey their Brad, I deleted your both of your articles because of two separate reasons, the one with an IP address as a title, because it appeared to be a test page, because the only content on the page was "Hi", and I deleted the article Bradley Polard because it didn't show why it was notable and why it deserved to be included in an encyclopedia, if you would like, I can e-mail you a copy of one or both articles so you can work on them and re-introduce them as articles later one once they pass WP:N and WP:V. If you would like more guidance on writing articles, you can see WP:FIRST for some tips. If you have any more questions, please feel free to ask :). Thanks and All the Best, Mifter (talk) 19:02, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

reply quickly

why did you delete my page jack crisp for no reason it wasnt hurting anyone —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.194.208.111 (talk) 19:49, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Hey their, I deleted Jack Crisp because it appeared to be a nonsense page and because of that it fit under WP:CSD#G1. If you have any more questions, please feel free to ask :). All the Best, Mifter (talk) 19:54, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Very useful indeed!

		The Original Barnstar
		I've just started to use your "Easy DYK Link Script", and I just know it's going to save me lots of time and effort when I'm dashing around between different pages, as I do all the time. Many thanks for having and implementing this nifty idea! Hassocks5489 (tickets please!) 20:39, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

I'm glad you like the script :), I have been using a different version of the same .js for a while now and I thought that other users could benefit from the the same script, so I put it into its own script for other users to use and benefit from :). If you have any suggestions for improving the script, I would be happy to hear them :). All the Best, Mifter (talk) 20:44, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

United States presidential election in California, 2008

You recently semi-protected the article United States presidential election in California, 2008 after Jerzeykydd made a request. He has been removing parts of the article and the matter is being discussed here. I believe that he made the request thinking he could circumvent discussing the matter. I wanted to bring this to your attention because the semi-protection does not effect any of the parties involved (all are established editors) and because I believe Jerzeykydd's request was unwarranted. – Zntrip 21:40, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Hmm, I hadn't seen that, I took Jerzeykydd's word (in his edit summaries) when he said he had done the reverts to revert vandalism and that he was not reverting to attempt to force his opinion on an article, and I was unaware of the discussion on the talk page, I have unprotected the article being that the protection was unwarranted, and by the way I commend you for trying to work out your dispute calmly and by not edit warring or making personal attacks :). All the Best, Mifter (talk) 21:48, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Talkback re protection

Hello, Mifter. You have new messages at Talk:United States presidential election, 2012.
You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

— Hysteria18 ^{(Talk • Contributions)} 22:09, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

I have spend whole day, breaking my head, just figure it out about the all codes. And after a few hours I make it to "write the article" .(about the "Angelgoat", which you have delete it) After a while, I got the message, with the "nomination of deletion". And why is that? Because some stupid policy of this web site, which I have intentions to never visit this site again! Fuck you all... I hope you get a lot of this kind of e-mails. And tell me how not to be angry?? It`s idiotic... The websites should have more visit, not to push the people away, which you make it to do. I can ask you nicely to delete my account. Thanks you.

Carnager666