User talk:Bearcat/Archive 1

Old discussion

• Archive 1 (2003/04)
• Archive 2 (2005)

this is from a gay magazine

http://www.365gay.com/newscon05/08/081605phelps.htm

• Not relevant; it's the exact same article you posted before, just from a different publication. It's still a conspiracy theory with no basis in any first-hand knowledge of Phelps' actual activities. Bearcat 01:15, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

Moving articles on afd

When you move an article that's on afd, could you please create a redirect from Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/NewTitle to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/OldTitle instead of moving the afd discussion? My bot can account for redirected afd discussions automatically, but it can't detect moved ones, and there isn't really an easy way to make it do so. —Cryptic (talk) 15:49, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

Attempt to remove all Jewish lists

Hi. An attempt is being made to force the deletion of all Jewish lists from Wikipedia. Please see the discussion at Wikipedia_talk:Centralized_discussion/Lists_by_religion-ethnicity_and_profession#Proposed_amendment:_remove_most_Jewish-related_lists and my compromise proposals at Wikipedia_talk:Centralized_discussion/Lists_by_religion-ethnicity_and_profession#Proposal_to_make_Jewish_lists_and_categories_historical_only. Thanks Arniep 10:02, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

University of Ottawa help

Hey beacat, I'm hoping that you can vote on the sections rewrites are appropriate enough. I have listed them under "Hiprocrite, it's time to get down to business" and "All right..." from 1-7. Vote on they seem acceptable please. Thanks!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:University_of_Ottawa

Anakinskywalker 05:15, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

User:Outerlimits and WP:NPA

Hey... we got off on the wrong foot with the effort by a few of us editors who were previously uninvolved in that particular list to clean up the citational standards for List of gay, lesbian or bisexual people. But despite whatever snippiness both sides might have shown, I know you're acting in good faith, and in ways that make sense given the pages you've specifically worked on, and the problems you've encountered.

Unfortunately, Outerlimits really seems to continue to be solely concerned with some kind of chip on his shoulder. S/he seems like one of those rather childish existing editors: specifically ones who not just feel ownership in the list, but accuse anyone trying to improve it of various types of bigotry. For example, somewhere completely different (List of Jewish jurists), the first time I asked for names to be cited I was accused of being a follower of Protocols of the Elders of Zion. Obviously, the accusation in this context is variations on slanders of homophobia (made, to my mind, even more absurd by the fact I've actually written a fair amount in academic queer theory; but I guess that's neither here nor there).

Well, anyway, it's now gotten to the point Outerlimits tracking down and lying about various stuff I've written outside WP (which isn't hard to do: I have a WP article on me that's linked to from my user page; and from there to other sites is simple enough). For example: [1], [2]. It's not that I'm really concerned about the personal attacks per se, I'm not that thin-skinned. But when an editor goes to those kind of lengths, it certainly usually portends a near future of increasing disruption of the editing process, and often futher so-called "wikistalking" (though that term is slightly silly, I know).

I was thinking maybe a stern word from an admin, and someone who has edited the list in question, might be able to get the user to cool his/her heals a bit. Or any other thoughts? Lulu of the Lotus-Eaters 06:56, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

Well, yes, spamming administrators would be one way of resolving interpersonal problems. Another might be to not storm in, bringing reinforcements with you, and insist on doing things your way without discussion. You could stop calling people childish, or even not launch disingenuous campaigns against what you characterize as "identitarian" lists, insisting that others perform the task of finding the citations you profess to want, not in order to further your stated goal of improving documentation in Wikipedia (which could be done on any article), but rather in furtherance of your agenda of decimating such lists. - Outerlimits 07:23, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

Category:United States television networks

Not sure from your comment if you supported by suggested alternative. I think this is what you want to see, or did I read your comment wrong? Vegaswikian 23:14, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

The Ditherals

I have requested that The Ditherals be reinstated on WP:DRV because it is my own opinion that it did not meet the criteria for speedy deletion. I also requested it to be relisted on AfD. This is not an endorsement of Palmerston or the article, merely noting that the article deserves due process. Stifle 11:57, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

And now for something completely different

Hi again, Bearcat. You were so very helpful over on that other article that we initially miscommunicated on, that I'm writing to see if I can tempt your interest in an entirely unrelated thing. Short story: I decided to try to get the quality of Ward Churchill up to some better standards. Churchill is a controversial figure, much daemonized by the right-wing USAian press, so he attracts a lot of drive-by POV mongers and vandals. Actually one really aggressive one managed to get himself blocked for 60 days (it followed some other RfAr decision stuff though).

There's another editor, User:Pokey5945 who is pretty much a single-issue editors. That is, the large majority of his edits (and all his initial month or so) were on Churchill's page. He started out with a definite anti-Churchill perspective, but mostly kept edits relatively factual, or at least allowed editing (mostly by me... there aren't a lot of people working on it) to get more NPOV tone. Unfortunately, he's become increasingly aggressive in trying to push an editorializing agenda with time. Actually, I refactored the page just yesterday to put about half the material in Ward Churchill (misconduct allegations), per length concerns and some previous discussion on the talk page (and a bit of WP:BOLD on my part); so today's problems are mostly on that child article.

Anyway, he got a 3RR warning in the past for some POV stuff he put in (but just a warning from admin User:MONGO, as Pokey5945's first infraction, and assuming lack of knowledge on rules). Tonight's effort is Pokey5945's repeated blanking of some counter-balancing material by a scholar named Tinker (who basically defends Churchill and criticizes a guy named Brown who attacks Churchill). Pokey5945 hasn't yet 3RR'd on this one, but I'd like to "cut it off at the pass"). I'm thinking that maybe a word from someone other than me would have a tempering effect. Lulu of the Lotus-Eaters 06:50, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your kind intervention to the talk page before. Trying to keep this one sane is really even worse than trying to protect some GLB topics, as you've done (believe it or not). So the latest is User:Fighterforfreedom. Looks like he's up to some no-good. (Actually, vaguely connected, Fighterforfreedom has also insisted on my talk page that I make some sort of allocution about my sexuality... God only knows why).

