User talk:ChildofMidnight

I will not now or ever remain silent in the face of attacks on Wikipedia's integrity, including the censorship of minority perspectives that goes against the core neutral point of view (WP:NPOV) policy and the attempted intimidation and harassment of editors holding minority viewpoints. Some things are worth fighting for, and I will never kowtow to ignorance and bias or the thugs that advance them as a righteous cause.

"I would find it impossible to just sit back and watch the blatant injustice without doing something about it. I'd have reversed that block immediately and blocked the blocking admin for 24 hours, until he'd sobered up." -common sense (uncommon on Wikipedia)

Travesty in motion: Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Obama articles/Proposed decision. Wikipedia's arbcom is in the process of dishing out heavy punishments to good faith editors who have faced the wall of incivility and NPOV violating POV pushers camped out on the Obama articles. Despite many efforts to discuss the issue and present alternatives for resolving it, Wizardman and the other Arbcoms appear ready to reinforce and encourage the incivility, obstruction, wikilawyering, and harassment carried out by those calling themselves "defenders" and "patrollers" on these pages. This is a dark time for Wikipedia when bias is encouraged and the censors are rewarded for their efforts. If you're opposed to Arbcom spitting on our core policy of NPOV please contact them and let them know that punishing the good faith efforts of editors facing severe challenges in addressing this problem is the height of bad form and totally unacceptable.

Delete all content that I think is boring or that can be obtained from other sources. But keep both the articles that remain. {&nbsp} — One of Wikipedia's Wise Men

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It was about time you had one of these

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Thanks

Thank you ever so much,have fun as well Secthayrabe (talk)

Putting this here for now since I can't edit my userpage at the moment. Maybe once Connolley sobers up?

References

The Dutch don't need no stinking references!

Pics on Scapler's page

Well, if you enjoyed those, you just might like these. Cheers.--Pericles of Athens^Talk 11:07, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

I like the animal figures the best. Great shots. Very well done. ChildofMidnight (talk) 23:40, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

You've been mentioned at ANI...

only tangentially to the main topic, but your name has come up a couple of times in WP:ANI#Block review - uninvolved admin request. Just FYI -- LadyofShalott 01:50, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

I found a disturbing fact on WMC and Mathsci's relationship so raised the matter to ANI.[1] However, I want you to step back from the drama for your own sake since you have "a lot of ardent fans" willing to attack you in the front. And let others handle it unless you file an ArbCom case or RFCU against Mathsci or William M. Connolley. Have a good day.--Caspian blue 15:28, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Not surprisingly, Tarc appeared to bring up a new conspiracy theory that he wants to cook up for his lunch. You have my deepest sympathies to deal with this kind of editors for months.--Caspian blue 15:50, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

The bottom line is that Mathsci is behaving like an obnoxious bully and WMC has encouraged this by blocking the editors that Mathsci attacks inappropriately. It's interesting that they're friends offline as well. Their teaming up on Wikipedia has certainly caused a lot of disruption. If they want to protect the clumsy writing in articles they're working on from being fixed up, then so be it. I'm over it. Wikipedia has lots other areas where there is collaboration and good faith. Who wants to put up with pretentious behavior from insecure people with inferiority complexes who feel the need to cover up their own inadequacies by going on the attack and mimicking spoiled children by throwing tantrums. ChildofMidnight (talk) 17:07, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Arbitration enforcement

• Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Obama articles

Hello again, ChildofMidnight. Tarc (talk · contribs) came to my talk page to ask that I look at your edits to Talk:Gerald Walpin. I agree with him that the Walpin article and its talk page clearly fall within the area restricted by your topic ban. However, since I was not around to act on this at the time, I think the best course of action now is for me to give you a second warning and to advise you that if Tarc had chosen to go to Arbitration enforcement you would probably have received a short block.

In future, if you are unsure whether or not a page falls within the topic ban, please seek advice from an administrator or ask at WP:AN. CIreland (talk) 11:15, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Secret Plot

Hi, ChildofMidnight. I noticed at the AfD discussion that you checked off "Japanese editor notified" after notifying me. Just to make sure it's clear-- I'm white, U.S. American, but was raised close to Japanese people and culture, and lived in Korea, and married there. So I have some knowledge of Japanese and Korea subjects, and a lot of interest in both. Anyway, feel free to contact me about Korean/Japanese subjects, but just be aware that I can't claim to have any kind of "native" authority in either area. Regards. Dekkappai (talk) 19:55, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Understood. Thanks for the clarification and for your generous help. Ohiogazymas. :) ChildofMidnight (talk) 19:59, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Re:2.0

