Talk:South Sudan/Archive 1

Please Help Create a post-independence article for the Autonomous Government of Southern Sudan (current government) here and for the New Country here

Expansion

i plan on expanding this page greatly soon, the full works too. before that however, i need help creating some kind of template, or a list of things that are a priority.

- la gaie 02:09, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

I think there is an obvious part that everybody wants to see, but should be talked about- the independence referendum. Also existing disputes between the two countries, such as Abyei, oil resources and even ethnicity disputes between the tribes. I found some good articles on the globe and mail website if you need references. MrMonday1 (talk) 23:18, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

Kush

In the part of Establishment it does not mention Kush. I'm adding it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.3.179.161 (talk) 07:06, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

Kakua

When I was in Yei, most of the people I spoke with in the villages called themselves Kakua, and claimed that the majority of the people there are from the Kakua tribe. I'm curious to know why my reference to this was deleted from the page. hardpack 15:45, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

the Bari people

i would like to know why 141.168.126.44 on 22:33, 22 July 2005 deleted all mention of the Bari amongst nilotic tribes from the previous version (his own too!) justify yourself. i'm pretty sure the Bari are nilotic but prove me wrong. and even if not, why just delete them as if they don't exist?

- la gaie 02:31, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

New additions

I warmly welcome additions to this article, but I'm afraid I don't see much in the analysis that User:65.222.207.34 has added that isn't rather superficial and perhaps Amerocentric? (not to mention badly spelled and unsourced!). But I'll try to whip it into shape. (few minutes later:) I've cut most of the bits about the Arabic language and Islamist militancy, because frankly they make no sense. It's Khartoum and the Northern Sudan that have had links to Turabi and bin Laden; Arabic is not spoken in the South, except for a pidgin reputed to be unintelligible to most other Arabic speakers; and Islamism is quite unacceptable to both the political elites and the masses in this region where Christianity and tribal religions predominate. QuartierLatin1968 05:04, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

The language spoken in S. Sudan is Juba Arabic--QL's description is correct. hardpack 03:46, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Bari tribe?

A recent edit inserted the following underlined content:

The distinctive Juba Arabic language is a widely used lingua franca in Southern Sudan,this (arabi juba) deriving mostly from the Bari tribal native tongue. The Bari Tribe is considered the heart of Juba or ( Juba na Bari).

The Bari tribe is never mentioned in the article. If it exists it should be introduced earlier. Juba is given as the capital of Southern Sudan. What does it mean that the Bari Tribe is the heart of Juba? AxelBoldt 01:59, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Official language?

The text claims that English is the language of business and government, while the box to the right states that English and Arabic are official languages. Which is correct? AxelBoldt 02:01, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

These are by no means mutually exclusive statements. For example, in South Africa, English is the language in which most matters of government and finance are conducted. However, South Africa has ten other official languages (if I've counted right) – the operative word being 'officially', because in practice none of these languages is treated equally with English. Q·L·1968 ☿ 16:52, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Official languages

internal constitution of Southern Sudan art6-1.“All indigenous languages of Southern Sudan are national languages and shall be respected, developed and promoted.” 6-2.“English and Arabic shall be the official working languages at the level of the governments of Southern Sudan and the States as well as languages of instruction for higher education.” 6-3.“There shall be no discrimination against the use of either English or Arabic at any level of government stage of education.” 6-4.“Without prejudice to sub-Article (3) above, and for practical considerations, English shall be the principal working language of government business in Southern Sudan.” 6-5.“In addition to English and Arabic, the legislature of any sub-level of government in Southern Sudan may adopt any other national language as an additional official working language or medium of instruction in schools at its level.” 6-6.“The Government of Southern Sudan shall promote the development of a sign language for the benefit of people with special needs.”

The Official langiages of Southern Sudan are English and Arabic.58.237.222.195 12:02, 22 January 2007 (UTC)korea

Southern Sudan Population

I live in Southern Sudan and I am fairly certain that the population figures are inaccurate. There are 15 million people living in Southern Sudan. Could you please give a source for the 11 million figure. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Scorea1982 (talk • contribs) 15:08, 27 February 2007 (UTC).