I took some effort to refactor some of the content to Ward Churchill (misconduct allegations). Figherforfreedom has repeatedly reverted to a version prior to a page refactoring. His/her edit comments claim that this had something to do with a concern with POV; but the change is simply making one overly large page rather than two reasonable size ones. Both of the pages, on a controversial topic, definitely pose a POV quagmire, but this user doesn't even seem to be pushing any POV except that pages should be >32k in size via this particular edit. I have some vague hunch from this user's contribution history (and talk page that s/he keeps blanking) that s/he somehow perceives getting rid of the refactoring is more anti-Churchill... but this narrow issue really has nothing whatsoever to do with pro- or anti- viewpoints, it's just about WP:SIZE.

Oh, hey... lobbying is a bit unseemly, but since I'm writing you on something else: I've just been nominated on RfA. If you'd like to opine, that would be cool. Lulu of the Lotus-Eaters 23:15, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

Template Idea (Canada's Educational Broadcasters)

I know TVOntario has a little template on the far right of the screen listing some of the specs (analog channel, call sign, etc.). I'm wondering if the same thing can be done with Knowledge Network, Access (CJAL), and Saskatchewan Communcations Network.

I don't feel like making a Wiki template because I don't have enough experience in doing such things yet. I would like to leave that to the experts.

MapleLeafFan04 19:20, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

I managed add some templates to Saskatchewan Communications Network, Tele-Quebec, CFTU-TV (Canal Savoir), and redid the one for TFO. I hope I did a pretty good job. MapleLeafFan04 21:41, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

Template:CanadaCopyright

You may be interested in this vfd: Wikipedia:Templates for deletion/Template:CanadaCopyright. --maclean25 01:35, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

American vs. United States

Hi. I noticed you left messages in a few places (well, one anyway) referring to a controversy over using "American" vs. "United States" for category names like "fooian foos". It seems to me like this controversy is cleared up pretty decisively at Wikipedia:Naming conventions (categories)/Usage of American. Feel free to point that out to people who want to start a controversy - esp. the part about being a "strong preference". Also point out that its parent Wikipedia:Naming conventions (categories) is an official policy. (I read that you don't agree with the controversy and I certainly don't either - and neither do any of the several South American, Central American or Canadian people I know who would be very confused if you referred to them as "American" - but I thought you might like the evidence to support that position).  :) —Wknight94 (talk) 04:00, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

Television networks by country subcategories

Hi. FYI, I listed a bunch of categories for renaming and merging as you had proposed in an earlier WP:CFD. If you feel like voting, they're at WP:CFD#Television networks by country subcategories. Thought you'd like to know!  :) —Wknight94 (talk) 04:08, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

Cabbagetown

Hi just saw you live in Cabbagetown, just wanted to say hi. I live with my girlfriend just west of cabbagetown, near allen gardens!!

University of Ottawa Talk Page

Can you come and please help for the last time; I have put forth sourced proof and would like your vote. Thanks.

Anakinskywalker 18:56 January 17, 2005 (UTC)

Proposed CanCon barnstar

I have proposed the creation of a new barnstar to recognize Canadian contributions of significance. I thought, given your support of CanCon at Wikipedia, that you might be interested in commenting.

--JTBurman 12:13, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

Sirius Canada Grey Market Numbers

You asked for a source. Previously I heard the number on Sirius, but it was on a show from a caller. That was unreliable. I agree with you on that one. This was researched by the Channel 100 News team. They work for Sirius and are a news team. They have reliability and as I said it is an estimate. Estimate.

I can see you are from Canada and have a liking in politics. Try to not be biased.

Just another note:

"Some media commentators have also suggested that Sirius Canada was not willing to pay the syndication fees required to broadcast Stern"

You posted this in Howard 100. First off it is not true nor is it a fact. Someone suggested this. How do you verify that the statement is true? You said Wikipedia only allows things posted on their site that is verified. I guess you are the exception to the rule?

You are clearly being biased.

Redd Dragon 19:24, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

--

What makes me think you are being biased is the fact that you have a high interest in the Canadian government and don't seem to like Stern at all. You add comments by unknown media outlets that are clearly against Stern (Like the comment I posted above) and then remove any comment that might make Sirius and Howard Stern look good.

Redd Dragon 19:34, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

I reworded it to say that the media said it (and who said it). Better?

Redd Dragon 19:40, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

Semi-protecting LGB lists

What would you think of using your admin mojo to such an effect. I know it's only supposed to be done in response to an "ongoing pattern" of vandalism... but I just took out Stephen Harper, for gosh sake (and about a million other foolish additions, mostly added by IP addresses. I presume that all these silly additions are supposed to act as some sort of trite homophobic insult of the people added, but the vandal patrol is annoying (as you well know, of course, having worked on this particular list long before I did). Lulu of the Lotus-Eaters 02:46, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

Ordering of election reults

Hey Bearcat, there was a discussion a while back at Wikipedia:WikiProject_Electoral_districts_in_Canada/Election_results#Chronological_order about whether the reuslts should be in chronological or reverse chronological order. The consensus seemed to be, more or less, in favour of reverse chronological order. As part of a clean-up of current Canadian electoral district articles, I've been following that sort-of consensus, and have done all ridings except those in Quebec, which I would do eventually. Whichever way it is to be done, I think it makes sense to pick one order and use that for all current ridings, rather than having some one way and some the other. Perhaps you could weigh in at the discussion above and try to restart it so that we can finalize a consensus before either of us does more work working at cross-purposes. Regards, Ground Zero | t 14:32, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

Kennel Club

You are invited to participate in the consensus vote on Kennel Club naming policy. Click here to participate.--Esprit15d 22:00, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

The Vestibules

I know how pipetext works. Their radio show was called "Radio Free Vestibule", not "The Vestibules", so sorting it under "The Vestibules" would be incorrect. When they changed their name to "The Vestibules" that doesn't retroactively change the name of their radio program from the past. Tnikkel 00:15, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

Moving the page to "Radio Free Vestibule" doesn't seem right since the page is about the group, not their radio program, and the group now calls itself "The Vestibules". I do understand how the sortkey/pipetext works and realize that it will produce a wierd looking category. I don't know what is the best solution to this. Tnikkel 00:40, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

