Talk:Lady Gaga

STEFANI GERMANOTTA - RED & BLUE

I demand that someone update this page with more information about her "Red & Blue" album because that is a very important career highlight yet it's completely unmentioned because everyone is so obsessed with her work ONLY as "Lady GaGa" and NOT as herself Stefani Germanotta. PLEASE FIX THIS RIGHT NOW! 190.59.5.155 (talk) 20:00, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

Sure. Got links to a couple of reliable sources I can use to write about it? —C.Fred (talk) 20:55, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

Technically, that was Stefani Germanotta. This page is on the lady GaGa persona, rather than the person behind it —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.238.224.141 (talk) 08:56, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

The best 'demand' is the one you enact yourself...but come on, this isn't the childrens table where you can demand an extra slice of cake. lol. kids! Fadedroots (talk) 00:05, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

This album was, as far as I know, never released officially. If it ever is, it definitely belongs here. Erzsébet Báthory_{(talk|contr.)} 22:37, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

Most Popular on Facebook 2009

i think that is should be mentioned that lady gaga was the top facebook update in 2009 because facebook is a huge outlet for pop culture and it shows a major step in her career as the quote below mentions to compare her to madonna and honestly it is just an impressive feat to not be at all mentioned in November 2008 to now being the most talked about celebrity on facebook. i think even though it seems minor it is a big deal considering she even had her own personal category with is impressive.

"Facebook on Tuesday released a list of the words and themes that appeared most frequently in users' status updates in 2009. Not surprisingly, the list includes popular celebrities—both living and dead—healthcare concerns, and games.

Facebook divided its list into several categories, including Facebook Applications, Celebrity Deaths, Swine Flu, Movies, and Sports. It even created a separate category for pop star Lady Gaga, who is fast gaining Madonna-like popularity and appeal.

"She was virtually unmentioned until November of 2008 and spiked in mentions of her name in September 2009," wrote Facebook data scientist Lars Backstrom, in a blog post."

http://www.informationweek.com/news/services/data/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=222003003

i dont realy know how to post things as i am new so i copied and pasted it from that website so someone can take something from that and use it on the real page to post please. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Patrickgagaspears (talk • contribs) 16:25, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

I don't see the requirement to say anything at this stage. Of course she is popular on facebook. She is popular on Google as the article has noted, by the way she is also popular on wikipedia, which unfortunately is why the article is almost always locked. SunCreator (talk) 21:07, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

lady gaga is an american singer —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.65.61.21 (talk) 02:57, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

Calling her "Gaga" = against WP:MOS?

Surely dubbing her Gaga throughout the article, and other Wiki pages, is a WP:MOS violation as it is not her surname but rather a shortened down version of her nickname? It's the same as calling Lady Sovereign "Sovereign", Dizzee Rascal "Dizzee" etc. I believe that it should be changed to "Lady Gaga" instead of the "Gaga" colloquialism. WossOccurring (talk) 20:13, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

In the lyrics to many of her songs (Monster, Bad Romance, Lovegame) she refers to herself as Gaga, so I don't regard it as a colloquialism. --uKER (talk) 20:34, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

50 Cent refers to himself as "Fiddy" in his songs. However, we aren't writing a lyrics archive, we are writing an encyclopedia. WossOccurring (talk) 20:37, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

I admit to finding this a weird and interesting conversation. My own preference, as a reader with "little or no knowledge of the subject" (ahem), is that the editors please keep that person in mind (the reader with little or no knowledge of the subject) when editing the article. —Aladdin Sane (talk) 20:43, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

That's where my concerns were first aroused; it smells of WP:NOT#FANSITE to me. WossOccurring (talk) 20:45, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

Agreed. "Gaga" is too informal. It's like referring to the Big Bopper as simply "Bopper". — SMcCandlish   Talk⇒ ʕ(^Õل^ō)ˀ  Contribs. 21:02, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

Gaga is used in the papers. [1] [2] SunCreator (talk) 22:29, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

So is SuBo, Macca, Chezza, LiLo and so on. We are writing an encyclopedia, not a newspaper. WossOccurring (talk) 22:36, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

What you cited are nicknames, and not surnames adoted by the media. Sparks Fly 22:43, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

And Wikipedia is not a newspaper. The media may be reliable sources for the fact that she's informally called simply "GaGa" sometimes (or however it's spelled this week), but WP doesn't call anyone informally. — SMcCandlish   Talk⇒ ʕ(^Õل^ō)ˀ  Contribs. 22:48, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

Well, I still can't see any problem referring her only as "Gaga", and I think that this topic is a bit trivial, similar to the Gaga/GaGa discussion we had some months ago. However, the consensus here is clearly already done. In my opinion, calling her "Lady Gaga" throughout the article will make the lecture too repetitive and tiring, but I won't even discuss because I know that it's not a worth-point because people will obviously argue that "Gaga" also makes so, which, by the way, I don't agree. So, just do it. Sparks Fly 00:34, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

