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Straw poll for selecting pics of 2008 cricketers

Photos were taken at the team parade at the training for ODIs in January/February 2009 at Adelaide Oval.

Unlike the Indian team last year, they actually took training seriously. They were all very gentlemanly. Very dignified and genial. YellowMonkey (click here to vote for world cycling's #1 model!) 07:20, 26 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment (numbering pictures from 1, 2, 3 etc, left to right) and ~~~~

Poll: Tim Southee bowling

also

1 - I like the ball being visible in the photo. Also, face not obscured by net. Pdfpdf (talk) 10:58, 26 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
5: by far the best composition and color balance. Durova^Charge! 04:53, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
5 is excellent for showing his action - even to the extent of clearly showing his fingers and the seam. --195.194.4.65 (talk) 16:19, 21 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
5 per above. Any of the first four at fish. --brew crewer (yada, yada) 01:20, 29 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
5 - Probably the best pic as it's in match conditions. Aaroncrick^{(Tassie Boy talk)} 03:45, 25 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
5 - Clarity and action. Benders Game 23:08, 29 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
5 - Photo no. 5 is good. AdjustShift (talk) 08:41, 1 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
5 seems the best of the lot.--Dakota (Sandahl at work or on wikibreak) 19:01, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Poll: Tim Southee

3 - nice smile Pdfpdf (talk) 10:59, 26 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
3 Durova^Charge! 04:54, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
3 no question. --195.194.4.65 (talk) 16:20, 21 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
1. The third is too close to the camera. --brew crewer (yada, yada) 01:23, 29 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
1 or 3 - Don't mind which one is used. Aaroncrick^{(Tassie Boy talk)} 03:47, 25 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
3 - 1 is too bright. Benders Game 23:09, 29 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
3 nice smile.--Dakota (Sandahl at work or on wikibreak) 19:02, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Poll: Peter Fulton

3 if it were darker; 5 because it is darker; 3rd choice: 4. Pdfpdf (talk) 11:05, 26 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
5 Durova^Charge! 04:55, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
4. Although what looks like a giant cup is a bit disconcerting. --brew crewer (yada, yada) 01:27, 29 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
4 - Although agree with User:Brewcrewer Aaroncrick^{(Tassie Boy talk)} 03:48, 25 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
2 - In photo no. 5, he looks a little fat. :-) AdjustShift (talk) 08:43, 1 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
3 - I think.--Dakota (Sandahl at work or on wikibreak) 14:26, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Poll: Neil Broom

0 - not too keen on any of them. Pdfpdf (talk) 11:07, 26 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
3 - needs histogram balanced to brighten it a touch. Durova^Charge! 04:56, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
2. Brightest. --brew crewer (yada, yada) 01:29, 29 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
3 - If brightened. Aaroncrick^{(Tassie Boy talk)} 03:49, 25 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
3 brighten if possible.--Dakota (Sandahl at work or on wikibreak) 19:04, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Poll: Martin Guptill

probably 2 Pdfpdf (talk) 11:09, 26 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
3 Durova^Charge! 04:58, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
3. The other pics indicate that he's another guy who doesn't like yellow monkeys.--brew crewer (yada, yada) 01:30, 29 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
2 or 3 Aaroncrick^{(Tassie Boy talk)} 03:50, 25 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
3--Dakota (Sandahl at work or on wikibreak) 14:30, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Poll: Ken "KG" Cunningham

2 - Oh dear. He's not ageing well, is he. Pdfpdf (talk) 11:10, 26 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
2 Durova^Charge! 05:03, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
2. The other pic at Tip of the tongue.--brew crewer (yada, yada) 01:48, 29 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
2 - Keep the tongue in. Aaroncrick^{(Tassie Boy talk)} 03:52, 25 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
2 no tongue --Dakota (Sandahl at work or on wikibreak) 19:09, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Poll: Jeetan Patel

0 Pdfpdf (talk) 11:15, 26 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
2, but not by much. Durova^Charge! 05:05, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
3. The second pic at Sneeze.--brew crewer (yada, yada) 01:50, 29 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
3 - Just Aaroncrick^{(Tassie Boy talk)} 03:53, 25 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
3 --Dakota (Sandahl at work or on wikibreak) 19:10, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Poll: Jeetan Patel bowling

0 Pdfpdf (talk) 11:16, 26 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
3 the only one where his face isn't obstructed. Durova^Charge! 05:06, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
3 - Aaroncrick^{(Tassie Boy talk)} 03:54, 25 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
3 - AdjustShift (talk) 08:45, 1 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
3- --Dakota (Sandahl at work or on wikibreak) 14:31, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Poll: Grant Elliott

maybe 2 if it were darker? Pdfpdf (talk) 11:18, 26 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
2 Durova^Charge! 05:07, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
2 Aaroncrick^{(Tassie Boy talk)} 03:55, 25 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
2 nice --Dakota (Sandahl at work or on wikibreak) 19:12, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Poll: Craig Cumming

0 Pdfpdf (talk) 11:23, 26 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
2 Durova^Charge! 05:09, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
2 - Looks more pro? Aaroncrick^{(Tassie Boy talk)} 03:56, 25 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Poll: Trent Boult bowling

Hard one! 1 has ball in it; 2 is better, but no ball; 3 has great shot of ball, but not so good of Trent. 1 or 2 Pdfpdf (talk) 11:27, 26 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
1 Durova^Charge! 05:10, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
3 - Has the ball Aaroncrick^{(Tassie Boy talk)} 03:56, 25 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
1 or 2. 3 has the ball but he looks like he threw it at the Yellow monkey.--Dakota (Sandahl at work or on wikibreak) 14:38, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Poll: Brendon Diamanti bowling

tossup - maybe 1 Pdfpdf (talk) 11:20, 26 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
2 Durova^Charge! 05:12, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
2 - Brendon who? Aaroncrick^{(Tassie Boy talk)} 03:57, 25 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
1 - less fencing obscuring his face.--Dakota (Sandahl at work or on wikibreak) 00:25, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Poll: Brendon Diamanti fielding

2 Pdfpdf (talk) 11:28, 26 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
2 Durova^Charge! 05:13, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
2 - Ball in pic and not too bright. Aaroncrick^{(Tassie Boy talk)} 03:58, 25 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
2--Dakota (Sandahl at work or on wikibreak) 00:21, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Poll: Ashley Mallett