Is there a policy not allowing categories on redirect pages? I looked on the general Wikipedia redirect and categories pages and there does not appear to be anything about categories on redirect pages there. Tnikkel 01:05, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

I just tried adding a category to Radio Free Vestibule and it appeared to work. The page was in the category, and the redirect continued to work. On the Wikipedia:Redirect page it talks about putting redirects into categories based on what kind of redirect it is (abbreviation, misspelling, etc), so categories should work fine on redirect pages. Tnikkel 05:49, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

London Tecumsehs

Bearcat, I've noticed that you've tagged the London Tecumsehs article for cleanup. What did you have in mind? Barry Wells 00:31, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

Bearcat, I've taken your advice and rearranged the London Tecumsehs article. It likely needs more fine-tuning, but I'll return to it later. Barry Wells 02:53, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

Evolution of knowledge

As an admin, would you please take a look at this page? It has some potential copyright issues.--Esprit15d 16:25, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

Auoindaon

I just noticed that you fixed my spelling mistake on the AfD page. Duh on me! Thank you for noticing and correcting it. Luigizanasi 07:39, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

Wikimedia Canada

Hi there! I'd like to invite you to explore Wikimedia Canada, and create a list of people interested in forming a local chapter for our nation. A local chapter will help promote and improve the organization, within our great nation. We'd also like to encourage everyone to suggest projects for our national chapter to participate in. Hope to see you there!--DarkEvil 02:04, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

Sudbury vs. Greater Sudbury

Unless a meteor took out Coniston, Capreol, Hanmer, Chelmsford and wherever else, Sudbury does not equal Greater Sudbury. The Industry Canada database lists them under Sudbury. Under Sudbury they should go. Are we listing Sydney stations under Cape Breton Regional Municipality? Chatham under Chatham-Kent? Why should Sudbury be any different? And when you consider that 99.9% of people either don't know or don't use the Greater Sudbury terminology, listing them (to the point where they're filed under G) only leads to confusion. Kirjtc2 06:51, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

That is a major stretch. The city's own logo has the "Sudbury" 5 times larger than the "Greater". Their business website is sudbury.ca. On the website are links to "Sudbury Tourism", "Sudbury Arena", "Planning Sudbury". The tourism website doesn't even have the Greater. Mike Harris's cutbacks didn't all of a sudden end a century-old name. Kirjtc2 07:29, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

I've decided to gather others' opinions over at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (city names). Kirjtc2 00:14, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Infobox Template

I'm not sure if I'm the only one but I find the recent modification to the Infobox broadcast template (see templates for various TV stations, etc.) a bit difficult to understand. I liked it when the template listed separate lines for analog and digital, according to this example if I can remember right...

Analog: Channel 19 (UHF) Toronto Digital: No plans for off-air digital/not applicible/(left blank)

...instead of...

Channel: 19 (Toronto) analog, no plans for digital digital

As I said, I find it hard to read.

Is it possible to revert the template itself back to what it looked like about 3 weeks ago, or at least part of it?

--MapleLeafFan04 01:39, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

Image:Noront.PNG

Hullo. The map at Image:Noront.PNG shows 2 "extra" counties in green w/o explanation and also shows all of Nipissing County, the southern half of which is not part of the normal definition, even that given in Northern Ontario as part of the area defined as such. So...I guess what I'm wondering is... "how come?"  :-p Tomer^talk 07:29, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

And the green counties? Tomer^talk 07:45, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

Oops! My bad! Thanks :-) Tomer^talk 07:54, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

CBLFT-TV

Personally, i do not get CBLFT-TV-17 on my television. I only recieve analogue, anyway. However, it appears it was moved from channel 68 (analogue) to 67 (digital). That is just its transmitter call-sign.

CBLFT-TV WAS on channel 17 in Sarnia, but they must have taken the analogue signal down, putting CBLFT-DT 68 in its place. It is a repeater of the Toronto Station CBLFT-TV, and is broadcast from near Oil Springs, using the same transmitter as CIII-TV. How do the Francophones get their SRC broadcasts now? do they pick it up from Windsor, Chatham, or London?

CBLFT-TV, on fccinfo.com CBLFT-TV on tvradioworld.com

Raccoon Fox 19:15, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

Request for edit summary

Hi. I am a bot, and I am writing to you with a request. I would like to ask you, if possible, to use edit summaries a bit more often when you contribute. The reason an edit summary is important is because it allows your fellow contributors to understand what you changed; you can think of it as the "Subject:" line in an email. For your information, your current edit summary usage is 33% for major edits and 100% for minor edits. (Based on the last 150 major and 150 minor edits outside the Wikipedia, User, Image, and all Talk namespaces.)

This is just a suggestion, and I hope that I did not appear inpolite. You do not need to reply to this message, but if you would like to give me feedback, you can do so at the feedback page. Thank you, and happy edits, Mathbot 03:34, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

Wikiproject subproject notification (late, sorry)

Hi Bearcat. I'm contacting you because you are a member of Wikipedia:WikiProject Sexology and sexuality. This project is inactive but exists. Anyway, I recently created a project Wikipedia:WikiProject Pedophilia which by right ought to be subproject ot Sexology and sexuality. In fact, I was (properly) upbraided for creating this project without consulting the members of WikiProject Sexology and sexuality. (Sorry, I just plain forgot). Anyway, my questions and comments are:

• Are you still an active member of Wikipedia:WikiProject Sexology and sexuality?
• Hi! As a member of the (logical) parent project, you are invited to view, contribute to, oversee, and/or join the subproject Wikiproject Pedophilia.
• Be aware that we have had a difficult birth and are considered by some to be inherently controversial, and may have some future controversies due to the sensitive nature of the material in our purview, although I hope not.
• In the normal course of things, I would join WikiProject Sexology and sexuality and edit it to include Wikiproject Pedophilia as a subproject. Do you have any objections or comments on that.
• We are considering renaming Wikipedia:WikiProject Pedophilia to Wikiproject Paraphilia, for various reasons. As a member of the parent project, do you have any thoughts on that?Herostratus 22:32, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

Martyrs' Shrine Pic

I'm assuming you are responsible for the article on Martyr's Shrine. If so, I'm pleased to see that you selected my picture to use as part of the article. I'm just curious as to how you found it out of the thousands that must be out there.