Name

Are there any names for the region besides "South Sudan"? What name will they most likely pick if they become independent in 2011 (surely they won't keep calling themselves "South Sudan")Lexington1 (talk) 03:29, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

The SPLA used to issue car license plates stating "New Sudan", but I have no idea if they're still pushing that name. I don't see why they wouldn't keep "Sudan"; it is derived from the Arabic from "lands of the blacks" and the many ethnic groups comprising the southern population don't appear to have a common name for the region in any other language. - BanyanTree 08:49, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

That might be strnage having Sudan, and its neighbor to the south, sudan.

Imagine the UN seat, --Jakezing (talk) 01:35, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

No stranger than having two states in the US be Virginia and West Virginia. One would think that there'd be an East Virginia... BanyanTree 01:52, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Theres logic behind that though. We don't call W.V Virginia, since we already got a virginia, thats why you cant have 2 countries with the exact same name.--Jakezing (talk) 01:55, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

They wouldn't have the same name. There would be two countries "Sudan" and "Southern Sudan/South Sudan", unless the southerners decide to change the name. - BanyanTree 01:58, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Besides, there are two countries that are, identifiers notwithstanding, basically called "Congo". Krytenia (talk) 21:17, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Is it South Sudan or Southern Sudan? --Ruang rak noi nid mahasan (talk) 17:42, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

It's South Sudan http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-12478957 Huseyx2 (talk) 12:21, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

Why not "Oily Sudan" or "Amoco/BP Sudan" That would be more accurate. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.114.1.113 (talk) 04:51, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

Two civil wars

Can any place be POSITIVELY affected by a war on its territory? WeeWillieWiki (talk) 02:20, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Numbers don't add up

The numbers for the stakes in blocks 3 and 7 don't add up to 100%. Is this due to a round-off error? WeeWillieWiki (talk) 02:33, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

fact tags removed

While I appreciate the work that has recently gone into the article, I have removed the {{fact}} tags from the section already tagged with {{unrefsect}}. These duplicate each other and the section tag is cleaner. The {{specify}} tags do something different and remain. - BanyanTree 03:30, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Images and Stuff

I am trying to create a decent map of Southern Sudan in general and Central Equatoria that shows the States and counties by merging these two images; a satellite [1] image and a 'district map' [2] Some UN agencies have newer better maps but I don't know how to handle credit (my photoshop are kinda weak too) and if they're cool with all that. Can anyone help with this? la gaie (talk) 16:01, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

New Sudan

• According to government of southern Sudan site, "New Sudan" is a motto which means the new Democratic Transformation in the country --Prof.Sherif (talk) 05:23, 9 March 2009 (UTC).

Bor massacre

I have removed the Bor massacre section as being so badly written, accusatory and unreferenced that it would be easier for an editor who knew what they were doing to start from nothing than attempt to rewrite the existing text to conform to site guidelines. - BanyanTree 21:54, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Dewar210 is ruining this page

I'm losing of all the reverts we have to be doing now. You obviously have something to contribute but you can't just lie! there are 10 states in Southern Sudan. The three areas are not part of the south yet if ever, that is the cold truth. Likewise, this is not an independent country. You keep making a number of blatant POV statements that you need to support. Bashir is the President of ALL of Sudan regardless of how you and I feel about him as well. These are just the facts. —Preceding unsigned comment added by La gaie (talk • contribs) 03:18, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

Oil in Southern Sudan

I think that soemone must create an article about Oil in Southern Sudan. Petroleum is the main subject of this region of Sudan today.Agre22 (talk) 19:51, 3 January 2010 (UTC)agre22

Formatting

Recent edits have introduced spelling and gramatical errors and non-conventional formatting into this article. Can editors please discuss/preview their edits on talk, if need be I can proof for style, spelling and grammar. Respectfully, RomaC (talk) 13:39, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

typo

This article is obviously locked and I don't know if this is the correct way to make a suggestion but the caption under the image of logs reads 'Loka teaks largest plantation in Sudan and Africa in particular' I think you mean 'Loka teaks largest plantation in AFRICA and SUDAN in particular' The other way doesn't make sense to me. To be honest it stills sounds odd but less odd, I guess.