1 Pdfpdf (talk) 11:31, 26 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
2 Durova^Charge! 05:14, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
2 Aaroncrick^{(Tassie Boy talk)} 02:31, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Poll: Albie Morkel

2 Durova^Charge! 05:15, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
2 Aaroncrick^{(Tassie Boy talk)} 02:32, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Poll: Ben_Hilfenhaus bowling

2- Best full expression. Aaroncrick^{(Tassie Boy talk)} 07:56, 26 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
1 Action with ball in frame. Durova^Charge! 05:16, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
2- I'll go with photo no. 2. AdjustShift (talk) 09:18, 1 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Poll: Cameron White bowling

3 Durova^Charge! 05:17, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
3 Aaroncrick^{(Tassie Boy talk)} 02:29, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Poll: Dale Steyn

2 Durova^Charge! 05:18, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
2 or 3 Aaroncrick^{(Tassie Boy talk)} 02:30, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Poll: Dale Steyn bowling

2 Durova^Charge! 05:19, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
2 Aaroncrick^{(Tassie Boy talk)} 02:33, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Poll: David Hussey bowling

2 Durova^Charge! 05:21, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
??? Aaroncrick^{(Tassie Boy talk)} 02:34, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Poll: David Hussey

2 Durova^Charge! 06:00, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
1 Aaroncrick^{(Tassie Boy talk)} 02:34, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Poll: Hashim Amla

3 Durova^Charge! 06:02, 14 April 2009 (UTC)...Sorry Durova and YM the last image has gone now - Peripitus (Talk) 12:16, 20 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oh that guy copyvios a lot from Cricinfo, well that means one of my images stays! YellowMonkey (cricket calendar poll!) 01:26, 21 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Poll: Herschelle Gibbs fielding

3 Durova^Charge! 06:23, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
3 - Agree with Durova. AdjustShift (talk) 08:47, 1 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
1/3 Aaroncrick^{(Tassie Boy talk)} 02:36, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Poll: Herschelle Gibbs

2 Durova^Charge! 22:26, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
2 Aaroncrick^{(Tassie Boy talk)} 02:36, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Poll: Jacques Kallis

1 Durova^Charge! 22:28, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
1 Aaroncrick^{(Tassie Boy talk)} 02:37, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Poll: Johan Botha bowling

2 Durova^Charge! 22:30, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
2 Aaroncrick^{(Tassie Boy talk)} 02:38, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Poll: Johan Botha fielding

3 Durova^Charge! 03:15, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
3 Aaroncrick^{(Tassie Boy talk)} 02:38, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Poll: Johan Botha

5 Durova^Charge! 03:24, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
4 Aaroncrick^{(Tassie Boy talk)} 02:39, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Poll: JP Duminy bowling

1 Durova^Charge! 03:53, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
1 Aaroncrick^{(Tassie Boy talk)} 02:39, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Poll: JP Duminy

1 Durova^Charge! 03:56, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
1 Aaroncrick^{(Tassie Boy talk)} 02:41, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Poll: Les Burdett

‎

1 Durova^Charge! 03:56, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
1 Aaroncrick^{(Tassie Boy talk)} 02:41, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Poll: Makhaya Ntini

2 Durova^Charge! 03:59, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
??? Aaroncrick^{(Tassie Boy talk)} 02:42, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Poll: Makhaya Ntini bowling

2 Durova^Charge! 04:00, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Poll: Mark Boucher

2 Durova^Charge! 04:02, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Poll: Mickey Arthur

1 Durova^Charge! 04:31, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Poll: Mike Hussey bowling

1 Durova^Charge! 04:32, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Poll: Mike Hussey

1 (don't like any of them though) Durova^Charge! 04:34, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Poll: Mike Young

2 Durova^Charge! 04:34, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Poll: Mitchell Johnson bowling

2 Durova^Charge! 04:35, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
6 - it is clear. AdjustShift (talk) 08:48, 1 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Poll: Morne Morkel bowling

5 Durova^Charge! 04:36, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Poll: Morne Morkel

1 Durova^Charge! 04:37, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Poll: Nathan Hauritz bowling

2 - Hard to tell the difference! (I guess that means he's consistent!!) Pdfpdf (talk) 11:44, 26 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
2 - Much of a muchness. He consistently bowled crap yesterday! Aaroncrick^{(Tassie Boy talk)} 05:22, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
2 Durova^Charge! 04:38, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Poll: Nathan Hauritz

3 Durova^Charge! 04:40, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
3 Calliopejen1 (talk) 22:55, 18 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Poll: Neil McKenzie

1 needs cropping top and left, and levels balanced though. Durova^Charge! 04:41, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
1 (agree w durova) Calliopejen1 (talk) 22:54, 18 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Poll: Shaun Marsh

1 Durova^Charge! 04:42, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Poll: Shaun Tait bowling

1 Durova^Charge! 04:43, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Poll: shaun Tait

3 not by much though; basically a tossup. Durova^Charge! 04:44, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
1. When you see the full version of 3 it's not as attractive. Tschravic (talk) 07:47, 30 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
1 Calliopejen1 (talk) 22:54, 18 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Poll: Tim Nielsen bowling

3 Durova^Charge! 04:46, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Poll: Wayne Parnell bowling

2 Durova^Charge! 04:48, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Poll: Vaughn van Jaarsveld

1 Durova^Charge! 04:51, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
1 Calliopejen1 (talk) 22:53, 18 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
1--Dakota (Sandahl at work or on wikibreak) 00:18, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Poll: Lonwabo Tsotsobe bowling

2 Durova^Charge! 04:51, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
2 --Dakota (Sandahl at work or on wikibreak) 00:17, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Poll: Lonwabo Tsotsobe

2 Durova^Charge! 04:53, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
1 Calliopejen1 (talk) 22:53, 18 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
2 --Dakota (Sandahl at work or on wikibreak) 00:16, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Poll: Andrew Hilditch

2 Durova^Charge! 04:54, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
2 Calliopejen1 (talk) 22:52, 18 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
2 He'd rather take his dog for a walk. Aaroncrick^{(Tassie Boy talk)} 02:44, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
2 --Dakota (Sandahl at work or on wikibreak) 00:14, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Everything else