• I wrote up a lot of the original text, but I didn't include or select any photo. I'm going to have to review the matter, however — if it's your image and the person who did post it didn't ask you for permission first, they may have violated Wikipedia's copyright policy. If they didn't ask you first but you are okay with having it on Wikipedia, could you please confirm that in writing? Otherwise I'm going to have to remove the image. Bearcat 00:06, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Martyr && [cc]

Bonjour;

Could you help me understand cc license? If an image specif. has this license , such as the aforementioned (and as noted on its page, twice), I thought it did not require prior notice to its creator, per the [cc deed] wording. Can you clarify this for me in laymen's terms?

beaucoup, Merci.--Avé 16:45, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your response; it's just that your comments embarrassed me.

Request for move

Could you move Pink Panther to The Pink Panther (currently a redirect page)? Tnikkel 23:14, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. Tnikkel 23:29, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

Candidate Merges

• Thanks for your help on the Strelchick and Helferty AfD's, I wasn't aware of the 'former candidate lists' that you spoke about. I'll remember that for next time. Thanks. pm_shef 23:41, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

Cindy Cook

I was sifting through recent changes when I came across this article you just created. What a great idea! Good for you! Ifnord 00:15, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Help with repeated Blankings

Hey, I've been having trouble at Simon Strelchik with 3 users continually blanking or deleting massive amounts of the Talk page. I've reverted it half a dozen times, and they keep blanking it. I've warned them and filled out WP:AN/I amd WP:AN3 but I'm not sure what I should do... should I continue reverting? etc.. pm_shef 01:27, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

• • Thank you! pm_shef 01:42, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

• Ya, I guess it could definitly be seen that it was politically motivated (it wasn't), I'll be more careful in the future. What's this "Canadian Notice Board" you mentioned? pm_shef 02:11, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Another Stupid AfD

Hey, sorry to keep bugging you, but you seem to be one of the few level headed people around here. Anyways, user:MSJapan has nominated Alan Shefman for deletion. This is despite the fact that we've already agreed ("we" being the people involved in the last AfD), that all members of Vaughan council are entitled to articles - what should we do? Thanks again man. pm_shef 05:06, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

No one's entitled to anything. Thought I'd get that out of the way. With that said, I'm a completely uninvolved party who hadn't seen the other AfDs; if you can put content into the bio saying what notable things he's accomplished, say briefly why those things matter, and get any sort of press coverage linked in, I will strongly consider throwing my support in to keep this article. Otherwise, the AfD is simply too contentious to be worth getting involved. I know, it's a bit of heavy lifting, but if you get that done, you can Speedy Keep future attempts at this by showing the obvious evidence of notability. As it is, being an ignorant American, I have no idea what the Vaughan Council is and why it's at all relevant; people voting to delete might find themselves in the same situation. Truly, JDoorjam Talk 05:38, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Reform

Wikipedia began as an open effort to create an encyclopedia of the people, by the people, for the people. Sadly, its bureaucracy has put an end to those goals. To this end, we must promote a peaceful revolution to reform it. We must eliminate the undue influence of certain people and remake Wikipedia as a people's encyclopedia. We, the reformers, are led by TJWhite who endured only briefly before suffering an indefinite block. Visit his user page to see our ideology, roughly outlined. I for one do not condone his call to vandalism. Instead, by using the power of the people, we can reform wikipedia. Join us to recreate an encyclopedia where all are equal; an encyclopedia that does not strive to become Brittannica, but rather seeks to be a one of kind encyclopedia for all of the people of the world. Please pass this message in some form to as many people as you can. Secondly, petition for the unblock of TJWhite, the one who began our glorious movement. Finally, link to his page from your user page and express your sentiments for reform on your page. Thank You, fellow wikipedians. LaRevolution 15:36, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

This is a joke, right? You don't really expect an administrator to defend someone who went around adding a personal rant about Wikipedia's "Nazi culture" to articles on flags, highways and provinces of Thailand, right? And just for the record, you'd have to cite some pretty specific examples to convince me that Wikipedia is somehow failing in a goal to be "the people's encyclopedia", because I just don't see how that's the case. Bearcat 20:07, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

move request

Can you move Gabriel Lalemant to Gabriel Lallemant. Unfortunately, I made this page... and moving w/o "God Mode", or rather admin, will not move comments/discussion...which is undesireable

I'll send you a pic of "Automatic For The People", if you want

Vaughan

I just noticed your message located in "to delete Gino Ruffolo". Infact I was going to put a a "keep" but didn't after reading the message. I made some changes and added a vaughan municipal election page and candidates prior to reading your message. This is done in the same way that it is posted for the toronto municipal election and some candidates. Please let me know what you think of my changes and additions.--Eyeonvaughan 03:55, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

• Hey, the new articles Elliott Frankl and Yehuda Shahaf should be listed for AfD per WP:BIO (they're municipal candidates - no hits on google news, no noteable positions, etc, etc). I would do it, but they happens to be running against my father... so a bit of a conflict of interest there. As you saw Gino Ruffolo has been listed for deletion for the same reason, so if you could do this, or if you know someone who could, that'd be great. Thanks, pm_shef 21:28, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

Maybe my Google News isn't working, but I can't find any hits on Alan Shefman. 70.29.239.249 06:22, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

infact both frankl and shahaf held notable postions prior to being candidates in the municipal election. Bearcat please read my talk page in response to pm-shef's question that he asked me--Eyeonvaughan 06:42, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