A "Government" does not have borders...Opening sentence

I spotted this English language problem in the first two sentences: "Southern Sudan (officially known as the Government of Southern Sudan) is an autonomous government in Sudan. Juba is its capital city. It is bordered by Ethiopia to the east, Kenya, Uganda, and the Democratic Republic of the Congo to the south, and the Central African Republic to the west. To the north lies the predominantly Arab and Muslim region directly under the control of the central government, with its capital at Khartoum. Southern Sudan includes the vast swamp region of the Sudd formed by the White Nile, locally called the Bahr el Jebel."

i.e. in Sentence 1, we say that "Southern Sudan" is a "Government" but in sentence 2, we say that the Government is "bordered"...Governments are not geographical entities...they do not have borders...I will amend so as to provide in sentence 1 that "Southern Sudan" is a region...Thanks. 109.77.103.222 (talk) 22:30, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

Religion

Christianity is the main religion of Southern Sudan nowadays. Those CIA Factbook data claiming only 5% of the total population of Sudan is Christian are way out of date; it's more like 20% now (and around 75% of the population of Southern Sudan). 98.209.116.7 (talk) 01:31, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

I think that is a good point, and a topic that warrants additional discussion in the article. Considering the importance of religious differences in the overall conflict, the Religion section is rather weak, and confusing. The article is about Southern Sudan, but most of the religious references are to Sudan as a whole, and readers may not catch that. Some additional, and authoritative, cites would be helpful.--anietor (talk) 19:35, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

89.240.215.96 (talk) 21:39, 12 January 2011 (UTC) If there is a more accurate figure, from an (at least) as credible reference for the early 1990s Christian population of southern Sudan than the library of congress one then please replace it.

89.240.221.108 (talk) 08:49, 13 January 2011 (UTC) User Bezuidenhout deleted the following text:

  "According to the Federal Research Division of the US Library of Congress: "in the early 1990s   possibly no more than 10 		percent of southern Sudan's population was Christian"."

giving the reason: "not only is the data for the WHOLE of Sudan, but it is also 20 years out of date, alot has changed since then, you are displaying a false image"

In response:

  "not only is the data for the WHOLE of Sudan,"

The deleted text gives an estimate for "southern Sudan" and is taken directly from the referenced Library of Congress document where it can be checked in Chapter 2, Ethnicity, Regionalism and Ethnicity.

  "but it is also 20 years out of date"

The deleted text states the estimate is for "the early 1990s". I'm not aware of a more up to date statistic for the popultation in the early 1990s that differs radically.

  "alot has changed since then, you are displaying a false image"

A lot may have changed since the early 1990s, but the deleted text explicitly refers to the early 1990s.

I have searched up the figure and I don't understand how in the 1990s, 4-10% of Sudan was Christian, yet >10% of Southern Sudan was Christian. It seems like an unreliable link, especially since just before that it says how "Adequate contemporary data were lacking" at the beggining. I know you found this data from a fairly reliable source, but I just feel that information from another source would be useful. You also put down the sentance on its own, without stating that anything had changed. "In 1990 the UK had a white majority", I will assume so now, but in South Sudans case, many readers might as well. The percentage of people not only converting but announcing Christianity as their religion has increased rapidly. There is also no clear line between "traditional" and "christian" as there is often a mix of both, the data might only be counting people who exclusivley practise Christiantiy and have no traditional religion blend in it. Bezuidenhout (talk) 16:52, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

I agree with Bezuidenhout. This reference is internally inconsistent, and outdated. It presents a confusing and unreliable statistic, and its dominance in this section is inappropriate given its unreliability and age. --anietor (talk) 18:00, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

78.147.87.90 (talk) 20:57, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

"I have searched up the figure and I don't understand how in the 1990s, 4-10% of Sudan was Christian, yet >10% of Southern Sudan was Christian."

What don't you understand?

"It seems like an unreliable link, especially since just before that it says how "Adequate contemporary data were lacking" at the beggining."

Note the qualification 'possibly' in the sentence

"I know you found this data from a fairly reliable source, but I just feel that information from another source would be useful."

I think that's always a good idea, do you know of some?