York Park

Yes I'm at it again! I know your a busy man, but would you mind again quickly looking over the York Park art, keeping in mind Talk:York Park/GA3. Also, do you support moving the "Northern Stand redevelopment" section to "History' >>> Sorry to be a pain. Thanks Aaroncrick^{(Tassie Boy talk)} 06:19, 28 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. I think think redevs are supposed to be in the history/evolution YellowMonkey (cricket calendar poll!) 06:36, 28 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

And with the Mumbai art, being a rare Tasmanian to edit on here I can understand your frustration, it's just that your probably the best article writer on here I know. Aaroncrick^{(Tassie Boy talk)} 06:30, 28 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Not at all. See the likes of Awadewit (talk · contribs), Cla68 (talk · contribs) and WillowW (talk · contribs) and see how they exhaustively read up so many books. It's easier to write a cricket biog as there is less dependence on background info, but for wars etc, lots of sources give conflicting info but for scorecards they all agree. I just found a book called "The Summer Game" by Gideon Haigh and need to broaden my cricket FAs with the extra info. And as for tough people, Willow said that Phan Dinh Phung was only just B-class but it passed FA with only minor changes after....Willow is really meticulous. I'm soft, press my belly! YellowMonkey (cricket calendar poll!) 06:36, 28 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ha, well don't know how they do it... Aaroncrick^{(Tassie Boy talk)} 06:47, 28 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Awadewit, probably a very distant relative. Aaroncrick^{(Tassie Boy talk)} 06:51, 28 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Awadewit is scholar of English literature in RL. Willow is a science professor I think. Oh, there will be questions about undue weight because 50% of the history is about the last 10 years. YellowMonkey (cricket calendar poll!) 06:59, 28 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yes I've been thinking that would be the case, but there really is nothing about on what happened before 1998. Even in the few books on Lauceston's history, there is virtually nothing, in fact there is more on the NTCA Ground. Probably because not much went on there until late. Aaroncrick^{(Tassie Boy talk)} 08:09, 28 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks muchly :) Aaroncrick^{(Tassie Boy talk)} 08:17, 28 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

If it was a paddock then there might be nothing to say. YellowMonkey (cricket calendar poll!) 01:34, 29 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Internets stopped working, I'm on my Ipod! Aaroncrick^{(Tassie Boy talk)} 23:01, 29 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Lol is that why you stopped voting YellowMonkey (cricket calendar poll!) 03:28, 1 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

MarshallBagramyan

Hi, as you probably already know, this editor is a party to an ongoing arbitration request. Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case#Moses_of_Chorene Could you please make a statement about the results, and also forward the correspondence to the committee, or one member of the committee if you don't want me to see it. John Vandenberg ^(chat) 14:31, 28 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Actually I didn't know. I don't think the other arbs will be bothered if their arbitration parties go AWOL, but anyway, there is hardly anything to explain as it is easier for them to simply look for themselves if they are bothered. YellowMonkey (cricket calendar poll!) 01:34, 29 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hi! Is there a page where one can read more information on this precise case? I'm really surprised... Sardur (talk) 13:57, 4 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No. There isn't. Some people say it's some people sharing a computer... YellowMonkey (cricket calendar poll!) 03:37, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hi again! I'm now puzzled: if I understand you correctly, there's some doubt about it, so why are these two accounts blocked?

Sorry for my questions, but CUs seem to work differently here (I'm from wk:fr), and I would like to understand. Sardur (talk) 05:31, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Well no, the CU machine works on the same algorithm for all, some people have claimed that they are roommates or share the same computer but CU can't tell the same computer apart if two people use it. They both edite dthe same stuff as you can see YellowMonkey (cricket calendar poll!) 06:23, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

OK, I didn't mean how CUs work in that way (that was more about the link between the result and the Checkuser's conclusion, and in this case in dubio pro reo).

Same stuff, quite true, but the two accounts had sometimes slightly different opinions, as can be seen for instance on Talk:Moses of Chorene where The Diamond Apex provided valuable informations (imho) and where he displayed a deeper undestanding of the issue (still imho).

Anyway, thanks for your answers. Sardur (talk) 09:27, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Lake Burley Griffin

Did you mean to leave the history content showing on both the main Lake page and History of page. I assume you would delete the redundant content from the main page Chrisfromcanberra (talk) 02:39, 1 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think the split is necessary at the moment, but it makes no sense for the daughter to be less detailed than the parent, so I just left it there. YellowMonkey (cricket calendar poll!) 03:28, 1 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Also, things like History of the ACT, Yarralumla, Canberra are sitting ducks for WP:FAR unless fixed up. I think your knowledge would be invaluable. YellowMonkey (cricket calendar poll!) 07:12, 1 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Như Quỳnh

Hello. Just wondered why you reverted my edit to Như Quỳnh. I had always wondered how to pronounce her name, so took the trouble to listen through a video on youtube about her (all in Vietnamese, couldn't understand a thing) - fortunately at the end of the introduction the announcer clearly introduced her before she sang, so that's how I found out how to say it. Unfortunately, I'm not familiar with the technicalities of the pronunciation nomenclature and character set, so I transliterated it into normal speech in a manner I considered unambiguous. I don't have the facilities to create and upload sound files. What do you suggest as a better alternative method for us to include pronunciation information? Are you able to create those pronunciation things (that look like hieroglyphics)? Any help would be appreciated. Cheers. Hebrides (talk) 06:57, 1 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't consider the English analog to be very accurate at all so I felt it better to remove it. Vietnamese phonology has the details if you want. I could in theory record it and get someone to convert the wav into ogg as I don't have ogg. Although I have a bass baritone voice that isn't good for tonal languages like Vietnamese. Also I don't think a southern accent is good either. YellowMonkey (cricket calendar poll!) 07:04, 1 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Photo

Dear YM,

I voted on your poll. It was fun! :-) I don't know all the cricketers, so I didn't voted on every cricketers. I like this photo of Jeetan Patel. AdjustShift (talk) 09:03, 1 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You don't need any knowledge of the players to vote! YellowMonkey (cricket calendar poll!) 02:16, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

FAR

Hi YellowMonkey,

I am asking for your viewpoint because I value your advice and judgment. However, feel free not to respond if you do not want to get involved.