I looked at other wiki articles of Ontario cities that compare to the city of Vaughan, Brampton (5th largest in Ontario), London (6th largest in Ontario), Markham (7th largest in Ontario) ,Vaughan (8th largest in Ontario), Windsor, (9th largest in Ontario) Kitchener (10th largest in Ontario http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brampton%2C_Ontario http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London%2C_Ontario http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Markham%2C_Ontario http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windsor%2C_Ontario http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitchener All of them don’t have any members of council even listed on their cities articles and none have personal articles and only a couple of the mayors have articles (which could be for other accomplishments). There is a definite conflict of interest having a Vaughan councillors son posting and debating here. He thinks he can post his fathers page yet at the same time get rid of all the competition articles. In all fairness, I believe there is one of two choices that I think is fair. 1. To have all members of council have articles plus all candidates running in the municipal election have articles 2. To take down all articles of council and candidates and remove all council names from the cities wiki page. This is how all the cities that compare to Vaughan have their cities articles (three larger than Vaughan and two slightly smaller) I would prefer option #1 but I would be ok with option #2 anything in between I am not ok with and I will continue debating. PS: I’m glad to see the strelchick article survived the deletion debate. --Eyeonvaughan 09:02, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

• We've already established that i was in a conflict of interest posting the article originally. i was a new user and didn't know the rules. That being said, I thought we'd agreed that vaughan councillors don't deserve their own pages but should be amalgamated into one "vaughan council page" plus, with the creation of the "vaughan council election, 2006" article, there is zero need for the individual NN candidates to have their own articles. pm_shef 01:51, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Eljay?

Can I read your blog? My LJ name is sonjaaa --Sonjaaa 03:53, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

User that keeps doing cut-and-paste moves

There is one user (or at least I believe it is one user) that keeps doing cut-and-paste moves for articles that have long edit histories. Almost every page in question can be moved using a regular move (ie it doesn't require overwriting a page). The MO for this user is to register a new user account for every day's worth of editing, and they never have an email address associated with the account, so contacting them is difficult. Their edits are fine, it's just that almost every day they do a cut-and-paste move. The most recent user account they have used is User:Mackintosh Blues (based on the type of edits done I believe that the accounts User:Cockadoodle, User:Good vs. Bad, User:Blackbone 5000, User:Jumbo Juice, User:Li'l Bean, User:The Arc of Fame and probably a few more are all from the same person). I have left a message about cut-and-paste moves on the talk page of every account that they have used. But they have never responded in any way. Most recently I left a message on User talk:Mackintosh Blues and the user edited pages after I left the message, so they must have seen my message (before that I had never been able to leave a message on the account's talk page while they were still editing, and since they would just use a new account for the next editing session they would probably never see my other messages). Could you please direct me on where to go to try to get this user to stop doing cut-and-paste moves? I have exhausted all avenues available to me in this matter. Tnikkel 07:18, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

Blanking Spree

• Sorry to keep bugging you, but I know you're good at your job. User:70.29.239.249 went on a massive deletion spree this afternoon. I've reverted all of them, but he keeps coming back and deleting my reverts. Help please! pm_shef 01:52, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

As far as I'm concerned, pm_shef is a biased user. He is in a conflict-of-interest to post about ANYTHING concerning the City of Vaughan. He is the son of a counsellor and on numerous occasions, he has tried to convince other members to get pages deleted. He can't do it himself because he says he would be "in a conflict of interest." It is not a coincidence that he has been involved in conflicts with numerous users on this site. Please do something about this. 70.29.239.249 05:05, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Biased or not, as things currently stand he's working within Wikipedia's rules, and you guys haven't been. If you want to dispute his contributions, the correct way to do that is to discuss them IN GOOD FAITH (not the snarky ad hominems you guys are so fond of) on the article talk pages, or to raise an RFC; you do not have a right to disrupt Wikipedia by waging a reversion war. Pm_shef has respected the rules of conduct here, while you haven't. That's the difference. Bearcat 05:08, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

• When you are dealing with politics, it is difficult to discuss things in "good faith." I'm assuming if an agreement is not reached by two disputing parties, that a moderator or administrator would step in? 70.29.239.249 05:14, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

No, actually, it's not all that hard. I generally have very little difficulty conducting a civil, reasoned debate with people whose political views are diametrically opposed to mine but who are capable of debating maturely and rationally. For one thing, you don't insult the other person. For two, you don't revert every edit they make without discussing why you object to it on the talk page. And for three, you don't start the discussion from the a priori conclusion that everything they touch is inherently biased. It's really not that difficult to do.

I will post a request at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard for someone to assist in the dispute; since I've already been involved in this, I certainly won't be the one to rule on it. Bearcat 05:26, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

3RR

Leave it. You're getting sucked in too much (and I know what that's like). Those edits by pm_shef were all adding comments to the talk page. Not one single one of them was a revert. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 10:20, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

It just gets better. Look at the edit summary here. It's either vandalism or an admition of a sockpuppet. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 09:14, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Personal Attacks

Bearcat- pm_shef and his sockpuppet, "70.29.239.249", are putting up their personal attacks against a previous opponent of his father's, simon strelch. There is a comment, "this guy is a nobody", then pm_shef agrees and says "he's done nothing notable whatsoever".

Under wikipedia:Wikiquette, it is written: "Principles of Wikipedia etiquette... Argue facts, not personalities."

The fact that Pm_shef won't "Forgive and Forget" his loss and accept the community's consensus around the AfD really means he isn't "Recognizing his own biases and keeping them in check," but pursuing his personal agenda which just so happens to coincide with his father's (and his) interests.

Under Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not, it is written: "Wikipedia is not a soapbox, or a vehicle for propaganda and advertising. Therefore, Wikipedia articles are not: 2. Self-promotion. The arbitration committee ruled on February 17, 2006 that: "Editors should avoid contributing to articles about themselves or subjects in which they are personally involved, as it is difficult to maintain NPOV while doing so." [1]

Pm_shef should stop trying to damage, remove or defame the articles of his father's opponents, including Yehuda Shahaf, Simon Strelch and Elliott Frankl. Please assist.