Sorry? No idea what that was about! (By the way, managed an article on vegetarian bacon yet?) J Milburn (talk) 21:22, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

The big day

Hey Child. It's been a while. How are things? Are you doing anything exciting for Independence Day?--The Legendary Sky Attacker 01:54, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

No big plans here Sky. But Sky Attacker is a good name for a firework!. ChildofMidnight (talk) 16:56, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

You know, it actually is a good name for a firework. Maybe when Wikipedia celebrates its 10th anniversary I'll have a firework named after me. Who knows?--The Legendary Sky Attacker 20:22, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

How to handle relations on Wikipedia

Squid, freshly drawn and colored

Squid: battered and fried (calamari)

How about moving the disputed relations to mythical countries on mythical continents? If all else is ruled out, moving may be the best solution. Aymatth2 (talk) 16:53, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

• Support Moving bilateral relations articles where they don't belong. ChildofMidnight (talk) 16:56, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

You misunderstood me - and I can see why you keep getting into trouble over politics. I would only move them to appropriate mythical places - ones where they do belong. Nobody could object to that. Aymatth2 (talk) 17:15, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

• Oppose moving bilateral relations articles to appropriate places, especially mythical ones. Mythical places are sacred on Wikipedia and shouldn't be fooled with by trolls. Elves, maybe. Admittedly, the articles aren't up to the standards of fictional characters, but they're getting there. I think I could be convinced to merge the bilateral relations articles into trilateral relations, or perhaps quadrilateral relations. But I draw the line at pentagonal relations. That can get confusing and also has overtones of Wicca type paganism. And the edit wars on the anarchy articles are a real free for all. ChildofMidnight (talk) 17:23, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

A compromise could be to move them to unilateral relations with mythical places. The real country would have a relation with Erewhon or Ruritania, whatever, but the mythical place would have no corresponding relation to the real country, so would remain undisturbed. Many of the articles listed in United States foreign relations show how this could be done. Aymatth2 (talk) 18:24, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Have we slipped through the back of a wardrobe to Uncyclopedia? LadyofShalott 18:33, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Oops! I'm in the wrong wiki - and think I have been for the last 1,746 edits on bilateral relations. Never mind. Aymatth2 (talk) 19:05, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

First of all, what is Erwhon and why isn't there an article about it? And second of all, this isn't an Uncyclopedia? Is it a MMPORG? ChildofMidnight (talk) 18:58, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Erewhon is a famous book by Samuel Butler. BTW, CoM, if you haven't already, notice what you get if you reverse the spelling of Erewhon.— Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:{{{1}}}|{{{1}}}]] ([[User talk:{{{1}}}#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/{{{1}}}|contribs]])

Nohwere? It seems Butler is no better at spelling (backwards at least) than some Wikipedia editors (including myself) forwards. Interesting stuff. The introduction where it says "is a book by Samuel Butler, who wrote is anonymously" is a bit trippy. Maybe it could be reordered to improve coherence? Have a fun weekend. I know Canada hasn't gained full independence from the Crown yet, but I'm holding out hope that one day soon... ChildofMidnight (talk) 20:02, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

As long as I'm the one in charge I always support unilateral action. And I must say that what you've suggested seems like a pretty fabulous idea, from what I can understand of it (which isn't much). I do hope we can work in the Micronations. And I also want to point out the special delight I took in seeing you embroiled (and fried also) in disagreements involving those opposed to preserving the bilateral content and those who want it preserved but don't want the bits that aren't independently notable merged and redirected. What fun! Crete's got nothing on Wikipedialand (Cyprus, maybe). Although the presence of ample squid and octopus suggests that all of these places (is this a place?) have a lot of suckers. And I do enjoy chewing on them. ChildofMidnight (talk) 18:41, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Calamari, when cooked just enough not to turn them into rubber bands, is great stuff. Could eat it all day. :) :) :) Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots 23:27, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

I once spent an afternoon with a whole lot of squid experimenting. Dropped into hot chicken broth, it was completely eatable in a couple of minutes, maybe less. Dipped in a very light batter it could be cooked in hot oil in a wok in less than a minute, in a slightly cooler oil in less than two minutes - but no longer, because it would get tough. In a frying pan with garlic and green peppers, maybe a little bit longer. In a soup with wine and other stuff, a whole lot longer. The cooking time makes it tender, then tough, then much later tender again. However it is cooked, the tentacles have to be the best bits - love those suckers. What has this possibly got to do with bilateral relations on Wikipedia? My aunt likes calamari and she has an email address... Have to close down - just got an idea for rescuing an article. Aymatth2 (talk) 01:39, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