Not yet, guys. Since you all are jumping into the WP:OSE, I'm going to take this boat too. Alicia Keys, a clearly better article to take as example compared to those of you, reads "Keys" all over the article. It is a GA, which means that there wasn't a problem with this topic on its nomination process, which would be the same here. I might call User:Explicit and/or User:Bookkeeperoftheoccult, who are experienced users, to give a hand on this subject. Sparks Fly 03:49, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

Alicia Augello Cook takes the stage name Alicia Keys, and we explain this to the reader early on, and use the formal "Keys" in the rest of the article. Ramón Gerardo Antonio Estévez takes the stage name Martin Sheen, and we explain this to the reader early on, and use the formal "Sheen" in the rest of the article (except in the early life section, where he is Estévez). Informally they may be called Alicia and Martin (we won't be doing this in articles if I can help it, but I have caught editors doing just that in the case of some more obscure actors). Hmm, weird (does his mom call Sheen "Ramón"? I haven't a clue).

Does the informal Lady make sense in this context? Doesn't seem like it. My conclusion is that "Lady Gaga" must be something other than a stage name. A nickname maybe? It seems to me what type of name it is must be established before figuring out what to do about it. One article that comes to mind, though I'm not sure it applies in the case is Honorific nicknames in popular music. However, it leads me to Sobriquet which may be closer to the mark. The See also sections of those articles provide plenty of info to understand the subject better. —Aladdin Sane (talk) 04:40, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

Probably because Alicia Keys is a name, where as Lady Gaga is more like a title. I can name 1000 people with the first name Alicia, and 1000 with the last name Keys, but I would not be able to find anyone with the first name Lady and/or the last name Gaga. WossOccurring (talk) 15:25, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

The same that Alicia did by adopting her "Alicia Keys" as her name, Gaga did the same with "Lady Gaga". I know that it's a uncommon name, and funny at the same time but it's true. This topic has a similar issue, she adopted "Lady Gaga" as her name and now uses it both in her professional and personal life. As an user pointed: they go by those names exclusively - and that is something that is well documented. Sparks Fly 17:05, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

I cna't believe you people are arguing about this. She is very commonly called "Gaga". Why shoudn't we use it in the article? As long as it's clear who we're talking about, why does it matter? It's not quite the same as calling her by her last name (or adopted last name) only. But close. Why did the OP link the MOS? I can't find anything there that applies. -Freekee (talk) 06:06, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

I agree. She is referred to as "Gaga" quite often, so I don't see what the issue is. John9988 (talk) 00:42, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

I share WossOccurring concerns and fully understand the counterargument as well. My first instinct would have been to use Germanotta but that too would be incorrect.

WP:LASTNAME: People who are best known by a pseudonym shall be subsequently referred to by their pseudonymous surnames, unless they do not include a recognizable surname in the pseudonym (i.e. Madonna, Snoop Dogg, The Edge), in which case the whole pseudonym is to be used. For people well-known by one-word names, nicknames or pseudonyms, but who often also use their legal names professionally (i.e. musician/actors Beyoncé Knowles, André Benjamin, Jennifer Lopez; doctor/broadcaster Dr. Drew Pinsky), use the legal surname.

Based on the above, would say Lady Gaga closely resembles Snoop Dogg rather than a recognizable surname such as Tina Turner. Therefore I recommend using Lady Gaga as opposed to Gaga. Also, in terms of Manuel of Style, I would also suggest using pronouns whenever possible to cut down on the use of her name. The reader (whether an obessive fan or some who knows absolutely nothing about her) should realize the article is about Lady Gaga - we don't have to use her name in every sentence.

The Lead section as of now:

Lady Gaga (born Stefani Joanne Angelina Germanotta; March 28, 1986) is an American singer, songwriter and performance artist. She began performing in the rock music scene of New York City's Lower East Side. Lady Gaga soon signed with Streamline Records, an imprint of Interscope Records, upon its establishment in 2007. During her early time at Interscope, Gaga worked as a songwriter for fellow label artists and captured the attention of Akon, who recognized her vocal talent, and had her signed to his own label, Kon Live Distribution.

Her debut album The Fame was released in August 2008 and was a critical and commercial success. In addition to receiving generally positive reviews, it went number-one in four countries, also topping the Billboard Top Electronic Albums chart in the United States. The album's first two singles, "Just Dance" and "Poker Face", co-written and co-produced with RedOne, have become international number-one hits, and the former was nominated for Best Dance Recording at the 51st Grammy Awards. In early 2009, after having opened for New Kids on the Block and the Pussycat Dolls, Gaga embarked on her first headlining tour, The Fame Ball Tour. By the end of 2009, Gaga released The Fame Monster, an extension of The Fame, containing eight new songs with the global chart-topping lead single "Bad Romance", as well as having embarked on her second headlining tour of the year, The Monster Ball Tour.