CasanovaAlive 01:46, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

• How am I pm_shef's sockpuppet? I argued with the guy for two days on a variety of pages. 70.29.239.249 15:04, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

• HIM, my sockpuppet?????!!! We've agreed on one thing over hte past month, and the rest of the time were engaged in revert wars!! How on EARTH is he my sockpuppet? pm_shef 07:04, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

== More == pm_shef 01:39, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

From Talk:Vaughan Municipal Election. "Now that this page is up and running, I think that the individual pages for Gino Ruffolo, Elliott Frankl and Yehuda Shahaf should be deleted" pm_shef 01:39, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

CasanovaAlive 01:49, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

• How is the above quote wrong or against the rules in any way? The consensus was that we'd have the central election page rather than individual pages for each candidate. My comments were simply in line with that consensus. pm_shef 07:03, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Move

Could you move Ogden, Charles over the redirect Charles Ogden? The cut-and-paste mover did this one, and I actually feel motivated enough to make this move properly (rather then just reverting their improper move). Tnikkel 00:16, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. Tnikkel 00:24, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

David Miller

Could I request that you revert some of the recent changes by User:Gold Dragon? I've already reached my three reverts for the 24-hour period.

I'm particularly concerned about this line: "noting that a fiscal self-examination was overdue while spending on new programs was rampant", which seems to be a deliberate misrepresentation of the source material. (I've explained my rationale on the talk page.) CJCurrie 20:01, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

New Wiki

I see you mention on your user page that you suffer from depression. I'm in the process of starting up a new wiki, and I wondered if you might be interested. It's based at Wikicities, a project started by Jimbo and Angela. Wikicities hosts many wikis, but the one I'm working on will hopefully be a comprehensive resource for people with depression. If you are interested in contributing, the site is at http://depression.wikicities.com . It's quite new, so there isn't much there yet, but if you would have a look that would be great. Hope to see you there -- sannse (talk) 09:57, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

Category:Ghost Whisperer episodes

Could you please delete this category? The page List of Ghost Whisperer episodes should go directly into Category:Lists of television series episodes, which I just did, and Pilot (Ghost Whisperer) is already in the list. Thanks. --JeffW 18:39, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

You could put it in Category:CBS network shows and sort it to come out right next to the main Ghost Whisperer entry. Or a lot of shows have their own category with the same name but I'm not sure I like that idea unless there's more than a few pages and sub-categories to put in it. --JeffW 18:52, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Or you could just make it a list which does properly belong in the Episode lists category. A list has the advantage that you can put the episodes in chronological order and add comments. --JeffW 18:56, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Didn't you create that category? In that case, I think you can ask them to speedy delete it. In any case, I'm not sure why you have a category since the only thing in it is the List of episodes article and a single episode. Were you going to populate it with all the episodes?

Would it make sense to create an Episode by television series category and make it a subset of one of the television categories? Then we could move all the Episodes of ... categories there and not have them in the Episode lists category where they don't make sense. --JeffW 20:21, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

I've made this proposal in Wikipedia talk:Categorization. Thank you for your time. --JeffW 23:06, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Category:TV Ontario shows

You're right. Ardenn 23:54, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Bisexual actors

Hi, there is a bit of a debacle occuring in relation to bisexual allegations in Tyrone Power's article- I would appreciate your viewpoint at Wikipedia:Mediation_Cabal/Cases/2006-03-03_Tyrone_Power. Thanks Arniep 16:01, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your input. Arniep 00:59, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

Peter Tabuns npov?

Aidepikiw1 made some significant changes to the Peter Tabuns article. I think certain phrases need to be made NPOV.

protect our public health system

Tabuns has long been a strong and effective campaigner for protection of our environment.

I did revert one crucial paragraph that the user had deleted re: ban on smoking in bars and restaurants and his defeat by Pam McConnell. I run this past you because of your admin status and familiarity with the article. Thanks also for your help over at talk:Rachel_Marsden. --Cyberboomer

Help with NPA Accusations

• Hey, User:UndergroundRailroad has accused me three times now of violating WP:NPA. He keeps putting the warning templates up on my page but has not yet been able to tell me any examples of my violating the policy. I'm worried that having the warnings on my page will give me a bad reputation, despite the fact that I haven't done anything.... Help Please? -- pm_shef 04:50, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

Them Vaughan freaks

Did you scroll up my page a bit and see the bit about Elliot Frankl and Mario Racco. I don't know if they are users or people mentioned in the article. Can't these guys discuss athe linking? I can just see it now protecting the page because they can't agree on a redirect. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 07:14, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

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These attacks were posted by Pm_shef here: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Eyeonvaughan&oldid=41257881

Quotations:

• "Meanwhile this "reputable candidate" you keep referring to, Elliot Frankl, is a nutcase"

• "Sure maybe she's not as intelligent as someone like Elinor or other MP's, but she's a hell of a lot better than Racco, a sleazeball to the nth degree"

Pm_shef has already received his second warning. He should remove his many personal attacks soon, or otherwise some of these attacks will be removed and he will receive his third and final warning. UndergroundRailroad 01:50, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

• Is there anything we can do about these guys? They seem to be sockpuppets... all the same guy. -- pm_shef 18:57, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

Cut and paste mover

Thanks for your help so far, but the Admin noticeboard doesn't seem to have generated any solution. Would you be willing to block this user for say 24 hours to try to get their attention, like was suggested on the noticeboard? Their current account is User:Riverflow, and I believe that they also sometimes edit as the IPs (probably when they accidentally forget to login) User:66.75.14.189, User:70.181.236.81, User:207.88.204.11. (Although they look very different, they all appear to be IPs from the San Diego area.) I recently stopped leaving any messages on the person's various talk pages to see if they would keep the same account longer, and it appears that they do. They usually make very few edits after I leave them a message; but if I do not leave a message they keep the same account for 2 or more days. So I'm starting to think that they are actively ignoring any attempts at contacting them. Tnikkel 09:14, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for telling me to read User:66.75.14.189, somehow I had completely missed that. I'll try and leave you a message as soon as I see the user using new account. Tnikkel 07:31, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

Another suspected account of MascatGuy is the latest to do editing, just a few hours ago: User:Claws 'n' Jaws. Chances are they will come back in 24 hours, so a 24 block might do something. Tnikkel 08:14, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

User 199.212.26.244 vandalizing Scarborough article

Hi, I noticed you were an administrator. The user at ip address 199.212.26.244 has repeatedly vandalized the Scarborough article by removing the News section. Can anything be done to suspend this person's editing privileges?

