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Princess Beatrice for a heritage thingy. Also Shergar's approach, different but similar... Not quite family trees but I'll see if I can find one of those now... The Rambling Man (talk) 09:09, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

Well, lookie here: {{Family tree}}. Coding looks not too bad... what you got in mind? The Rambling Man (talk) 09:13, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

Come have a chat with me and Ealdgyth at Talk:William the Conqueror? --Dweller (talk) 09:41, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

The example at Princess Beatrice's page is exactly what William's page had before, and it was awful. It doesn't take into account siblings, aunts and uncles etc. You'd never find something like that in a history book. Nev1 (talk) 10:01, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

Yes, I would agree it looks awful. That's why I suggested having a look-see at {{Family tree}}. The Rambling Man (talk) 10:07, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

I got an edit conflict while expanding my above comment. The format produced by {{Family tree}} at least looks like an actual family tree, but looking at the code I wonder if it wouldn't just be simpler to draw one. Someone from the graphics lab may be able to help. Nev1 (talk) 10:08, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

That's a good idea (what's the graphics lab?) - there are some... unconventional relationships in the mix for The Bastard. --Dweller (talk) 10:24, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Graphic Lab/Illustration workshop is a place you can go if you want an image cleaned, vectorised, or something. From what I remember it doesn't really have enough editors to go round and as such there can be a bit of a queue, but it might be worth making enquiries. Nev1 (talk) 10:32, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

<-"Vectorised" Sounds uncomfortable. Anyway, good idea. --Dweller (talk) 10:44, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

I don't work for 'em, but I got the tools... The Rambling Man (talk) 10:50, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

Raja Rasalu

Hello , admin! You deleted a page Raja Rasalu to be very short. I want to create much developed article for the same. Can I see the previous contents of the page that were deleted by you, Please? And please leave a talkback message on my talk page. TariButtar (talk) 07:04, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

thanks, dear. Instead of informing for reply you replied on my talk page that's the best. and I wanna know upto how much contents an article is considered able to be deleted as short/very short? TariButtar (talk) 08:51, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

Grant Crookes

Hi there - do you have any other sources? I'm not happy he meets GNG and am considering AfD. GiantSnowman 12:24, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

Picking a few from Google: ([1]), ([2]), and this lot: ([3]). Incidentally, he seems to pass FOOTY notability guidelines. That list of Hartlepool players mentioned in the prod may well be incomplete. It's hardly the most reliable of sites. --Dweller (talk) 12:39, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

Not at all, the Neil Brown site is complete, reliable & very much respected. He's not listed here either. GiantSnowman 13:09, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

Strange/interesting. There's stacks and stacks of media coverage of him. --Dweller (talk) 13:18, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

WP:ROUTINE - local news saying that Garth Crooks becomes manager of local team. Do you really think an obscure non-league manager is notable? GiantSnowman 13:25, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

I don't really care. Just we shouldn't prod an article which is covered in lots of sources. To me, ROUTINE would cover things like "Foo knocked in the winning goal", not an appointment that's been covered. I'm also not sure we can discount copious RS all saying he played notable football, because of omission from other RS. Perhaps the geezer changed his name? Who knows. Happy for you to AfD it if you like. --Dweller (talk) 13:30, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

What RS say he played professional football? GiantSnowman 13:31, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

Good point. Hartlepool and Darlington have both had non-league spells. --Dweller (talk) 13:37, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

Hartlepool have not been in non-league since before WWII, and even if they had, he would still be listed at the 'inthemadcrowd.co.uk' linked above - that site is ridiculously comprehensive and even includes youth/reserve players. Likewise, Darlo were in non-league 1989-1990 (and 2010-present), so when he apparently played for them they were in the Football League still. GiantSnowman 13:57, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

<Puzzled> Then, as we have RS saying he played 50 times for them, we are back to the comment I made at 13:30. --Dweller (talk) 14:09, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

Probability of a lazy journalist copying incorrect stats from Wikipedia without checking? Very high. GiantSnowman 14:22, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

FYI, now at AfD. GiantSnowman 15:44, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

"Terrorism"