When every I see your requests for help on the FAC talk page, as I just did, I am tempted to help on FAR. Currently, as you may know, I am in arbitration, and because of the trouble I had a FAR, my behavior at FAR is a big issue there.

There is a current proposal at Arbitration for a way of monitoring my behavior that would pertain to FAR, if I should ever venture into that territory again. The proposal would entail one or more of my three monitors striking out comments, refactoring talkpage comments, and admonishing or warning other editors if the monitors felt it necessary. They would also, of course, be warning me and possibly blocking me. The proposal is here: User:Moni3/Mattisse stewards arbcom.

My concern it that this amount of involvement at FAR by my monitors would be intrusive to the FAR process. However, I may be off base in this assessment. Perhaps you would even welcome the involvement of my monitors.

I have also a counter plan but it would not address specific issues to the same degree. It is at User talk:Mattisse/Plan‎, should you care to comment.

Warmest regards, —Mattisse (Talk) 10:47, 1 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I don't have a problem with your participation at FAR. If there is any rioting then it gets dealt with in the normal way. I can't foresee any major riots. A main tactic of article writers/owners at FAR (especially when the article is way old) is that because they are the incumbents they feel that they have an advantage by stalling the FAR because it is more likely to result in a keep due to inertia even though the article would cop 5-6 pile-on opposes within 2-3 days at FAC and would have no hope unless fixed. Most people from the incumbent camp view FAR as a soft target and a lot try to use inertia to drag their old articles through without having to comply with modern standards. This strategy is usually implemented by one or more of

rioting in order to deter reviewers. If they drive off reviewers at FAC, then the owner loses.
filibustering in order to deter reviewers. If they drive off reviewers at FAC, then the owner loses.
Saying they can't see any problem and pretending to be blind to the problems even when they would never dare try to nominate an equivalent [B-class] quality article [with no citations, inconsistencies everywhere] for FAC
- After that they only fix the explicit examples given, cut and paste the five suggestions, and come back and ask for explicit changes again even though everything is inconsistent and over and over until the reviewer gets bored and drops the case and the article is kept even though the article would get smashed at FAC.
Flagrantly ignoring WIAFA and hoping that being persistent in any of the above ways will work because of inertia/incumbency

In the case of people who vote however they feel without regard to the criteria (mostly keeps), it does register in my brain. So do people who are inconsistent and target some and support flagrant violations etc. That takes out the last case. In the first two cases, if either the author/owner will not make any changes and says that there is nothing wrong and says/implies that any criticism of the article = trolling, then the correct thing to do is to simply disengage as examples have already been given in the nomination statement. Ditto for the reverse if the author/owner thinks that the nominator is being vexatious, it isn't necessary to respond over and over... we can simply move to the FARC stage if no changes are going to be made... As for the case of people only half/cosmetically fixing the problem, I know of a few people who do that and I don't feed them. Even if you tell them about one inconsistency with an example they fix one and nag again.

It's all pretty easy really. I don't take kindly to people who try to use obstructionism (mainly keepers) to make articles unaccountable. Some people have exploited the FAR set up and the incumbency factor far too often, for far too long. In any case, the way it is at the moment, I think it is far less susceptible to bad-faith and foot-dragging. Those who want to improve articles have never been bothered; FAR on articles that are being improved are always serene. As for rioting/filibustering, I take it as a sign that people are trying to cut corners and do as little/no work by driving everyone off. In those cases, I tend to move it through as fast as possible as there is no point. There is also no point in anyone rioting/filibustering because I won't stand for it as a tactic of making things unaccountable (same applies for the converse, although this is much rarer). YellowMonkey (cricket calendar poll!) 02:16, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you very much for your response. I have noted with approval that your exercise of a firm hand have kept the inmates from taking over the asylum. Hopefully, one of these days, I will get back into editing and will be able to help you out. Regards, —Mattisse (Talk) 02:42, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think it's a good idea to refer to some people as mentally ill. While I know that many people including high-ranking users eg, crats/arbs/CU/OS use that language to describe people who disagree with them (and often it's because they aren't pampered or their mates don't win an election even though they're hopeless), and they won't ever be taken to task for habitually more abrasive language, you are under investigation. I am willing to delist articles without majority support if people ignore the criteria like Mumbai above; I don't know if there were instances of it previously but I can't recall any. YellowMonkey (cricket calendar poll!) 03:14, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry. The comment about inmates in the asylum was a joking reference to the French Revolution and the play, the Marat/Sade (in which I played a role once as an asylum inmate). Comments that are jokes are not a good idea, and I will not make such comments again. My comments will be much more restrained in the future. I am trying to come up with a means of monitoring/mentoring my behavior that will assure ArbCom I am causing no untoward disruption. If I participated at FAR would you be willing to report any disruption of the FAR process that I cause to my monitors/advisers/mentors along the lines of what User:Art LaPella has agreed to do so for DYK?[1] If you are willing, the best place to enter it would be on the Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Mattisse/Workshop. Thank you so much. Regards, —Mattisse (Talk) 14:19, 4 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

My User:YellowMonkey/FAR I used REcent chagnes on that one and see every comment on the FAR every day, it takes less than 2 minutes a day to check, basically, for most cases, YellowMonkey (cricket calendar poll!) 03:36, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The inmates are running the asylum is fairly common slang in the US, and almost never meant as an accusation that people are mentally ill. It apparently doesn't translate well across cultures. Karanacs (talk) 14:35, 4 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oh ok. I know a lot of arbs use that when they talk about people they don't like, and given the hatred in some cases, I presumed it was very strong language. I know one guy says that on his userpage—he fights with everyone YellowMonkey (cricket calendar poll!) 03:36, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

In my world "rioting in the asylum" remarks are not hostile or derogatory but rather a joking reference. In any event, it is probably best that I just don't edit at FAR. Regards, —Mattisse (Talk) 13:42, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your post on the arbitration workshop page. Regards, —Mattisse (Talk) 19:09, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Economy of Tasmania

I quickly started at stub on Economy of Tasmania, just a copy from the economy section in the Tasmania article. But then I got this message on my talkpage;

This is a fork from Tasmania, right? If so,

I think you should acknowledge that when creating the article, to comply with GFDL.
You should remove the content from Tasmania! The same content can't be in two places.