Thanks, Atrian 01:32, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

Belinda

Please read this. [3] In one of the lines it stated "She negotiated a win-win union contract—Magna’s first—with the Canadian Auto Workers." But I re-woreded for wikipedia "She also negotiated a Magna’s first win-win union contract with the Canadian Auto Workers union." The link for that info is also in the Belinda page in wikipedia.

Judi McLeod and user SlimVirgin

Administrator SlimVirgin is deleting paragraphs for questionable reasons. We're on the verge of a revert war. She explains little in the talk:Judi McLeod page. I made a compromise edit that incorporated many of her complaints and suggestions. I have no idea how to proceed or deal with her further. You have experience in this article. Can you help? Please? (sigh) Elsewhere she writes in regards to other users, James, I can only assume you are very young, because this level of immaturity is extremely unusual, and you have no idea how tiresome. --Cyberboomer 00:21, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for helping. --Cyberboomer 20:47, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

CFMX

Yes, their studios is in Tornoto.

--65.54.154.25 06:11, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

CBLFT-TV in Sarnia

turns out it IS moving to UHF-17, since Channels 63, 68, and 69 are being decomissioned, like 1 and 37 were. Amagazuma or whatever his name is was right after all.

Source

Raccoon Fox 20:16, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Hüsker Dü/Husker Du categories

Thanks for letting me know what was to be done in this case. An added complexity, though, is the ambiguity around properly spelling their name: isn't there some value in keeping a "Husker Du" category in case users search for them that way? I wasn't sure if the issue had been debated with specific application to this band somewhere... I didn't (and still wouldn't) know where to find such a discussion, if it has taken place. So I wanted to leave both categories there, so if I was repeating a past mistake, someone could let me know (hopefully with civility, as you did about this more procedural issue). Ccoll 16:33, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for supporting my position in the 3RR incident. I generally feel let-down by the whole thing, but I really appreciate your nod of support. OhNoitsJamie^Talk 00:51, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Vaughan Sockpuppets

• I know you'd rather not get dragged into this, but I figure if anyone knows how to handle it, you would. I'm sure you've noticed that User:Poche1 has been tagged as a Sockpuppet of User:Leotardo a few hours later, the user account User:Skycloud was created, and immediately began editing the same pages that we've been fighting over. I think that all of them are sockpuppets of Eyeonvaughan. Especially since this new Skycloud fellow just created a Vaughan Watch page, a website that I believe Eyeonvaughan runs. Regardless, I think you'll agree that we have an issue (and, hopefully, that I've been doing a fairly okay job staying out of the mess lately). You'll also notice on Elliott Frankl's talk page, I've uncovered evidence that a good number of the claims on his article are blatantly false. pm_shef 02:59, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

• Can we please have Skycloud blocked?!!!? He's really pissing me off. pm_shef 04:49, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

• Clearly you're not responding to me, but regardless, I wanted to let you know I love the thermometer on your userpage :). pm_shef 06:31, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

• EyeonVaughan does NOT run Vaughan Watch. I suspect another user named Vaughan Watch does. 69.198.130.82 16:59, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Waffle Wednesday

Bearcat deleted "Waffle Wednesday" (bullshit.) HA! TKE 07:14, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Oh a good ha. Stood out on the log. TKE 07:19, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Good. I would have, but I just put the masturbation one in. Happy editing! TKE 07:22, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

New Brunswick

I switched to [[Category:New Brunswick, New Jersey|Scott, Joseph Warren]]

I apologize in advance if I do it again. You can switch if you catch me doing it again.

{{categoryredirect}} and cfd

Hi. I noticed you saying at WP:CFD that you had slapped the bot-move template on a category with a capitalization difference. FWIW, NekoDaemon (the bot that does those kind of moves) is down at the moment...so for the moment all categories have to be moved manually. Hopefully Cryptic or FreakofNurture (who are both working on replacements) will have some success soon, or AllyUnion (NekoDaemon's owner) will be able to fix NekoDaemon.

Just a heads up. :/ --Syrthiss 20:54, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks

Thank you for your recent changes to some of my favourite articles regarding Malta. I am contesting for adminship, and wonder whether you could place your vote. [[4]]... Please help Maltesedog 12:14, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks

I'm not very proficient at wikipedia, and am thankful to anyone who helps my (limited) contributions better. So thankyou. --Delzen 21:59, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

PS Hey, can you help me? I need a redirect from Marquis No.191 to Marquis No. 191, Saskatchewan. And the old one deleted. I'd like to know how to do this myself, but also grateful if it can be fixed by someone more competent. --Delzen 02:06, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

User:Earl Andrew

Hi. I note that you're an administrator who has worked with User:Earl Andrew on articles. If you have a moment, would you mind taking a look at the situation I brought up on WP:AN? Thanks. Jkelly 00:32, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

please take off that comment. thanks— Preceding unsigned comment added by Licenze (talk • contribs)

Mario Silva

He was an acting mayor of Toronto. I looked it up, AND it says it in his article. Does that in anyway disqualify him from the category? --curling rock Earl Andrew - talk 22:16, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

I've added information to the article about "Acting Mayor". If you don't like it please feel free to remove it. Thanks. --Cyberboomer 21:47, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

Hi Bearcat. I understood your points fully. I thought adding this additional information might ward off future confusion. As I say, if you don't like the change, please delete it. I defer to you and your wisdom in this matter. --Cyberboomer 22:48, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

User:JohnnyCanuck

• User:JohnnyCanuck has begun making unverifiable and uncited reverts on Elliott Frankl and International Hockey Hall of Fame, I've put warnings on his page, but he keeps doing it.... help would be appreciated. pm_shef 02:59, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

I read your messages, please correct me if I am wrong but there seems to be selected enforcment of unvarifable info that pm_shef complained about. Serve on Hall of Fame board delete, governement affiars committee delete, police committe delete, why is eveything else being saved then, could you varify every thing else?, descendent of viktor keep?, ministry of education advisor keep?, member of mensa keep? organizer of petersons campaign keep?, appointment by minister of revenue keep?, Try to be consistant with your edits.--JohnnyCanuck 05:00, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Hypocrite