Gaga is inspired by glam rockers such as David Bowie and Queen, as well as pop singers like Madonna. She is also inspired by fashion, which she has said is an essential component to her songwriting and performances. To date she has sold over 20 million digital singles and more than four million albums worldwide.

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Lady Gaga (born Stefani Joanne Angelina Germanotta; March 28, 1986) is an American singer, songwriter and performance artist. She began performing in the rock music scene of New York City's Lower East Side. She soon signed with Streamline Records, an imprint of Interscope Records, upon its establishment in 2007. During her early time at Interscope, she worked as a songwriter for fellow label artists and captured the attention of Akon, who recognized her vocal talent, and had her signed to his own label, Kon Live Distribution.

Her debut album The Fame was released in August 2008 and was a critical and commercial success. In addition to receiving generally positive reviews, it went number-one in four countries, also topping the Billboard Top Electronic Albums chart in the United States. The album's first two singles, "Just Dance" and "Poker Face", co-written and co-produced with RedOne, have become international number-one hits, and the former was nominated for Best Dance Recording at the 51st Grammy Awards. In early 2009, after having opened for New Kids on the Block and the Pussycat Dolls, she embarked on her first headlining tour, The Fame Ball Tour. By the end of 2009, she released The Fame Monster, an extension of The Fame, containing eight new songs with the global chart-topping lead single "Bad Romance", as well as having embarked on her second headlining tour of the year, The Monster Ball Tour.

She is inspired by glam rockers such as David Bowie and Queen, as well as pop singers like Madonna. She is also inspired by fashion, which she has said is an essential component to her songwriting and performances. To date she has sold over 20 million digital singles and more than four million albums worldwide.

This should be adopted throughout the article, the only time you would need to mention her name again is at the beginning of a new subsection, or following a direct quote from someone other than herself to be clear on who is saying what. Other than that, when we say "she" or "her" the reader should already understand we are talking about Lady Gaga. The Bookkeeper (of the Occult) 03:38, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

Why isn't referred to as Germanotta? It's formal and explained earlier in the article.

I agree with The Bookkeeper (of the Occult). Whatever is finalized here should also be applied to other artists with pseudonyms. Currently, Lady Sovereign's write-up shifts back and forth between "Lady Sovereign" and "Sovereign." Doc2234 (talk) 00:56, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

Lady Sovereign is an interesting case because she refers to herself, at times, as "Miss Sovereign." So, she seems to use her pseudonym as a surname. Does Lady Gaga do similarly? —C.Fred (talk) 01:29, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

The hermaphrodite thing needs to be addressed

Look, it's taken on a life of it's own when you have *Barbra Walters* asking Gaga on National TV in an interview, not only that but in a FREAKIN AD for the aforementioned interview, if she's a hermaphrodite. Okay, that is pretty huge and people go to this site for information, so it should get a passing mention with how she's been asked and how she has disproved it. Continuing to flat-out ignore it is irresponsible in people's search for enlightenment. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.12.187.63 (talk) 19:03, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

Also, Gaga was one of the most viewed articles on wiki in 2009, and I get the feeling at least some of those people were looking for answers to this. If you're talking about not posting rumours, I point to the Tom Cruise article that points out how homosexuality rumours circulated for him and how he sued people over it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.12.187.63 (talk) 19:08, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

Can you point to a news story documenting the interview? If it's gotten to the level that newspapers (and not E! or TMZ or the like) are writing about Walters asking her about it, then yes, it may be time to revisit whether it's encyclopedic. —C.Fred (talk) 19:34, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

You can listen to the full interview here though the only rumor mentioned is the speculation on her sexual orientation. The only publication which talked on the subject is a small publication:Much has been speculated about the singer, including the rumor that she is a hermaphrodite and bisexual. Gaga confirmed the latter during the "10 Most Fascinating People" interview, though she appeared visibly flustered when Walters asked her if she had engaged in lesbian sex. The willingness to go into open court and sue someone for monetary damages, by the way, is quite different from a rumor simply existing, it implies a severe impact on the individual. The same thing happened to Liberace. The Bookkeeper (of the Occult) 01:35, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

I can tell you from personal experience that she is a hermaphrodite, but I am bisexual, so I didn't mind. In fact, best o' both worlds type thing.

MTV's 2009 WOMAN OF THE YEAR

Lady GaGa was MTV's Woman of the Year for 2009. It is very significant as MTV is a leading broadcaster and producer of music and she also beat the likes of many other popular female artists.

"No one challenged, provoked, entertained and, well, titillated us over the past 12 months quite like Gaga." -Jem Aswad

All the descriptions and link is here: http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1628490/20091217/lady_gaga.jhtml —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.82.217.37 (talk) 01:23, 30 December 2009 (UTC) As Well as a Singer GaGa is a Fashion Icon, She's a Very Beautiful Women —Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.90.115.93 (talk) 06:00, 31 December 2009 (UTC)