Looking at the Tasmania article, that section doesn't seem too long, so I'm not sure there is a benefit to this. I'll wait for your comments, from MSGJ. Do you Have any ideas on what I should do? Because I didn't know that Aaroncrick^{(Tassie Boy talk)} 22:43, 1 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

When you fork stuff you are supposed to put in the edit summary that it came from whatever article, so that people know that it is from another source and might be the result of groupwork and evolution, otherwise they think it is 100% your work. I'm not sure why the second part is not supposed to be allowed. YellowMonkey (cricket calendar poll!) 01:11, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, well I wacked that info onto the talk page. I'm not sure why the second part is not supposed to be allowed either. Aaroncrick^{(Tassie Boy talk)} 01:26, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Is York Park getting canned? Philcha is one of the tougher guys out there for GA. Tough GAs are better than half the ancient FAs.... YellowMonkey (cricket calendar poll!) 07:56, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

World 2020

Australia comfortably defeated Bangladesh in the world 2020, but after racking up 219 it is a bit concerning that they conceded 181 to the minnows don't you think? Although with further devlopment Shakib Al Hasan will become the best all-rounder in the world withing a couple of years. He would have to be the best left-arm finger spinner going round after Vetorri. Come to think of it there's no many left arm finger spinners going around in international cricket yet Bangladesh have at least three, with Rafique another retired a couple years back. Aaroncrick^{(Tassie Boy talk)} 06:54, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I hadn't checked the scores and had forgotten about it. Yes 181 doesn't sound good but these matches seem to be 13 a side and some teams appeared to be tinkering... come on Harbhajan batting ahead of Yuvraj? I see Tendulkar has been giving Dhoni captaincy tips :( Anyway, good to see Watson back, excellent player apart from the injuries although the bowling is a bit robotic having saud that 6 months ago M Johnson got most of his wickets from wides. Anyway, I think maybe the passion for cricket in Eastern India and Bangladesh isnt that high. After all West Bengal (~100 million people) is the other half of Bengal along with Bangladesh and Bengal cricket team have only had Ganguly and Pankaj Roy who were ever regular in Indian cricket team. Compare that to Karnataka cricket team, Tamil Nadu cricket team (both about 60 million people) and Mumbai cricket team who have many more long-term internationals and greats. All of Maharashtra has 100 million people and Mumbai is only one of three FC teams there and they have SRT, GAvaskar, Vijay Merchant, Vijay Hazare, Vinoo Mankad etc. Just have a look at the lists. Even Punjab cricket team has a lot more than Bengal despite only 20 million people. Yes, Shakib looks good. Razzaq and Rafique had decent averages but if you cut out sub minnows their ODI averages were beyond 40 IIRC. Does Shakib chuck? Kerry O'Keefe was talking about how finger spinners are bad and then he joked about Shakib having a 14.9 degree flex. LOL. Anyway good to see the young players doing well, especially my favourites Rohit and Raina YellowMonkey (cricket calendar poll!) 07:56, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

East Zone are the only zone that have never won the Duleep Trophy. Look at Indian cricket team only Dhoni is the regular guy from East. YellowMonkey (cricket calendar poll!) 08:06, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Just popped into CI and the new format is atrociuos YellowMonkey (cricket calendar poll!) 07:56, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yes I know it's very bad! Even harder to navigate! Imagine the crowds we'd get in Australia if we had 1 billion people! Even bigger for AFL. Yes Shakib chucks, Razzaq is worse! Although being a left arm finger spinner myself it's hard to get it to spin without bending the arm, especially on concrete, yet leg spin on concrete spins a mile! Aaroncrick^{(Tassie Boy talk)} 08:11, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Martin isn't too happy! It's from an art on wikipedia and saying it borders plagiarism it a bit far don't you think! There's plenty or arts on her that are similar to sections in the "main art" Aaroncrick^{(Tassie Boy talk)} 08:30, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

From my understanding, GFDL allows montages, like glueing together 5 of other people's images, so I can't see anything wrong here. I didn't suspect Razzak of chucking from the ODI series last year but things can look different from different angles. Harbhajan only looks funny from the batsman's view and Lindwall looks really dubious [to me anyway]with a side on shot that you can sse on youtube and on the Invincibles documentary but from the rear and a 45 degree angle it looks magical. YellowMonkey (cricket calendar poll!) 01:14, 3 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah I was watching the Invincibles documentary on Monday and noticed that. Botha seems to give the arm a bit of a bend then we've got Murali. Can't make my mind up on him. Aaroncrick^{(Tassie Boy talk)} 01:30, 3 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Was this on TV or a DVD/replay of the old ABC one made in 1998 with Mike Coward interviewing Harvey, Johnston, Brown, Johnson, Ring, Loxton and Hamence with them joking about Barnes stamping his sig and Toshack's friend misspelling the sig and where Loxton says "They weren't all that BAD, were they" about the Essex bowlers? Hope I didn't miss anything new. YellowMonkey (cricket calendar poll!) 01:38, 3 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah it was just the DVD. Saw the the Bradman interview (made in the 1980's?) on Fox Sports a few weeks ago, but you would have seen that. World 2020 warm up matches were on Fox sports this morning but missed them as there was nothing about them in the TV guide. Aaroncrick^{(Tassie Boy talk)} 01:47, 3 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The Bradman one made in 1988 with Michael Egan with his curly brown hair and odd way of staring at the camera? And a black-haired Neil Harvey talking and the green wacky font/captions? Seen that one. Didn't think it was very scholarly or profound like the Coward one. I thought Nine were showing T20 or are they only showing the Australian ones. In 2007 they only showed half the final after Australia bombed out. YellowMonkey (cricket calendar poll!) 01:53, 3 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure. You obviously don't have foxtel or austar? I'm not sure about Nine's coverage, normally pathetic! All I know is Fox Sports is covering all matches + Womens semi finals + Final. There will at least be Live Low quality streams of matches on the net. Oh and saw you vote at RFA for the first time! I'd imagine you would have in the past but not of late. Aaroncrick^{(Tassie Boy talk)} 02:01, 3 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Actually I nominated 18, 16 in 2006 and 2 in 2007. One failed in 2007, the rest all passed with 97% +. But I stopped. Too many guys after I nominated them I found out they were double-dealers and tried to trick other people and frame others of helping sockpuppets [including me] for their own political gains. Some were excellent though, Kusma (talk · contribs), Edgar181 (talk · contribs), Bduke (talk · contribs), Shyam (talk · contribs). It's a bit stereotypical but I think you can tell a lot about and predict a person's behaviour and integrity on WP by their RL occupation.... Up until mid-2007 I voted a lot. Having said that nowadays I know how to spot a social climber, self-promoting politician, coat-tail rider and predict who will be a double dealer much more easily. Back then I was completely naive YellowMonkey (cricket calendar poll!) 02:52, 3 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