"You also put down the sentance on its own, without stating that anything had changed. "In 1990 the UK had a white majority", I will assume so now, but in South Sudans case, many readers might as well. The percentage of people not only converting but announcing Christianity as their religion has increased rapidly. There is also no clear line between "traditional" and "christian" as there is often a mix of both, the data might only be counting people who exclusivley practise Christiantiy and have no traditional religion blend in it. Bezuidenhout (talk) 16:52, 13 January 2011 (UTC)"

If this is the case, perhaps you should add this to the article with some credible supporting data and references?

Especially once the article refers to a country rather than a region, the infobox needs to include reliable statistics on what percentage of the population of South Sudan adheres to which religion. ~AH1^(TCU) 21:24, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

Territory

As far as I can tell from the text of the Comprehensive Peace Agreement, southern Sudan's territory is bounded by the 1.1.1956 frontier. According to [3], this corresponds mostly to the northern boundaries of Bahr el Ghazal states, Unity and Upper Nile, but it also includes a part of South Darfur in the southern Sudanese territory. If this is true, then the maps in this article ought to be corrected.--84.108.213.97 (talk) 12:18, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

I also saw this, some maps showed southern, southern Darfur in southern Sudan, while others just place it in Darfur, and therefore Sudan. Most media (BBC maps etc.) place it in Darfur, and the Comprehensive Peace Aggrement seems to have changed since then. Bezuidenhout (talk) 18:27, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Currency

Will S.Sudan continue using the Sudanese pound after independence?

I would say for a while, untill they will issue their own currency to formalise the seperation. And they can also get their own seigniorage from the issue of their own currency. Enlil Ninlil (talk) 05:41, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

External links section

The number of External Links is flagged as being "excessive". I would remove all of them and start from scratch. Are there any suggestions as to which ones are worth keeping? Mtminchi08 (talk) 02:40, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

No consensus to move. Vegaswikian (talk) 22:05, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

Southern Sudan → South Sudan — Proposing that this article be moved to "South Sudan" and that other articles such as Politics of Southern Sudan be moved correspondingly. Acording to The New York Times, the southern government has decided that the new state will be titled the "Republic of South Sudan", with an official announcement expected in February when the result of the referendum is announced, almost certainly to be in favour of independence. The national anthem South Sudan Oyee! has already been titled.

It is also worth noting that many media organisations use "South Sudan" rather than "Southern Sudan" (Financial Times, BBC, Reuters, The Australian, The Economist, Telegraph etc.), although I should note that many organisations are inconsistant and use both interchangably depending on the writer. --The Celestial City (talk) 23:51, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

It's a bit premature and the media still has a bit of preference for Southern Sudan. Marcus Qwertyus 00:50, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

Let's wait until an official announcement is made by the government. Mtminchi08 (talk) 04:50, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

They haven't achieved independance 'yet'. GoodDay (talk) 14:42, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

They haven't decided on the new name yet either. It's been recommended, and the recommendation is expected to be accepted with little disagreement, but it hasn't happened yet. — kwami (talk) 19:17, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

It seems pretty much a done deal, I would be very surprised if there isn't an announcement confirming this in the next month. Given that "South Sudan" and "Southern Sudan" are essentially the same, there seems no reason not to move this article now. The Celestial City (talk) 00:22, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

• hold on -- We need to await the outcome of the referendum. Assuming this leads to independence, we may get a new name. It will surely be one of the first things that an independent government will do to decide what the country should be called. Peterkingiron (talk) 14:51, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

It's worth pointing out that "South Sudan" on its own doesn't necessarily imply an independent state any more than South Australia or South India does. As of now, the two names are equally valid names for the region. The Celestial City (talk) 18:26, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

• Oppose - not yet. It's still generally known as "Southern Sudan" at this point in time so that's how it should be remain. An interesting question will arise upon independence over whether we should keep a separate article on the current entity, as a part of greater Sudan, in addition to the article on the newly formed republic. If so, which one does this article get moved to?  — Amakuru (talk) 15:58, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
• I will support this move when South Sudan begins to overtake Southern Sudan in the news. The rift between the two terms has narrowed in the past week. Right now there are 3,040 hits for Southern Sudan and 2,460 hits for South Sudan on Google news in the past 24 hours. Marcus Qwertyus 17:25, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
• It is in the news at CSMONITOR.COM. [4] user:mnw2000 20:36, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