It has everything to do with. Meanwhile, you're makin' me hungry. Better head down to the marina, where a seafood platter has my name on it. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots 01:51, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

The most dangerous dessert in the world

Cake in a mug. But of course you've beat me to it. The source actually called it the most dangerous cake recipe in the world, but how dramatic is that? Flowanda | Talk 19:52, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

My vote is for the bacon explosion. I think there must be some kind of date cake desert. but maybe it's just a mirage brought on my too much dessert. ChildofMidnight (talk) 20:02, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Images in Zanthoxylum americanum

Hey, thanks for adding those! One thing is weird though - I can see the seedling image, but not the picture in the infobox. If I go to the file name directly, I see it, but not in the box. Is it working on your end? LadyofShalott 23:21, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Works okay here. Try refreshing? Hopefully I did the photos okay. If not J Milburn will leave me a stern warning. :) I can't figure out how to cite picture in the infobox. I used their preferred citation format as a courtesy, but I suppose it can be altered.

I also did some tweaking to get rid of redundancies and then had to reword slightly based on that. Probably good anyway since it will make it a bit less like the sources? Some people get mighty unhappy if it's too close, and others get mighty unhappy if it isn't close enough. So it's a careful dance. Hopefully I didn't mess anything up too badly.

I may have overdone it on the ways it's named, but I don't know how you pick which to include and which to leave out? I left an edit summary on the need for redirects. What does the "Mill." part of the name mean? It's cool that like the miniature pig it turned out to be scientifically significant for potential medical applications. We may be helping save the world... from fungus... or maybe some of the other things it is supposed to aid in folk medicine.

Happy to help out of course. It's a nice looking article I think. But I am no more a biologist than I am a mathematician. But I'm an expert at creative writing... which really helps out here on the Uncyclopedia encyclopedia. A photo would be nice. Where did you stumble on this plant anyway? I didn't think you left the home-office/computer room... ChildofMidnight (talk) 23:27, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the help. I still don't see that one picture, but maybe when I close out completely and restart, it'll work. I don't mind the long list of names; I guess we'll see if anyone else objects.

It's common in botanical nomenclature to use an abbreviation for the person who first described it scientifically. As it turns out, I was able (thanks to the prompt for me to look) to wikilink the abbreviation, Mill., to the article about him - Philip Miller.

I clicked on a requested articles link. In my recent recent pages patrolling, I've been intrigued with some of the stubs on plant species I've found. So when I saw this was requested, I checked my copy of Duncan and Duncan, and there it was... ergo, I could at least create a little stub... D&D just has the one line about the medical use... hmm let's look in Grieve - yep there it is... I need to check the length, but I'm guessing it's long enough for a DYK. Any hook suggestions? LadyofShalott 00:13, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

RE:"I can't figure out how to cite picture in the infobox." - Fixed. APK coffee talk 04:47, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Careful with those CSD:G4s, guv...

Jared Turner doesn't qualify for a CSD:G4 on two counts: 1. the previous articles for Jared Turner were about an entirely different subject, and 2. there was never a deletion discuss (i.e. an AfD) on the previous articles. I wouldn't argue if you put him up for ProD, however ... I think this Jared Turner, properly references, might just be notable. —  X  S  G  23:40, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Ooops. Okay. Thanks. I just knew it had existed before and been deleted because it showed up on my watchlist as a new article and I remembered it. But I see your point about not knowing if it had gone through an AfD or not. If only I had admin status I could have a look... :) Thanks for the pointers. Next time I'll bring it to an admin's attention so the history can be properly ascertained by the heavy hitters with the big guns. Have a good one. Are you sure it is a different subject? It sure looks like the article I remember... ChildofMidnight (talk) 23:44, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

There are a couple things you can do without bringing it to an admin's attention. First, check the deletion log for that article by going to its history page and then clicking on "view logs for this page" at the top. For this article in question, you can see that it was deleted four times previously, and each of the deletions mention a CSD rather than an AfD (plus, one CSD was a G7 for author blanking, two of the CSDs show that the article was about a person with the same name but a different profession and thus probably wasn't the same person, and one CSD just says nn BIO, meaning non-notable biography, without further info). Second, you can see if the page Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jared Turner exists. If it does, it should contain the previous deletion discussion. —  X  S  G  00:31, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Dude. 24,000 edits in six months?! How do you pull that off?! I've only got a little over 4,000 in three years... —  X  S  G  00:36, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

See Loser (Beck song). Also, I have limited "show preview" affinity and am a sloppy typist. So most edits take me four or five tries.