Hello there! Certainly, in an ideal Wikipedian world, the term "terrorist" should be expunged from certain areas of the 9/11 article, but at the moment I am not going to go through and remove them all, considering the backlash that I would undoubtedly receive from certain editors, many of whom are still very sensitive about the issue. However, it is academically recognised that the word "terrorist" is essentially subjective, primarily being used in reference to "militants we oppose" by English-speaking governments and media outlets. Thus, most westerners have no qualms about labeling Al-Qaeda a "terrorist" organisation, whereas hardline Islamists might call them "freedom fighters" or something of that nature. To use an example that is currently relevant, the Syrian government has labelled the Free Syrian Army as "terrorists", but western media and governments tend to prefer the term "opposition forces". Within Wikipedia, which strives for neutrality, objective terms such as "militant" are therefore preferable to words like "terrorist" (Midnightblueowl (talk) 10:33, 30 May 2012 (UTC)).

Hello. Is there a community consensus you can show me somewhere that says we should not use the word "terrorist" when RS do? --Dweller (talk) 10:35, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

See WP:NPOV. Sources - even very reliable ones - are not necessarily, and are not required to be, neutral, but WP articles must always be neutral. Roger (talk) 12:45, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

So, I suggest you initiate a conversation regarding the removal of the instances of "terrorist" from the 9/11 article. I imagine that will quickly ascertain community consensus on whether the term, when used by a mass of RS, is POV or NPOV. --Dweller (talk) 13:04, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

IP block exempt

Hi Dweller, Thanks for removing the sysop bit the other day. You added back rollbacker and IP-block exempt, but I'm fairly sure I won't be needing IP-block exempt, and I seem to recall that the powers that be like to give that out on an as-needed only basis. Could you remove the IP-block exempt for me? --Floquenbeam (talk) 21:20, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

Done. I noticed you'd had it in the past, which is why I granted it. On review, it seems to have been a test, so that was my error. Thanks for the note. --Dweller (talk) 08:09, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

Ah, I understand now. I can't even recall what it was Xeno and I were testing. Anyway, thanks for the help. --Floquenbeam (talk) 16:15, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

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Declan Rudd's school days

The link I usually used appears to be broken, so by all means remove it if you wish. My son's girlfriend is a Canaries fan, and hails from a village between Diss and Beccles. She says she will try to find out.Bashereyre (talk) 17:57, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

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Active editors include bots but can subtract

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re: Too Many Crickets... :)

Hi Dweller, thanks for such a calm comment. I read your pages with interest. I read the Wiki Edit page you link about creation of featured articles, understanding that the "directions', if you will, are all about showcasing well-written articles. This does make sense, as it rewards people for all their hard work.

However, before I began to edit, I always used to wonder, "what is it about Wikipedia and Dreadnought class battleships, cricket players (often Australian), etc." Between the "on this day" "featured articles" and "did you know" sections, you really could get the impression World War Two is still going on, with short breaks for cricket! Nothing personal - I realize I'm treading on hallowed ground here, however...

Wikipedia is also a source of news and information for people. In its capacity as knowledge disseminator and entertainment site, (entertainment, or shall I say engagement, draws the viewrs who pay for the site), I think Wikipedia should give some thought to trying to showcase a variety of articles. That Wiki Edit page has nothing about content, but I really think it should. We should develop some mechanism for keeping an interesting flow of articles, even if some beautifully written pieces don't get spotlighted on the home page. Maybe something each day from a different section on rotation, like Art, Science, History, Cricket, People, Dreadnought class battle ships, Music, Biology, Environment, Cricket, etc., Sorry, I'm having a little fun and hope you are too. :) Just my two sense. cheers Ben — Preceding unsigned comment added by Billyshiverstick (talk • contribs) 00:51, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

Bryan Gunn

According to the page Kevin Keelan won it twice - if this is correct then Gunn is not the only goalkeeper. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.254.146.132 (talk) 12:07, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

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Chink in one's armor

Goodness me, whatever next. Check article history, the SPI pushing it all over Tracy Austin, did you even know we weren't allowed to say this in front of people any more? The Rambling Man (talk) 17:18, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

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