Oppose - We should leave the page as Southern Sudan as this is the name of the autonomous region and autonomous government the page relates to. GoSS remains de jure and this page is about the autonomous region / government. When independence becomes a reality we should move the page to South Sudan if this is the short form name of the new state. Dn9ahx (talk) 20:45, 30 January 2011 (UTC) Oppose - No rush. There is an official date for the change over, so this one should be easy. Something where there is coup would be more difficult. Also, I assume that several countries will recognize the new country on that date. user:mnw2000 20:58, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

New Story regarding new name

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnJtOgHmd-Q&feature=youtube_gdata&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=sudaninfocus

We may want to start a subsection in Southern Sudan regarding the naming of the new country. user:mnw2000 20:54, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

Currency

What will it be once independent?Phil Ian Manning (talk) 23:45, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

I asked this above, and I guess it will probably keep using the Sudanese pound untill further notice, in other words they will probably eventually get a new currency. Bezuidenhout (talk) 16:51, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

Article after eventual separation

I would suggest that after the eventual split we should have two articles - historical for South Sudan pre-2011-split and regular for South-Sudan-New-Name after-2011-split. Alinor (talk) 20:24, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

A "Former Country" article could be created similar to the article about the Southern Sudan Autonomous Region that existed between 1972 and 1983. Autonomous Government of Southern Sudan could be a suitable title for such a page. It could include a brief history section, a politics section describing the structure of the autonomous government and information about the referendum and independence process. Dn9ahx (talk) 22:11, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

• I have made a start on this here - Talk:Southern Sudan/after independence - please help complete this. The article could "go live" at Autonomous Government of Southern Sudan when independence is declared. Dn9ahx (talk) 15:07, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

• The existing Southern Sudan article could be moved to South Sudan and edited to match the new reality. Dn9ahx (talk) 15:07, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

• Why not just have something like "South Sudan pre-2011 Referendum" as a title for a subsection? That would prevent having to continually switch articles to get information on one subject. MrMonday1 (talk) 23:35, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

• The current government is called the Autonomous Government of Southern Sudan where it should be moved after independence. If the nation is still called South or Southern Sudan, then the new nation's article will be moved there. If the new nation is not called South or Southern Sudan we could create a disambiguation page. Please help create these pages for after the split, the links for them can be found at the top of this page. --Gimelthedog (talk) 23:27, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

Article language

The article, at the moment, flips between US and UK English in terms of date formats and spellings. "A Defense Paper on Defence", "soccer" as well as other examples. As an Anglo-American I have no axe to grind either way, but is there a consensus as to in which this article was started? MrMarmite (talk) 07:58, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

I think it will make sense to use British English, as Sudan is a former British-colony. Just an idea? It just won't seem correct to use American English? Try and deviate from using the actual terms, (e.g. use "independence struggle", instead of "ColoniSation/ColoniZation". Bezuidenhout (talk) 17:33, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

• I think it needs to be British English. Every language professor from Yale to Harvard knows that the Oxford English Dictionary is the only acceptable reference in the English language, and since the OED is in British English, shouldn't that be the standard? MrMonday1 (talk) 23:39, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

• I agree that that the article should be in British English and I'm an American. I changed the "soccer" references to football a few days ago and while I do my best to put dates in day-month-year format, I may slip up sometimes on spellings.

Mtminchi08 (talk) 12:01, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

I agree, as Sudan is a former British Colony, the use of BrEng makes sense. Also English is an official language of Sudan and usually former British colonies use BrEng (or a very closely related form such as in NZ, Australia, Ireland, India, Caribbean, RSA ect) due to the British influence (not proud btw). I'm not fussed between "ise" and "ize", as in "realise/realize"; both are acceptable in BrEng. Btw, does anyone know if English will be an official language of independent South Sudan? I suppose we shall have to wait until they release their Constitution. Also for those who are not sure on the difference between BrEng and AmEng see these for help:

• American and British English differences
• American and British English spelling differences
• List of words having different meanings in American and British English

They quite interesting article and can be useful for distinguishing the difference, I use them when editing article written in AmEng. IJA (talk) 21:32, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