I'll try to remember the deletion log in the history page. Searching for AfDs seems a bit much. I haven't had the experience of noticing a page being recreated like that too often, but I do wonder what stops someone from just recreating until we miss it once. I guess the creator might have to jump IPs too if they get blocked...

Anyway, given my recent experiences on new page patrol where a copy-edit was met with nasty and abusive comments as well as false accusations on my talk page, and then (because that wasn't enough) a block from one of our admin elites, I may have to lay low for a while. :) But it is interesting how many articles never seem to get checked at all. And helping out there doesn't seem to get a lot of appreciation, and is pretty involved when it's done right. And it isn't nearly as satisfying or rewarding in accolades and collegial cooperation as creating articles, fussing with DYKs, or jibber jabbering about fractional coloring. ChildofMidnight (talk) 00:48, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Color by number!

So, here's how you color with fractions. The idea is that a pair of dots joined w/ a line can't share any colors. One half-color colors one half of a dot!

In other news, we finally had a sunny day on Dagobah, and the splint on the force finger seems to be working. -GTBacchus^(talk) 23:50, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the note, but I've been informed by a Fields Medal winning mathematician that your work is "clueless". So I don't know whether we mere mortals should trust your comments and diagramming.

I need A.K.Nole's help. Now there's an editor that I feel I can trust, despite your criticisms you meanie! The flower looks lovely. I didn't think it got sunny like that on your world. Are you traveling for the weekend? ChildofMidnight (talk) 23:55, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

It was that remark that inspired me to dust off that graphics program and vandalize that article. I didn't know anyone else noticed it!

I'm only traveling this weekend as far as the supermarket, and that's only if I run out of grilling supplies at home. :) -GTBacchus^(talk) 00:00, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Is this how they're teaching kids arithmetic today??? No wonder India and China are whipping us. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots 23:59, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

See also new math. :) This might be the first comment that I've ever agreed with BB about. Of course I'm still trying to figure out how this fractional coloring works. At least it's cool looking and interesting. Mathematical sudoku. ChildofMidnight (talk) 00:01, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

You're right, that Sudoku can be analyzed as a graph coloring problem. -GTBacchus^(talk) 00:09, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

You don't agree that calamari is delicious??? :( Anyway, yes, it's attractive, but it doesn't make sense. But I'm old school, where we dealt with numbers. 5/2 is less than 6/2 because 5 is less than 6. That should be perfectly clear. Yes? Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots 00:04, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

By George, I think he's got it! Imagine the 6 colors are 6 agents who have to staff 5 meetings, 2 at a time, and the lines between dots represent conflicts. You can cover all 5 meetings w/ only 5 agents if you mix up teams, like in the bottom picture. -GTBacchus^(talk) 00:08, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

You lost me at the bakery. But as long as it makes sense to whoever needs it... :) Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots 00:11, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

• Note to self: avoid locally engineered bridges in Denton... ChildofMidnight (talk) 00:14, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
  • Or avoid bridges altogether, no matter who designed them. Check out the one on the Bohemian Flats, for example. Oddly enough, the underpinnings of the I-35W Bridge vaguely resembled the colorful diagrams in this section. Let the split colored discs represent gusset plates, and... Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots 00:24, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
    • What th'- Oh. That's not the same I-35W we've got in Denton. I was concerned if the Mississippi River ran through here I didn't know it. -GTBacchus^(talk) 01:06, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
      • Same I-35, just a different I-35W. Around both Minneapolis/St.Paul and Dallas/Fort Worth, the highway splits to form I-35E and I-35W. The Mississipi bridge collapse was a major news item in Minny a couple of years ago. It looked like it was constructed of tinker toys - kind of like what these diagrams look like. The new one, which was built in record time by today's standards, looks much more solid, and most importantly, it has not collapsed. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots 01:21, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Jeepers

GTB I think I get it (at least somewhat). That seems like an insanely complicated way of approaching number systems, or numbering, or whatever it's called. Numeric coloring? Although I remember the first time numbers were put on a number line, and that seemed weird too and baffling. So maybe we're all just narrowminded by what we're used to: approaches to computational mathematics that work well. :) But it is interesting. Can you divide the individual discs into 3 sections? 4 sections? What happens if a disc connects to more than two other discs?