• This was posted on Leotard talk page a few days ago:

Again: Wikipedia has formatting rules. The existing version that several of us keep reverting back to is consistent with those rules; your version is not. Given that, I'd really like for you to explain why you think that your version is the one that's entitled to stand as the final word. And I'd also like for you to explain how exactly it is that you think the reversions are vandalism but your repeated change isn't. And just for the record: Wikipedia is not Myspace, where you could put anything you want up in any format you wish because the space belongs to you — Wikipedia is an objective, NPOV encyclopedia. The article belongs to Wikipedia, not to Simon, so it has to stay within Wikipedia's inclusion and formatting rules. In fact, under the rules, Simon and people who know him personally actually have no business editing the article at all, because it's not their space to write anything they want about him; it's Wikipedia's space to write something neutral and objective about him. Bearcat 18:28, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

• Why didn't you say this to pm_shef back when he was writing his dad's page? Please answer my question first, than you can write all of your wiki warnings about all the rules I broke by posting this. 69.198.130.82 17:26, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Sorry to rain on your victory parade, but I did tell pm_shef the same thing. And so did several other people. Bearcat 17:51, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

• Next time I'll bring an umbrella. 69.198.130.82 22:13, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Suggestion

Bearcat I understand you are an administrator for wiki. and have the authority to delete and suspend articles and users. I have been reading over all the posting related to Vaughan. Although it seems to be only one person on here that is causing the problems (I think you could guess who he is as he’s the only one related to a politician on here)., here’s a suggestion. Delete everything that relates to the City of Vaughan and suspend all users that has been updating and making comments to Vaughan and all politicians articles related to Vaughan. If you think I deserve to be included as I did make edits to an article related to Vaughan then please suspend me as well. I got on to wiki mostly for my sports interests, I was contacted by a user (see my talk page) to expand an article if I had access to the information, which I did and I can assure you every edit I have made on wiki is accurate with the exception of a few unintentional grammar and spelling errors.--JohnnyCanuck 19:19, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

• Woohoo, more people accusing me of bias. Join the club Johnny. So far every Vaughan editor affiliated with Eyeonvaughan and Vaughanwatch have accused me of bias, yet none of them have been able to come up with even one solid example of an edit i have made that is not 100% in line with Wiki policies. I strongly encourage you to find one.

In other news Bearcat, the fight over the MP Lunches has started again at Susan Kadis. I pointed out that you explicitly told them to drop the issue in the past, but they're not listening to me (big surprise). pm_shef 03:58, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

Survey

I am conducting a survey on Wikipedia and would like to invite you to participate in the study. I've posted a message on wikien-l, but here is the link again in case you are not subscribed to that list-serv. Thanks a lot for your time! --Mermes 01:22, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Vaughan ridiculousness

Hey -- I just wanted to say good for you for standing up for pm_shef... but it really seems to me there's deeper stuff going on here. I was going to suggest to pm_shef that he take a break from Vaughan articles and work on something else to try to get away from the hounding, but it really looks like there's a wide variety of POV-pushing editors on Vaughan-related topics, and pm_shef is the only other editor who actually knows about any of this stuff, so my suggestion would screw everything up! There's certainly been massive violation of WP:AGF against him, even if they don't rise quite to the level of personal attacks.. and I think there's probably wikistalking going on, too. Have there been RfC's on any of these people yet? I think it would be a good idea; mediation can't work because there are too many topics to mediate. Mangojuice 05:00, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

User Dispute RFC

• Hey, please be aware that I have taken Thryduulf's advice and created a User Dispute RfC regarding User:Eyeonvaughan's behaviour in accordance with Wikipedia's Dispute Resolution Process. It can be found here. pm_shef 04:09, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

So enterprising of you Pm_shef. I wonder where you get this drive to fight your father's fights.

I see you are following Bearcat's request of not being involved in Vaughan politics very closely. And how the admin user:Bearcat is enforcing that npov rule. It must be WikiHeaven. VaughanWatch 00:18, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Northwestern Ontario

I see your point about NWO not wanting a new province, but I don't think it made sense in the secession article either, since that one is about seceding from Canada. Maybe the new provinces article should b adjusted to include changes to provinical boundaries. Ground Zero | t 02:56, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Sock check

Just a heads up that I submitted a checkuser request for some suspected sockpuppets involved the Vaughan stuff: Wikipedia:Requests_for_CheckUser#Leotardo_.28talk_.E2.80.A2_contribs.29. OhNoitsJamie^Talk 20:13, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

It gets better...

He's a regular!

And one wonders if he's the epoymous poster here... Samaritan 10:02, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

Many, Many thanks

Thanks so much for always being vigilant with Vaughancruft. I can't even imagine how trying it is for you, and your dedication to keeping it all NPOV and rooting out the vandals is admirable. I wish I had the patience that you've demonstrated time and time again. A sheynem Danke! -- pm_shef 04:37, 10 April 2006 (UTC) Stop you're making him blush. VaughanWatch 07:05, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

IHHOF Board of Directors

The IHHOF board of directors has finally been updated. http://www.ihhof.com/aboutBoard.htm I plan to write articles on all the directors, including a rewrite of Frankl's which the previous article on him was vandalised and deleted based on the false claim from one politically motivated user that he didn't serve on the board. The Frankl article that was put up for deletion should now be restored as the politically motivated claim by one user has now been proven to be false. Most of the deletes were based on the false info. that he didn't serve on the board of an international organization. --JohnnyCanuck 18:51, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

Category:54-40 albums

You recently commented on your revert to my edit of Category:54-40 albums:

correct sorting procedure for titles that begin with numbers is to spell the number out in the sortation key; we want it listed under the letter F, not the number 5.

I know exactly why you sorted it the way you did, but I respectfully disagree. Can you point me to some documentation that explains what to do in situations like these? I'm not going to make any similar edits until I know what is correct. Mattbrundage 19:34, 10 April 2006 (UTC)