English will almost definitley be an official language of South Sudan, simply because what other options do they have? Although the independence sorted out some linguistic/ethnic boundaries, there is still no predominant ethnic group/language (such as for example in Botswana, even there English is official). If anything "North" Sudan might even drop the English, and just completely convert to Arabic, like Algeria dropped French. Also, Colonize is definitley not used in BrE, we only use Colonise. Some American words have entered our side, such as "Encyclopedia" and "Airplane", but especially -ise remains. The best thing to do is to gently try to use different terminology to make it neutral as possible. :) Bezuidenhout (talk) 21:36, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

Blue Nile / South Kordofan

It seems the reports so far were misleading – the states hold these »popular consultations« only over grievances with the implementation of the CPA, not about joining South Sudan.[5] Blue Nile has already held these consultations.[6] —Nightstallion 09:58, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

Religion edits

Can we please try and agree on a the Religion section? All media says "Predominantly Christian and Animist". We need to remove the early 1990s citation about "no more than 10% were Christian". We need to vaguely state that there is currently a majority religion, which is a mix of Christianity and Animism. Bezuidenhout (talk) 00:08, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

I have been searching for a better article, but according to this, http://www.sudanvotes.com/articles/?id=557 religious questions were not asked in the last census. This same article does state that "Christianity is the dominant religion in Southern Sudan," so I think we could change it to state that Christianity is the dominant religion. This could be a biased site, so I think we should find at least one other site. --Ryan Vesey (talk) 23:22, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

Geography

There is a Geography section heading, then a flora and fauna sub-heading without any other sub-headings. There cannot be a heading with only one sub-heading. Either the geography section needs to be changed to include mountains, notable rivers, and other terain, or The geography heading should be removed leaving only the flora and fauna subheading. --Ryan Vesey (talk) 23:36, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

Jikmier, south sudan

loca —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.186.253.91 (talk) 05:33, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

Article name

The new name of Southern Sudan is South Sudan. The article's name should be changed to reflect this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.99.133.49 (talk) 16:57, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

The name of the article will change to South Sudan on 9 July - until then the entity is still known as Southern Sudan. Dn9ahx (talk) 17:25, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

Recognition map

I have fixed the map of countries that plan to recongize S. Sudan. The fixes are: I have swiched the colors of the countries that plan to recongize to a dark green, which is similar to the Kosovo map. I have also removed Kosovo itself, since some of the coutries shaded in green (Russia, India, China, South Africa) do not recongize it. If Kosovo does end up recognizing S. Sudan, then I'll re-add it. Finnally I have fixed the N-S. Sudan border. I also plan to upload this map under the name Image:CountriesRecognizingSouthernSudan.PNG. I thought this would better to use after July. Hope this helps. - Thanks, Hoshie 00:51, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

Nice work.

Could you also color in United Kingdom? There's a citation that indicates the UK acknowledges S Sudan, but it isn't colored. (I acknowledge that the correct response to this kind of pleas could be "why don't you do it" - if I could I would, but I haven't got a clue how to

Icarusgeek (talk) 12:50, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the comments! I've added the UK. Thinking about it I think it might better to keep the map where it is after July instead of changing the filename since its a filename after all. :-) - Thanks, Hoshie 16:28, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

New country article map

I changed it (before signing in) to an orthographical map, albeit not a standard one. If any one can obtain or create a standard one for the new state of south sudan that'd be great, also one for Sudan with south sudan seperated --Phil Ian Manning (talk) 00:06, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

Israel to recognize Southern Sudan

Israeli officials in a parliamentary delegation in North America have stated that Israel shall recognize Southern Sudan as an independent state. They've also stated that once that state shall be declared independent - Israel will have full diplomatic relations with it. I cannot find an article in the English language that cites that - perhaps you can help me. - User:AvihooI — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.176.42.80 (talk) 20:39, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

Country Status

As I type this on 19th June 2011 10:47 UTC, Sudan is still only one country as a whole. Southern Sudan gets its independance on 9th July 2011. Therefore I have changed the word country to region in the Southern Sudan article and wish that it shall only be changed once 9th July has passed. It is only 20 days away so refrain from altering this until then.