Goodness gracious, now I'm going to have to start reading these crazy articles you're writing. Where's WMC when we need him... Someone stop this disruption. If my head starts hurting any worse I'm worried I'll start bleeding out my ears. Do you use an abacus at the supermarket? ChildofMidnight (talk) 00:21, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

I wish I worked on more math articles. Maybe I'll start. As for coloring, it's not really a way of approaching counting or numbering. It's more of a special topic that comes way after the basic tools are developed.

The other image in the article is an example where each dot is connected to 3 others. There are also situations where divisions other than halves are more efficient. Ultimately it's a problem about trying to cover something in the most efficient way. -GTBacchus^(talk) 00:27, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Was there a particular problem that this area of mathematics was developed to address? Is it related to allocating resources as your example to Bugs seems to indicate? I'm having difficulty imagining the advantages over more traditional approaches to fractions. But I suppose practicality is no reason to limit oneself. Anyway, I'll have to look into it more when I have some time. It definitely seems like something that might be worth putting to AfD to avoid confusion. :) Thanks for posting on my page about it. Fun. ChildofMidnight (talk) 00:30, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

I see the article answers some of my questions. Is the coloring graph just a visualization and modeling excercise? While the mathematics is function limits based? ChildofMidnight (talk) 00:57, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

(ec) I'm not sure what inspired the study of fractional colorings. It may have been to talk about resource allocation. I should find out. I know that ordinary colorings, where you only use whole colors, can be used to talk about map coloring problems, which I guess are also about resource allocation, for a cartographer with a limited color-palette. There's a picture in that article just above the history section that shows how to turn a map into a graph.

People might have just made it up because they were messing around with whole-number colorings, and realized that the mathematical tools that apply to those problems work just as well if you allow for fractions. An idea about what that actually means could come after, or not at all. That's often where new ideas come from, just riffing off of old ideas. Some people just study graph theory because they like the pretty pictures.

I guess the picture is dispensable, in the sense that you can ask and answer questions without ever drawing it. That actual math used isn't yet made too clear in the article, I think. Even though the "fractional chromatic number" is defined in terms of limits, that's not how it's calculated. One practical approach is to turn the problem into an algebra problem involving some rather big matrices, and then solving that and translating the solution back into the language of colors. Another practical approach is to... try and dream up something else that will work. :) -GTBacchus^(talk) 01:04, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Just in case you have some free time...

In a recent rescue of The Legend of Gator Face, I purposely left numerous redlinks and explained why on the article's talk page. I completed the article for Marilyn Vance and have pretty much fininished one for Alan Mruvka, only to find that User:BioDetective2508 already had done so as I was about to go live with User:MichaelQSchmidt/sandbox/Alan Mruvka. I am exceedingly pleased that someone is following up on the talk page suggestions, and I will write him to speak about bringing my version over to his. But in the meanwhile, I'd like to have you give my version a once-over. Thank you, MichaelQSchmidt (talk) 06:23, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Ahh... never mind and have a great 4th. You can see by the now red link that I've already combined my information into the article. So if you happen to stop in at Alan Mruvka, you might check to see if I missed any typos. Best wishes, MichaelQSchmidt (talk) 20:31, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your keen eye. Happy Fourth! MichaelQSchmidt (talk) 00:52, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

The Fourth Of July

HAPPY INDEPENDENCE DAY!
--The Legendary Sky Attacker 07:09, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Hi ChildofMidnight

Happy 4th of July! I'm a little drunk right now, coming back from my brother's townhouse party, but what the hell, better late than never to make a response. I meant to reply on your talk page as soon as you left that message, but I TOTALLY forgot. Glad you liked the photos I left at Scapler's page. If you like those, you'll friggin love these: User:PericlesofAthens/Gallery. They certainly aren't good enough to become featured pictures, but they are incredibly valuable from the encyclopedic and historical perspective. Cheers, buddy! And happy Independence Day.--Pericles of Athens^Talk 07:44, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Discussion etiquette

There is a bad habit that you and many other contributors have when making an argument; stating well if we are going to include this, we will need to include _____ because _____. is not a valid point and is just being overly dramatic. Twice you have used this argument in discussions in which I have participated, the cup cake/cake in a cup and Cheesesteak/steak sandwich merge discussions, and I am sure there are other examples of this in your postings. Making a claim that the other contributor's reasons for merging a subjects would lead to requiring all articles in a category to also be merged into the article is a spurious argument that could be taken as an insult to the other contributor.