How do you spot a social climber, and self-promoting politician? The political structure on WP is not good. There shouldn't be any difference between Admin/Crat/ArbCom and any good-faith regular editor. But, in practice, that's not the case. AdjustShift (talk) 03:28, 4 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Following around high-ranking users and flattering them all the time. The recipient might think it's nice but they might be left for dead in future once they're passed their use by date. Used to get arbs to give them CU, for instance
Trying to sign up to every possible job etc without being remotely interested; when people run for arbcom voters will support them if they have a long resume, irrespective of whether they did anything or not. I know one guy who topped AC elections and said he was an "Experienced mediator" - he joined up and did one case in 18 months
Hanging around FA-writers and joining in at FAC with token 2-minute edits and then going around and saying "we did this/that etc", but not using "we" when something bad happens. Trying to be a "Statesman" and "leader" in the way that politicians like to be photographed with sports champions etc. But never helping the FA writer when a riot engulfs their article or when they stuff up.
Tokenism. Showing fake empathy with people and never actually helping them with problems and permanently being stuck on the fence no matter what.
Frequenting high-traffic pages and making lots of tautological comments to pop up in many watchlists and get name recogntion without cheesing people off
Not doing the blocks/reverting of pov etc themselves but getting others to do the dirty work, and then blaming them for causing trouble
Trying to start a personality cult

And so forth, nothing you can't deduce using normal RL stuff really....As for WP, yes, it is a caste system. A lot of admins know they can't be blocked so they just bully and intimidate all day YellowMonkey (cricket calendar poll!) 05:15, 4 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You seem to know how to pick em ;) Aaroncrick^{(Tassie Boy talk)} 06:13, 4 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oh ok fair enough. In a peer review (I think) an editor once said it doesn't matter whether the link was in the lead or the body. That's why I removed them. Probably should have asked considering it's a FAC. Not to know. Aaroncrick^{(Tassie Boy talk)} 07:39, 4 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for replying to my query, BL. AdjustShift (talk) 16:56, 4 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

History of Lake Burley Griffin

I read your comments with interest but stand by my original remarks for what that's worth

When you get a moment you may be interested in checking the New York Harbour article. The first impression of the page is its very compact, succinct and includes some quality photos. Here my key point. If anything warrants having a long history section like LBG this would be it given it is about 350 years older than our lake. But in fact its half the length of the LBG article history section and all. How did they do it? What you'll also notice are the various links embedded within the article covering subtopic such as marine life, geography etc. Um where have I heard that before. The history of LBG warrants a separate page leaving the main page to be clean and focused and enticing. Chrisfromcanberra Chrisfromcanberra (talk) 09:28, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Actually the two subtopics on NY Harbor, they have no meet, it is just a list of geog entities and species that are in the water. I don't object to expanding the subarticle more. If you want the subarticle to be FA in its own right then a lot more detail is needed but for the main article I think it is OK. LBG was not long. It was 12k before the FAR, now it is 24k in prose, which is not long see Wikipedia talk:Featured article statistics the average is 20-25. Yarralumla is also only 18k in prose... Both are close to being mainstream for length YellowMonkey (cricket calendar poll!) 01:14, 3 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Third Test, 1932–33 Ashes series

Your comment inspired me! -- Mattinbgn\^talk 05:08, 3 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The one on the FAC or at WT:CRIC about Bodyline not being great? In any case I started copying in from Woodfull's article. YellowMonkey (cricket calendar poll!) 05:24, 3 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

At the FAC about needing more background about the Test. If ever a Test deserved an article, that one does. Good work on the expansion. Eventually, I would like to get to something like the "Progress of play" section in Second Test, 2007–08 Border-Gavaskar Trophy. -- Mattinbgn\^talk 05:41, 3 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I borrowed a book called "Bodyline Umpire" by Whitington in the last week so I can expand it if you want. I guess I could get to Bodyline Autopsy later; because I can't borrow it, it would be easier to build around a book that I can borrow. That's the only reason why I use Perry, because of accessbility; then I go to the state library and copy in better cites from the book that he plagiarised from but which I don't have next to me. YellowMonkey (cricket calendar poll!) 08:14, 3 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Also, created Richard Whitington as he's being referenced everywhere YellowMonkey (cricket calendar poll!) 08:14, 3 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I wonder if anyone is interested in getting Monkeygate to FA YellowMonkey (cricket calendar poll!) 08:16, 3 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Symonds career over! Aaroncrick^{(Tassie Boy talk)} 11:32, 4 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think so YellowMonkey (cricket calendar poll!) 03:36, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Just out of curiosity, what's "ce experts{?)" Cheers Aaroncrick^{(Tassie Boy talk)} 04:53, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Folks like Tony1 (talk · contribs) and Laser brain (talk · contribs) "With X verb-ing" isn't allowed on FAs! There's also a sock on the Keith Miller FAC YellowMonkey (cricket calendar poll!) 05:16, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Just keep a sharp eye on on my invincible topic edits, as my English isn't great, ;) Aaroncrick^{(Tassie Boy talk)} 05:25, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Fivetypes? Aaroncrick^{(Tassie Boy talk)} 05:30, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yes YellowMonkey (cricket calendar poll!) 06:23, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Great work on the expansion of this article. Thanks again for the ce and comments on Ponny. It's a bit daunting but I am slowly working through them all. When I get a chance I will leave some comments at EL of KM FAC. Cheers, Mattinbgn\^talk 08:13, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, FAC is a bit more testing than it was last year's, at least cricket ones are. YellowMonkey (cricket calendar poll!) 01:26, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

spam links

Hello Monkey, question for you: can you add a link to the "XLinkBot/RevertList"? I've been discussing an issue with RegentsPark; the relevant links and RP's advice is found here, User_talk:RegentsPark#Continued_vandalism.2C_spamming, if you don't mind my redirecting you. Any other thoughts you have are welcome also--page protection for the relevant pages is a bit too much, I think, and there's a whole bunch of IPs at work; see RP's comments on his talk. Thanks in advance for your help, Drmies (talk) 16:36, 4 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know how to operate teh spam blacklist. Don't you need some special tech account? YellowMonkey (cricket calendar poll!) 03:36, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know--User_talk:XLinkBot/RevertList didn't suggest that to me but in all honesty that article is not really written in a language I understand... Drmies (talk) 04:16, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Four Award

		Four Award
		Congratulations! You have been awarded the Four Award for your work all through on Pham Ngoc Thao.