Could you please try to make a more valid, policy based argument instead of falling back on this type of tactic? --Jeremy (blah blah) 18:28, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

I don't think objecting to the other stuff exists type arguments on one side is appropriate if you're going to ignore those on the other side. I agree it isn't a great argument, but it comes in response to similar arguments from the merge advocates and dramatizes the flaw in the because we were able to do something here we should do it here argument. That various sub type articles were merged doesn't indicate it's appropriate to merge philly cheesesteak and french dip, which are distinctly different. Certainly the subjects should be included in the steak sandwich article, but I don't see why a merge would be beneficial. I agree that the discussion should focus on the merits of the particular case in question. While examples are fine to give, straw man arguments aren't helpful. ChildofMidnight (talk) 18:39, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Editing survey

Hi. My name is Mike Lyons and I am a doctoral student at Indiana University. I am conducting research on the writing and editing of high traffic “current events” articles on Wikipedia. I have noticed in the talk page archives at Barack Obama that you have contributed to the editing or maintenance of the article. I was hoping you would agree to fill out a brief survey about your experience. This study aims to help expand our thinking about collaborative knowledge production. Believe me I share your likely disdain for surveys but your participation would be immensely helpful in making the study a success. A link to the survey is included below.

Link to the survey: http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=P6r2MmP9rbFMuDigYielAQ_3d_3d

Thanks and best regards, Mike Lyons lyonspen | (talk) 20:23, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

J.Hemy

Australia is a young country and it's settling was fraught with difficulty due to the harshness of the environment and it's historical connections to Britain. I have a concern that J. Hemy was one of our earliest artists but unless there is some site where people can list information about this artist it will be lost. The NSW Government State Library is one of the 3 most important libraries in Australia, where one of Hemy's work is to be found. So, yes I think the information and listing has merit. Browse Taylor (talk) 07:31, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: George Li

Hello ChildofMidnight, and thanks for your work patrolling new changes. I am just informing you that I declined the speedy deletion of George Li - a page you tagged - because: The article makes a credible assertion of notability, sufficient to pass A7. Please review the criteria for speedy deletion before tagging further pages. If you have any questions or problems, please let me know. Closedmouth (talk) 12:18, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

What do you think is notable about this 14 year old? ChildofMidnight (talk) 16:19, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

I don't personally think that the article would survive an AFD, but it does make several claims that he's won awards and been on television and such. Whether or not these claims allow him to pass WP:N is another matter. --Closedmouth (talk) 16:38, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

I fear it might survive an AfD. That's why we needed to destroy it before it could take root. :) Be bold young man! ChildofMidnight (talk) 17:31, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

For A7 to be a valid criterion for speedy deletion, the must not be any claim of notability. If there's a claim of notability, even if it's not sufficient notability to survive AfD, then we can not delete on ground of A7. You could try prodding it. LadyofShalott 17:37, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

I don't think there's a legitimate claim of notability, but as it was saved by a do-gooder admin I'm disengaging. I trust that you and Closedmouth will fix up the article or dispose of it appropriately. I can think of more productive ways to spend time on here, but if you want Wikipedia to be hosting site for the promotion of child musicians, don't let me stand in your way. :) ChildofMidnight (talk) 17:50, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

The Mugger

FYI, Evan Hunter and Ed McBain are the same person. 209.247.22.164 (talk) 13:45, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

The book's article gives one author name and the movie article gives a different name for the author. This is very confusing. ChildofMidnight (talk) 16:20, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Confusion on Wikipedia? ... I don't see how that could be. </sarcasm> ;P — Ched :  ?  17:47, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

User:ChildofMidnight/Exploding chicken

I restored the most recent version (sans the AfD notice) of the page. Let me know if we need to restore all versions to preserve history. If so, I will do that tonight. If you need more info you might try WP:REFUND to see if anyone still hangs out there. This is a page that seems to have more history than other "deleted pages" I've had a chance to look at so far, so it's very possible that I should have restored "all" the versions - I'll check into that part of it, now that I'm thinking about it a bit more.

I just looked briefly at the Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of terms for gay in different languages and on initial glance it does appear to be a candidate for WP:DRV. I'm not familiar with User:Angr, but perhaps if you dropped him/her a note at User talk:Angr they might be able to give an explanation of their reasoning. Note: I only skimmed the AfD, and consensus is not decided solely on the number of votes, but also on the reasoning behind the votes as well - so there could very easily be something I'm missing on "gay terms in different languages" article. I assume that it was not an "attack" page?

Anyway, it's looking like another long day of "Ched you need to come fix my computer NOW!" day, but I'll follow up on this when I have the time (this evening I hope).

Side note: I found a great link on the "Sexuality and food" thing - I thought it was great, but not really anything in the link that would help build the article - just an enjoyable viewing: this link (well, depending on your point of view on the whole subject I guess). Thought you might get a kick out of it - too bad the pics aren't free-use huh? ... lol.

• One note that's entirely WP:OR: A warm bowl of water and a wash cloth can come in handy after the fact when indulging in the whipped cream/chocolate sauce areas. When accompanied with a warm towel straight from the dryer, it can be much appreciated in removing the sticky aftermath. (some may consider me to be an old man now - but I wasn't always!) :-) — Ched :  ?  14:38, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Hang on a second - I'm gonna delete, restore the article - then move to your user space. That way all the history and attributions that should accompany the article won't be lost ... be back in a couple minutes. — Ched :  ?  17:27, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Okie Dokie ... should be good to go now. I didn't leave behind a redirect, so once you've fixed 'er up, you should be able to move back to article space. If for some reason you'd have a problem getting it back to where it was, drop me a note, and I'll try to help. Best of luck with the article. <* Ched thinks that if CoM is as good at making the actual food as he is at making the articles, CoMs house would be the place to have a great meal! ;) *> ... although I prefer my chicken NOT explode while I'm eating it ... LOL. ;) — Ched :  ?  17:38, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Hello. I was surfing by and saw this project. Not sure if it's notable enough for you, but here in Canada a long-running comedy/satire show called the Royal Canadian Air Farce had a recurring bit where they would fire the "chicken cannon" at various public figures (a list of past targets). It's more of a chicken projectile than an exploding chicken, but maybe it has a place. Take Care! Quietmarc (talk) 21:32, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Cool. I'm adding it. I'm not quite sure yet what to do with the content of that article. But I'm sure it will all become clear soon! ChildofMidnight (talk) 21:36, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Operation Noah's Ark (1943)

Note your suggestion about merging this. Not opposed. There's several small articles about SOE ops, but where to merge them is the question. The main SOE article is very general, it only refers to a minority of named operations. It would become far too large, in time, so regional summaries might be better, with separate articles where there's sufficient significance or info. This list is a partial list that needs attention. Folks at 137 (talk) 17:56, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Hmmm. It seems like the contents of the article could be merged to the list. As it was just a plan there doesn't seem to be a lot of notability, but maybe a stub on each operation is okay. I think it's just a matter of how best to include them, since I don't think they are worth including. ChildofMidnight (talk) 18:47, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Ebelskivers

Have you ever tried this one? I saw a clip in which some food critic praises the dish, and they look quite yummy. You seem to be somewhat connected to Scandinavian culture (or Biking? :D), so I'm just asking. --Caspian blue 18:30, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

P.S It is interesting that many people in Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan state (cold regions in the U.S) are descendant of Scandinavians and retain their culture.--Caspian blue 18:33, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

I don't think I've ever had them. But I've seen them. Danish donuts made in a special pan, often served with fruit jam and powdered sugar I think. They look quite tasty. Thank you for reminding me of donuts. There's a new shop around the corner I have to test. :) You said or "Biking" but did you mean Viking? I prefer the NY Jets. And I like biking and Vikings. I was reading the Northlanders comic for a while. It seems good so far. ChildofMidnight (talk) 18:43, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Of course, "B"iking (not to be confused with Bking from Berger King) is a typical typo done by me, non-native English speaker. :) Sometimes, I cause a confusion to people when I totally forget to address the adverb "not" which should have been in my opinions to make a sense. Ahmm. as for the Danish donuts, I was actually browsing info on how to get the special pan for making the food. I have no way of accessing the donuts. Oh, I don't like American football (that looks pretty violent to a person who wishes to live peacefully :)), so I have no special preference over any team.--Caspian blue 18:54, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Your mission, should you choose to accept it

ChildofMidnight, could you take care of this photo request? Badagnani (talk) 02:21, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for stepping in

Thank you for getting involved in the Ancient Egypt race article. Do you know where I can go to challenge the bogus banning that I and others experienced? AncientObserver (talk) 17:27, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you mean by banning? I suggest treading lightly. Although I reverted, reverting back and forth will not end well. Do as I say not as I do :) I don't see any consensus for the article being solely about afrocentric considerations (and strong support and a title for broader scope), but some of the other concerns expressed may be legitimate. I'm not sure why the dispute is so knotty. Hopefully some reasonable compromises can be worked out. ChildofMidnight (talk) 17:35, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