Thanks, I should nominate someone YellowMonkey (cricket calendar poll!) 03:36, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Kashmir Freedom Movement

this article has no references and in external links section has a link to non existent website by same name. does it merit deletion Wikireader41 (talk) 02:13, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Well if has no sources and they can't be found then it should be YellowMonkey (cricket calendar poll!) 03:36, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Morotai_Mutiny WP:FOUR award nomination.

Please see User_talk:Ian_Rose#Morotai_Mutiny_problem. If you feel there is further discussion needed on this nomination, please contact me.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 06:52, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sock?

Sent you an email with details. Priyanath ^talk 05:06, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. Yeah, it does suck. I'm torn on the subject because there is so much COI already, by some of the most skilled Wikipedia editors. I see it regularly in religion/sects, nationalism/regionalism, politics, etc., so I confess to being a bit jaded about it, sadly. Priyanath ^talk 03:32, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Pakistani Textbooks

came across this interesting article on Indophobia bred in Pakistans Public schools (not justmadrassahs mind you). helps understand pakistani editors deep rooted POV against Indians. The subtle subversion. Interesting and thought provoking excerpt. 'Children are presently taught Pakistan Studies as a replacement for the teaching of history and geography as fullfledged disciplines. In the first 25 years of Pakistan, this was not the case. Children at that time were taught the very early history of South Asia, including pre-historic times. The books described in detail the ancient religious mythology of this region, the early great Hindu and Buddhist kingdoms of the Mauriyas and the Guptas, the Muslim conquests and establishment of Muslim sultanates in North India. This long historical perspective of our region is absent in more recent textbooks. Instead, children are now taught that the history of Pakistan starts from the day the first Muslim set foot in India.'

another excerpt 'Madrassas in Pakistan have recently been a focus of world attention for creating this kind of exclusionary and sectarian worldview. The religious education mixed with militancy is supposed to be the deadly mix, giving rise to the narrow vision that breeds hate and irrationality and results in the international jehad. This however is not entirely true. Madrassas are not the only institutions breeding hate, intolerance, a distorted worldview, etc. The educational material in the government run schools do much more than madrassas. The textbooks tell lies, create hatred, inculcates militancy, and much more.'

Wikireader41 (talk) 00:42, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

WR please try and assume good faith here towards fellow editors, you seem to believe that "pakistani editors [have] deep rooted POV against Indians." this is no more true than saying "Indian editors have deep rooted POV against Pakistanis" and would it be correct to claim the later is true by pointing this out? Pahari Sahib 09:58, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Well I ain't naive. I'm Asian too YellowMonkey (cricket calendar poll!) 01:26, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sunil Gavaskar

You reverted a change I made to Sunil Gavaskar. I added the fact that a song had been written about Sunil Gavaskar, and I backed this up with two references to reliable sources. You may have meant only to revert another editor's unreferenced change (adding "in a Maharashtrian Gaud Sarswat Brahmin family.") -- Eastmain (talk) 04:15, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for fixing this. -- Eastmain (talk) 00:56, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks YellowMonkey (cricket calendar poll!) 01:26, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Bravery

'tis a brave thing you have done, and done rightly so. I hold you in the highest esteem. Keegan^talk 20:21, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ditto. --Dakota (Sandahl at work or on wikibreak) 00:10, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Err, looks like people support paid editing. I don't agree with that but I would think that at the very least, those above admin level should have to declare any sponsorships and at least not openly advertise themselves. Cabinet ministers aren't allowed to do that [at least not openly]. YellowMonkey (cricket calendar poll!) 01:26, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

is it?

I read your post at JW's page. I cant help but wonder who this is? --Like I Care 01:51, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It's Nichalp. YellowMonkey (cricket calendar poll!) 02:22, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I thought so. I cant believe he could sell his wikipedia experience. --Like I Care 02:40, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Was that original question rhetorical out of interest because I thought you would have spotted the outing below. YellowMonkey (cricket calendar poll!) 02:50, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

just cautious just in case I had misunderstood. didnt mean to put you on the spot. --Like I Care 02:52, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I see how two patterns of argument develop about this issue, one questioning the ethical aspect and other "so what?" argument. interesting. I personally believe it is unethical. --Like I Care 03:02, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I found this development pretty saddening, since I greatly respect Nichalp contributions to the WPINDIA project. A part of me continues to hope that this is just some Joe job, even while recognizing the infinitesimal odds of that scenario.
As for the RFC itself: I find paid editing on wikipedia unacceptable both as an ethical and as a practical matter. I was shocked to read the RFC earlier today and find that my position was (and perhaps still is) pretty much an outlier, and I think this may be the first RFC that I have opined at. A sad situation all around. <sigh> Abecedare (talk) 03:22, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Well one article by the account that I checked was less than NPOV. I did a google search on the subject and found all sorts of info about lawsuits, fraud, run-ins with corporate watchdogs etc. Needless to say, the article only had a list of awards and achievements and things from the guy's own website, which is not reputable when contrasted with the stuff I found in the news. YellowMonkey (cricket calendar poll!) 02:47, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I am not surprised. If I were to pay good money to create an article, I would definitely try to have as glowing a profile as I can get away with. And if I am a relatively obscure person, company or product, there is essentially no limit on what I can get away with, since few neutral editors will ever care enough to thoroughly review an article on wikipedia that appears to follow MOS and has a lengthy-ish reference section. I will also make sure that my article is never nominated for a formal GA/FA review where its deficiencies may possibly be detected - and since my employee is the main contributor, that is easily ensured.

Here are two ads I read on elance (not related with Nichalp). The hiring client is pretty explicit about his goals:

Stable Wikipedia Product Placement

"Expand "carpet cleaning" article and create articles on "carpet dry cleaning" and on major system manufacturers. Competitors will be included but every sourceable and encyclopedic marketing spin will be present. Ongoing stability advocacy is included..."

wikipedia entry for boosting webtraffic

"We want to have a page created in Wikipedia about Carpet Dry Cleaning. We have already prepared an extensive content, and need someone to revise and adapt it. The goal is to get listed and have a backlink to our site ..."

And yes, both projects were accepted and completed. Paid editing on behalf of the article subject (or his detractor) is innately incompatible with COI and NPOV both in theory and in practice; how much ever we may like to believe otherwise. Abecedare (talk) 03:15, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

re: Email

Around?? YellowMonkey (cricket calendar poll!) 08:25, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yep (just had my breakfast). Roger Davies ^talk 08:42, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Whether some people dislike me on here or dislike my way of editing and whether or not the site in some parts continues to be unpleasant, there are a lot of people who support what I do and make me feel welcome. I still feel the same way about certain people and the system in many parts on here but fortunately I see too much potential in what is really important here to throw it away. If they think I'm not a good editor then tough luck! Thanks for your support BTW. Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 10:29, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

What's with everyone retiring? Although it's good to see an editor of your calibre sticking to the project =) Aaroncrick^{(Tassie Boy talk)} 10:46, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Luckily he's back. YellowMonkey (cricket calendar poll!) 02:47, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

What was this about?

[2]? Looks like a Sid Barnes-related article has been listed as a Ron Hamence article, to the confusion of User:DefaultsortBot. Philip Trueman (talk) 15:38, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'll fix it YellowMonkey (cricket calendar poll!) 02:47, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

User talk:CosmicPerspectives

You blocked this user as a sockpuppet; he's claiming he's unrelated to the others though he has overlapping contributions. Was this block based on checkuser? Needless to say I find the overlapping contributions (on both Baljinder and Volunteering) rather suspect. Mango juice^talk 16:57, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, a CU hit YellowMonkey (cricket calendar poll!) 02:47, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Reply and request

Hey!! How've you been?

What do you mean by Blofeld wants to talk to me?

Via email YellowMonkey (cricket calendar poll!) 02:47, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Gulzar is the only person and the only subject who is referred to simply and plainly by that - Gulzar. And that's how it used to be for a long time, until someone moved it to his full name a few months back (which is not good, as his stage name is simply Gulzar), and it was moved afterwards to a very improper title, Gulzar (lyricist), because is recognised for all the fields of his work, both writing or filmmaking.

Now Gulzar is a redirect of Gulzar (disambiguation). I request you to move Gulzar (lyricist) to simply Gulzar. Shahid • ^Talk2me 17:42, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ok YellowMonkey (cricket calendar poll!) 02:47, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The blocking of The Diamond Apex

On 28th June, without any on-record discussion, you indefinitely blocked The Diamond Apex, [3] claiming that it was a sockpuppet account and was, to quote your edit summary, "MarshallBAgramyan hiding from sanctions".
I ask to see the reasoning behind this decision?
Who was it that initiated the sockpuppet allegation?
Why is there no public record of the allegation being discussed?
What evidence have you to back up the claim you made in your edit summary? Meowy 18:21, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

CU data, which I can't reveal. Needless to say, a direct hit. YellowMonkey (cricket calendar poll!) 02:47, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

YellowMonkey is one of the few Wikipedia editors who have a CheckUser tool. That answers all your questions. Shahid • ^Talk2me 19:24, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Shining Path

Your edit to Shining Path is absolutely absurd. Wars aren't "supposed" to end at some specific date, wars end when one side wins and/or another gives up. Factions of the Shining Path continue to fight. The war will end not at the date and time you want it to, but when the Shining Path is finally defeated ot surrenders. --71.163.207.243 (talk) 01:34, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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 :Well one article by the account that I checked was less than NPOV. I did a google search on the subject and found all sorts of info about lawsuits, fraud, run-ins with corporate watchdogs etc. Needless to say, the article only had a list of awards and achievements and things from the guy's own website, which is not reputable when contrasted with the stuff I found in the news. '''[[User:YellowMonkey|<font color="GoldenRod">YellowMonkey</font>]]'''  (''[[User_talk:YellowMonkey#Straw_poll_for_selecting_pics_of_2008_cricketers|<font color="#FA8605">cricket calendar poll!</font>]]'') 02:47, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
+:: I am not surprised. If '''''I''''' were to pay good money to create an article, I would definitely try to have as glowing a profile as I can get away with. And if I am a relatively obscure person, company or product, there is essentially no limit on what I can get away with, since few neutral editors will ever care enough to thoroughly review an article on wikipedia that ''appears'' to follow MOS and has a lengthy-ish reference section. I will also make sure that my article is never nominated for a formal GA/FA review where its deficiencies may possibly be detected - and since my employee is the main contributor, that is easily ensured.
+:: Here are two ads I read on elance (not related with Nichalp). The hiring client is pretty explicit about his goals:
+:::'''[http://www.elance.com/jobs/16737316/stable_wikipedia_product_placement& Stable Wikipedia Product Placement]'''
+:::"Expand "carpet cleaning" article and create articles on "carpet dry cleaning" and on major system manufacturers. Competitors will be included but every sourceable and encyclopedic marketing spin will be present. Ongoing stability advocacy is included..."
+:::'''[http://www.elance.com/jobs/16583775/wikipedia_entry_for_boosting_webtraffic& wikipedia entry for boosting webtraffic]'''
+:::"We want to have a page created in Wikipedia about Carpet Dry Cleaning. We have already prepared an extensive content, and need someone to revise and adapt it. The goal is to get listed and have a backlink to our site ..."
+:: And yes, both projects were accepted and completed. Paid editing on behalf of the article subject (or his detractor) is innately incompatible with COI and NPOV both in theory and in practice;  how much ever we may like to believe otherwise. [[User:Abecedare|Abecedare]] ([[User talk:Abecedare|talk]]) 03:15, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
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