I and 3 other users were banned from the article for 6 months for "a pattern of POV-pushing fringe theories". You can view the details here. Someone has already reverted your edits, not surprisingly. As you can see on the Arbcom page we have been trying to fight this but if the Admins are the ones we are fighting against I don't know what else we can do. AncientObserver (talk) 18:14, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Interesting. I just read the ANI discussion. It's disturbing. I found a pattern of abuse and aggressive intimidation and POV pushing from those trying to slant the article and gut it from a more extensive discussion of the issues involved. This contrasts with the efforts at discussion I've seen on the talk page from you and others. But I don't see what can be done about it. I have no idea why anyone with the slightest bit of academic integrity would try to gut the article and make it appear that the issue is solely a afrocentrism based controversy, but it is what it is. I don't see how you can overcome the very powerful admins involved. Sorry. You see that they're going after me now also. Maybe you can work on other subjects that interest you? ChildofMidnight (talk) 18:24, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Steak Sandwich Transclusion

The tags you asked about handle how the Transclusion works: WP:Transclusion#Transclusion_markup. BillyTFried (talk) 19:55, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Let's wait and see, since I believe the main reason for opposition to a merge was because the individual pages would disappear, but with this solution they remain as they are. Hence it's not really a true "Merge" at all. BillyTFried (talk) 20:08, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Caution

Please be aware that Ancient Egyptian race controversy is under arbcomm probation, as per the notice at the top of Talk:Ancient Egyptian race controversy William M. Connolley (talk) 21:52, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

CoM, please be aware that some editor who was blocked in the past for abusive sockpuppetry is accusing you of some sock, and WMC is agreeing with so and even encourage the former to file a RFCU against you. [2] You really should file an ArbCom on WMC if you want to fix this ridiculous thing happening.--Caspian blue 22:03, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

CoM, he appears to be trying to be your fried (with a little unusual way). Let him give a chance at least once.--Caspian blue 01:02, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

His comments (we're not talking about WMC) on my talk page and now in the ANI thread are wholly unhelpful. I'm not here to social network. If he would be so kind as to unwatch my page and to disengage from discussions and issues that involve me I would really apprecaite it. If he fails to do so despite my numerous requests then it's clear he's merely harassing, trolling and looking for trouble. ChildofMidnight (talk) 01:08, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Well, lutefisk and his defending from the absurd sock accusation are gestures to become your friend. Of course, you and he have unfinished stories on US politics articles, and sometimes, his comments are off topic. Yes, I've been annoyed by his comments at ANi, but he is not a harasser nor a troll. He has just a different way of communication with people who have different views.--Caspian blue 01:13, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Casp, there are plenty of articles and editors on Wikipedia. I don't know how much clearer I can make myself. I'm not interested in that editor's commentary and they need to find other places to banter (as they've been asked and instructed to do repeatedly by me and others). Consistently commenting in discussions where I'm involved amounts to stalking and harassment. ChildofMidnight (talk) 01:17, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Hey ChildofMidnight. I appreciate your comments. I know they will be added in the future. They are on the rise and their message couldn't be more deserving of coverage. In this World which is missing many things positive and uplifting ThreePeace is a throwback to a more pure age. Not afraid to speak their minds and also having a message of peace with the music. The Music is great and the message so I will definately be keeping it and adding on when I get the nugget that will make it "notable". Not sure that is really clear through all the discussions, yet, this has only fueled my dedication to it. If is removed I will submit it to the ThreePeace newsgroups on MySpace, Twitter, and their own website and see if I can't get a few more ThreePeace fans on the cause. We will see and thanks for your suggestions.Riddiman (talk) 01:26, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Re: Sockpuppets

Re, your message, I don't know if I'm good at giving tips, past experience says I'm not, but I'll try. Usually just poke through their edits, compare the edits of the suspected sock with the master account on a single article they both edit, then file a report noting two edits from the accounts which look similar. If it isn't a clear-cut case, and the master has shown the ability to evade blocks before, a checkuser might be appropriate, if, for anything else, to see if rangeblocks are possible.— Dædαlus ^Contribs 04:46, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

RE: Wiel Arets

Hi. I'm not sure how this talk thing works - as I'm new to editing wiki pages.

the information i changed was justified. i actually built this article myself (the original;as it did not exist before). i'm very familiar with Wiel's work. and i'm an architect - and realise that images are VERY important. but no architect wants BAD images on their wiki page.

there are much better images (copyright free) that i have found on flickr... an i'm in the process of uploading them.

the library is a notable building (but it seems a link to the university (where it's located) would be helpful for people unfamiliar with utrecht. i will begin starting an article on it...